Orange Bikes Launches Two New 29ers

Jan 29, 2017 at 16:15
by Orange Bikes  
Press Release



Orange Stage 6
Orange Stage 5

Orange Bikes is expanding its iconic range with the launch of two radical new 29er models, both aimed at more experienced riders looking for racing-winning performance.

The Stage 5 and Stage 6 are the latest in Orange’s lineup of hand-built single-pivot bikes, designed around a 29” wheel but featuring more aggressive geometry for higher speeds on more challenging terrain. In their special ‘Launch’ editions, both bikes feature Boost spacing, internal routing and high-end parts from Fox, Hope, Race Face and Shimano XT.

The Stage 5 is billed as a seriously fast, versatile trail bike and offers 140mm front and 135mm rear travel, delivered through a frame that’s long, slack and low for superb stability and great handling. Meanwhile, the Stage 6 is a race-ready Enduro bike fit for the world’s toughest courses. Suspension travel here is 160/150mm, creating a bike that’s totally unfazed at very high speeds on the roughest, steepest and longest descents. Both bikes’ super-stiff pivots are positioned to complement the latest shock technology, providing controlled suspension performance coupled with excellent pedalling efficiency.

Orange Owner, Ashley Ball, explained, “We’ve been developing our Stage bikes for a while, and now we’re totally satisfied we’ve hit the geometry sweet-spot where faster-rolling 29” wheels don’t compromise performance on the most technical trails. These bikes redefine what 29ers can do, and they suit experienced riders who want flat-out speed wherever they ride, for leaving their mates behind, ruling Strava, or winning world enduros.”






Orange Stage 6
Orange Stage 6

• Handbuilt in Britain
• 5 year frame warranty
• 29" tubeless wheelset
• Unique monocoque aluminium and custom formed tubing chassis
• Single pivot suspension for the utmost performance, efficiency and reliability
• Increased length toptube and wheelbase coupled to a shorter stem for high-speed stability
• 160mm Front/150mm rear travel
• Fox 36 Factory Kashima 160mm Boost Fork
• Fox Float X2 Factory Rear Shock
• Enduro race honed geometry
• Fox Transfer Factory Kashima 6in Dropper Seatpost
• Stage 6 Launch Edition: £5,500.00


Orange Stage 6 geo


Orange Stage 5
Orange Stage 5

• Handbuilt in Britain
• 5 year frame warranty
• 29" tubeless wheelset
• Unique monocoque aluminium and custom formed tubing chassis
• Single pivot suspension for the utmost performance, efficiency and reliability
• Increased length toptube and wheelbase coupled to a shorter stem for high-speed stability
• 140mm Front/135mm rear travel
• Fox 36 Factory Kashima 140mm Boost Fork
• Fox Float X2 Factory Rear Shock
• Enduro race honed geometry
• Fox Transfer Factory Kashima 6in Dropper Seatpost
• Stage 5 Launch Edition: £5,500.00


Orange Stage 5 geo




www.orangebikes.co.uk


290 Comments

  • + 113
 If bikes were a generation of music, this new crop of 29ers (stage6, jeffsy, enduro...) would be that damn rock and roll that parents were warning their kids not to listen to or they would become delinquents. this is so cool to see! great looking bike/numbers.
  • - 182
flag Pnwdak (Jan 29, 2017 at 17:35) (Below Threshold)
 No. Rock n roll is way too cool to compare to 29ers. A fair comparison for 29ers would be nails on a chalk board or radio pop country
  • + 69
 @Pnwdak: sorry dude, 29ers are f*cking sick
  • + 14
 @Pnwdak: tell that to the evil uprising. yah mook.
  • - 98
flag Pnwdak (Jan 29, 2017 at 17:50) (Below Threshold)
 @kleinblake: you wouldn't have to apologize if they were actually "sick"
  • + 89
 @Pnwdak: have fun living your life in 2002.
  • - 1
 Nope 29ers would be status fucking quo or the Fleetwood mack
  • + 20
 I really can't believe these silly arguments persist. I disliked 29ers when they first came out. But I disliked getting dropped by my mates even more.
  • + 11
 Long travel may be a gay metal band but it's still metal. Slayeeeeeeeeer!!!!!
  • - 3
 @WAKIdesigns: ooops you're risking a discussion on "gay" here ;-)
  • - 23
flag torero (Jan 30, 2017 at 6:36) (Below Threshold)
 29" is trash, always.
  • - 3
 @vhdh666: Long travel 29ers are like a metal band, may even be a gay metal band called "The Forces of Gomora" or "The Scissoring". But it's still good! So good! "They brought true meaning to people: So much aggression, So much pleasure, So much hatered, so much blood, so many tears, so much wisdom. It's awesome. It's pretty serious." These bikes brought it.
  • + 5
 At what point does gay metal become
jock-rock/butt-rock? And vice versa?
I don't really see the need to discuss 29ers.
That's been done.
Don't see the need to discuss Orange bikes.
You either like them or you don't. They'll always have a place to be loved and hated.
Ok, so I lean towards the harder metal myself.
Pantera, Slayer, Lamb of God, etc.
But I can appreciate all types of music.
I secretly have some metal ballad compilation in my iTunes. Saigon Kick? WTF?
Would definitely laugh at someone for playing it but don't feel the need to turn it off when it comes on.
Gay metal at its finest.
Now the Nickelbacks and Three Doors Downs of the world I can't get.
Butt-rock at its worst.
So I guess I agree with Waki in saying that even gay metal is metal. And even 29ers are mountain bikes, even if a little gay.
I'll know better after I build my new 29er.
  • + 1
 ..
  • + 3
 @kubaner: holy f&ck that was funny.
  • + 2
 @vhdh666: Oops! WAKIde it again.
  • + 2
 @kubaner: let me give you a soundtrack from my first ride on E-bike, perhaps it will suit you too: "...do you know what it's like, when it's wrong, but it feels alright!, nothing on this trail will stop us today, it can do what she can do so much better..."
  • - 2
 None of you know anything about metal. Stay focused on bikes and leave metal out of this!
  • + 7
 @migkab: are you raining blood today?
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: the weather's fine here south of heaven
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: See how I am right? The album is "Reign in Blood"! :-P
  • + 2
 @migkab:
Ok Metal master. Who is this?
efukt.com/2431_Death_m-etal_Porn.html
  • + 1
 @kubaner: Hi :-D. I don't like to click links, can't you point me in another direction? I would be happy to try to figure it out :-D
  • + 2
 @migkab:
Give me your address and I'll mail it to you on a zip drive
  • - 1
 @Pnwdak: dumbest comment so far for 2017
  • + 4
 @bohns1: bruhh I can't take you seriously with your profile picture. You look like a knock off Morpheus.
  • + 2
 @Pnwdak: which is a far cry better than any of yours!
  • + 0
 @Pnwdak: BRUHH and I def can't take u seriously riding a bottlerocket..haha
  • - 1
 @bohns1: crank bro iodine rims???? Lololololololol you can't be serious. come on bruhhh. Please explain that to me bruh. What was your thought process on those rims? Like what goes through ones mind before buying that wheelset. How did you ever think that was a good idea? I need answers
  • + 0
 @Pnwdak: well here ya go! I haven't updated my profile since 2011 BRUHH!LOL ..I don't have any of that equipment now..My thought process at the time was hey that I had other rider buddies who got them with the updated freehub assembly and had zero issues..Never had one problem with them the entire time I had them..

Now fast forward to 2017! I'm on a 2016 trek fuel ex 9.9 build, with NOx carbon 35mm Am wheelset and the thing rips! But u no what .Id still ride the crankbros on a better frame over a bottlerocket period...Lol
  • + 0
 @bohns1: Why does the bottlerocket get you so upset? Lol I don't think you can come up with much against a BR. But that crankbro wheelset? Give me a break lol.
  • - 1
 @Pnwdak: I guess one could say the same as to why the iodine's got u mad ..They served there purpose and that was 6 years ago bro..

As for the bottlerocket hmm I'll start with its heavy ,welds look shawdy ..It's single pivot and paint chips easily..Just not something I'd ride ..Oh and it's not a 29..ha
  • + 47
 Asking a legitimate question here...

What do so many of you find appealing about these bikes? Compared to other bikes (which I'm assuming are much more highly-engineered), how can a single-pivot linkage compete with a more "modern" linkage? Especially in terms of brake jack and pedal bob?

Once again, I'm not bashing the bike. Just wondering why such a low-end frame is outfitted with such high-end components.
  • + 24
 What's low end about it?
  • + 47
 @nozes: he probably meant low-tech

To some people (not me) an alloy single pivot frame = low-end.

Although if it aint broke..
  • + 31
 I feel the same way, however I think the appeal is low weight for an alloy frame, lower maintenance, and an industrial aesthetic that appeal to a certain demographic of mountain bikers. There is also a "made in UK" story there too.
  • + 15
 I came here to ask this very question. I've wondered why they keep going with them, especially with the Horst link patent being now expired and everyone using some variation of it. I have to wonder if the popularity of these single pivot designs in the UK is due to their weather. Fewer bearings to break, replace, or monitor with all the water and mud. Then again, maintaining something like VPP isn't that difficult.
  • + 72
 Nothing about Orange is low-end,not even the looks. It's handmade,metal,industrial looking,race winning,time lasting,shitty weather enduring,zero fks giving machines. Now with 29" wheels.
  • + 13
 I understand your question but you also see complicated designs trying to get the axle path of a single high pivot. Then some manufactures claim that their rising/falling rate is engineered and dialed in but they have to go with a custom damped shock.
  • - 12
flag PhillipJ (Jan 29, 2017 at 18:18) (Below Threshold)
 Brake jack doesn't exist.



Brake *squat* isn't necessarily negative. Basically all bikes, even multi-link bikes, have some squat designed in so the front and rear both compress a bit when you're on the brakes. If your frame has lots of brake squat you just have to choose your braking points a bit smarter.



Pedal bob is a bizarre thing to care about unless you're racing XC. Who cares if your rear bounces a bit going up hill as long as it is stupid fun going down?
  • + 9
 If you take all parameters that make a full suspension mountainbike into account, you will see theres much to love about this simple design. Very constant antisquat makes for a very predictable reaction to pedal input...even antirise has its benefits when it comes to riding extremely steep terrain as it helps the bike to preserve its geometry.
I recently switched from a KS-Link bike to an orange and it suits my style better and is still more than capable enough to plow through serious stuff (which is usually not the most demanding part)
  • + 4
 One of the pros about this design is that the rear end (/suspension) stiffens up when you pedal, since the pivot point is above the top of your chain ring.
  • + 29
 @dugglesthemuddled: Orange bikes are many things, but lightweight and race winning aren't 2 of them. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
  • + 2
 I agree, what is rad about these bikes are the build, I would prefer many different frames to those ones... They check every component box for me.
  • + 1
 @Adodero: Amen
  • + 1
 @IllestT: No, I agree. Only lighter than they would be if they the same bike with some extra linkages. You can go lighter in many other ways.
  • + 14
 Just because the suspension design is simple doesn't mean it performs poorly. Orange have essentially used the same system for 15-plus years and in that time (according to many reviewers) they really honed their craft and produced bikes that ride really well in-spite of, or perhaps because of, their simple, single pivot design.
  • + 26
 greg minnar won world champs his first time on orange. steve peat won world cups on orange too!
  • + 2
 @IllestT: I was thinking exactly the same thing lol
  • + 3
 I'm guessing you haven't ridden one? All Ines have some down sides such as hundreds of mud sucking bearings and linkages, these bikes are great fun to ride and they're fast.
  • + 32
 @IllestT: I guess you should check out oranges race history. The orange global team completely dominated the WC with Greg minnaar on the 222 then you had Peaty winning god knows how many wc races and titles on a 223 and 224. Brendan Fairclough,Marc beaumont and brycland all won and raced on orange. There was still multi pivot bikes about, the horst link was around ,sundays had the dw link,santa cruz had the vvp etc. The only reason these riders left the brand was due to the money they could earn elsewhere. So stop talking crap about single pivots. The design is more than capable even more so with latest rear shocks. I must admit i do notice you need to have a decent amount skill and understanding to get the best from them. If you just plow through stuff and hack your way down then yes the bike will tell you how shit you really are lol.
  • + 2
 @Hank-Riffee - it's a matter of acquired taste. I believe it's one few possible legitimate answers Wink They do have some nice riding qualities though. Very agile bouncy ride. If you are into it.

Wink
  • - 4
flag powderturns (Jan 30, 2017 at 0:47) (Below Threshold)
 this bike looks like the santa cruz super-8... but (some) people have a hard-on for Orange bikes...
can you imagine the hate Norco would get if they released a bike that looked like this?
  • + 9
 There's absolutely nothing low end about these bikes. One they look way better in real life but more importantly they are awesome bikes... I'd really suggest riding one because they are as fast a fucts.
  • + 11
 @powderturns: Disclaimer: I would never buy an Orange unless I ad 10 other bikes. I've seen some S8s in person and trust me it doesn't look like a S8. This weekend I rode with my friend who has a latest Five in that Yeti Celeste blueish cyano-green and it's rather eye pleasing when you see it. And there were some sexy bikes on that ride. Another guy I know has an older Five in chrome, also very eye catching. Defo nicer than a Canyon, or some generic plastic frame looking like a session. I saw some of the latest Intense trail bikes lately and it looks like absolute sht from sweat shop catalogue, with paint job designed by a intern. It was so ugly I didn't even bother to check the model. Talking about Session, the latest Remedy alu 9 in red is the most mouth watering bike I saw in a long time.
  • + 0
 @mikelee: Yeah I'm well aware of their history. What have they won in the last 10 years though?
  • + 11
 To put it another way, why do you need a million linkages? True that certain characteristics can be tuned but the majority of the answer is "marketing". The replies here show that exactly. Suspension characteristics are about finding a balance and there is no one best solution. If you drag your brakes through the rough stuff or pedal seated power mincing around a trail centre then a single pivot won't feel best for you. On the flip side, you get a more intuitive and interactive ride. I really liked the little things like a quick tap of the rear brake to dive the front in to a corner for example before transferring weight back and popping out. A lot of more neutral bikes lack a connection to the rider so it depends what you like.... and I know people never believe it but UK mud is like no other Wink Smile
  • + 11
 @IllestT: the hearts of their owners
  • + 11
 @IllestT: Stick Gwin or Rude on an Orange and I don't doubt they would win some races
  • + 15
 Half the comments on here prove the marketing is working. Single pivot bikes are awesome. Multi pivot bikes are also awesome. If you think single pivot is categorically less advanced and performs worse than multi pivot then you are mistaken - this information is easy to find. I really like sp bikes, probably more than mp bikes in general. Partly because of the lower maintenance. These bikes look like they would shred.
  • + 6
 Try one dude, i have rode orange for years they are the ultimate reliable ride which is as fun as it gets.
You get a 5 year warranty on the frame and the customer service is second to none. I change the frame bearings myself every year for $30 and i ride twice a week all year round in the peak and lake districts in the uk.

The orange 5 bike which is the 'do it all' bike won bike of the year in the UK for 5 years running.

Lots of people get hung up on the single pivot saying its simple and low tech. but highly engineered doesn't mean a good bike. F1 cars are highly engineered but they are rubbish for nipping down the shops in lol

All i say to them is ride one and you will get it.
  • + 0
 @nozes: low end as basic frame build very little r&d does not match its top end pricing, consider your in carbon race bike pricing Slash enduro29 sb5.5 Hightower
  • - 2
 @enduroFactory: non of those bikes are as good as an alpine 6.
  • + 8
 Brake jack and pedal bob are massively over stated. Modern shocks more or less killed pedal bounce stone dead. As for brake jack, way back in the days of V Brakes it was a real problem, having the suspension just lock out completely when the brakes grabbed the wheel rim. Disc brakes solved a lot of that and the steady movement of the pivot towards a more neutral point made it even less and less noticeable. It still exists, but most won't notice it in use. . If you ever get the chance to ride one do so, it will give you an insight into how much BS companies sprout about their patented linkages.
  • + 8
 I would buy one of these simply because it is simple. I love my Enduro but 14 bearings in the rear suspension??? Its not 7 x better than an Orange with 2 bearings is it?
  • - 1
 @catweasel: if Graves can win on Butchers GRID with people on Maxxis 3C rubber then he can win on Orange no doubts. Even with Monarch instead of Öhlins
  • + 5
 @Fix-the-Spade: I covered Brake Jack, Pedal Bob and other mythical creatures with certain archetypal characteristics under one of my articles. Brake Jack tends to haunt people in places where they shouldn't be braking in the first place, however it may be unavoidable on Brakebump Mountain... the demon braces against your rocker link and shouts in southern accent Can't quit'ya, Can't quit'ya! In fact the scientist examinig after life, Dr. Prof. of neuro astrology Eben Alexander coined a term Brake Joey in his fantastic book The proof of Heaven. So perhaps we should be using term Brake Joey instead of Brake Jack if we were to be more precise... especially since Joeys tend to be very sensitive as they suffer from post Sworks-purchase rationalization syndrome.

www.pinkbike.com/u/WAKIdesigns/blog/waki-leaks-installment-8-mental-side-of-mtb.html
  • + 2
 @enduroFactory: I don't know what your into but if your going to be poncing around a trail centre on a Sunday get one of those bikes but for banging out runs on serious trails three times a week the alpine is up there as one of the best.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Sorry Waki I'm not nearly high enough for this right now.
  • + 2
 Have a watch of this video Strive (Horst) vs Alpine 160 (single pivot)

youtu.be/fCfoAbxnyMA
  • + 8
 No matter how much you polish a turd its still a turd, not saying oranges are turds, they're not (i actually really like them) but single pivot without a linkage is a flawed design, when it comes to suspension feel you really are limited by its nature as a linkage is what allows you to modify the leverage curve, it means you can have it nice and supple in the beginning and ramp up nicely where needed however with an orange you're stuck with a relatively straight leverage curve so you can have it supple but it will bottom out easily or you can have it resist bottom out but it will be harsh on small bumps or have a high break away force at the start.

What has really helped orange bikes feel a lot better is not honing the design (this does help a bit tho) but shock development with such things as evol air can and volume spaces means you can use the shock to compensate for the lack of linkage and tune it to suit your needs and desired feel.
Brake jack is still an issue tho and unfortunately having ridden oranges and bike with anti brake jack designs, it really does make a difference to the rear end.
  • + 2
 @maglor: what a load of rubbish. Do you think orange aren't capable of building a link activated single pivot or a four bar system? They do it this way for a reason and that's why there bikes are so good. Hell there's nothing stopping them contacting the same factor in China and getting there frames from the exact same place as specialzed and trek do.
  • + 2
 Pedal Bob and "Brake Jack" are very close to being gone. this is 1999 where the pivot was half way to the head tube. I haven't ridden anew Orange but other SP bikes and they feel very good. Lively and very easy to set up suspension wise and in theory lower weight and maintenance.
  • + 1
 @nozes: Race winning? It's been a while tbh. Tracey Hannah? Joe Barnes when he wasn't banned?
  • + 0
 @robway: in about 1972.
  • + 18
 If you look at the kinematic analysis of these recent Orange frames, you'll see that they're little different in their suspension behaviour from the Yeti Switch Infinity designs, despite the latter having an upper linkage and a sliding lower pivot. The only benefit the Switch Infinity gives is lower pedal kickback deeper into the travel - otherwise the brake squat (not jack) is comparable, as is the pedal anti-squat (apart from deep in the travel) as is the leverage curve. And that's one of the most complicated designs on the market.

There are two clear downsides of single-pivot frames:

1. It's harder to get enough stiffness without adding a load of weight - but 1x helps with that (wider pivots) as does Boost (wider pivots).

2. You have less marketing ammunition because every company using a more complex suspension design tells the buying public that single-pivot is a bad idea.

(I don't own an Orange, I own a short-link 4-bar or virtual pivot bike. But I like facts and truth...)
  • + 2
 I think the answer to your question is 'brand.' People like the Orange brand, especially in Britain.

@RLEnglish: What bikes have a similar axle path to that of a single pivot except other single pivots? Many designs lengthen the chainstay to stretch the chain and prevent the damper from moving. If the bike anti-squats when pedaling then your rear suspension is still moving and the damper still consuming energy. There's nothing special about a damper rebounding instead of compressing from an energy loss standpoint.
  • + 3
 @WaterBear: If anti-squat is well configured then the damper neither extends nor compresses, as the pedal squat is balanced by the chain and drive anti-squat.

There is very little variation in axle path between all the designs out there, the exception being high single-pivots which need an idler to reduce kickback.
  • + 4
 @IllestT: @IllestT: Not heavy weight either my five is 28lbs, my mates segment is 27 and his wifes 4 around 25lbs which is lighter than some of my friends carbon bike. Orange ikes have come a long way and many people are miss-informed my the weight of older models.
  • + 1
 @headshot: Yep, i get the top bearing fitted for £30!
  • + 5
 Singlepivot bikes can have good anti-squats (good pedaling efficiency). In the case of Orange Alpine 2015 for instance it has good anti-squats (around 120%). These new STAGE models have too much anti-squat since the pivot is located in a much higher spot than the chain line...these is not good, since too much anti-squats causes excessive pedal kickback and also causes pedal bob due to shock extension! But, if we forget this for now, the "problem" of any single pivot bikes is the leverage ratio. The most you can get from a design like this is a very slightly progressive bike. While this is OK for XC/Trail applications, it's not enougth for more aggresive riders or for EN/DH applications. Even if you put full spacers on an air shocks you will end up with a similar result to an average enduro bike without any spacer. So bottom-outs can be an issue with single pivot desings. You can see more info about these topics here: www.youtube.com/andrextr
  • + 2
 @Northwind: joe Barnes was banned?
  • + 1
 @IllestT: That's because they don't have the riders on their teams. Like I said,money talks and they're only a small company and can't compete with yt,specialized,giant etc. They now promote young talent and help people up the ladder.
  • + 1
 An Orange frame may be single pivot, but they have refined pivot placements for progressivity and small bump sensitivity. Plus, the frames are f*cking bomb proof (I've had 4 and all the frames are still in perfect condition) AND the frame come with 5-year warranty. The single pivot is very low maintenance. The single pivot may have bad brake jack but it makes the bike feel very poppy and fun (good for pumping), a horst like for example feels sluggish unless rattling through the roughest terrain. Also, the bikes look banging.
  • + 0
 @threehats: For certain designs, as the suspension moves, the chain is stretched - this resists further movement of the suspension. At least this is how I understand this particular design concept. (Note that single pivot designs cannot do this at all since the length of chain from rear sprocket to front chainring is fixed).

AFAIK anti-squat just refers to the suspension de-compressing under pedal stroke as opposed to compressing. "Normal" designs are such that when you pedal, the rear shock initially compresses (and then must rebound). An anti-squatting design first rebounds (and then must compress).

Edit: One last point. To put this all together, what I am saying is that for a single pivot design there is no force to oppose the anti-squat motion, at least not coming from the chain. The torque generated by pedalling is the only one present, and it will act to move the rear damper one way or the other.

I could be misunderstanding all these ideas - I'm not expert, I just read stuff online.

There should be variation in axle path compared to a single pivot by any design for which there is a linkage on the chainstay. Based on my understanding I could write an article on axle path, but as I said, I could just be blowing smoke.
  • + 1
 it kinda looks like a old spesh big hit
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: ".. especially since Joeys tend to be very sensitive as they suffer from post Sworks-purchase rationalization syndrome" They are called Sloppy Joes then , right?
  • + 1
 @matthasard: The last point is very subjective... Other think irs theugliest piece of alu out there ????
  • + 0
 @themountain: post sworks purchase rationalisation syndrome... haha too true.
  • + 1
 @maglor: not true, leverage curves can be manipulated simply by tweaking the angle of the shock. intricate linkages are not needed.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I'm with you. I owned an old bullitt, and it was a surprisingly capable and fun downhilling bike. It wasn't great to pedal, but I'd like to try one with a modern shock. If I were looking for a budget bike, I'd still consider a single pivot if the price were right. As for it's appearance, the Five (shown above) has that large height (depth?) swingarm that reminds me of the old plate steel (I think) super 8 swingers, and the pivot location is similar - but yeah, it's not a dead ringer...
  • + 6
 @b45her: Sorry, but that's not quite true. In fact you can manipulate the leverage curve on a single pivot by changing the shock angle but you don't have much room to play with. It's not possible or it is not easy to get a progressive or very progressive leverage curve on a single-pivot bike. The best you can get in most cases is a slightly progressive design. You need a more complex design to truly and easily tune the leverage ratio shape.
  • + 1
 @andrextr: yes but when we talk about progression this is what air spring is for Smile
@powderturns - trust me, it looks rather fine out on the trail, I've seen worse. Like a pink Bronson with blue stickers Smile I can probably ask my friend to let me try it! I masturbated the hell out of Strava segment on my own bike and it happens that the track lies very close to his house so maybe I could check it with the clock. I will figure out some good time measuring device.
  • + 1
 @IllestT: John Owen won the strider round of the bes this year
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: You beat me to that waki.
  • + 2
 @IllestT: what does it matter,the design has beaten all other designs that are currently being used! Multi link bikes are not as nessesary now due to the huge improvement in rear shocks. Pedal bob is non existent with a climb switch and as for the legendary brake jack,well the only time you notice any sort of oddity is when you're braking at the wrong point!. Like I said the design definitely suits more skilled riders. I can totally agree people who don't understand how to ride a bike fast without just smashing through stuff,braking in corners etc. Then yes you'll not enjoy these bikes. Peaty has said that the 224 was the fastest bike he ever rode. Until you have developed the skills to really utilise its strengths then it won't feel that great. But get your braking points dialled and it's as fast as anything else. The design improves you as a rider and suffers no fools. If you're getting brake jack then you know you're doing something wrong.
  • + 1
 @mikelee: The point is that most of us do something wrong at least few times each ride. All you say is true, except that you cannot assume that you will do a perfect run on any track, any day, no matter conditions etc. When you hit the same trails again and again, yeah, most probably you exactly know when you should brake. Bikes with little brake jack make you lazy, that's true, but they also give you a bit more freedom. Most people rides bike just to relax. As such, for majority of riders, single pivots are simply not practical.
  • - 1
 @lkubica: despite the fact most bikes are single pivots besides I've always quite liked a bit of brake jack. The shock fires you out of corners when you let of the brakes.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: I have it on my radar that I heard it somewhere recently... Big Grin That may be true given you are a master of braking that can do a bit of trail braking too, that is you still hold the front brake applied while you initiate the turn. My VPPish bike fires me out of corners because I have too soft spring. Often earlier than I would like too... like this bullcrap of bike being poppy - want a poppy bike - put more lsc and less rebound damping.

All I mean is, there is no point to overthink it. Point remaining single pivots have their flavor and they are not much worse than complicated designs, especially given the progress in air shocks. At least not within the limited skill level of Pinkbike mortals. Hence it's about FLAVOR... ekhem... FLAVOUR
  • + 1
 Never would have guessed there are so many single pivot advocats around...
Rode my 2013 Patriot today and just had blast in the slickest conditions all year, the longest 2wheel drifts i´ve ever done and bouncing and popping from berm to berm. I am just amazed how an 180mm bike can be more rewarding to ride in an active manner, than the 140/160 trail bike i had before
  • + 1
 @andrextr: check GGDH for a progressive single pivot. It's possible!
  • + 2
 @lkubica: the point I'm making is brake jack is not an issue with new placed pivots on modern bikes. There are loads of single pivot bikes but because the orange is so obvious everyone says the same uneducated rubbish. I've ridden bikes since I was 12 I'm now 39. I was lucky enough to be sponsored to race dh for Scott uk many years back so I consider myself quite experienced with most frame designs as Scott changed them a lot! Once I stopped competing I rode so many bikes from vvp to dw link(I think the Sunday was the best bike tbh) but now I just want a everyday ride. With all my experience I chose an orange 5. Set up mostly for descending. I never have brake jack. It's just not an issue. But then I very rarely lock the rear wheel. I love how fast it is out of turns how light it is and how easy it is to clean and maintain. It blows me away how capable it is. It suits me but we're all different. But trust me,it won't be the bike holding anyone back.
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: what do you ride dude?
  • + 1
 @mikelee: Sorry, but physics is against you. Single pivot will have brake jack no matter where you place pivots (and how many). You can tune anti squat and leverage ratio, but brake jack is high in every single pivot. Maybe you simply do not notice it, because you are a very good rider. I have had only ridden a couple of bikes, and having owned a Kona from 2013 and now a horst link Knolly, the difference in suspension behaviour while braking is easily noticeable, but I am mediocre rider at best.
  • + 1
 @lkubica: I agree it's always there but with shocks and the placement it's really not an issue. It also only really happens when the wheel is locked out. If you brake without locking up(as it should be) then it's just not noticeable. It's more braking skills than riding skills. Like I said you will become a better rider on any bike using this philosophy of how to brake.
  • + 1
 Jesus down voted for asking what bike someone rode when they said they rode a vpp style frame. Pink bikes gone nuts.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: Jesus downvoted you for being inquisitive. Big Grin I have Antidote Carbon Jack but it is irrelevenat. What I meant was that the coil spring in the rear is too soft for what I run at the front so the bike is very keen on sagging in and understeering. I already got a harder SAR spring, installing next week.

Here's my trophy wife
www.pinkbike.com/photo/13823755

Cheers!
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: He could win on 26" and thats the last time he did no?
  • + 2
 @thenotoriousmic: i never said they aren't capable, they are and they have made linkage bikes in the past (the Blood) i'm just saying their decision to stick with single pivot is for simplicity and durability, plus it sets them apart from the crowd but these have the trade off that performance is naturally limited by the design. its their choice as with any design you have to choose trade offs vs benefits, just in my eyes performance should be at a higher priority.
  • + 1
 @b45her: You're right but all the effects is the angle of a curve and its starting point, you need a linkage to flatten out or ramp up that curve at a faster or slower rate in certain areas are desired.
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I'm not the biggest fan of plastic bike but those antidotes are super nice. The downhill bike they do is so sexy.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: I think rather little of plastic myself. But Anti and Unno get my full approval.
  • + 29
 Very "a-peel-ing"
  • + 16
 Orange you glad no one is making fruit jokes
  • + 12
 i love this bike from my head tomatoes
  • + 3
 Sure I saw some orange peel in the paintwork
  • - 3
 @headshot: it's a hell of lot of comment clockwork
  • + 14
 The Stage 5 is pretty fucking badass looking. From the pictures i have seen, Orange do some beautiful welding, and their frames really seem to stand out from all the other makes. No one would confuse it for a Trek.
  • + 6
 Orange welding is shit, I've got an Alpine that cracked across the welds due to bodged welding and they straight up denied it being their fault, the attachment points for the brake hose is too far back on the swingarm and the hose rubbed nearly right through the welds, a friend of mine had Gyro and the cable routing went under the shock, he took the rear shock off 2 months after he got it to give it a clean under there and the cables had rubbed through the powder coat and DEEP into the alloy, again not their fault. Orange bikes are an awesome design when it comes to how they feel and ride but their build quality is dire, all the Oranges that I've seen that have been ridden like they should had cracked within the first two years somewhere around the rear arm.
  • + 2
 @ElGatoGales: got to agree,some of the welding is appalling.suprised there allowed through quality control never mind to the painting stage.
  • + 1
 True, but I would still take the Trek. You really have to like the 'odd' look of this bike to pick it over a new Slash.
  • + 13
 Is it me or do others find that Orange frame designs all look 10 years old?
  • + 15
 That's because their design is 10 years old. Or 20.
  • + 3
 @ldhbaker: doesn't make them bad designs, though. They're still wicked bikes!
  • + 2
 @ldhbaker: it isn't ten years old is it though? More like 6 months old as orange is one of the few companies that are constantly updating and tweaking frames.
  • + 1
 I always enjoy new releases from orange bikes because of exactly that. its like a nice visual trip down memory lane, starring a stubborn bike designer and featuring a host of patriotic bike riders who reminisce about how cool their dads orange was, and some kind of bohemian reference to being in the know- bike wise. I kid, I kid, the battleship grey is cool though, like a subtle reference to the bike weight bitd. kidding again.
  • + 14
 My bike is my therapist.
  • + 1
 Boom best comment i have seen inna long time
  • + 13
 Looking forward to the frame only option.
  • + 11
 The only way to buy a bike
  • + 1
 @properp: If you're f*cking rich, maybe.
  • + 4
 @src248: every build I have ever done has always cost less than off the shelf stock. I cherry pick my parts. Get what I want. Save money. I end up with a better bike.
Rich has nothing to do with it. Getting deals and having skill set to build it is everything. Obviously you know nothing about this.
  • + 1
 @src248: maybe if you can use more cuss words people will really think you know what you're talking about
  • + 1
 @src248: 5500 British pounds is over $9000 Canadian. That's richy rich.
  • + 8
 Its funny that just a few years ago the people were predicting that 29ers would slowly phase out and 650b would become the new standard for everything but XC. Now, if anything, it seems that 29ers are slowly taking over. However I hope that in the long run both wheel sizes stick around.
  • + 10
 Both? You mean 24 and 26?
  • + 0
 Yea I don't totally get this. Is lateral wheel strength a real consideration or not? If we taco'd wheels with any real frequency then you'd ditch 29ers in a heartbeat, but it seems like only DJers on sufficiently large jumps actually do this, ditto with certain higher level downhillers. Are there any gains by using smaller diameter wheels against other kinds of damage and deformation to the rim?

If wheel strength isn't the concern we make it out to be, then I see no reason not to have the biggest darn wheel you can. As I recommend to new riders: Get the largest wheel you can that will be strong enough to survive your application. DJ goes 20" because they have to; If you don't have to, then go 99" for all I care.
  • + 12
 Stage 6 Should have been the Stage 69er.
  • + 0
 What is the speed limit of sex?
It is 68.
When you hit 69 you must turn around!
  • + 10
 Thankful that Orange is in the industry, trying not to look like every other damn bike out there.
  • + 7
 Have you heard of Knolly?
  • + 6
 Stickin it for the small guys! Brands like Orange, Knolly and Guerilla Gravity (to name a few off the top of my head) are good to see. Also there tends to be some really nice innovation coming from the smaller guys
  • + 2
 Not that they're all that small but they are small compared to the big guys like Specialized
  • + 1
 But they do look a lot like my 1998 Super8, and those things didn't ride so good. That's why Santa Cruz spent the money for the VPP patent from Outland. I would love to ride one of these to see what a "modern" single pivot is like.
  • + 6
 Idk is it me?? I keep looking at Orange bikes and thinking they look awesome! I ride an old single pivot bike everyday. Maintenance is cheap. I go through the same rocky, PA gnar as everybody else I ride with on their brand new Transitions, Remedys etc, got one guy who rides a Krampus for eff's sake and he ploughs through it all too. There's a brand new Bronson sitting in my garage as well that belongs to my wife that I can ride anytime. I keep grabbing the old SP Cannondale though. It's nimble as all hell. So... I think these Orange bikes are rad. I'd love to try one out.
  • + 3
 agree single pivots are fab! it's all about the shock placement though, i have ridden many different designs but nothing compares to a single pivot cannondale built before 2007/8 by hand.
  • + 8
 If these bikes were Ellsworths..you'd see a lot of hate about them looking dated. Not sure why Orange gets a free pass...
  • + 4
 They dont... they're dated
  • + 10
 Nobody cares about a '70s Suzuki, but everyone loves a '70 Porsche.
  • + 4
 In other words Orange is a part of my history. And everyone loves being remembered of good old times. These bikes still got that retro vibe only now have a modern geo. Next to that single pivot is not as bad as some people think it is. If you're a weekend warrior who lives in a rainy country and don't care about being 0,2 seconds faster, a single pivot Orange makes sense because it's low maintenance, strong and reliable. Also the suspenion stiffens up when pedaling so it is efficient for climbing. Not everything is about racing.
  • + 4
 *my history = mtb history, stupid autocorrect.
  • + 4
 Ellsworth are flogging a dead horse... single pivots like oranges are most certainly not a dead horse... there's a reason these bike haven't changed much, and it's an engineering reason, not Orange stubbornly sticking to their guns.
  • + 3
 @identiti124: Orange sticks to their single pivots and their way of doing single pivots because that's what makes the company and the product stick out from the crowd. That's what they are also very good at. Definitely not because there is some superiority inherent to the design. Smile
  • + 8
 They look like one of the best bikes ever. The Santa Cruz Heckler. RIP!
  • + 2
 Hecklers a better ride,check out the back to back reviews over the years,heckler comes out on top.Cheaper and better customer service from Santa Cruz aswell.
  • + 2
 @jase111171: where's the review?
  • + 1
 I was gonna say the same thing. Rode Hecklers for many years, a 29er version would have crushed. I love the single pivot simplicity. Interesting that they axed that design right after PON bought them. It makes sense in a marketing way, in that having a cheaper suspensions design alongside VPP would always seem "cheap" and inferior even though it worked awesome. Getting rid of Heckler lets SC focus on being a high end brand only. I will say that the brake jack phenomenon was significant in certain scenarios. I miss my Heckler. Bulletproof, great in shit conditions, no maintenance. Pedaled great.
  • + 1
 @El-Train: it's be surprising if you don't see the Heckler making a return at some point. It was their longest running model and had been available for something like 20 years in varying forms.

That said, according to the shops I spoke with, Hecklers just didn't sell very well. It'd be a bad business decision to have such a wide lineup and my guess is they couldn't justify the cost of keeping it around. Their alloy bikes now are considerably less expensive than they were a few years ago, too.
  • + 8
 29ers are like shagging fat chicks, It's fun until your mates find out.
  • + 1
 quote of the week right there!!!
  • + 5
 interesting that a UK brand chose to film the launch video in NZ, guess no one wants to watch someone pedalling around in freezing slop in the middle of winter haha! the riding 'almost' made up for the rest of the video
  • + 2
 Follow this guy on instagram and it looks like he's moved to nz for the winter... what a pussy. Wink
  • + 8
 No bottle cage mounts ! Why?
  • + 5
 And tell me why you'd take this over a Yeti at the same price?

IMO Orange pricing is a bit steep in this market, £5500 is a lot of money for an Alloy bike
  • + 1
 A glance at your pics shows you own one mate. Care to explain?
  • + 3
 @waterbear - unfortunately both paragraphs I've quoted are incorrect:

"For certain designs, as the suspension moves, the chain is stretched - this resists further movement of the suspension. At least this is how I understand this particular design concept. (Note that single pivot designs cannot do this at all since the length of chain from rear sprocket to front chainring is fixed).

AFAIK anti-squat just refers to the suspension de-compressing under pedal stroke as opposed to compressing. "Normal" designs are such that when you pedal, the rear shock initially compresses (and then must rebound). An anti-squatting design first rebounds (and then must compress)."

Single-pivot bikes achieve anti-squat through chain growth when the pivot is not concentric with the bottom bracket. The chain length is only fixed with concentric BB pivots, any other pivot position causes changes in chain length through the travel.

A design with 100% anti-squat does not bob because the forces are balanced. The suspension only extends under pedalling if the anti-squat is well over 100%.
  • + 1
 Ah, yes, you are correct. Had my head in the dirt there.
  • + 3
 Last year I made the leap from a 26" 150/160mm all mountain bike( TITUS EL GUAPO)to a 29" 140mm trail bike(YT JEFFSY) and I am more than happy with it. I have beaten all my starva segments, both up and down hill and that includes the steel city dh track.
29ers are the way forward. And this orange looks fecking ace.
  • + 2
 True comments .My alpine 5 blew all my 26" five times away not by seconds but minutes in some cases
  • + 7
 Looks like a Cannondale Gemini. zing.
  • + 7
 Need more dealers in USA and Canada.
  • + 1
 Aventuron.com They are the only importer to the USA. They sell direct or have a dealer network scattered around the US.
  • + 1
 @oldschool43: I've seen them linked on the Orange website. I've followed Orange Bikes for a long time and would love to see them become bigger.
  • + 2
 @jmac1234: I have been checking them out too. With so many good frames out there, it's a tough choice. I had a SC Bullet back in the day and loved it. With a single pivot and no links, I think the lack of moving parts might win. Also the 1x got rid of some of the pedaling movement the Bullet had in the old days. Made in England is cool too. I have yet to see one in person, but Aventuron aren't far from me and they do have displays at local events. Maybe one day.
  • + 7
 450 mil 29er chainstays are sooooo 5 years ago.
  • + 4
 I have to know . Is it OK to skid halfway down the hill or not. Sure it's fun to skid and throw the tail out but everyone gets that on public land that it may not be the best idea. So what's up?
  • + 6
 That dude was absolutely killing it in the vid. Hope brakes rule! Nice bike too.
  • + 2
 Orange bikes to me are like mk2 Escorts it's a bit of a British icon that other struggle to understand. Although in theory they are old fashion and an old design with the latest suspension technology, geometry and gears are as fast as most of the latest designs....if you are into them then you love them.

Nothing wrong with latest bikes, most are superb. but sometimes you need to feel like you going fast to get the thrill.

BTW I have an Orange Segment so I am biased.

Escort/Orange - www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQAsUOcbtF0&t=62s
Modern Car/Bike - www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCapT61G6gI

The choice is yours
  • + 2
 After riding many different multilink frames I keep going back to Oranges, image had an alpine, five and now have an alpine 5 29, which should come with a health warning, they are stupid fast and stable, great to climb on too, I've known the stage 6 was in the making for the last 9 months and can't wait to get a leg over one BUT 5.5k that's a bitter pill to swallow.. Frame only options please Love it
  • + 6
 Good thing these are 29ers, or I would have thought this was 2001.
  • + 1
 I appreciate the simple suspension design, the fact that they are made in the UK (most of them - hardtails are outsourced I think) and I'd get used to the look if the bike is fun to ride...

...but at prices like these I'd look elsewhere. Sorry.
  • + 1
 Still a lot of negativity towards Orange Bikes, but I wonder how many of the critics have actually owned or ridden one?
I bought a new Orange Five in October 2011, loved every minute of owning and riding it and then having demoed a new Five Mk2 and a Bird Aeris in late 2015, I decided to test the water elsewhere. I sold my Five last May and bought an Aeris.
The Aeris has been great, but despite it's undoubted qualities, it isn't an Orange and I'll be back on a new Five before the spring.
They might not be the prettiest bikes out there, you do pay a premium for buying a bike that is hand built in Britain and the budget can be a stretch for top spec kit.
But, the bottom line is that Orange have refined the single pivot design to near perfection, the bikes are a piece of cake to maintain, they're great fun to ride and they just work perfectly in our 'mixed' riding conditions.
  • + 5
 Fun bikes full stop, the best rider is the one having the most fun.
  • + 4
 "Boost Hub Spacing for Precise Handling" 10 seconds later, rider hits tree...
  • + 1
 Should have just put... all UK pinkbike members... Orange launches 2 new bikes.

Because the rest of us.... well... good luck getting an Orange. They're expensive as hell to ship over here. I almost ordered one about a year ago but just shipping it was gonna be $500.

Beyond that... those look like they came out 8 years ago....
  • + 1
 we have the same problem with santa cruz, horrendously expensive and they fall to pieces when they get wet, at least mine did.
  • + 1
 Single pivot is definitely a love/hate thing. If I could afford it I would get a GG Megatrail, but I am still loving the ride on my old school single pivot Cannondale Prophet. So to each their own. Same with 29ers. They've come a long way since I first tried one and hated it. I'd be willing to give em another go with today's geometry etc. "Open minds open doors."
  • + 1
 After riding a bunch of bikes at a demo day including most sus types, the Orange 5 I rode was the only bike that felt like it picked up speed over rocks and was the most fun bike I rode that day, it was also the only bike I didn't get a rear puncture on and the only bike I got a front puncture with from an over zealous berm rail attempt which ripped the tyre from the rim. Too many people hooked on tech and marketing these days, no need to re-invent the wheel
  • + 1
 To each their own, I find these bikes to be the ugliest contraptions I've ever laid eyes upon. Single Pivot, aluminum only, are not thing I personally am interested in, and how heavy are these things? They look incredibly heavy.
  • + 1
 a LOT lighter than you would think.
  • + 3
 For 500 more you get a SlashRSL ? Is there pricing based on optimism please say this stage6 weighs under 28lb?
  • + 3
 I guess it comes down to how much are you going to spend on maintenance if you're planning to own the bike for atleast 5 years.
  • + 3
 @ugez: if your blowing 5k plus maintenance is a none starter any home mechanic can do a full bearing service for under £30 twice a year.
At 4500 you think yeah that's a fair price positioning itself below the big carbon hitters but at 5500? That's some serious competition new slash new enduro29 Hightower sb5.5c
  • + 3
 I ike the way they completely skipped the part about releasing the Alpine 6 ebike


www.pinkbike.com/photo/14361145
  • + 2
 Fuck, that's a sad day.
  • + 1
 Those single pivot frames are still fugly and being an orange, crazy overpriced. Have a look at whyte bikes if you want a reasonably priced British made bike. Frame bearings have a lifetime warranty
  • + 5
 They're gorgeous!
  • + 7
 They sure are. I don't mean to be a dick when asking this but how is Orange still in business? They use a very similar looking single pivot that has been in the industry for over 20 years. Seems like a difficult design to evolve with.
  • + 5
 @dirtworks911: not so much evolved, more refined. They're extremely popular in the UK for the pure simplicity of them
  • + 12
 @dirtworks911: cos of middle aged Audi estate driving mincers who buy them. No offence to any middle aged Audi estate driving mincers.
  • + 1
 @dirtworks911: Ride one, point it downhill and they feel like they have a motor in them, scary fast bikes that are super consistent and easy to ride, they jump really well too, no funny leverage curves. Found myself pedalling on my new bike where I used to be braking on my old orange just due to how fast it rolls, wish they had a better representation in Oz
  • + 2
 The colors and parts are. The large amount of metal near the pivot and rear triangle doesn't look too reliable. It reminds me of something your trying to fix but it never seems to hold and you just keep adding onto the weak spot and you end up with a pile of reinforcement in that one area.
  • + 3
 The rear suspension stiffen up when pedalling and the simplicity is great when you're living in a rainy country like the UK and when thr majority of your rides is through mud. It might not be the best platform out there, but when you're a UK style back country shredder (British Slice of Pie style) and purely care about having a great time and don't mind being 0,2 seconds slower on the descent, Orange Bikes make sense. Strong, reliable and low maintenance.
  • + 0
 @MuddyFoxCourierComp:
don't forget the fair weather riders as well!! don't want to risk there HOPE brakes not working due to a little bit of that moist stuff we seem to see a lot over hear!
  • + 1
 @Adamknowles: it's their! and here you retard!
  • + 4
 Quite the digger he took in that video.
  • + 2
 The evolution of the filing cabinet. All they need now is a little door in the down tube.
  • + 1
 Still riding my Orange P7, 1999, hard tail, still leave a fair amount of full sus bikes in my dust. British Steel, simple and affective.
  • + 3
 How about the video people...it was RAD !
@siencs tv......
  • + 2
 come on people it,s 2017 surely one can design a trail bike that will fit a water bottle inside the frame !!!
  • + 2
 Kudos to Pinkbike for not mentioning the Orange E-bike that showed up on the internet today
  • + 3
 Bend a tube already. We have the technology.
  • + 5
 Bending tubes is so 2016. Haven't you heard Trek released the new superb Straight Shot Downtube Technology? It's just a matter of time before they'll also invent other straight tube technologies for us (such as Straight Shot Toptube Technology) and the era of bent tubes will be over.
  • + 2
 What's new? It looks exactly the same as every other Orange I've ever seen.
  • + 2
 Looks like a pedal bobbing, brake jack-mobile.
  • + 0
 I want to love orange bikes as they do so much right, but it's like having an unattractive partner, they might f*uck great but that face Frown
  • + 1
 Why is this story highlighted in yellow "today" when it was posted day before?
  • + 1
 Anyone else sick of yeti blue\green too???? Or is it trek Rachel blue.... Or maybe sea foam green...
Over it
  • + 2
 Can I get a Stage 5 with a Stage 6 swing arm please?
  • + 1
 The prototype Stage 5 did have the same swingarm as the 6. Not sure why they decided to change it?
Maybe just to make the Stage 5 look more like a Five, And the 6 to look like an Alpine?
If you search online you can find the pictures of them.
  • + 1
 Awesome riding and video skills! I do agree that they are overly expensive bikes tho
  • + 1
 how much lol I'm sure there will be a few nice boys that will spend 5.5k on one of those.
  • + 1
 The name "Stage" is already taken by Pyga
www.pygaindustries.com/frame/stage
  • + 1
 If it weren't for the weekend warrior wheel size and single pivot design, these would be perfect!!
  • + 3
 single-pivot heaven
  • + 1
 Could be a a fun bike park rig. However I wouldn't want to use it for a trail riding.
  • + 2
 Orange? That's bluefish and gray
  • + 1
 Wonder what the weight is on those things. Solid rear triangle...makes sense.
  • + 3
 neither are orange??
  • + 1
 Strange they chose Race Face over Hope rims. Most other components are Hope.
  • + 3
 Uuugh.
  • + 3
 Nelson, NZ. Yeah boi!
  • + 3
 Looks beastly.
  • + 1
 I don't often fantasize about owning a niner, but when i do, it's an Orange Stage 6
  • + 1
 Chainstays on Orange bikes look like they weigh 5 lbs each...
  • + 1
 oooooooohhhhh that grey!!!!!!!!!!!
  • + 2
 I dont want one
  • - 3
 Does single pivot put more pressure on the shock? I rode a friends single pivot years ago and blew out the air shock. Im much heavier now so i can only imagine . i also blew out a ton of shock on fsr so not sure. But that orange 6 is a nice looking bike. i think it was called the strange 150 when it was a prototype like that better.
  • + 21
 No
  • + 2
 no, a single linkage bike using a 57mm stroke to control 150mm of travel will have the same leverage ratio as a multipivot bike using 57mm to control 150mm of travel.
  • + 0
 Let's make a crappy frame and put high end parts on it and call it good bro.
  • + 1
 Still ugly as hell. One thing Orange Bikes remain loyal to.
  • + 1
 I can feel how heavy it is through my computer screen
  • + 1
 Those bikes are fugly.....kinda dig it
  • + 1
 @orangebikes : Can we expect a frame only option for either? Love the 6!
  • + 0
 Wish there was a dealer here in North America. Would love to try one of these bikes out.
  • - 2
 jump about on a filing cabinet and you'll get the same sort of ride lol
  • + 1
 @poah: yawn
  • + 1
 you've ridden an orange then Wink
  • + 1
 @poah: one or two yes, guessing you have not ridden recent ones...of course internet warriors will say 'yeah loads' in reality they haven't....
  • - 2
 nope, but given the same layout of frame for the last 15 years the sound and ride isn't going to change much at the basic level. I don't like single pivot bikes - I've got two orange bikes sitting in the garage.
  • + 1
 @poah: two bikes painted Orange.

see that's the thing, people are quick to judge on perceived perceptions. With no real experience of how something works in practice. The latest incarnation of Orange pivot placement, with lower front end shock eyelet is fantastic. Jokes like 'filling cabinet' are so old. Modern oranges are not even particularly heavy anymore my Five is 28lbs with some robust tyres. Lighter than most of my riding buddies carbon multi-link bikes. Several of which are on their second frames. Following prolonged warranty handling.
  • + 1
 @poah: and just because something 'looks' the same doesnt mean it is the same....
  • + 1
 sound the same because the swing arm hasn't changed.

no, one is black and the other blue/black. I used to be an orange fan boy Wink
  • + 1
 @poah: clutch rear mechs have made all bikes silent. My five is absolutely silent,I'm soooo anal about noise trust me. All I hear is tyre patter. As for weight it weights 28lb dead that's with 2016 160 lyrics, ccba cs, mavic enduro wheelset. The thing is rapid. I've sold the dh bike as it's up to anything I do,up or down. Wth offset bushings slackening out to 65.5 degree ha it's a proper weapon in the right hands.
  • + 1
 Toysrus will start selling these soon.
  • + 1
 Never liked the aesthetics of Orange. A lot like Ellsworth in my mind.
  • + 1
 Holy fock--these bikes are pure speed
  • + 1
 holy shit these are ugly
  • + 1
 HTs are next
  • + 1
 No thanks
  • + 0
 That stage 5 is close to OG'ing. Junebug would approve
  • + 1
 A new color relic
  • + 0
 29 = garbage !!!
  • - 1
 I want one
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 The beginning of the end
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