iceBike* 2015 Randoms

Feb 26, 2015 at 6:14
by Paul Aston  
After yesterdays Madison/Saracen bike check, we bring you a bunch of randoms from the iceBike* show in Milton Keynes, UK.

iceBike show 2015
  That's one hell of a lot of product from a single distributor.

iceBike show 2015
  Lazer Helmets may be the only brand offering potty type helmets with a retention system? Please enlighten me in the comments if there are others.

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  I told you it was coming at the London Bike Show. 27.5"+. This prototype steel Genesis was shod with new Maxxis rubber, and feature a 15 x 110mm front and Boost 148mm rear hub.

iceBike show 2015
  DT's Tensio for checking your spoke tension. There's always plenty of comments on suspension design, damping and geometry etc. But surely your first two points of call should be tyre pressure, followed by spoke tension? How many people check these, it will affect your grip and small bump absorption before impacts even arrive at your axles.

iceBike show 2015
  OGIO may not be the most talked about brand in the MTB world, but they churn out a massive range of quality riding packs and luggage, for any size or occasion.

iceBike show 2015
  Outdoor Tech had a few interesting things at the show. This Turtle 2.0 is their smallest speaker which is impact, dust and water resistant. Bluetooth connectivity and it doubles as a powerbank for re-charging the four minute battery life of your smartphone.

iceBike show 2015
  They also make a range of headphones, power banks, and waterproof smartphone cases.

iceBike show 2015
  Nuun had a new flavour at the show which is exclusive to Madison dealers, refreshing Watermelon.

iceBike show 2015
  Bike theft seems to be rife in the UK at the moment, remember to keep it locked up.

iceBike show 2015
  Great double D's from Kryptonite.

iceBike show 2015
  Nothing new from Conti, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

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  I've never used these gloves from Mechanix, but some people swear by them for the workshop and on the bike duties.

iceBike show 2015
  World Champion Manon Carpenter was at the show, but she seemed a little quiet, must be focusing on the first race of the season.

iceBike show 2015
  This was the Ridley road bike Sam Pilgrim rode for the latest Road Bike Party 3 video.

iceBike show 2015
  This Audi was racked off.

iceBike show 2015
  Maybe one day enduro teams will have support vehicles like this?


MENTIONS: @ContinentalMTB, @Maxxis




101 Comments

  • + 20
 That Genesis prototype looks good. Smart product from Kryptonite.
  • - 13
flag georgy291 (Feb 26, 2015 at 10:44) (Below Threshold)
 looks pointless, doesn't add any more security for pretty much the same weight as a second lock
  • + 7
 @georgy291 wrong-o-tron... the point with a good U-lock procedure is to reduce the amount of excess space inside the lock to as small as possible, which makes it difficult to lock both the frame and wheel. You can do it with a great big U lock but that makes it easier to break. This idea is pretty interesting - admittedly going to be heavier but its solid thinking.
  • + 0
 Random bike shows are all the rage this year.
  • + 0
 That Double D lock is pointless. If you lock up your rear wheel within the rear triangle, you don't need a 2nd lock for the frame. The thief would have to either cut through your frame or your rim/tire to get either.
  • + 2
 Always check what type of key the d-lock uses, the round shaped ones are easy to open in seconds to a practiced thief, and worryingly there are youtube videos showing you how they do it!
  • - 4
flag ShempHoward (Feb 28, 2015 at 6:32) (Below Threshold)
 You would have to be completely out of your mind to lock any bike up anywhere
  • + 1
 Only good bike lock has interlocking steel cups.
  • + 9
 Um YES Mechanix gloves are kind of the shit!! They make some pretty durable gloves, some even have cool "armor" plates stitched or molded on the fingers! I actually hadn't heard of anyone else using them until now, I thought I was the only one! Good to know there are others out there!!
  • + 3
 Yup, 15-30 bucks here for all different kinds. I've had one pair for about 3 years now, that's 3x longer than any bike gloves I've purchased. I find the stitching is far better quality
  • + 3
 Yup, the Mechanix Wear Gloves work well, but I have SCREWED wrists (former tradesman)....so I pretty much need gel palms to be able to ride without a great amount of discomfort later.....Mechanix Wear has their M-pact glove, which has a padded palm, but for me, it was not enough, which is too bad, because they are well put together, and even have some protection on the back.
So, for now I'm using another brand of glove similar to MW, made by IRONCLAD, and they have a gel palm, so far so good ( got maybe 4-500 km of riding on them), but I expect they're going to work out alrightSmile

www.mechanix.com/m-pact-covert (covert = all black, less gaudy than some of the coloured onesSmile

ironclad.com/products/gloves/wwi-vibration-impact (this is closest I could find to what I bought, I see they also have "Tactical" stuff, which is usually all black, like MW Covert
  • + 4
 Yes the mechanix work for those who dig to ride. Anything is better than fox gloves!
  • + 0
 I've been using the Ironclads some. Not bad. Yes, better than Fox (what isn't?) but also cheaper than Mechanix. I do feel the Mechanix are a bit nicer.
  • + 3
 @shoprat: I guess it all depends on weather you need the extra padding or not, which I personally do....otherwise I would still be using the MW M-Pact CovertsSmile

Time will tell how the Ironclads hold up, last season's total was 1461km.... we'll see how they look next November!! Smile
  • - 1
 Well, i don't use gloves when i'm at the workshop, but nitrile gloves for bleeding brakes with DOT fluids are mandatory... What Mechanix gloves you can recommend me?
  • + 1
 I have found the basic mechanix gloves as low as $12 shipped. They make tire mounting and all your suspension work great. Great to ride in too but I prefer a thinner glove on my bike. You won't be disappointed if you by the cheapest ones you can find even if you just use them to rake the yard.
  • + 1
 I sweat peeling bananas. I swear by the Mechanix Vent gloves. I'm always in search for a great, breathable glove to ride in. I've found nothing better. I literally cannot not wear them.
  • + 1
 I had a pair of their thin gloves. Blew through them in 2 weeks, thumb totally worn out. Got a pair of the ultra durable ones, dead in less than a month. Useless.
  • + 0
 You crazy people "everything is better than fox" come on, stop the hate.
  • + 8
 I used to use mechanics gloves for riding. now I have gone through so many bike gloves I use old bike gloves for working.
  • + 7
 can that Jaguar go faster than Ratboy?
  • + 14
 It might go faster, but it won't survive flat landings for sure.
  • + 13
 He didn't fare the best on all his landings either this year.
  • + 2
 would love a 650b+ as there's lots of mud around me and don't really need width of a fatbike, especially when you can have a narrower 29er for XC runs and just swap out the wheels when the when the weather gets bad also they shouldn't turn up the ridgeway that badly so they may keep the warden happy.
  • + 1
 Yep, 650B+ sounds a good compromise, not the drag of a 'Full Fat' and so prob more trail friendly, though not so good sand and snow but then how often do we cycle on this stuff over here??!! Cotic have a prototype as well as Genesis if you havent seen it, both look the mutts nuts!!
  • + 2
 Photo looks like new Baron ,any ideas when the 29er version is out,need a good all round tyre ,getting fed up waiting. A date please pinkbike. or may just go with michelin, they look good ,maxxis is too bloody confusing.any ideas out there?
  • + 2
 What's confusing about Maxxis?

Specialized rubber is good. And their doing that 'tyre amnesty' thing again in March so chance to get em cheaper.
  • + 2
 The Genesis looks fantastic (aesthetic/geometry at first glance)

And while I get development of 110/148 hubs (awesome for bigger wheel long travel bikes!) I just don't see the need on a hardtail besides being able to switch wheels with your squishy.
  • + 1
 Yep, love the look of the genesis, just my ticket!

I also agree with you re all these new hub standards, are they really needed?? OK, so a 'Fat Bike' hub standard is needed, but why develop new ones for these new 'Semi Fats' as its just making it more muddled, too many sizes, cant they use something already out there!!!??
  • + 1
 Everyone complains about compatibility- why complain about something that is well thought out and designed around compatibilty? 27.5+ is designed around the possibilty of fitting in 29er frame/forks. If only boost 148 and 115x10 exist in the future, there will be nothing to complain about.
  • + 1
 Ye, but the idea of 650b+ fitting a 29er is not going to work with my 29er if boost 148 and 115x15 is the only option hubs, and I think there is a lot of people out there who will be in the same boat! Though I spos if the hubs are just a matter of changing collets, it's not total doom, but that's not always the case!
  • + 1
 @ballardski While I agree that the new hub standards are a little unnecessary, 27.5+ was not the original intention of the hubs. They are going to be primarily used on mountain bikes.

Their only argument, is that they will make stiffer and stronger wheels, as the flanges are getting spaced out. Any other argument is total BS Razz
  • + 1
 dontcoast - main benefits on this bike are that the wider boost chain line allows more drivetrain options without chain/tyre rub, and the forthcoming sups forks for this category will be 110x15.
  • + 1
 i work in the movie biz-did fast7 last year. buy a totaled car, cut it in half. easy, we do it all the time. mechanix gloves-love them. funny that something i buy at lowe's for $20 is at a bike show. jayyyyg all the way. why do i get wood every time i see a cool hardtail? i barely ride the one i have.
  • + 0
 Interesting point on the DT Spoke Gauge - that spoke tension (along with other factors, hub flange width, rim stiffness ect) not only influences how flexy or stiff the wheel will be, but also the amount of grip you'll get. Presumably the lower the spoke tension, the more rider inputs will be softened before they reach the ground, and the more grip the tyre will be able to generate. Conversely, the higher the spoke tension, the more efficient the wheel will be in transferring rider inputs to the ground (making corrections easier), but at the cost of mechanical grip afforded by the tyres.
  • + 6
 I am under a strong impression that this is actually incorrect, and I would call it a marketing sham if they were trying to market that way Razz .
If this kind of thing really interests you, I would encourage you to read "The bicycle wheel" by jobst brands. He is a mechanical engineer from outside the bike industry who has worked with porsche and other high end stuff. In the book he says that a lower spoke tension does not soften the bumps in the road. Lower spoke tension just creates a wheel that has a smaller maximum load capacity, or simply a weaker wheel.
Your tire pressure will make a difference 100x more than spoke tension will for stiffness/suppleness.
  • + 3
 When I get to the top of a climb, I better loosen the tension on my spokes when I let my air out to get maximum grip on the way down.
  • + 0
 Hmmm. I think we're coming from two different understandings of how spoke tension is influencing wheel stiffness - and therefore grip. (And to be truthful, I hadn't considered your perspective... so bear with me). I'm proposing that by lowering spoke tension, the wheel will feel less stiff because the rider's inputs (especially steering and cornering) will be softened by wheel flex, increasing grip. In essence, when turning the handlebars to the left, there is resistance from the tyre's grip which is transferred through the tyre, into the components of the wheel, the fork, the stem, and the bars. (The same resistance that makes it difficult to turn the steering wheel of an old car without power steering). This is because you're basically forcing the tyre to break traction, and is most obvious at low speed, tight turns - when you're turning the bars very sharply. Note that the resistance is only present when you're actually moving the bars (just like the wheel in the old car). While cornering at high speeds, this resistance may seem to have disappeared, it is still present to an extent. (Still following?)
  • + 1
 A wheel with low spoke tension will be more flexy. So when turning left (as in the previous example), the resistance from the tyre's grip, against the initial turning of the handlebars, will be absorbed by the wheel, rather than forcing the tyre to break it's grip. Of course the tyre will eventually turn, but the initial turning motion brought on by turning the handle bars will be softened by the wheel flex. It was in this sense, that I meant a low spoke tension would promote grip.

Whereas you are talking about the probability of a low spoke tension enabling the wheel to absorb more bumps (presumably allowing the tyre to remain in contact with the ground more efficiently - acting like suspension). I feel inclined to agree with you, that this is unlikely to be the case to any great extent except at unusably low spoke tensions, since the spokes are load bearing under tension, not compression. Hope that makes sense - and I'll take a look into that book, cheers.
  • + 2
 @Alfaro @Xyphota Nicolas Vouilloz played a lot with the spoke tension in his DH years, I guess he continues to do it today as well, and there is reason to do so.
  • + 2
 @Alfaro A great article that claims spoke tension has no impact on wheel stiffness sheldonbrown.com/rinard/wheel/index.htm . That was posted through a local forum and while i can't verify the legitimacy of the tester, it seems legit.
  • + 0
 Right everyone with 29/650b wheeled bikes like myself. Prepare yourself for massive depreciation thanks to the ""industry" bringing the all new wheel standard of 27.5+. What will it be in 2017?....28.3++? When is it going to stop.
  • + 2
 I could be wrong but I think the + just means that it's got fat tires. . . .
  • + 5
 27.5+ wheels fit in regular 29" wheeled bikes. It allows for a wider rim / tire combo without needing a whole new bike.
  • - 1
 No mate different size rims too. They won't fit in a 27.5 frame but will in a 29er frame. New bikes are now being designed around the 27.5+ wheel size.
  • + 1
 Not sure you're correct Matt76.

27.5+ is more about the tire than the rim.

27.5+ exists to "fatten" your 29er by using a STANDARD diameter 27.5 rim coupled with a large volume casing 2.8" width wheel, thus ALMOST ending up with a 29er outside diameter wheel.

I'm pretty sure 27.5+ specific rims (like WTB's 45mm external width Scraper) will work with any 27.5 frame, it's the TIRES that won't fit a 27.5 frame.

Now that that's cleared up, what's the deal with those 27.5+ Maxxis tires? Are there no details that the author could have added? Specs? Names? Production plans?
  • + 1
 @MasterSlater - It's a combination of tire and rim that make 27.5+ an emerging trend. If you put a 2.8" wide tire on a skinny rim, sidewall support will suffer. Put it on a wide (30+mm) rim, and you've got a better setup. The reason you can fit a 2.8" wide tire mounted onto a 27.5" rim into many 29er frames is because the front of the tire ends up being a few millimeters back from where a traditional 29er tire would sit, which creates the extra clearance that's necessary.
  • + 1
 Trust me..bikes will be completely designed around the 27.5+ wheel and rim. Give it 12 months and it'll be all that people are banging on about. 26, 27.5 and 29 will become obsolete within a couple of years. Mark my words on that.
  • + 7
 So can I put 2.5" tires on 40mm wide 26" rims in a 27.5 frame, then? I'm half joking, but half really @#$%ing serious.
  • + 2
 I think I agree with Matt76, somehow i cant see these 650B+ wheel set up fitting my 29er, as the clearance between chain and seat stays on the back end of mine is pretty tight with standard 2.2 tyres!!
  • + 3
 Nutcase helmets have bmx style fits with retention systems
nutcasehelmets.com/helmets/bike-skate
  • + 1
 the MET and BlueGrass helmets have the retention system. In METS they even integrated it with a red light for safety Big Grin . This system is a really cool thing.
  • + 1
 Also the BBB bhe-52 Tabletop has a retention system.
bbbcycling.com/bike-wear/helmets/BHE-52
  • + 1
 That Genesis is looking like the business. It makes sense for the show to have gears and such but I'm thinking Single Speed conversion and pound that bike into submission! Bow to your Sensai !
  • + 4
 That Jag! So much want.
  • + 13
 It must be pronounced "Jayyyyg" as per Jeremy Clarkson.
  • + 2
 Ah this is true!
  • + 1
 lol very true!
  • + 3
 do you like luxury?
  • + 1
 "Nothing new from Conti..."

Still no sign of the Project Barons in 27"?
Booooo

Edit: oh, there's a photo, but no words. So there is something new from Conti.
I'm confused
  • + 1
 Same here...
  • + 1
 I'm at the show, the baron is new and is 650bx2.4 also comes in 29" apparently. They're in high demand so start making friends with a continental dealer now and you might have a chance at a pair.
  • + 1
 Yeah the new Baron has been at shows for well over 6 months, but not in shops!
  • + 1
 I've heard rumors of production delays with the Baron and Kaiser Projekts but they should be available in N America in late spring. CAN'T WAIT!
  • + 1
 I've got some 650 2.4 Barons on my Sanction (ex Atherton), they're well worth the wait!!
  • + 1
 What we need are single ply Der Kaisers for our trail bikes.
  • + 1
 Balls. "Late spring" probably means at least May
  • + 0
 Ogio!!!! Best bags in the world. Very sturdy and durable , and majority of them have huge amount of space even the smaller ones. I'm still finding new pockets I never knew about in my 9800 sled
  • + 1
 The photo with the row of D-Locks hanging up, it looks like the box with the locking axle nuts is empty, someone pilfered them already?
  • + 2
 Bluegrass do the Superbold which has a retention system regarding the helmet.
  • + 1
 I believe poc makes one with the retention device.
  • + 1
 That is correct. It's called Crane. This season it even has a version with MIPS system. It has a dual density Eps core and a thicker and tougher outershell than normal in-mold helmets.

pocsports.com/en/product/1991/crane-mips
  • + 2
 cant wait for more 27.5+ bikes become available, would really love one as my next ride
  • + 1
 Same, Charge have been putting up pictures of a rad looking proto too...
  • + 1
 I understand the design (27.5" wide rim with phat tyres to fit a 29" frame) but I don't really understand the need or purpose for a 27.5+ bike, plese explain the reasioning behind it if you can
  • + 1
 Trek say it's for the 'ride quality and fun factor' but I guess It's like a middle ground between a fat bike and a normal bike, it won't perform as when in conditions like snow, compared to a fat bike, but will be alot more effective on average mtb trails
  • + 2
 Conti tyres are so underrated, best tyres out there, especially the black chilli ...
  • + 1
 agreed!
  • + 1
 Not tried any of there black chilli jobs yet, but im not a fan of the mountain king. Love the rubber queen/trail king, x king and race king though!!
  • + 2
 Roadies have way too much money lol
  • + 1
 there are a few more brands offering potty type helmets with a retention system such as nutcase, abus and uvex.
  • + 2
 For a minute there I thought that Genesis was a Honzo.
  • + 1
 Kali also makes a skate style helmet with a retention system. I love mine!
  • + 1
 Hahahaha the model with manon's clothes and helmet, ,,.. Manon is 2 times larger
  • + 1
 "Four minute battery life of your smartphone"... Sounds like someone uses an IPhone lolololol
  • + 1
 Did anyone catch that Thule cut an Audi on half to display their trailer hitch pike rack system?
  • + 2
 you don't think they built something around the car to give it the illusion it's cut in half?....
  • + 2
 i thought that, but then looked back at the overhead view of the floor, and the walls separating displays are thin with another company on the other side.
  • + 1
 It even looks like it could be juse a shell
  • + 1
 This. Exactly.
  • + 4
 Or maybe they bought one that was totalled in the front and cut the back off. That sounds a lot cheaper than buying a new one.
  • + 1
 bluegrass superbold @PaulAston
  • + 1
 Uvex do a retaining system for the potty type lid
  • + 1
 Boost 110/Boost 148... Ugh...
  • + 2
 indeed. just go 20mm in the front FFS. the weight difference is negligible. 15mm made sense as a replacement for QR, but should never have become the standard for every single crown fork with less than 160mm travel like it is now.
  • + 1
 Think of where the 20x110 axle standard would be if they spent all the R&D money there, instead of inventing a solution for a problem that didn't exist. The humble 20x110 would be just as light, if not lighter, and much stiffer than 15mm could ever hope to be, regardless of width...
  • + 1
 See, most of the time, I'm willing to give the bike industry a pass on stuff, because hindsight is 20/20, but this dichotomy irritates me: 35mm handlebars are lighter than 31.8 bars, because they can make the walls thinner, but 15mm axles are lighter than 20mm? really, now I just feel like I'm being sold a bridge in NY.
  • + 1
 On the helmet thing, hardnutz make a pretty sick line with twisty bits
  • + 1
 i suck 4 ffree
  • + 1
 I'll take the F Type...

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