I'd replace the pivot with the knolly honestly. If not for the obvious reason, then because it's nicer to look at.

 I just want to try the alloy version of the warden. such a good looking bike (beauty is in the eye of the beholder after all.)

 @Lookinforit: I'd replace it with Firebird

 @Pedropapa: Ooh yeah that bike's a looker and looks really fun to ride!

 Patrol for breakfast, morning tea, lunch, afternoon tea, dinner and dessert please

 @DylanDaSilva: only on low load pivots that activate the shock, all the important ones are bearings, good bearings, with ti-collet hardware

 @Lookinforit: NO such thing as a good looking knolly. they obviously forgot to think of form after the function

 transition is a game changer... just watch they're vids.. no bull sh#t fun bikes backed by the best in the biz.. I've been on a smuggler all year and have zero complaints.. waiting for a carbon smuggler

 @NeilsElbek: just watch their vids! Best reasoning ever!

 @viatch: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I love the look. It grew on me, for sure, but I love it. You don't have to though, so keep excising that freedom of speech!

 If they are going to be assholes and not nominate the bike I ride, then I will bitch about their choices!

 @FunctionalMayhem: It does have carbon seat stays, only the chain stays are alu. only for protection I assume.

 @FunctionalMayhem: ask around how many people have gone from carbon yetis, SantaCruz, Pivots to alloy ? check warden forums, check Canfield Balance forums... you'll be surprised... frame weight to decide which bike to get ?...

 @FunctionalMayhem @viatch
I'm the lucky guy who owned a troy, sight 650b, range C, firebird (not the last gen) and ... a Warden. All of them with high end shocks from float X to X2 and CCDB on the troy.
I sell them all except one, guess which one ?
From all of them, the warden get the best performing suspension kinematic by far in terms of traction, ground tracking, shock absorption. Its kinematic make no compromise toward pedalling efficiency, with acceptable figures in terms of anti-squat, but lowest pedal kickback you can find, neutral brake squat and very progressive suspension ratio.
And the geometry is dialed too, slack, long with low BB. This bike is a blast.
And concerning apparence, put any other high carbon superbike close to, and it will just look tame because of knolly's finish, perfect welds and hardware.
This thing is made to last.

 @OzMike: the rear linkage on a knolly looks like a bucket of smashed crabs.. jus sayin'

 @DylanDaSilva: Bushings does not equal bad quality...

 @PaulLehr: exactly!!!

 @gnralized:
I guess I better have another look at the ol Warden again. I remember really liking how odd it looks to most other frames. I soon got pushed away because of price. I really would go back to the idea, especially because they are local. Too bad they manufacture overseas. I guess that would make them even mor pricy!
Carbon or alloy???

 @Lookinforit: The red Pivot looks much better!

 @naturechild15: your correct. But bushings do require more maintenence and are known to creak. They are also not as smooth.

 @DylanDaSilva: in fact bushings are known as "journal bearings".
For instance your shock rely on journal bearings to interface it with the frame.
Do they creak or need special care ?
No, because they take no lateral load and works only in rotation, since it is the main pivots job to bear lateral and vertical load, as well as shear stress.
It is the same for knolly's journal bearings, whose are located in the secondary link that don't bear lateral load or shear stress. Their only fonction is to link the shock to the suspension and permit the suspension ratio wanted by the designers. Shear stress, vertical and lateral load are handled by the main suspension pivots (horst link pivots), whose rely on angular contact bearings.

 @gnralized: honestly think Knollys are good looking and good performing bikes. But they are not the best. From my experience there are other high end bikes in the price range of the Knolly do perform better. An good example of a similar bike would be Yeti SB6. The Evil Insurgent is also a far superior bike. It is much lighter and features far superior suspension kinematics. I'm not trying to diss Knolly. They make great quality bikes. I would ride a Knolly long before other bikes such as Giants or even Cannondale. But currently, compared to other bikes in the same price range they do not perform the best.

 @DylanDaSilva: depends of what "perform" means.
All 160mm bikes that have AS superior to 100% at SAGgot pedal kickback superior to 15 degrees in 30/16 at full travel or near, which is huge.
Meaning that your transmission strongly interfere with your suspension and doesn't allow it to work at the best of its capacity. E.g. Chainless runs with high times of Gwin and MacDonald.
In a kinematic perspective, giant maestro implemented on the reign is better than yeti and evil (low AS and pdkb, progressive kinematic ratio). Just check the curves.
For a given 1x transmission, a bike that have a high AS cannot have a suspension that work freely.

 @gnralized: you Sr know what you are talking about. The active suspension on Knolly's is love or hate though...I love mine

 @gnralized: way to tech for me. All I want to say is that out of my experience. Yeti and Evil produce very well performing bikes compared to other brands at least for aggressive riders. Maybe that's not your riding style.

 Exactly. Been on the Warden C for about 2 months now. This bike continues to blow my mind. It really does it all. I never thought I would be this stoked on riding again. It's like when I was 13 or 14 and got my first real mountain bike and simply couldn't get enough. Long XC slog? All day long. Scary steep enduro race with bike park jumps and shit-your-pants rock gardens? Point it and hang on for the ride.

 @gnralized: Unfortunately, this is not true. Knolly upper main pivot is very flexy, and this flex is transfered to a shock. How do I know? I have a Chilco from first series which had every possible part skewed. One of the effects is that top of seatstay is 2mm shifted towards non-drive side. And yet you can put this together, simply because seatstay is connected to the frame with two thin links (which are separate parts, connected to the sides of seatstay). And this 2mm skew shows on the upper shock mount. All bearings on Knolly take lateral load, those bushings also.

 Knolly Warden C is a hideous piece of shit, from that ugly bent front triangle to the ridiculous & redundant linkage concraption it's just grotesque & stupid all rolled into one. Couldn't pay me to ride it. Well OK, pay me & I'll buy a real bike like a Trek.

 @Trials-FTW: you have no filter

 For sure, that's worth considering.

 @mikelevy: Actually, while the "best bike for X niche" thing is fun and interesting (and often quite drool-inducing), I like the idea of a bike that's the best one bike quiver/desert island bike. The one bike that you'd happily ride in almost all circumstances, on almost any trail. The one bike that's got so much range you don't mind it's shortcomings at the very edge of its performance envelope. For me, given my personal mix of skills (decidedly pedestrian) and risk preference profile (self-employed suburban dad with a well-developed preference for self-preservation), that's a short travel 29er (fun at the bike park, fun just about anywhere, at speeds that are just the right mix of exciting and reasonable for me). For someone a bit more gravity oriented, that's more likely to be a full-on enduro sled that climbs in a reasonably dignified manner. For someone more on the endurance athlete side of the spectrum, it would be one of those quick trail/capable XC bikes (like the Hei Hei). But the concept of a bike that performs remarkably well over a remarkably wide spectrum of uses - that's a pretty cool thing, and splintering it all up into niches has a bit of a wishful thinking dimension to it that rings hollow for most of us.

 @g-42: Totally agree the "best all rounder" would make for an excellent award category, but if that were the case, a DH sled (and other one trick ponies) would never stand a chance of making it into the mix, which doesn't seem completely fair.

Regardless that they're all going to be based on subjective opinion (supported by each rider's various underlying values and personal biases), I still like to hear what guys who have ridden them all have to say at the end of the day!

 @g-42: I'm not a fan of the "best one bike quiver";you end up with a bike that's good at everything but not great at anything. Most people either ride a certain style, or have more than one bike and choose the bike for the trail. Accordingly, I think separate categories would be most useful.

 They could have categories for best climber, best descender and best all-round bikes.

 there should be a "climbs like an XC and Descends like a DH" Category

 I actually just got one in to test. Haven't ridden it yet, but it looks interesting. I'm an open minded kind of guy.

 @mikelevy: At least when you're on it you can't really see it. Probably helps for a more fair review of how it rides.

 @mikelevy: Oh really?.... ;-))

 I like ellsworth bikes,, i actually dont know why the fck is everyone getting angry about this brand!

 @mikelevy: but Rocky there is a limit!

 how about redalp?

 Considering from the three photos, it is the most dirty. Maybe hints at which gets ridden the most.

 @alwaysOTB: Or cleaned the least.

 @EKrum But can it turn left?

 "Transition, so hot right now. Transition."

 Very cool bike, but also not available yet.

 @Sydneywainwright Guess only next year then!

 @mikelevy: the patrol allu is the same bike ?

 @yoyo21: Same geo. The carbon frame is said to be 700 grams lighter, but the important numbers are the same.

 I wonder how many people will look at the zerode and think it's an e-bike?

 @mikelevy: What about everything by @RockyMountainBicycles, they have been killing it since they revamped the Altitude and now everything has been getting a facelift, the Thunderbolt, Element, Maiden, Slayer... all some next level shit!

 That's exactly what I was thinking, right along with the Evil Wreckoning and the YT Jeffsy.

 I agree with the fact there should be a Rocky in there...

 @BoneDog: Current Altitude frame is unchanged since 2013. Other than the top link that now supports lower maintenance bushings and grease ports.

Other more recent models are nice though.

 @b45her: which of the sram, e13, dt swiss, raceface, fox parts do you consider unreliable?

 I agree. Evil wreckoning should be in place if the switchblade.

 @ibishreddin: Exactly what i've thought. Thanks @mikelevy for answering this.

 Trek may not have the excitement factor of the smaller brands, but they're by far the coolest of the big brands.

 @theextremist04: it's amazing - none of the Lance Armstrong stain ever carried over to them or at least not the mtb side.

 @powderturns: Not all of us have forgotten. It would take a lot to make me buy something from this brand.

 @mbl77: Trek was pretty hard on Greg Lemond and his brand too! Not good!

 The standard existing already isn't as much of a benefit as you might think though. sure, it's better than not existing at all, but if you're an off-the-rack shopper, when it comes to wheels, good luck finding a company that makes 157mm 29er wheelsets. 10 years ago, needing a custom rear wheel was a pain, but doable (hello, Specialized bikes with 135 & ART rear ends) but these days, not being able to buy a catalog wheelset is a big deal, both for the brand manager specing the complete, & the end user.

 @groghunter: The thing is there maybe isn't a catalog 157mm 29er wheelset, but we already have 157 hubs and 29er rims, it surely is cheaper to produce more of the hubs and build them onto 29ers than it is to design and test and manufacture a completely new standard, at the end of the day it isn't anymore effort really than building any other wheelset, it is just you would have to up the production on 157mm hubs

 To be fair to the switchblade it will take a 160mm fork according to the summary, so you may be happy bike parking that too? It can't be too flimsy with that size fork...

 @Travel66: I demoed a Switchblade in Vermont this Summer and after a 2000 ft (600m) climb I went to flip the switch to descend and realized I climbed the whole way up with the shock open. It's that good. Interested to try it with 29" wheels this Spring since I am not a fan of 27+. Definitely on my short list although a bit heavy.

 @Travel66: The SB has a stupid steep seat tube. I demo'd one and the only way I could ride one would be with a setback seatpost. The one criticism you can't make with that bike is that the STA is too slack.

 @vikb: I smell BS.....setback seatpost my ass.....the effective seat tube angle gets lower the taller you are....with short CS that's no good for tall guys when climbing steep stuff.....end of story....you can't fudge the maths....sure the 27+ helps with traction as @kkmb said but it doesn't change the climb angle factors.....maybe your average/short and it works for you?

On the way down it's got a steeper front end and shorter travel at the rear.....I'd fancy my chances on the trek fuel more....although I'd rather have a trek slash!

And one other thing...157mm sounds great at the back end unless the CS are really short and you bang your heels on th CS cos there so wide!...... I don't get it.....my Phoenix has 442mm at the back end and it feels sweet...

 @Travel66: I actually rode the bike [I actually demo'd two of them] I'm not analyzing based on a photo the saddle position at full extension with my 33" pants inseam was still quite steep. So steep I wouldn't be able to ride it in stock trim and would need a setback dropper.

I didn't have any issues with heels hitting the CS and I run 11.5 US men's shoes.

Wasn't my favourite bike and I am not buying one. But these two ^^^ criticisms are non-issues.

 @vikb: I don't get it...why not slide the seat back on the rails if it was too far forward?

MBUK calaculated an effective seat angle of 72 degrees for a tall rider.....I've done the maths on lots of bikes to see where neutral point is (namely ass directly over rear axle) and 72 degrees and 428 cs means a very low maximum climb angle

 @Travel66: My everyday ride has a 72.5 deg effective STA. The SB was much steeper. I didn't have the ability to accurately measure the SB as it was a demo and other folks wanted the bike, but I could tell by how it felt relative to my bike that it was much steeper.

I don't know if you have ever tried to ride a saddle slammed all the way back on its rails. I have more than once and they last a couple weeks before you bend the rails or snap them entirely. If I bought a bike with a steep STA like the SB I'd just get a 9.8 dropper with a 1" setback head and then I could run the saddle in the middle of the rails where it will last me years.

 So true. Whistler resident and Patrol is just an amazing bike. Selling the one I've had for two seasons and I'm just going to build the exact same thing again. Best bike I've ever had, and best I've ridden (and I've tried most).

 @vikb: I'm struggling with the contradiction of the geometry chart and your claim, but bottom line it will be harder to climb once your seat is moved back to where you need it and then the short CS will come into play as well...

Read the WMB review...

 @Travel66: I ride a bike with 16.9" CS and a 72.5 deg STA. Climbs like a freaking goat on crack cocaine or whatever the current lingo is. Back wheel has tons of traction and front wheel is a touch light which is perfect for skimming up a techy climb without getting hung up on stuff and it's very easy to light and place the front wheel down on a new line.

Theories are great, but actually riding the bike is what will tell you the what's really going on.

I'm shopping for a new bike and it will have short sub-17" CS and a slack STA. I've got no doubt it will climb really well.

Sorry what's WMB stand for?

 One guy says the seat angle is too steep, another says too slack. It is actually pretty standard/average/normal. SB is 74.25, Patrol is 75.4, Santa Cruz Bronson is 74, Specialized Stumpjumper FSR 74, Specialized Enduro 76. If you want a bike with a seattube angle slacker than 74 good luck with your shopping; you better stock up on old bikes now, because anything slacker is not efficient. I recently sold a Patrol and bought a Bronson. I prefer the steeper angle of the Patrol TBH. I would never consider a bike slacker than 74 ever again.

 @tetonlarry: Unless everybody has the same body dimensions you are going to find that steeper STAs are not "efficient" for everyone. That said if they work well for you awesome - gold star!

And no I don't have to stock up on old bikes. I just need to buy a dropper post with a 1" setback like 9.8 offers. That's what I would have done if my demo rides on the SB had made me want to buy one.

 @tetonlarry - Your right save where the actual tube angle is slacker than the effective angle.

For those tubes that don't run straight up from the BB.....as the seat is set higher the angle gets slacker.....hence why WMB measured the Firebird at 72 degrees....this is a lot lower than the official STA which is measured at one height...its the combo with short CS then that causes problems if your taller or have longer legs...

@vikb: What Mountain Bike....and you haven't said whether your short/have short legs or odd proportions in your femur length etc

 @Travel66: My current bike is Pivot Mach 6. The geo chart says 72.3 deg STA. I measured my actual STA at 72.5 deg - given the margin for error that's essentially the same thing. My legs are longish with a 33" pants inseam for a 5'11" height.

Anyway I'm not trying to sell the SB. I didn't love my test rides. I wanted to love it, but I didn't. I just commented here because having actually ridden this bike a couple times I can tell you it does not have a slack STA. I'd agree with TetonLary that the STA is right in line with the current crop of modern geo bikes.

 Trek has a bigger ad budget than Pivot and Transition combined. $$$

 Nope, I had a remedy 29 last year and the fuel EX this year, the fuel EX is better for sure.

 @mtmtber182: are you a dentist?

 @phdotd: No, a bike mechanic so I get a great discount and I can usually sell them for what I got into them but I still don't buy the most expensive models.

 So it's finally as good as the Banshee Rune...

 @Jokesterwild: considered a rune before I got my suppressor

 @jokersterwild: "As Good"? Carbon vs. Aluminum. 6.8lbs Patrol Large vs. 9.2lbs Rune Large. The Aluminum Patrol was already a better bike than a Banshee Rune. I rode an aluminum Patrol for 2 seasons, but have never ridden a Rune. Have you ridden both? On paper the Rune cannot touch the Patrol unless it has some type of magic fairy dust sprinkled on it.

 @tetonlarry: lol on paper. That's how I judge all my bike purchases. Yes they just had a demo day here actually. It's a great bike. I just perfer the charcteristics of the rune better. Probably more personal then truly one beingbetter than the other but I digress.

 My large alloy patrol weighs 30.6 lbs with a fairly heavy wheelset and tires.

 Was going to say the same thing! Best geo out there, best linkage design, impossibly durable... CB knows what they're doing!

 Agreed, the Balance is the best bike I've owned in the past 20 years of riding, I've had the opportunity to own some awesome bikes, aluminum, titanium, carbon; and suspension designs also Horst link, KS link, ABP, DW lInk, VPP just to name a few. The Canfield is the bike I grab most often from my steed when heading out to hit the trails. It obviously descends great, but always baffled on how they designed it to climb awesome too.

 I was not only surprised that the 5.5c was not in the top three (the SB6 came out last year), I was a quite surprised the Patrol was. Impressive bike but not even in my top five from the 14 bikes we rode at Outerbike.

 This!! How can 1 bike that placed top 3 podium at Worlds not get a shout, sort it out PB

 Roger that!

 Thank YOU for mentioning the Wreckoning! So true!!!

 yeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss!

 I have to agree with this. The whole rear hub dimension thing is just a giant WTF. I very much prefer the Hightower over pretty much anything pivot. I have yet to try the firebird which seems like a step in the right dimension.

 The 2017 Enduro is a great bike, but it's not really a radical departure from the previous model. It has more travel and a SWAT box, but otherwise the ride characteristics are fairly similar. It's still lots of fun to ride, but the smiles per mile ratio was just a little bit higher with the bikes nominated above.

 @mikekazimer: They got rid of the retarded pressfit BB and added some reasonably sized bearings, too. They made a decent bike in to a bike worth owning.

 @mikekazimer: The shiny new Slash only just caught up with where the Spez Enduro has been for years, nothing new there really...

 Plus, ya know, it's hard to consider a 2017 bike for a 2016 award...

 The YT was nominated last year but not this time around. There are a lot of great bikes out there, including some DH sleds.

 We have a Slash on test right now, and have also done a 'First Ride' article on it - you'll be able to read the review soon. In short, it's a killer bike, but it's also extremely focused on just one task. Having ridden both, the new Fuel gets the nod over the Slash because it's a killer all around rig, more so than the Slash.

 @mikelevy: and that's the issue.....apples and oranges....given the PB crowd I would suggest we need categories for Trail/AM, Enduro, Downhill......maybe Hardtail?.....horses for courses...

 I heard claims it doesn't pedal as well, but because of that, had great active suspension in the chunk.

 Hahaha, AutoCAD? Definitely not in the bike world. Transition uses SolidWorks for their modeling.

In terms of cost, they don't call them "boutique" brands for no reason. Brands like Specialized have a huge marketshare and can stand to make less margin. I used to see nothing but Specialized around here in Phoenix. They were so common I hated them. Part of the reason why it's no hip to be a fan boy of Specialized. (Just my opinion )

 @HK-Mazur: LOL My bad, your right about the software. I was just making a point and that's what pop'd in my head.

But your comments on how it's "not cool" to like specialized are exactly what I'm talking about. I think there is a huge amount of bias based on trends and brand/designer popularity.

I do NOT see why someone would consider Transition a boutique builder. They are not leading in development, they do not provide a product that is somehow above and beyond what many other manufacturers also provide. They do not even try to position themselves as that kind of brand like Intense does...? ("giddiup" suspension and dwarf horse riding?) It takes more than just adding a large markup to your product to try and make up for the recent capitol investment needed for going Carbon.

IMO Transitions success was being grassroots rider owned and having an "ear to the ground" producing what their customers wanted. I think they still do that. But they used to do that with a much more competitive price point.

Something that occurred to me just now. If Transition truly makes HL bikes better than specialized than how come their 29er is only getting 115mm travel. (their previous single pivot 29er was doing 140) While the poor guys at specialized who somehow just don't know how to make a good HL bike are getting 165mm of travel on their newest Enduro...

 I have both. No there isn't a GOOD reason to go for one over the. The Scout is a more agile in slower tech, especially tight climbing turns. Patrol pedals almost as well as the Scout. At speed I like the Patrol better, more forgiving, stable and becomes much more responsive. If I could only keep one it'd be the Patrol. But I wouldn't sell my Scout to buy a Patrol unless it was a straight trade...

 @JMSmitty:

Good to know, I agree 100% the Scout it good in slower technical. I prefer that kind of riding over speed and jumps etc..
I guess the only think that would be nice is carbon. I've always loved the feel but the cost is crazy these days.
cheers

 My last Scott Genius and the Patrol both route theirs the same way.

 Cause Trump is making America great again......

 "I bought a bike for its warranty?"......dude WTF?

 @Travel66: Customer service is an important part. If Trek offers to replace my frame for free 8 years from now for a brand new model because of a failure, I'll rather choose for that company than for the one who only offers 2 years of warranty and I wouldn't even buy a frame from companies known for not replying to warranty claims when needed.

Especially when all three bikes are so close in terms of riding quality, things like service become an interesting thing to base your choice on. If I'd spend nearly 10K on a bike I would want to trust the company that when something goes wrong, I didn't flush the money down the toilet. And Trek doesn't only offer the lifetime warranty but also has proven to be great with customer care.

Also, me being someone who studies marketing I do learn that "invisible" aspects of a product are also part of the product you buy.

 @Travel66: ha ha I'm with you.
But then I was one of the first people to buy an
evil following on the promise that the build quality was better than before....

 @Richt2000: nothing wrong in being EVIL !!!
@Mattin: "important part" as you say not why you buy a bike though.....you wouldn't buy something flawed beansue a warranty...and in reality we all try to buy the best we can get for what we want it for....usually its nice to know the warranty is worth something...that's all !! I would also buy a trek because the slash, remedy and Fuel are all brilliant...

 @travel66: you misunderstood what I said. I wouldn't buy a bike because of it's warranty. But when three bikes are so close in competition, quality and price, something such as great warranty could be the deciding factor between the three. Especially when you spend so much money on the bike, having lifetime warranty is something that would make me choose for that certain bike out of the three because it ensures you will be happily riding that bike for a long time.

 Is it obvious?

 @mikelevy: 2 years in a row this will be with quite bland Treks winning, this is turning into more of a paid Trek ad.

 @Gvus2001: They obviously make some great bikes. I don't own a crystal ball, though, so I'm not sure if they're going to win for a second time in a row.

 @Gvus2001: Have you ridden a 2017 Trek? Or even seen the sheer level of R&D they've put into the 2017 bikes from the already dialed 2016 lineup? Yes 2016 looked fairly bland, but were rammed with great tech, now for 2017 they've got character in the looks and feels and even more great tech. That ISO Speed on the Procaliber is the tits. Definitely deserve to be on this list!

 @Richt2000: no it's not saying anything at all. Mike is only replying to people why the Trek made it into the top 3. Not why it's going to win.

 Actually, all of these.

 Let's keep it that way.

 Have you ridden the new Fuel EX? The Jeffsy is an excellent machine, and the price is hard to beat - we have a long term review in the works - but the Fuel EX is on a different level as far as its trail manners go.

 @mikekazimer: oh that is not gonna sit well with the fanbois

 Ive been seeing reviews for the Primer popping up and I havent heard much good about it, the most common complaint is that its a bike with a lot of compromises that doesnt seem to know what category its in.

 @mikekazimer: nope. Its just too fugly I wouldn't want to. It looks like its been squashed by the big garbage squasher thingie on Starwars.

Now the remedy or slash 29 - beautiful bikes...

 @aharris: which review say its comprimised? Id be keen to read them. It seems to get praise in all the mainstream reviews? Are you sure you dont mean the recluse? As that is getting poor reviews....

 Hasn't the Jeffsy been out for a year already? By next November, it'll be old news. Too bad, sounded like it had a chance.

 @bishopsmike: yea and considering the amountof advertising they do on pinkbike it is quite surprising.

 @mikekazimer: I recently had a test ride on a Trek Fuel EX 8 29, several levels down from the 9.9, and about 6 lbs heavier. It blew my mind - I had no idea a 29er could be so capable and flickable on the downs. I can only imagine what new worlds the Trek Fuel EX 9.9 would open up for me on the ups and downs. Definitely one of my next bikes.

 @Richt2000: I can see a Fuel EX on a stand from my workshop at work, it's definitely a thing of beauty in the flesh, looks incredibly similar to the remedy and slash you praise too. If you get the chance to ride one then do, it'll open your mind

 I rode the Primer for 3 days and wanted to love it (especially since I could get the Pro for less than $6k) but in the end it had some flaws I just couldn't get over. Was incredibly fast and playful but it bounced around a lot in the chunder. I had to get over 40% on sag before I could feel the rear sus was doing its job. Maybe a 2.5 true at low vol would help but not sure. And a fox performance fork on a "pro" build with a $7k msrp is insulting.

 @Radioface: you would love the jeffsy pro then - best 140 suspension bike I've ridden, and I've ridden A LOT!

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