Video: The Birth of Bold's Linkin Trail

May 5, 2015 at 11:13
by Pinkbike Staff  


Bold Cycles Linkin Trail

Learn more about the Bold Linkin Trail here and stay tuned for our upcoming first ride impressions after our recent visit to Switzerland.


100 Comments

  • + 98
 A little bit sceptical about the "air flow"...
  • + 31
 Agreed, something tells me the dirt and mud that flow into that, aren't going to just flow out like water and air. They should include a big ass pipe cleaner with the frame!
  • + 15
 Which part, the part about it working, or the part about it mattering, or both?
  • + 1
 I'm with Zion-i. Good concept and all...but inevitably water and mud will work it's way in there, then you'll have to pull the bottom to get it all out of there. Without any clear path of escape, not only will it possibly bind up, but there may be excessive wear on any rotating parts as well as potentially damaging the rear shock shaft..
  • + 7
 It reminds me of when forks used to have rubber 'boots' on them to protect the stanchions. Grit, mud, and water would get in there eventually, and the boot would just hold it in place instead of allowing it to shed.
  • + 12
 I am skeptical about every part of this bike. I hope they prove me wrong and it works without issue, because it is a really cool idea.
  • - 6
flag scapegoat2010 (May 5, 2015 at 12:51) (Below Threshold)
 @hamncheez kashima took care of those Wink
  • + 4
 the headtube hole leads to the downtube...any dirt or grime is going to travel down the downtube and exit the frame before the bb/under the shock, im sure there is a drainage opening there... as usual more clueless comments on pinkbike...the need for airflow seems ridiculous though, especially including it in the video like its some genius feature.
  • + 16
 It looks kind of cool, but I can't really see any advantage of the invisible shock. Also their air flow system really seems to be nothing more than just another marketing gadget. Add 27,5+ and boost to that and I'm not in the least interrested anymore.
  • + 3
 @hamncheez if you're gonna ride an ugly, heavy bicycle, it might as well have a motor in it.
  • + 36
 What if somebody came up with a frame design that incorporates a shock mounted outside of the frame tubing to for optimum airflow. As a bonus, it might make it easier to adjust the air pressure and damper settings too. I'm gonna try to mock up a design.
  • + 5
 @dlxah wow! what a concept!
  • + 11
 SERIOUSLY HOW DO YOU ADJUST THE AIR PRESSURE AND REBOUND
  • + 1
 How often do you need to change your shock settings? It's not that hard to take the cover off.
  • + 3
 it makes the pro pedal on rp23 and similar features on other shocks pretty much useless, if it was coupled with a remote lockout that would be cool.
  • + 1
 Yeah, but some people don't care about climb platforms. I don't see why you couldn't route a remote to it though?
  • + 3
 In the industry there are some clever ideas and some stupid ideas. It takes some time to be proved. Guess this one what it is going to be!
  • + 1
 My DBA looks pretty rad outside, easy to clean/tune. This idea is fantasy dead 10 years ago.
  • + 6
 I feel bad for the redalp, it's like a super ugly dog. I feel like it needs a hug.
  • + 1
 If the down tube air flow doesn't work it looks like there is one in the seat tube as well, might be even more effective than the one up front.
  • + 79
 can't wait for the longer-travel model aimed at the whistler crowd, a.k.a. the Linkin Park
  • + 14
 Ba Dummm Tssssh
  • + 56
 So if I ride this will people think I'm a hardtail wizard
  • + 21
 Slow clap
  • + 51
 lost me at Boost and 27+
  • + 5
 I turned it off at that point aswell
  • + 12
 ...then you have not seen the 29+ option ;-)
  • + 4
 just stopped the video same place haha
  • - 6
flag fr3er1d3r (May 5, 2015 at 18:51) (Below Threshold)
 What about that 148mm rear axle?
  • + 42
 Air flow technology lol. What's next, spoilers?
  • + 17
 Hockey card in the spokes, plus fart can. And ground effects!
  • + 3
 Nah, its made in Switzerland so it was def a stack of $100's caught up in there!
  • + 7
 If you read, its designed, developed, and assembled in Switzerland. That usually means manufactured in Asia.
  • + 1
 @DBomberMan Fox already has you covered with their Flux helmet!
  • + 2
 It makes sense to me, I'm not heavy and I'd overheat most lightweight inline shocks on some of the trails around here, and that's with air flowing over it to cool it down. It'd be a lot worse confined in a plastic box.
  • + 1
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  • + 17
 This is a very cool looking bike and well designed frame with new idea's,this brings a fresh new look to mountain bikes in my opinion.
  • + 11
 That's a good definition - Designed, not engineered.

Airflow from about 3sq.cm.@ 30km/h to cool an air shock, that is already facing more friction from all the seals.
Limited shock options due to the frame design.
Opening for the shock adjusters that is just at the place where all of the mud goes to.
Able to take wider tires (as if that's not bad but still more mud in the opening)
A 5th or whatever's the count new axle standard.

It's got so many wrong's with it that the great design cannot justify.
Then again it looks just a if it was designed by DT Swiss - overly complicated solutions to problems no one new even existed.

Oh and it's cables are internal, all but the dropper post - what gives?!
  • + 1
 The airflow is the only truly bad thing about it. If you care about shock options, this frame was not designed for you. If you care about being able to frequently fiddle with your shock, this frame was not designed for you. But there's a lot of people that set and forget the shock, and are okay with basic shock performance. Some of them shred hard. One of the best riders I know rides an rp2. Rebuilds it every 4 months, knows his pressures and rebound settings and the only time the shock is touched by human hands is when it's being unbolted from the bike. I haven't changed anything on my vivid air for the past 3 months at least, but I don't think I'd be happy with any inline shock.

If the shock didn't cook itself to death inside a plastic box, I would buy a frame with this design in a second. Provided it had the compatibility/geometry I was after of course - no interest in a plus bike. It looks frikken awesome, and I like the idea of not exposing my shock to dust/mud/rocks.
  • + 8
 Seems like a hassle I'm already way to lazy to take out multi tool to adjust my rebound on the cane creek double barrel, looks like i would have to remove a skid plate to do such a thing. eff that noise. Can we just have normal bikes.
  • + 12
 The files are inside the computer?
  • + 12
 That's pretty bold!
  • + 32
 I can Barely hide my shock
  • + 12
 You just have to keep it internal
  • + 7
 They had me interested, until they said ,"Boost".

Much like the threaded BB shell, when I look for my next bike I will be buying an "old fashioned" bike with threaded bb and 142 rear axle. And if I buy a 110 front end it better be for a 20mm axle. I think my next fork will be a fox 36 so I can keep my 20mm through axle. And hopefully the good people at Santa Cruz still make these kind of frames in years to come.
  • + 1
 Yes because "142" is old fashioned...
  • + 4
 at first i loved the idea and look of it, but after reading all your critiques i have done a complete 180 on it and think they need to throw this one on the crap pile. Your obvious objections have a ton of validity and need to be seriosly considered before this thing ever sees the light of day.
  • + 4
 I had to watch the video twice to figure out how they get the bolt in the top eyelet of the shock but I get it now lol nice sleek design not sure about that air cooled system they got going on there though but either way she looks beautiful!!!
  • + 2
 Sweet design but get rid of that awful Boost rear end Madder I'm curious to know how does one tune the shock, what is mud clearance like as well as cleaning, and are you able to mount a shock with a reservoir or a shock with the air can opposite the knobs like on a CCDB InLine?
  • + 1
 I highly doubt that you will be able to use any other shock, especially after seeing "Technology Partner: DT Swiss"
  • + 6
 I feel like they have just answered a question that nobody asked.
  • + 2
 Wicked design! I really like all the free space that linkage parts normally take away, which is a major feature of this frame. Do we really need shock cooling? I understand that on hot days inside a black frame it might get toasty, but I've never used a shock to the extent of "overheating".
  • + 7
 You might be surprised how hot your shock gets. Ride down a fast tech trail that you feel works your suspension, then feel the can at the bottom. You'll find it's quite warm!
  • + 3
 But be careful, I damn near burned my calf once resting next to my bike right after a 10 min descent. Coils and big air cans do better, but little Float straight bodied shocks get really hot. Like really, really hot. I'm not joking. It was hot through my glove.
  • + 1
 @atrokz agreed. Ive got my RP23 pretty warm, even after long descents with full compressions and mostly 80% compressions, but never hot that I wouldn't want to touch it.

Calipers and disc's on the other hand Wink Burn my leg hair right off!
  • + 4
 The scott world cup team uses diposable thermometer stickers on their shocks and said on a pb article that there shocks get as hot as 240F occassionally. So yes, shocks get hot. And if napa ducting is any indication, some frame vents are probably more effective than sticking it in the open air.

The real question, is which songs can I tune it to whistle?
  • + 1
 I want to see some data that shows the mass flow rate of air past the shock is higher than if it is outside the frame, open to the air. And even if you somehow can get more convective heat transfer out of the shock by channeling the air, you still have to consider that it's going to be sitting in an oven baking until you start moving. I can only imagine this is going to result in a much higher net increase in temperature.
  • + 2
 What's next? a MTB with intercooler and oil to cool the drivetrain????....come on Switzerland guys... you make the amazing watches and chocolate, don't try to reinvent the wheel with this crappy ideas
  • + 4
 I wont be buying it , but I like the design
  • + 3
 I like it for the unique design and the shock sits deep in the frame, close to the bottom bracket, what I like too.
  • + 0
 Who needs to check sag anyway
and 29" to 27.5+? you can kiss your carbon cranks goodbye after running 27.5+ and smashing your cranks into rocks by lowering your BB too much, or is it that the BB is super high when running 29"?
  • + 1
 Not that I like this bike, but they probably incorporate something similar to the sag meter found on the evil following

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  • + 1
 The diameter of a proper 3 inch width 650B tire can equal that of an 2.1 inch 700C tire. So no change in BB height. WTB's first 2.8 width plus tire was deliberately made "small" so as to allow quicker conversions/adoption from existing 29er owners and brands with 29er models, it was not in any way the optimal size to really exploit what's possible.
  • + 4
 Oooooh so that's how it works.
  • + 1
 I love the idea of enclosed suspension due to the fact that I hate cleaning my bike. Air flow...maybe, but dirt and mud are going to get in there which may make for more cleaning in the long run. Overall love the design!!
  • + 1
 How often do you end up cleaning mud off the FRONT of the head tube really?
  • + 1
 Sick looking bike!! Question: how accessible is the shock? Say I wanted to adjust psi or compression or something, how are would it be to get at the shock?
  • + 1
 148?!?! Get real DT. How is 1mm off the sides of a 150mm hub change the stiffness of a wheel? Or and extra 3mm on each end of a 'standard' 142 mm hub? What a load of shit.
  • + 2
 may be perfect bike for winter? no more snow and ice stuck on shock or linkages..
  • + 1
 headtube gseht vo vohre uus wie en schwiizerchääs mit Löcher... de bruchsch no wattestäbli zum die Löcher weder butze...
  • + 1
 chast au wasser inne sprützä
dä dräck söt unne wieder usse cho
  • + 1
 Wheels too big and a shit hub standard. It's a big fat no from me. Fancy video though. Especially liked the dramatic glitchy noises. kcchhhhssseeeerrrrPUNK.
  • + 2
 I GET IT NOW, THE INTERNAL SUSPENTION WAS ALL A WAY TO HAVE MORE WATER BOTTLE CAGES! SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
  • + 0
 If their trail bike is called the Linkin Trail... will their park bike be called... Linkin Park...

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/61930754.jpg
  • + 1
 That seems really interesting, I like it. At the same time... motocross and enduro motorbikes getting tons of dirt on their shocks...
  • + 1
 Anyone remember Maverick bikes? They had an integrated rear shock.

Also, thank RC that its boost 148. The frame couldn't take the stress of an internal shock otherwise.
  • + 1
 Of course we do (and Klein Palomino too). Integrated but not hidden.
  • + 1
 Interesting, but it looks like the shock will be a bitch to install/remove.
  • + 1
 Looks cool, but lost me at the 27.5+. Looks like a pain to wipe the rear shock down.
  • + 1
 Now i can see that there is no way to flip my propedal switch.. and its boost.. F that
  • + 1
 does it come with a Dremel to cut a hole in the frame to fit a piggyback shock??
  • + 1
 Looks pretty solid, can't wait to see a review about this internal shock system to see if it really worth...
  • + 1
 Very interesting... but with everything else internal, why'd they run the dropper cable external?
  • + 1
 Lost me when the DT- Swiss shock floated into the frame. Cool looking bike though.
  • + 1
 I like the idea, but agree too much crap would get in
  • + 1
 Already happy with open shox on my Bronson Wink
  • + 1
 Wait, so they grow the frames?
  • + 1
 is it just me or does there seem to be a lot of exposed seatpost?
  • + 2
 No thanks
  • + 1
 Looks cool, but I like to see the mechanics of the bike.
  • + 1
 Keep the shock hole lubed and ready for insertion.
  • + 1
 that is soo sick
  • + 0
 Looks like a giant anthem
  • + 3
 As an owner of an anthem, i can clearly see you're blind
  • + 1
 Peak? Peek.
  • + 0
 Ruined by wheels that are too big.
  • + 0
 I was stoked on finally getting to ride a bike with proper sized wheels!

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