Cedric Gracia Questions if Something is Wrong with Rampage - Video

Oct 23, 2017 at 14:04
by Pinkbike Staff  

Cedric was involved in the event during the early days and is concerned with seeing it turn into a slopestyle event, rather than a true big mountain freeride event. Are his concerns valid, or is building more jumps and throwing bigger tricks the natural progression of freeride?





180 Comments

  • + 145
 I gotta say, last year, Bearclaw had a mind-blowing big mountain line and (iirc) got last place out of everybody that put together a complete run. I think it’s ok to add points for tricks but I can’t understand why his line wasn’t worth more points.
  • + 104
 I both agree and disagree. His run was sick. Honestly I think pretty well all the runs at Rampage are sick. However, here is the link to his line: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYFqlQ78BHA . It's crazy, but compare that the other end of the spectrum with Semenuk's run here: www.redbull.com/int-en/red-bull-rampage-2016-top-3-runs. Both runs have been worked in from top to bottom but Semenuk's has some huge jumps thrown in as well. In terms of competition format, big mountain competition, of which Rampage is basically the only one, has evolved into somewhat sculpted lines instead of raw sending it. I honestly don't think it's a bad thing, it's just different.

Also, the argument of saying less dig time but more safety for riders seems contradictory. The more time you can put into a line means that a crazy drop or section can be made a little more safe. Is this really a bad thing when the riders are sending 40ft, 50ft, 60ft+ drops? Not in my opinion. "It's too smooth." Really? Too smooth a lip and landing on a 60ft send and where crashing on either side means death? Better to leave a few rocks that could throw them off line right before?

Cedric's drop at 1:50..insane! How the hell did he hold onto that? But there is barely a landing and he bashes down so hard, it's not a sustainable way to have a contest. THAT is how people get wrecked. but now they shape the lip and landing and it's what...tame? Rampage was crazy then, and it's still crazy now.
  • + 10
 @juicebanger: You pretty much hit the nail on the head on all of that. In my opinion Cedric stomping Bourdo's drop was one of the most impressive things done in the competition's history because he was basically landing on single track, not a formed landing. The crashes Bourdo and Lance Canfield (I think it was him) took the year before made it seem like it was impossible to ride away without more serious work to the landing.

I completely agree with Cedric on the point that I really hope the judges don't award more for tricks but rather gnarly lines but either way, I'm not going to be disappointed. RAMPAGEEEEEE
  • + 26
 @juicebanger: freeriding is in essence riding freely on untouched terrain. That's why he said "keep it natural".
  • + 10
 you have to think also that riders have huge amount of input on progression of rampage. if they wanted it untouched and natural they would keep it that way. but sculpting and creating lines out of natural terrain is also a much respected skill and seeing these riders not only hit ridiculously risky features but knowing that they made it in a week showcases these riders' creative sides
  • + 14
 Tricks should only be worth 10% imo. Make it about size, and the line.
  • + 141
 WHAT IF... they didn't show the judge scores until the end of all of the runs? Once everyone finishes their first run, they reveal the scores. Once everyone finishes their second run, they reveal the scores. It would allow riders to focus on doing their best run each time without the distraction of seeing other people's points. I think the real-time judging is a solid buzzkill for spectators and riders alike.
  • + 9
 @thinkbike: I think you’re onto something here
  • + 9
 @thinkbike: Dude! That totally should happen!
  • + 6
 @thinkbike: Absolutely. The judging is so out of wack. The riders deserve a fair system considering they are quite literally risking their lives.
  • + 50
 @konarrider2007: Hello other pinkbike user with embarrassing name.
  • - 3
 @thinkbike: Where have riders said they're distracted by other peoples' scores? Last I checked, the riders have always had a plan from the beginning and they stick to it regardless of the points awarded.
  • + 4
 @scott-townes: why does Fest Series exist? Save the real-time judging format for slopestyle. The scores could be announced at the awards ceremony so nobody would know who actually "won" until it is all over. A format like that would put a fresh separation between the riding and judging. It would also add weight to viewer's choice and rider's choice voting which is announced at the end.
  • + 4
 @DrStairs Tricks can be shown for 1-3 seconds on promo clips, and general public is going to be WOAH!!!!
Lines are only understood by people who actually ride, and the footage does not have the same value for advertisers.

Redbull is running the game and they want SPECTACULAAR footage to feed to general public and make advertisers interested.

Good, bad? I don't know. But it is not the same thing as the original Rampage.
This is a package for mass consumption.
  • + 0
 @thinkbike: Fest series has always been a jam session format. Rampage has always been a run scoring format. Again I ask, where did any rider say another person's score affected their run? All the riders have their runs planned out which doesn't change because so-and-so scored a 90. Personally I feel like its a completely pointless idea.
  • + 9
 A few years back, Brendawg hits some billy goat line that I doubt anyone else there could hit (it is what it is), gaps a canyon and gets 8th. A few guys dead sailor most of their run, do one trick off a big drop and presto, podiums and higher rankings. the whole thing IS becoming a slope-style event for the fact that runs like that aren't rewarded, but running the ridge line to do one large man made feature is. it's getting smoother, and I think that's CG's issue, not the tricks as much as the course itself.
  • + 4
 @juicebanger: Sorry everybody, looking back on footage and results, I was thinking of Doerfling’s run. He had that rad chute, but wasn’t even featured in the nbc coverage and got that really low score. Worst yet, I can’t find his run anywhere to remember how rad it was. I guess I was thinking of the Claw because they were both earlier riders who started on the same side of the mountain, it’s just that Claw was on my mind after that Tatshenshini feature.
  • + 4
 @thinkbike: Yes - This would also eliminate the part of Rampage where the camera is thrust into the rider's face (who may or may not be stoked about their run) while the judges tally the score. This would save time between runs and decrease the risk of changing conditions (like wind) over time. It might also open up time for replays, analysis of line choice/amplitude/skill/speed/etc, and panoramic/drone shots of the venue. Thinkbike has some ideas.
  • + 3
 I think Cedric is awesome just like most people do. Klassen, Simmons, Schley. They're all gods. A thought occured to me. I think it would be a safe bet that any of the current crop of Rampage athletes could probably stomp the lines that the guys rode in previous years. Im wondering, all things being equal, if those competitiors from previous years would be able to ride the lines that the current competitors are carving out?
  • + 3
 @DrStairs: I think he and Aggy did the same top section right? They were ripping by the bottom and yeah, that was so damn sick. Doerfling is right up there with what I would consider the top true-to-the-soul freeriders with his chutes and crazy natural lines.
  • + 5
 @rockin-itis: You're going to love this. Check out Cam Zink in Where the Trail Ends sending Tyler Klassin's winning line in 2002 (mainly the massive drop which has since gotten bigger from erosion) but linking it into the Bender Sender hucking a backflip (the stepdown that gave Strait the win in 2004 with a no-hander). Its incomprehensible how much progression has taken place in the past 15 years.
  • + 1
 @thinkbike: Someone forward this to someone that can seriously consider making it so!
  • + 2
 @SHARCRASH: #MakeRampageGreatAgain
  • + 1
 @juicebanger: They did and the line this year by Zink, Strait and Pierre joins into that one but they start a lot higher up. I'm surprised Doerfling didn't place better with that run especially considering most were thinking Aggy would have won if he stomped that 3. The judges for a while now have seemed to favor more of a "balanced" run with tricks, fluidity and a gnarly line vs. just a gnar line done well.
  • + 1
 @scott-townes: doerfling cases that long skipper after the chute both runs
  • + 79
 Seeing the preview vids, and seeing that most riders are mostly doing the same lines as last year, I'm not remotely excited any more. I have started to go off it a little bit. It's still a spectacle to some degree, but it's definitely not going in the direction I'd like it to - only my personal preference obvs - In a perfect world it'd be a new place every year, scratching in new lines, no sand bags. Only a few days digging at most. It should be about an exciting creative route down the mountain. Not who can do the most backflips.
  • + 6
 It's tailored to the masses. The masses want massive back flips and 369s. I agree, it's lost its mystique for me. Not a must watch any more, but if it was raw big open natural lines with no tricks, I would feel like that even moreso. It's time to think of something new. Extreme cliff jumping on bikes, into water. Something like that.
  • + 9
 Sandbags gave them massive opportunities for incredible lines last year
  • + 6
 @jaame: I must respectfully disagree with everything that you've said. Except 369s. Speaking as a representative of "the masses", I love 369s the most.
  • + 22
 3 69’s? Nice.
  • + 6
 Exactly. Line choice, air time and a bit of style is what should count. As impressive as it is to see them pull some of these tricks, they should be left to slopestyle events.
  • + 2
 @Allen82: a question for you guys. Can they get bigger air if they are not tricking? I was of the understanding that if they can fly it, they can trick it. It's not like, they could jump 30% longer if they just straight aired, is it? Or is it?
  • + 6
 @jaame: 369 is the dirtjumpers top bedroom move!
  • + 2
 I prefer a daisy chain.
  • + 2
 I dunno, speaking as a spectator, the steep shoots these boys are going for these days are absolutely incredible and exactly what want to see. The Zink/Strait/PEF line this year, Zink's run from 2015, Nico Vink's beast of a roll/drop line from 2015. Add to that the creative gnarly drop lines from Semenuk, Aggy, Lacondaguy etc. and I don't see much to complain about in terms of a big mountain competition. So long as points are awarded both for natural tech and for amplitude/tricks--maybe biased towards the former--the athletes can figure out the best approach is to sculpting the line in terms of smoothness and safety.
  • + 77
 Thanks Cedric for putting me in the podium pronostics!! Im ok with everything but dont hate tricks too much please. Our sport evolved so much and I think a sick line down with MX style, high speed & big drops is sick, but if we have it good then why not add tricks?! its cooler I think! I had two tricks in my run last year, I think it was not enought and I’ll try to add a few this year! Im a mix of freerider and slopestyler, and hopefully Im gonna make a freestylerrrrr run to the bottom on Friday! And I have the biggest drop I ever built in my line too! (Ps: I just made myself a pinkbike account!)
Peace pinkbike!
  • + 17
 Good luck Antoine. Ride safe, just like your mumma told ya to Smile
  • + 26
 You're a brave man! Not so much for rampage as for venturing into the pinkbike comments...
Salute
  • + 1
 Tu vas gagner mec. Freeslope leur la gueule pour nous!
  • + 1
 Allez Antoine!
  • + 2
 I think Cedric jinxed your score mate. This is Rampage Evolution. Rampage ended in 2004. I know they are aiming to get back to the roots by ditching the wood but for one of the guys who introduced tricks and began slopestyle to want greater differentiation between the two is weird. Bummed your line didn't work out up top as you hoped but it was still sick as and deserved a better score. I hope the love from the fans will bring you back next year.
  • + 2
 The judging was more or less random this year. Don't take too much notice...
  • + 42
 Sorry that i have to say this but Slopestyle has killed Rampage IMO don't get me wrong about this,I still love the Rampage but i like it even more when they don't do so many tricks just sending it big and gnarly like in the old days of Rampage.
  • + 7
 I feel your anger, but how the hell could it progress without slopestyle? Without tricks, riders would have to get up to the top, pedal to speed, and huck 300' drops to the finish line? Riders are so skilled now.... last time I was blown away was McGazzza flipping the canyon. I'd have to call that run perfection. It was steep, fast, BIG, and had slopestyle stunts... I'd love to see a teeter-toder that dumps Seminuk into a huge drop he'd probably flip. I just don't see how it could progress without tricks.
  • + 8
 @nuttypoolog: doesn’t have to be no tricks. The judges can bring it back to its roots by marking down a guy who built a lip specifically to do a SS trick that he can pull all day long provided he has the right jump. Mark down the spin to win crowd and they’ll have to rethink. The judges need to decide whether what’s been ridden is in the true spirit of freeride Razz or whether they’ve just sculpted a slope style jump in order to bust a 720 double bar or whatever.
  • + 14
 @nuttypoolog: have to disagree with you mate. I do shit loads of ski, especially Freeride, if you look at the current Freeride WC you see guys with massive skills scaling down crazy mountain faces. Some will send some tricks, most won't but lines are gnarly and you would never see them digging for 2 weeks to dumb down the mountain in order to be able to send a trick instead of just a tech drop. That's what the rampage should be otherwise if the mountain if so modified its not freeride anymore, slopestyle/back-country freestyle at most.
  • + 3
 @Balgaroth: nailed it.
  • + 1
 @Balgaroth: Well, THAT I agree with. I wasn't saying the hill should look like a smooth, steep slope course. Just saying riders use the tricks to raise the bar.
  • + 7
 @Balgaroth: true, but snow is soft and apart from when you're messing about with a rocky ridge you can pretty much land upside down in the pow without choosing any particular spot and you'll be more or less ok. Different kettle of fish.
  • + 2
 @nuttypoolog: Exactly. I like that they cut back on the man made features, but you can't "remove" the tricks from a contest. If all else is equal in two runs, and 1 run has a back-flip over a jump that the second run just straight-aired, would you disqualify the back-flip run?
  • + 1
 Perhaps due credit (and points) should be given for tricks and technicality but BONUS points given for originality, gradient, general freeride gnarliness? Rather than downplay the slope tricks just promote OG freeride values.
I guess as has been said the trouble is the whole event including the judging has to meet the expectation of a wide audience and not just riders who’ll pick apart every run from a totally different perspective to the general public. I like Cams insight, maybe they should do an aftershow with him and the riders for the riders where they can discuss each other’s runs and the radness and details that we all want. Like An Extra Slice or It Takes Two Razz
  • + 26
 I don't mind it if this is the way the sport/event is going to evolve, I just find it ridiculous how everyone complained so much about the wood features they used to build because they weren't natural, but the same people/riders have no issue with guys showing up and building take offs and landings that otherwise wouldn't exist out of sand bags. Or riders spending days chipping away at a rock faces to gain access to a new line. Being made of or covered in dirt does not make something natural. None of this shit is "natural".
  • + 4
 Appeal to nature fallacy. Google it.
  • + 5
 I think in this case the word "natural" is a shorthand for the line that divides Slopestyle contests from Rampage. No need to get hung up on semantics. That line is pretty clearly defined by modifying the existing terrain with shovels and rakes vs. bringing in outside materials and constructing features. That may be difficult to put into written rules, but rider/builders know what the difference is, and they should be the ones to decide what happens as a group on site.
  • + 3
 Exactly, I don't think half these people even know they are arguing for ......they basically want a race with big 50ft drops
  • + 23
 Yea sure...he's right I guess. What people seem to forget is there is no money in raw lines...the non-mtb pubic can't comprehend raw steep lines...double backflip is a double backflip no matter if you're a bike rider or if you're Joe the plumber sitting on your couch. Red Bull cares about dollars...to get those dollars they need eyeballs. The more widely seen the more eyeballs...it will only be widely seen if its slopestyle-like...we all know its gnarly...but the camera never does it justice.
  • + 12
 You nailed it. The TV audience doesn't understand raw, gnarly lines. That is one of the things that killed tv coverage of downhill racing in the late 90's. The steep, gnarly sections just looked slow (having camera crews from ball sports didn't help either). Had a long conversation with Jurgen Beneke about this in 1999, "the US TV viewer understands (and wants) three things, high speed, big air and crashes.

Redbull is in it for the money, and the more tv viewers the more money.

Sad, as I prefer the sketchy big mountain lines and not seeing people kill themselves!
  • + 2
 Sad but true
  • + 1
 @nvranka: Look at the new video series with Cam trying to make it digestible...so smart and pushes even further away IMO.
  • + 20
 I think it has more to do with how the riders ride than how the event is run. Riders have gotten significantly more flowy and skilled in tricks than they used to. I go to rampage every year, the drops are just as big and sketch, the riders are just getting smoother... I work for one of the companies that helps with set up and I got to stand on top of multiple lines from past years last week, and it is completely insane.
  • + 3
 Devil's advocate here:

Is it the riders getting smoother or the lines being built smoother? Discuss.
  • + 3
 @orientdave: go ahead and tell Kyle Strait he's getting smooth and soft. Your funeral.
  • + 2
 @orientdave: I'd say both, riders are definitely getting smoother and going bigger, which in turn requires more work done to the jumps and landings. One pushes the other to evolve, the circle of shred!
  • + 3
 @dirtnapped: Do you understand what "Devil's advocate" means?

"In common parlance, the term devil's advocate describes someone who, given a certain point of view, takes a position he or she does not necessarily agree with (or simply an alternative position from the accepted norm), for the sake of debate or to explore the thought further. Despite being ancient, this idiomatic expression is one most popular present-day English idioms used to express the concept of arguing against something without actually being committed to the contrary view."
  • + 2
 It's the bikes.......@orientdave:
  • + 4
 @orientdave: holding two opposing opinions at the same time and still functioning is a sign of prime intelligence... as long as you realize that they actually are opposing opinions. I love this duality stuff... and then the necessity of singularity in order to move forward.

Truth. The truth is dead. We killed it. Cedric is cool.
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Schrodinger's cat was named 'Truth'.
  • + 4
 Couldn't agree more. I got to stand at some of the drops the year Zink spun the Oakley and I was shocked at how big and blind everything was. Let them have their big smooth landings. The risk versus monetary reward isn't even close to what it should be. We are fortunate these riders keep coming back year after year.
  • + 3
 @WAKIdesigns: Mais bien sur.

The singularity that is my family requires at least 2 if not 3 opposing opinions otherwise we get nowhere!! Usually that requires me to drag the singularity out of the mud of the opposing opinions, but we get there in the end!

The truth is out there, but it is still far behind its two siblings 'rumour' and 'ignorance', who got a head start apparently and are in no mood to slow down.
  • + 19
 Just watched the tatshenshini movie that was all big mountain lines and awesome to watch. Was a red bull production so kudos to them for funding that as well as the competitions. Rampage is what it is, and the guys riding it are beyond brave, it'll be great to watch but it's competion and judged on spectacle for TV so the tricks translate. At least with things like the movie and hardline red bull are investing in a variety of different things within the sport and providing a platform for different stuff. Think it's really easy to criticise big companies who are obviously out to make money but it's given us all some great things to watch
  • + 19
 really agree with him and claw on their ideas on what rampage should be
  • + 12
 a bit ironic coming from the first guy to backflip during a rampage run... Feels like a natural progression to add more tricks, and the steepness and size of any one of these lines is still crazy and the biggest and steepest are absolutely unbelievable. I do think the judging could be biased a bit more towards technicality and amplitude than tricks, though
  • + 2
 Judging did not disappoint. Robbery was committed
  • + 12
 Have to say I agree with CG. There are plenty of slopestyle competitions if thats your thing. This is supposed to be about crazy lines down crazy mountains. Not about bmx tricks on a mountain bike.
  • + 1
 But only one super slopestyle comp on DH bikes in nine knights and the coverage is poor compared to Rampage. I want a trick format suited to 6 and 7inch travel bikes like old slopestyle. The big mountain guys won and it was an awesome show. Those who stepped outside their personal comfort zones were rewarded and those who might have ridden better but within what we know they can do were not. A bit unfair but those top ten runs were so close you need some way to separate them.
  • + 11
 I think Gracia is spot on here. Really looking forward to watching this later this week - Fingers crossed all the riders stay safe, and I would like to see the classic "big mountain" lines, or line where riders have clearly put a lot of creativity into the build scored well.
  • + 9
 On one hand, you have guys like Cedric who are (correctly) saying that just tricking a bunch of jumps isn't what Rampage is all about.

But on the other hand, people are concerned (correctly) that as the natural lines get bigger, more exposed, and more dangerous every year, the risk of serious injuries becomes too high.

If the progression of Rampage is through tricks, the safety aspect is easier to manage, but it eventually just turns into a slopestyle event. But if the progression of Rampage is through upping the ante on natural line choice, sooner or later, someone's going to f*cking die. Both options pretty much suck.
  • + 28
 Last 3 years its felt like someone was going to die...I kinda hate it honestly...the dudes just don't seem that amped...its always windy somehow and seems like the risk is too high to be worth it. I don't really care who wins...I just hope nobody gets hurt
  • + 2
 @MikeyMT: so true. FEST is the new rampage
  • + 2
 @MikeyMT: This. I hate seeing guys crash hard and rag doll down the hill. I'll probably watch the winning runs after the event. But I can't watch the live stream, I don't want to see another crash like Aggy's last year.
  • + 2
 Agree completely, there's only so large/gnarly of shit you can feasibly hit with a reasonable chance of success. I love seeing these riders pushing the boundaries of the sport, after all that is what top level competition is all about. But I really don't want to see someone die
  • + 11
 I agree with CG. double back flips are cool, but shouldn't land you on the podium if the rest of your line isn't top notch gnar. All of the landings are smooth mega ramps.
  • + 7
 I think more tricks and stuff these days is because nowadays the pros can flip a 20m gap! Nobody was even thinking about that 10-15 years ago. There are more trick now cuz of progression of the sport!

People does flatdrop backflips also on same size drops as they rode back then. So i dont really see the point with the things cg says. Or should they just do deadsailors over all gaps to make it look "harder" and more like back then.... no.
  • + 9
 Maybe the solution is to reduce the allowed build time and diggers. Remove the features and lines that take so long to build up and force people just to ride raw lines.
  • + 7
 I think there is a lack of appreciation for the exposure and technical nature of getting from the top to the bottom of Rampage. Just look back at Claudio riding the easiest line down Rampage and nearly crying from fear. It is the combination of that exposure and the big ass jumps +/- tricks that makes Rampage rad. It will never be slope style. Slope style has no knife edge ridges, no cliffs and no canyon gaps. Rampage in whatever form it comes is the biggest, baddest thing on 2 wheels. And a few back flips won’t change that.

Be Safe.
  • + 7
 Cedric - EWS doping and now Rampage format issues. What is his longterm strategy? Build up his youtube viewers or actual policy changes?
  • + 9
 He always been saying the same things about rampage, and he is not the only one. Props to him to talk about doping, as an insider. Another road rider- who was disqualified for doping- ended up writing a book about doping, this is in the early 2000's, and he explain everything about motors and motors in wheels. He was labeled as a liar etc etc... 15 years after, it must be clear to everyone who follows road racing why Froome and team sky in particular, often change bikes before the mountains. CG could care less to build YouTube viewers as he makes plenty of money with his profession outside mtbking. He has everything to loose doing this, including denied access to events and dropped sponsors. He does it because he wants to speak out.
  • + 10
 Yeah I don't think Cedric is the kind of guy to look at a longterm strategy mate
  • + 6
 @dirtologist: His faux-MTV Cribs video of his house: "Why do you think I have my bed at such an odd height?"
  • + 3
 @RedRedRe: This, he has always been a straight shooter, and believed in the events as they were created i.e. not modified later due to trends - sush as slopestyles influence on Rampage etc.

I think he is valid, and its lame to make it a "Trick-off" vs. a who has the bigger Balls to do some crazy FREERIDE lines!
  • + 1
 @RedRedRe: Sorry, what?

"Froome and team sky in particular, often change bikes before the mountains".

Really?
I watched the TDF and Giro this year, and if they ever did that, I missed it.
Contador used to change bikes sometimes, but even if he or they did, are you suggesting they are mechanical doping in that way? If so, you really need evidence to say that.
  • + 1
 @orientdave: I recall watching previous TDF's where in the individual time trials that had a hilly section, some riders, not all, and from differing teams, would change bikes at the bottom of the hill, then back onto the original TT bike at the top. The two bikes were discernibly different, i.e. the TT bike being full aero, big knee-crusher gears, and the hill bike being your standard triple triangle with reasonable gears.

Changing of bikes before the hill climbs does still occur, but I doubt that the change in bikes is to one that is mechanically doped, other than the hill bike has some easier gears and is much likely lighter all around.

Mechanical doping is much easier to detect than human doping, and now that the UCI has had their pants pulled down at the CX world champs over the mechanically doped bike there, they are looking out for them in earnest. All it takes is a heat sensor, and failing that, you pull the seat post out. Easy to check versus someone that is blood doping back at the team hotel and putting oxygenated blood back into their system to recover faster.
  • + 1
 @orientdave: do you watch all stages start to end?
If you watch on awful Eurosport, they are not going to mention bike changes, especially because Eurosport is on the Sky TV network/payroll.

What evidence do I need to prove? If you have been following cycling for a long time it is pretty obvious who has extra "boost", many details give it away i.e. the line some team members take on uphill steep ramps, change the bike and from having a bad day you catch people 1 min in front of you etc... It is mainly one team with 8-10 times the budget of any other team.
  • + 3
 Really ?

It's not some random dude you are talking about.
The guy has been there, done that (Rampage and EWS).
He his 100% legit and has the right to express a point of view without douchebags suggesting manipulation to get more views.
Plus, as far as I can see he doesn't even monetize his Youtube channel.
On the other hands, random guys making stupid statements like yours are definitely out of line.
  • + 0
 @RedRedRe:
"What evidence do I need to prove?".

Nothing at all if you don't mind not being taken seriously.
  • + 5
 "We used to this, we used to that" is the enemy of progress.

I have a lot of respect for CG, as a person and I rider and he has some good points, but I cannot stand that attitude.

For the sport to get the TV Coverage to up the Prize $ (which is most people seem to want), the riders need to be pushing it, unfortunately this is a sport where bad shit can happen very quickly.
  • + 2
 Yeah, i heard a lot of "we used too"s" in that video too. Well, we used travel around by horse and buggy too. And later on, ride bicycles without helmets. I don't see or hear anyone sitting around, pining for those days. its called progression, cant stop it. Embrace it and give props to PAST and presents riders/competitors/athletes or don't watch it. JMO
  • + 4
 Claw has always kept the Mountain in biking with his line choices and creative building. Cedric has a point its not a slopestyle event, the lines for some of these guys have gotten about as smooth as what you find on a slopestyle course...I also do not agree that these guys are re-riding the same lines from last year.
  • + 3
 I will watch rampage how ever it comes. Huge lips lots of flips or fast huge Mtn bombing. Our sport is evolving, bikes are changing as long as know one takes a knee, I will always watch in amazement of the stupid huge air these guys bring to screen. Yaaal are nuts....\m/
  • + 2
 @flyr: Thanks... true that!
  • + 3
 Rampage looked a like a game of lemmings in the beginning. Bouncing around the place looking all out of shape, never knowing if they would make it to the bottom wheels down. Even if they landed cleanly, the rebound on the shocks would make sure it all looked sketchy as fuck... To me, it seemed more of a clown show back in the day. But, it's been serious as hell the last 9 years or so, as gear and skills have improved. It's a way more respectable event, which doesn't mean it isn't extreme AF. Come on, it will never be slopestyle and we've never truly been disappointed by anything other than the wind and the commentators at Rampage. The judging is another debate. It doesn't change what everyone sees with their own eyes and feels deep down. Can't fucking wait.
  • + 2
 Sports progress and riders progress. Let's also not forget, that bearclaw got into the MTB world, by doing supermans and 360s off drops and gaps at his first rampage. I'm sure there was people moaning and groaning about it back then, but he changed the world of MTB by bringing in those tricks. Claw has obviously changed gears in his career since then, and focuses on natural lines. Rampage has always been a canvas for riders from all disciplines to show their skill and creativity. Racers, free riders, hukers and slopestylers have all had thier time in the spotlight at Rampage, and there aren't many other events out there that are like that. I think the MTB world should be great full for what these riders are doing, and show respect for how hard they work and the risks they are taking, just to put on a show for us mortals.
  • + 2
 I think we all like the way the event is going and how it had evolved through the years.. But it will definitely be an interesting thing to watch all these guys going through raw natural terrain and see how they perform without so much building on the lines! Obviously all the slopestyle tricks attract more viewers and get more people hooked into the sport as it is really impressive what these guys do at such altitude and narrow lines, but I hope to see the event evolving right back to its origin and see these athletes riding on raw natural terrain!
  • + 2
 I understand the argument, and I agree in a lot of ways. The heart of this event is big mountain riding with little trail work. I love the older years where the struggle was riding on a mountain without a trail and sculpted jumps.

However, I do like the idea of the longer, more sculpted lines. It still starts as a blank canvas, and the competition revolves around how the rider interprets the canvas. What I think should happen (in a perfect world) is there should be TWO events. They could be called "Rampage" and "Rampage RAW" where in raw your not allowed the sculpt or build, the more classic idea of rampage. That would allow more riders to compete, and show off obviously different skill sets between the two competitions.
  • + 4
 FWT skiing/snowboarding...NO skier/rider preps his/her line...they just slay the mountain in its natural state...or crash trying...just saying.
  • + 1
 Rampage venue looks like a freakin slopestylecourse... Cedric was correct posting this. Watching the practice session.. Cam Mccaul is going commercial crushing Cedrics post with politicly correct "framing" comments... must be thinking about his retirement plan already. #manmadelinesarenotfreeridelines
  • + 1
 I agree with Cedric somewhat, but I do miss the built features, Oakley sender and the Canyon Gap, sounds contradictory BUT they gave consistency in judging.

Great to watch riders creating natural lines to link them or not, then the anticipation of what level of the sender they’d launch or if they’d trick the Canyon Gap was a highlight, gave everyone a chance to compete against each other on the same features. Not just hey this is my line you can’t use it. Then nothing’s consistent to either judge from, or build the anticipation of one upping the previous competitor.

This would help bring back some consistent competition in it
  • + 2
 I love the 'Big Mountain' stuff, where just doing the gap or drop is insane. Though the epic moments are when someone goes 'next level' and tricks the gap/drop everyone is having trouble just doing.....
  • + 1
 Hate to say it, but you just sound old, Cedric. Instead of supporting how things are progressing you just sound like an old codger that doesn't want things to change or says it's not as good as it used to be. This is a bit ironic coming from somebody that was so progressive and pushed things. It bums me out because Cedric is probably one of my all-time favorite riders. Oh well, no harm done. I prefer old Jane's Addiction way more than their newer stuff because the old stuff is more pure. LOL
  • + 1
 @redre.. Or whatever. long live cg. road racing is by far the most corrupt, badass sport including all types of fighting. That is why I love it so much. it is the best. Go cg. All the pussyfooters should get a real life . I love pb comment section it is hilarious. I hope you all enjoyed my participation
  • + 1
 Maybe if it was half downhill riders v's half slopestyle it would be more interesting. The slopestyle riders have been dominating for sometime now and their tricks look more impressive to novices than some of the steep, tech lines that others use. I think RedBull are just trying to appeal to as many viewers as possible rather than staying true to freeride.
  • + 1
 Redbull just wants big jumps so that they can attract the crowds.
Most DH WC events organisers can tell you that (and if they disagree, they are lying and chose to do so)
MTB is big mountain, I like jumps but shouldn't be Joyride, freeride event
  • + 1
 Completely agree but I think it is just how things will progress. You can take Freeride World Series for example. Those guys and girls take crazy lines, but Travis Rice entered once, threw a couple spins in and won with a 90+ score. Not the most technical ride (yes it was sick) but still showed how elite his skills were.
  • + 1
 In my opinion CG has some fair points because some of the riders have the gnarliest lines but don't finish high in the standings but to speculate that it's becoming a slopestyle contest is wrong because if it was all about the tricks riders would ride there slope bikes.
  • + 1
 Dammnit! why is it that slope guys & or athletes are being forced to ride rampage anyway. Isn't it that rampage is a BIG MOUNTAIN & RACING in the first place?? Why not require those World Cup Racers to compete at Rampage too and stop complaining about how tricks are being judged at Rampage.
  • + 1
 Hmmmmm... Riders take the risk. They KNOW what they are doing. Not to cheapen life, skiers, boarders, mtn climbers literally die by the dozens every year. They KNOW what they are doing. Despite your worthless opinion, they aren't doing it for the money. Let's see big natural lines. Negate me to oblivion
  • + 1
 Is that any standard of points percentage such as line choices or amplitude and tricks more likely a slopestyle events
If some rider has good skill of handling on technical steep course VS rider has a good skill of tricks and style but on flowy lines?
  • + 1
 How many people on this board making comments have even one testicle to throw a leg over a bike at the top of Rampage let alone make it to the bottom, in one piece, on said bike? Yeah, run on sentence but seriously, madd props to ALL athletes at Rampage for getting to that event and competing. Me personally, I'd be shittin' my britches in the truck, looking out the window at that "course". Haha
  • + 1
 I like tricks, big jump, and crazy drop, but I want to see them ride gnarly line and rocky terrain in between. Now everything is iron out between jumps, it's true that it just look like crankworks. the space between the jump is just there to ramp up speed for the next one. It's still a great event, but I agree that a little more natural terrain would make it even more impressive.
  • + 1
 Progression?? at Rampage?? You guys just huck it big time just like the way it was since 2001 with or without tricks. Why not just ban or ignore all tricks totally on the scores if everyone is complaining if it's not important to rampage event.
  • + 1
 I attend event frequently and yes jumps and drops are getting bigger but it shouldn't be about how smooth you land or ride but simply about who went the biggest. Events not supposed to be about flow but how technical, and big.
  • + 4
 Tricks are for kids...Rampage is for the big mountain men. #slopestyledoesntbelongatrampage
  • + 1
 New geometry,better suspension better tires,”better “riders or more refine ones,and still they want a more made lines and courses,well I guess that’s business ,a shame but it is what it is ,good luck to all keep it safe.
  • + 4
 Why doesn't he just put the camera down and then talk? Would be so much easier on the eyes.
  • + 1
 I just want to say thanks Redbull for creating the event in the first place, 12 years strong. I'm sure we can all agree with that, but big slopestyle tricks being a good or bad addition to Rampage will be a debate with no end...
  • + 4
 Cedric's bedroom is like something out of a drug lords house.
  • + 0
 Red Bull Flugtag -------------------Red Bull Rampage -----------------------------------------------Red Bull District Ride It seems most viewers want Rampage to sit more closely on the spectrum to an event like Flugtag, where riders throw themselves off cliffs with reckless abandon. You say this, but you don't embrace Bender for all he's done for freeride. Progression comes at the cost of your antiquated views of what freeride actually is. Calculated risks and organization are the future, and you just can't have these things with natural freeride.
  • + 3
 I cannot get over his ears tucked in his hat.....making me itchy. Good points though........but, everything changes.
  • + 1
 I like the idea of holding the event at different locations, keep Rampage BIG mountain Knarly lines and big drops, Big tricks for slopstyle, maybe make a series out of it, 2 big mountain and 2 slopestyle events (maybe)
  • + 4
 Will we see a video of some dude rollerblading the rampage track?
  • - 1
 I would like to Redbull come up with some new competition. Something like: grab 10 rides. Abduct them one for one. Drop them on top of a mountain. Give them a GPS with height meter. And tell them. get as quickly as possible below 500 meters. Good luck! Time starts now. See who can decent a random mountain the quickest. You can go every direction you want. Just get below 500 meters.

Go old skool 'riding without a set course on natural terrain'. In the movie Riding the Tatshenshini they also just drop guys on top of mountain and let him find his way down. Super cool

But I already know Redbull hates ideas like this. It's not TV friendly. They can not instal camera's on people doing a random stuff on a mountain(bike).

Personally I'm not a big fan of tricks but it's natural Rampage goes that way. Bikes got better and riders got better. You see the same with Redbull hardline. When track was new a couple of years ago, people where crashing like crazy. I was just the hardest thing ever. You watch this year. People just ride it pretty smooth without huge problems. They figure out the track, figure out the bike set-up etc etc.
  • + 4
 100% agreed
  • + 1
 Watched this with no sound and the captions, had to turn the sound on about 37 seconds in to see what he was actually saying. Nice CC work YouTube Ha
  • + 2
 But, without slopestyle/bike park runs, how are we supposed to use #ionlyridepark?
  • + 3
 Wait, didn't Cedric do a ugly bar hump flip on some bump at Rampage?
  • + 5
 I forgot to add, that the bump was shaped into a lip to impress the Judges. Natural means no shovels Cedric. We know you did Rampage long ago, now let these kids progress their sport! haha
  • + 2
 Take it off the slopestyle tour and it will happen, theyre only trying to flip/spin everything because of overall points
  • + 2
 I was going to agree, but I went on the FMB World Tour website and it looks like Rampage hasn't been a part of the tour since 2015. So it seems to be more of an independent event (similar to Hardline), but it may take a bit more time for it to break away from the recent slopestyle format.
  • + 3
 Rampage used to be like walking to school up hill both ways!
  • + 2
 Rampage then = Big Mountain riding,

Rampage now = Wicked steep bike park runs.
  • + 3
 not even remotely close.
  • + 3
 Rampage is what it is,but it isn't what it was.
  • + 2
 I love Dorfling ols style extreme lines Don't like to see riders risk a wheelchair for business
  • + 1
 YEP! seen plenty of riders on insta working on last year's lines, score the down! I still think Aggy And Deorfling had the winning line last year
  • + 1
 Best digested RAW DOG'S! With a few tricks, its starting to look like a giant skate park all smooth, lol ok pave some spots for speed but MORE RAW, NOW, DO IT!
  • + 1
 He's jealous.!! and he's whining cuz he didn't have the skills to do slopestyle tricks..
  • + 2
 cocaine is hell of a drug
  • + 1
 The sport is constantly evolving and I'm sure in a couple of years it's going to be a bit different than now.
  • + 9
 youre right...pretty soon we'll be talking about the sick burnout by ebikers instead the crankworx whip offs...
  • + 4
 @ledude: exactly! And Redbull Rampage nowadays is more about getting to the bottom safe as much as possible and not going head over heels like they used to...

which l think is a good thing.

I think CC is probably thinking 2015 was the last best year when Rogatkin went over the cliff and got back up to finish the run. That was pretty GNAR.... definitely had some old Rampage in it! Wink
  • + 1
 He just sounds like he's here to have sex with your family.

Eh, eh, Eddie Izzard anyone? No? I'll just show myself out...
  • + 1
 hey, its turned into big mtn.slopestyle...and thats ok with me. but at some point, people are gonna die
  • + 0
 Seminuks run was a joke, basically a slopestyle course. He's 1000% right. Go big or gtfo. Slopestyle already has its own competition.
  • + 3
 Norbs got robbed.
  • + 0
 I got your back Cedric !!!! Rampage is totally slope style now They shouldn't be able to build jumps unless it's to get over a canyon !!!!
  • + 1
 CG posted a follow up www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsE0jD-w_AM
He read EVERY single comment !!!
  • + 3
 100% With CG ....
  • + 2
 Blah blah blah...nonsense.
  • + 1
 So true. If I wanted to watch slopestyle I'd watch slopestyle. I wanna see ballsy lines
  • + 1
 Peer judging. Video replay for reference.
  • - 1
 we know that what he did was rad when he did it...don't need some old lady telling us she used to manage a cool punk band way before they got signed...
  • + 3
 He doesn't say it's not rad or cool anymore.
He says it's not big mountain freeride anymore; it's more like slopestyle in the wild.

but one has to appreciate freeride, in order to understand the point of view.
  • + 0
 @Spadluv: it's mountain biking...nothing more, nothing less.
  • + 1
 @giantcop: It's another debate if slopestyle is really mountain biking
  • + 1
 YES!! Agree 100%
  • + 1
 Real talk
  • + 1
 CG for president !
  • + 1
 Last
  • + 1
 CG's bedroom.
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  • + 1
 CG is on point.
  • + 1
 Release!
  • + 0
 Cc rules
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