Now Finished: Ask Us Anything with Cane Creek

Jul 2, 2020 at 14:59
by Pinkbike Staff  



Update: 12pm Thanks for all the questions today! Brent, Jeff, and Sam have products to develop and bikes to ride. Stay safe out there if and when you venture out to ride your bike!


In April of 2018, there was a unanimous "Wait, what?" response from the industry when the 400-gram, all-titanium, $999 eeWings from Cane Creek were debuted. The cranks have gotten a lot of attention in their own right, even before the beautiful limited Tye-Dye option was released late last year. Recently, Cane Creek has added a shorter 165mm length to the offering and another limited edition eeWings “Raven” crankset that features black arms.

We wanted to know more about the team behind the eeWings crankset, so we thought it would be a perfect opportunity for you to ask Brent Grave, Jeff LaForge and Sam Anderson your questions.



Brent Graves – President and CEO
Brent is a bike industry veteran with 29 years of industry experience – most of which has been in product development with Diamondback, Manitou, BMC, Specialized, and now at Cane Creek since 2016. He loves to go fast - particularly on two wheels and around corners. He started racing bicycles in 1979 and holds multi-state and series championships in BMX, road, and MTB. When he isn’t breaking speed records on two wheels, Brent can be found rocking out to Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath or Alter Bridge while playing with one or all of his six dachshunds.



Jeff LaForge – Senior Design Engineer
Jeff has 12 years of engineering development experience across both the automotive and cycling industries. Since he joined Cane Creek in 2017, he has played a major role in the development of all of the configurations of eeWings cranksets, Helm MKII, Thudbuster Generation 4 seatposts, and is working on other products you don’t know about yet! Jeff is an avid cyclist (clearly!), kayaker, flyfisher, and thru-hiked the Appalachian trail in 2010. Jeff is also currently gardening and eating snacks with his two soon-to-be shredders.



Sam Anderson – Product Manager
Sam officially started working at Cane Creek in 2014 - But has been affiliated with the company for nearly a decade. Sam’s connection to Cane Creek product and culture can be traced back to one of his true passions - Trail building. Sam’s natural vision, creativity, and dedication to the sport first caught the attention of Cane Creek’s Product Development team after the Pinkbike worldwide premier of Finding Flow (not bad for some kids with a mini-DV hand-held and a homemade cable cam!). When Sam is not in the office, out testing, or stacking dirt he can be found playing one of his many musical instruments, freestyle rapping, or gearing up to do battle out on the hockey rink!


How ‘Ask Us Anything' Works:

Starting at 10:00 AM PDT/7:00 PM CET Today, July 9th, you can type your questions for Cane Creek into the comment box below this article and the guys will have a crack at answering them. Sometimes your answer will pop up in a few seconds; others may take a few minutes while Brent, Sam, and Jeff work their way through questions that are popping up. Everyone who posts a question, large or small, will be taken seriously.

To make this go as smoothly as possible, try to follow these guidelines:

• Keep your questions relevant
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• Ask Us Anything is a service to PB readers who are seeking helpful information, not a forum to broadcast opinions or grievances. If you do have an issue that you want to ask about, no worries, just keep your complaints relevant and in the context of a question so that it can be addressed in a productive manner
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301 Comments

  • 42 0
 Will there be any self-service options in the future for shocks? Other brands are moving to more user-serviceable products or at least products that don't require a workshop of special tools. Any chance of this in the future for CC?
  • 13 1
 This. I like my DB, I don’t think home servicing couldn’t be done, they just will not sell parts / seals. They will charge $200 for a rebuild though.
  • 2 1
 And forks
  • 25 66
flag CaneCreekCyclingComponents Plus (Jul 9, 2020 at 10:00) (Below Threshold)
 Shocks are complex by nature and require special tools, vacuum fill machines, and compressed nitrogen tanks to properly service. We thoroughly vet, train, and certify each of our service centers to ensure they keep your suspension running smoothly. - Jeff
  • 26 35
flag CaneCreekCyclingComponents Plus (Jul 9, 2020 at 10:06) (Below Threshold)
 As Jeff said, shocks are a bit more complex due to the requirement for vacuum fill and nitrogen gassing, but we have made strides on our Helm forks on travel change not needing a completely different air spring assembly per travel, air volume adjustment being accessory free - all of which have support videos and are included with images in the instruction manual. -Sam
  • 29 3
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents: Has methane gas ever been tested because I have a ton of it today.
  • 20 0
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents this is huge. I understand that your shocks work really well and should be able to go longer between damper service intervals by using nitrogen, but so many of your competitors have made their products serviceable by local shops and handy home mechanics. You're definitely losing market share by designing your products to require that level of equipment. I own a DBAir IL and I am not stoked about it being the only suspension product in my garage that needs to be sent in for service. I purchased it because of the very limited shock options in the size that I needed... I would have gone to a DVO Topaz or Rockshox Deluxe in a heartbeat over the DBAir IL if I could have.

That being said, the DBAir IL does ride really nice.
  • 32 1
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents:
Sorry, this is a boiler plate answer that doesn’t address the issue. My local MX/MTB suspension shop can quickly and affordable service most major brands but won’t mess with CC certification. Meanwhile your competition has advanced suspension technology that can generally be home serviced with modest tool investment.
  • 9 8
 @ajreed: this isn't really true. Fox shocks are user serviceable as they don't use nitrogen but rockshox is not. Your local shop can do an air can seal service on rockshox super deluxe and that's it, for the same reason they can't do cc which is the abity to nitrogen charge it.

Not sure if CC shocks have a user serviceable air can? They should. And forks should always be user serviceable (sounds like the helm is).

No idea why fox gets away with not needing nitrogen but other manufacturers stuck with it.
  • 6 0
 @friendlyfoe: I've rebuilt my superdeluxe coil 3x already, it takes minimal tools and you repressurize it with a shock pump + adapter. No nitrogen needed.
  • 6 0
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents: The Fox DHX2 and X2, designs based around the CCDB, are user serviceable at home without the requirement of a vacuum bleed.
  • 7 0
 @friendlyfoe: Rockshox might use nitrogen in their factory service, but you are not required to use it. You can pressurize an IFP with a shock pump. It will need to be re-pressurized more frequently than a nitrogen-charged IFP, but it will work all the same.
  • 6 0
 @friendlyfoe: All current Fox shocks except for the Float X2 and DHX2 require nitrogen filling equipment for service. The X2 shocks have a conventional schrader valve on the IFP reservoir. Some older fox shocks also had this, but the majority require nitrogen.

All current Rockshox shocks, including the Deluxe and Monarch series, and the Vivid series, can all be filled with a conventional shock pump or with a pump adapter that they sell.
  • 4 0
 Servicing a ccdb is no harder than servicing a fix dhx2. Please make the spare parts available, i spent ages looking for a new top out bumper.
  • 1 0
 @friendlyfoe: which Rockshox needs nitrogen? Please enlighten me. Every shock I've ever fully rebuilt can be done with the shock pump and a small adaptor.
  • 1 0
 @hiddenstorm: Air is fine, nitrogen is a bit better/consistent.
  • 1 0
 @hiddenstorm: they are all filled with nitrogen from the factory.
  • 2 0
 @spudlord: This. I’ve had one apart and made a few repairs as it was too old to be worth sending in. A vacuum bleed is ideal but you can hand bleed pretty darn well. I also set one up to fill IFP with air. It runs great. They are just not wanting to give up the service piece.
  • 2 0
 @Kitejumping: air is 80% nitrogen after all. Id rather rebuild a shock occasionally and keep and air filled IFP changes then mess with nitrogen myself.
  • 2 0
 @cougar797: same, rebuilding it on a regular schedule is much better than once every year or two cause you don't want to deal with sending it in.
  • 1 0
 @clink83: yes true. But it's not necessary for servicing unlike Fox
  • 20 0
 Could you comment on lessons learned from the DB InLine Air rear shock experience, at least at the beginning of its product lifecycle?

My experience was less than ideal. After two warranties and then purchasing an upgraded seal head/new design, I retired mine as the shock would always bleed fluid and start chirping like a bird within a month of the start of use. It was surprising given the good experience I had with the traditional DB Air. On a different bike.
  • 7 1
 On a specialized enduro by any chance?
  • 4 7
 That’s so they can hit you with the expensive rebuild fee.
  • 1 1
 This is what turned me off from them. I’ve never had another one of their products but the ship time and price to continually rebuild that bad boy put me off the bike for weeks at a time.
  • 2 1
 @sir-hc: Ibis Ripley
  • 4 2
 @jason3559: Another yoke equipped bike, yoke's seem to be the perfect tool to kill a shock. Additional bending load that is neither measured or understood, looks ok in paint* though!
  • 4 1
 It should be said that when shock worked, it was the best available at the time.

Brent Graves should have an interesting answer, considering CC often blamed Specialized for the design of the yolk, while Specialized blamed CC for design/assembly issues.
  • 15 1
 That’s a great question Jason, and I hate that your experience was not good. We learned a lot of lessons with the original Inline. First and foremost was that focusing entirely on big brand OEM shock spec resulted in us rushing and compromising development. Since then we’ve moved more towards aftermarket sales and have broadened our product offering so that we are not in do-or-die situation. Coincidently, there’s a new Being Frank blog on our website that digs into the Inline a bit deeper. - Brent
  • 5 1
 Honestly I've seen multiple post relating to CC products over the last few years here on pinkbike and all people hark on about is the DB inline. They made a mistake. They release a revised and far better version. ITS DONE. MOVE ON
  • 2 0
 @Stetay: I had a DB Inline on my smuggler, was ace. IMO, one of the best options out there for trailbikes
  • 1 0
 @sir-hc: Yah dude their stuff is mint for the most part. I like it a lot performance wise.
  • 1 0
 @sir-hc: but, i thought the yoke on the ripley eliminates side loads on the shock. it pivots left to right so swing arm flex doent put side loads on the shock...
  • 1 0
 @lukazy: You can't make loads dissapear, it would really depend on the structure and how stiff either end of the mounting points are, its hard to say without drawing it out and analysing it properly.
Yokes are just a shit idea IMO.
  • 21 2
 Hi,

would love to get an inexprensive version of your eewings. Made of "normal steel" like an bmx crank... Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please,...

I use cane creek headset 40 nearly on all my bikes. Inexpensive and great, but after dirty winter it always needs a rebuild. Which headset would you recomment me for bad weather conditions? Which has the best sealing?

Thanks and greetings from Tyrol,
Mike
  • 9 1
 I can answer the headset question for you: Drop the 110 series bearings into your 40 series headset & never worry about headset maintenance again.
  • 10 2
 Profile Racing makes steel cranks. We all had them on our hucking bikes in the 90s.
  • 2 1
 @biggerted: or hellbender headset
  • 13 1
 Hey Mike!! Thanks for the questions! We hear you on the low-cost eeWings.. We would love for this too, but right now we are just not able to get there from a design standpoint. We'll keep trying! As far as your headset question, all Cane Creek bearings have the same dimensions across our headset product line, so like biggerted says, you can swap your 40-series bearings for Hellbender bearings if you'd like to keep rolling your cups. If you do feel the need to have more sealing elements on the cup and cover, the Hellbender 70 and the 110 series headsets have the best sealing charactoristics. -Sam
  • 5 0
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents: +1 for the budget eeWings
  • 1 4
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents: Actually keep them Titanium, but make a set for Cannondale Ai offset please.
  • 6 1
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents:

Chiming in for steelwings. I sent you guys an email when the eeWings first came out. Profiles are heavy, dated in too many ways, to eeWings are just a hard sell for many. The steel is real crowd would go crazy for a classy, modern, performance option at more regular high end crank pricing.
  • 4 8
flag mountain-life (Jul 9, 2020 at 12:10) (Below Threshold)
 The Cane Creek 40 series bearings are embarrassingly bad, they start to rust immediately. I have a hard time believing Cane Creek gets away with selling such a garbage headest.
  • 5 0
 @mountain-life: why are you not slathering them with good waterproof grease? I live in one of the wettest and grittiest areas of the world and that works really well for me.

If your conditions are really that bad, then maybe a budget priced headset isn’t for you.
  • 1 6
flag mountain-life (Jul 9, 2020 at 16:12) (Below Threshold)
 @bogey: I don't want to maintain my headset every few rides. I switched to some cheap FSA headsets and they are way better. The Cane Creek 40 is crap at any price and that is just the plain and simple truth.
  • 17 0
 A lot of major fork brands have been getting slammed for having crowns that creak over time. It's a massive disappointment given relatively short warranty periods on those forks as well. With demand for 29er forks which are long travel but need a reasonable axle-to-crown height, how are you solving for the issues of all that force being transferred to a relatively small, press-fit interface to make sure your forks don't have the same problem as bigger companies?
  • 17 0
 As you noted this is a challenge for every manufacturer. When we were working on the Helm fork, we spent a ton of development time making the most robust chassis possible by studying the press fit interface, various retaining compounds, and manufacturing processes. To date we have very few complaints of creaking CSUs and take the ones we get seriously. - Jeff
  • 5 0
 I've managed to produce a creak in a bomber z1, Pike, Lyrik and 36 factory. Love my euro turns. The HELM is still dead silent. They are doing something right
  • 17 0
 If you were going to fill your stanchions with a condiment instead of oil what sauce would it be and why?

There are alot of answers going around and im looking for Cane creeks response.
  • 4 0
 Glad to see someone asking the important questions here.
  • 17 1
 Why don't you sell service kits to those of us that want to work on our sus ourselves?
  • 8 9
 We do sell a 50hr service kit for the Helm fork (BAG0409).

As mentioned above- to properly get into a shock it requires special tools, vacuum fill machines, and compressed nitrogen tanks to do it right. Contact our sales@canecreek.com and they can get you set up. - Jeff
  • 11 1
 When will the servicemanuals for rearshocks and spares be available for consumers? A lot of people live in places without bikeshops/service centers and would like to be able service what they ride by themselves.
  • 10 2
 I just want to say thanks for always improving and for thinking of the home mechanic with the helm. The new mk2 looks like lots of little upgrades to make our lives easier. Thank you for making the helm so adjustable from home. I swap forks on kits of bikes, and being able to adjust the travel without having to buy a new air springs or even add oil to the fork is amazing. Keep up the great work.
  • 5 0
 Thanks! Great to hear! - Jeff
  • 4 0
 Thanks for noticing the little upgrades. We build (and sell) forks one at a time, so we really appreciate that you chose a Helm. - Brent
  • 11 2
 1. Where can we hear some of Sam's freestyle rap?

2. What's up with Sam's wallet bulge? Is that where all those eeWing profits go?
  • 11 2
 1: Catch me after 10pm with a buzz!

2: Wallet Bulge or tight Dirt Jump kid pants? Ain't no cash in there! I work in the bike industry Wink I just have piles of dirt (WORTH IT)

-Sam
  • 7 0
 Latching onto the "Anything" part of this:

With the increased product selection from Cane Creek and the, rightfully deserved, increased demand for Cane Creek products, will y'all be looking to hire experience design/manufacturing engineers anytime soon?
  • 9 0
 why does the rebound on your CC DB IL coil not last a year (with little riding) before needing serviced?
  • 10 1
 What's your response to the new 38mm stanchion fork offerings from RS and Fox? And is a 38mm fork really necessary?
  • 20 0
 The reality is it really depends on where and how you ride. I can see the bigger stanchions benefiting heavier riders or people that beat up their long travel bikes for sure. I don't think however that a little flex on a fork is a bad thing. Square edge hits can inhibit proper function of a telescoping fork and if it is super stiff then people might find that a stiffer fork will add harshness to their ride. Categorically speaking it does make sense to increase stiffness on the chassis of forks with 170mm, 180mm, and 190mm (um what?) travel to keep those forks from moving a ton. But for a 130mm-160mm travel bikes, staying at a 35/36mm stanchion diameter makes more sense.

-Sam
  • 11 1
 Will you ever make a CC progressive coil that ISNT white.
  • 2 0
 Will you make the progressive coil in lighter spring rates?
  • 3 1
 Different rages of progression?
  • 5 0
 I head rumblings around Sam's office about some "artic bliss" limited colorway coming out soon... - Jeff
  • 7 0
 Those eeWings are plenty rad, but guessing cutting pedal threads through the Ti is a pain. Care to share what tap drill size you use , tap speed, and coolant? Asking for a friend
  • 9 1
 Hahahahaha, good try. - Jeff
  • 11 0
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents: For the record- I'm the friend. Been trying to tap threads in some 3D printed Ti64 cranks I made. Thinking this is probably best done with a thread mill (CNC) rather than a tapered tap?

Your Ti cranks were the benchmark I used when designing mine. No more desirable crank on the market.
  • 2 1
 @Fabris: Thread mill is the only way I can see.
  • 4 0
 @Tmackstab: Thanks for some confirmation. My CNC programmer was of the same opinion. It took an unreasonably long time- but the threads are cut now using manual taps. With any luck I'll be riding these cranks in the next few days. Slowly but surely I'm replacing all components with 3D printed parts of my design and manufacture. I'm up to bars, stem, bash, crank set, and other small bits.
  • 7 0
 Sam,

What is your favorite trailbuilding tool?

Do you wanna go halvsies on buying the Reeb Ranch? Only a cool 2.5 mil. each.
  • 6 0
 - For clearing and maintaining trail: The Silky Big Boi hand saw no doubt!
- For getting down and dirty: You can't beat a Mattock!

- I've thought about the Reeb Ranch! But I don't think I can get the 1 million dollar down payment or the $20K a month mortgage Frown

-Sam
  • 5 0
 I'm late to this party but I just want to throw a huge shout out to Cane Creek's customer service dept, specifically Will and Craig, for turning around a warranty claim in under two days right before the 4th last week. Split my BB cup, there were no questions asked, a new one was in my hands in under two days (and would have been sooner had I made the shipping deadline the day I called). Saved the long weekend of riding and got my eeWings spinning again. Many thanks!
  • 8 0
 Any plans for a dual crown fork?
  • 2 0
 Yes please.
  • 9 0
 MAN.. While I'd personally love to see this happen, being a small company we can't afford to take on this beast right now -Sam
  • 5 0
 Are you still using the same internals in your double barrels as you were when they were first released? (i believe they were designed by ohlins back then and licenced to you guys?)
  • 7 1
 The DoubleBarrel shock line has had many updates and iterations over the years. We had a major overhaul in 2013 with the introduction of the air CS platform, and again in 2015 with coil CS. We also offered an xVol air can for a time. The damper internals have also adapted over the years with different main piston tunes, glide rings, and LS adjustment needles to name a few. - Jeff
  • 4 0
 Not sure this question comes under Cane Creek's purview, however:
Why is frame compliance a good thing, wheel compliance a good think, handlebar compliance a good thing, yet fork and stem compliance are both considered bad things?
  • 7 0
 Compliance – that’s a BIG question. NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) is a critical area in auto and motorcycle development and can be discrete from suspension function. Damping high-frequency, low-amplitude vibrations with some “controlled” compliance in components like bars, stems, and frames (really, road) can make a difference up to a point. But handling real impacts is best left to suspension. - Brent
  • 4 0
 I’ve been a big fan of your shocks for some time now, especially the IL and coil CS, but I would like to know a bit more about the Helm mk2 beyond the press release info. Are there any details around about the updates to the internals? I know the mk1 helm quite well so interested in how it compares
  • 4 0
 Just wanted to say I was lucky enough get some sewings 4-5 months ago and felt guilty about the cost for a while but damn, they are awesome and I'll have them forever. So nice!!! Love the raw Finnish too. Will still look great after years of riding them.
  • 11 4
 What is your profits margin on the EE Wings Cranks?
  • 6 1
 You know, as much as I was disappointed to hear that they weren't made in the USA, these cranks still aren't too ridiculously priced. I went searching on alibaba and aliexpress for titanium cranks, and found quite a few, but none were cheaper than $400, and most of those were kinda standard BMX construction. The eeWings have a unique profile, utilize an External BB, and have a great warranty. I have no doubt they are making good money on each sale, but I don't get the feeling that these are some rebranded catalog crankset.
  • 4 0
 @PHeller: YEah Ti is cheap to do badly, expensive to do well. Dont we all remember all those terrible ti frames in the 90's trying to copy Sandvik, Merlin etc. Sure you can do it cheap, but good luck with that.
  • 2 0
 @PHeller: This is exaclty the goal of my question. It's to demonstrate that even if they make a good profit out of it, it is clearly not as much as some may think.
  • 17 0
 Actually eeWings are our lowest margin product, but the other options – higher retail or cut corners – were not options for us. -- Brent
  • 2 0
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents: Matt Jones recently fitted eeWings to his dirt jumper. Do you think it's a good idea in the long run? Are Ti cranks a right tool for this job?
  • 10 0
 @kmoter: Well, they're the lightest/strongest/stiffest cranks in the world..eeWings are the right tool for the job on all bikes! I've got a set on my dirt jumper too Wink - Sam
  • 4 0
 How has the internals of the double barrel series evolved over time? The addition of the CS switch and black shaft coating are obvious to see but has there been any other changes under the hood?
  • 1 0
 2nd
  • 1 0
 There is a PDF on the CC site showing the updated seal heads on the db inline il
  • 3 1
 Hey! As mentioned above there have been many updates to the doublebarrel over the years. We re-tuned the main piston, updated the glide rings, re-valved the LS adjusters to name a few. One major upgrade I did not mention above with the airCS was dynamic seal update in 2017. The original seals could take a heat set over time and cause problems with the spirng, so we took the lessons learned from the DBinline air spring and applied them to the air CS shock by upgrading the seal material, cross section width, and gland dimensions. -Jeff
  • 4 1
 I’ve had an older DBair that I liked and now run a DVO topaz t3 which is fantastic as well. The dvo is almost as adjustable albeit in a different way and user serviceable. What are the advantages of the twin tube design over DVO’s bladder design? Do you plan to ever change the DBair’s internals?
  • 6 1
 The advantage of a twin tube shock is the ability for the damper to independently control the compression and rebound oil at the adjusters. They also have much better damping performance by way of hysterisis and control at high shaft velocity. We use an internal floating piston in our CS shocks, but the airIL and coilIL shocks use a bladder just like the Topaz. - Jeff
  • 3 0
 Cc- I recently ordered a cc dB cs from you direct and it works perfectly w/o even adjusting it( you had my weight, bike and riding style). So, despite having all this info, I’m surprised and impressed On how well it performs out of the box. Thank you so much!!!!
  • 5 0
 How well have the upgrades to the DB inline improved the reliability of the shocks?
  • 3 1
 By changing the seal gland geometry, cross section, and material the airIL has become an extremely durable shock. We also took the opportunity to update the air spring for better ride control. Since then our warranty rate has dropped dramatically and is at or below the industry average - Jeff
  • 6 4
 Can you please release lower service instructions for Helm forks as well as service kits? Your competitors do this, and yes it's a factor (at least for me) in terms of who's suspension products I will buy based on ability to service my own stuff. For example, I couldn't even find how much fluid and what type to add in the lowers even though you guys sell the wipers and seal kit--something is obviously disconnected.
  • 10 1
 canecreek.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/SP-HELM-005-50hr-Service-9.12.2018.pdf

For splash oil use: Motul fork oil SAE 15W
Damper Side: 7.5mL
Air Side: 5mL
  • 4 0
 Why is the bike industry continually increasing costs for the end user?
top end products 10 years ago are 3x the cost now...meanwhile the moto industry is on par.
  • 3 0
 well, bikes are at least 3x better now so....
  • 1 4
 @astro99: untrue, tey have more features but at the bare center they are unchanged from 20 years ago.

Aluminum is aluminum
Carbon is carbon
very little difference from initial bikes produced.
what does change is fancy paint jobs and fancy gizmos etc.

Why is a bike $10g now when I can buy a moto(with way more R&D into it) for $8g?

MTB has become a spor tof sponsored riders and the rich, buying the premo bikes for 10-15g and up.
  • 2 0
 Would you guys ever look into making Hellbender bottom brackets for DUB cranks? Would have snapped those up ages ago, and probably sold them 10-1 over stock SRAM bB's.

P.S. Thank you for making DUB compatible preload adjusters.
  • 3 0
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents: Well, I'm a knob. Keep being awesome.
  • 1 0
 Are you saying you can replace the plastic piece of shit preload adjuster on SRAM DUB cranks with the Cane Creek preload adjuster? Not in the market for eeWings, but that sounds interesting.
  • 1 0
 @muscogeemasher: That you indeed can. Just replaced mine last week. BAI0093 for the DUB specific version.
canecreek.com/product/crank-preloader
  • 2 0
 Greetings from a long time Dia-Compe USA user Wink

I would like to know why did you choose a 30mm spindle for your crank instead of something around 24mm? Using a 30mm spindle on a BB92 is less than ideal when it comes to bearings life. Sorry but 30mm bottom brackets for BB92 frame are as bad as they are expensive …

Don't you think the machining required to pair the two parts of your crank is a little bit pricey? It reminds me somehow of the Campagnolo Ultra-Torque!
  • 4 0
 Hey! We went with a 30mm spindle to optimize the stiffness to weight ratio for a titanium spindle. Shimano uses a steel 24mm spindle which can handle the torsional loading without too much deflection in that diameter, but to get there with Ti we had to increase the diameter. We hear you about the PF92 bottom brackets being tough with a 30mm spindle, and that is why our PF41 bottom brackets use a double row bearing for increased load capacity and durability. - Jeff
  • 2 0
 I own one of the first blue Helm forks. While the build quality is superb and well made, I can barely use all of its travel. With other forks I usually need some spacers to prevent bottoming out too early but the Helm is way too progressive for me although I am rather heavy. I have removed the complete wing nut from the air side but still 1.5cm of travel is left. I have played with the pressure in the positive and negative chamber but no way to use all of the travel. When I release all air the fork can be compressed completely. Is there any possibility or something I can change that the fork is less progressive.
  • 1 0
 What air pressure are you running? at which travel?
  • 2 0
 Isnt there a big contridiction in being on the fore front of user adjustability for suspension products while at the same time being one of the most strict suspension manufacturers when it comes to user servicability? By not allowing users to service their suspension arent you letting down the same users that your products would attract?
  • 2 0
 When can we see a more consistent response to EVOL or debonair air can from CC?
I love the Twin tube, it works amazing in bikes with a good leverage ratio, but in my old Nomad 3 for example Frown , air curve is like a x^3 function.
And also It cannot be solved with more spacers, Or XV can, we need a more volume negative air can.

Pancho
  • 2 0
 When will you provide service kits for air can service on the air shocks? I do not think it is good use of over worked service techs for simple operations as that. Or even just provide oil recommendations for air chamber lubrication would help a lot!
  • 5 0
 Will there ever be a 180mm helm? Or a conversion kit for that?
  • 3 0
 The current Helm chassis doesn’t allow us to go to 180mm. - Brent
  • 4 0
 Thank you for making a cinch ring that works with Race Face cranks, since the one they provide is absolute garbage.
  • 4 0
 Heck yeah thanks for that feedback!
We got them in skittle colors now too!
www.pinkbike.com/photo/18568391

-Sam
  • 2 0
 I think you’re talking about our machined aluminum preloader. It’s one of my favorite parts. - Brent
  • 3 0
 I think its funny everyone thinks the pre loaders are garbage. If people understood how minimally tight both the preloader and the screw that tightens it to not move actually need to be they would never strip out or ruin either of them. Still the CC bling factor of theirs is rad.
  • 4 0
 Will you be having another $500 secret purchase offer like you did last year?
  • 8 0
 I’d bet there will be another Mystery Monday in the future. - Brent
  • 1 0
 Bishopsmike- how did you hear about that?
  • 1 0
 @wannabeabiker: on their mailing list
  • 4 0
 Has the DB Coil changed at all in the last 6 years? Besides a climb switch for the trail models?
  • 3 1
 What are you guys doing to maintain your awesome customer service experience in light of the COVID-19 induced bike rush of 2020? Any lessons learned you think are generally applicable to service-oriented bike businesses?
  • 6 0
 We are changing and adding a lot of things, but going from shut down to doubling business in 60 days is a massive challenge. We’ve been hiring, reorganizing, and making some investments, but we are short of where we want to be in responding. We stress daily that the most important thing is to try to do our very best with each customer and not let the wave overwhelm us. - Brent
  • 5 0
 Any advice for a young engineer looking to get into the industry?
  • 8 1
 Depends how old you are...younger than 18? Sorry got no advice...older than 18? Sorry still no advice
  • 1 0
 Can you comment on the struggles of competing with the Big 2 when it comes to suspension? I really love the idea of doing something different/3rd party with my components, but it’s so hard to move away from platforms with so much support in terms of both shops and general info online.

I love your headsets and other stuff, and I hope to see your forks on more bikes.
  • 13 0
 The Big 2 make really good stuff. We are less about trying to convince you that ours is better and more about doing some things differently (like token-less air volume adjustment, separate positive and negative air spring adjustments, and using machined internals in our forks) that we think provide a better platform for the way we (and many of you) like to ride. - Brent
  • 1 0
 I have a 2020 Hightower and I've been really interested in trying your progressive coil with the DB il (but I can't find any ride impressions / reviews by the way!)

Curious what the main couple of points you'd make for why that progressive coil would be "better" on a Hightower than the stock air shock?
  • 2 0
 Hey man! Unfortunately the 2020 Hightower frames do not provide enough room for a coil spring and may potentially rub the frame... The outer diameter or our springs are between 52mm and 58mm depending on the spring rate. And these bikes have a high leverage ratio that requires a larger spring rate meaning the OD is around 55mm or higher. The Hightower would in fact be a good bike for a coil shock based on its relatively progressive leverage ratio. A coil shock would provide a more supple initial stroke than an air shock and would progress into the end stroke with a very similar ending force to an air shock on this bike. Hopefully they make these frames with more room for coil shocks in the future! - Sam
  • 2 0
 I've got the hightower and just installed the cascade link. Depending on your weight coil shocks can fit in the tunnel. Unfortunately I am in the position that my required spring rate won't fit either. Still a huge improvement though
  • 1 0
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents: but there was a post here on pink bike announcing that coil shock and there were pictures of that coil in a Hightower frame? I think you guys even made that post?
  • 2 0
 @lusenator: You are right, however that particular bike is owned by a 100lb rider. The spring rate (350lb/52mm OD) is much lower than average, which just barely works without any rubbing issues. But for normal rider weights 160-200lb, the spring rates go up to 550-700lb, and the outer diameters are 55-58mm and will not work on this bike.
  • 1 0
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents: Alright that makes sense. Ill admit I feel a bit tricked into that, I know other people that got excited by that picture too! But thanks for the info, glad you guys were doing this QnA.

Also: I have eewings on the same bike and absolutely love them, and I'm sure I'll have the same pair of cranks in 20 years on some other mtn bike!
  • 1 0
 @blkmrktrider156: Yeah I've been curious about that link, do you like it? worth the cash?
  • 1 0
 @lusenator: I absolutely love it. Having come from a coil shock previously, I was constantly trying to get more out of the rear shock. I threw on the MegNeg and got the vorsprung tractive valve with a custom tune. Those made a big difference but the link completely changed the bike. It's still super poppy off of jumps, super agile in tight turns, but the back wheel doesn't get hung up in high speed chattery descents like it did before. Hands down worth the money
  • 1 0
 My Banshee Prime has a 2013 DBairCS , is there a way to upgrade any aspect of the shock to lengthen the time between service? It’s probably not the best way to do it, but I’ve always just ridden it until it no longer holds air before sending it in for service...thankfully I have a coil shock I can throw on it.
  • 2 0
 We updated the seal material and geometry in the fall of 2017. If the last service was before then you will get the better performing componentry at your next service. - Jeff
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 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents: thanks! Also I’m looking at the new Banshee Titan for my next bike, are you working with Banshee to make an “OEM” shock to go with that frame?
  • 1 0
 When will you make additional/longer spindle length options available for the eeWings for fatbikes with 5.05" tire clearance? And not the ones through Lamere Cycles. I'd love the option to run a set on my RSD Mayor TI, but there is no factory made compatible spindle option for the chainline and crank arm clearance required for that frame, and others like it.
  • 1 0
 What type of maintenance should be expected for my Forty headset? I live in a super dusty environment in Colorado. I just installed it last month so I hope to not have to service it any time soon....but our dirt/dust is super hard on bikes....so im just curious what you guys think. Thanks!
  • 1 0
 I would clean it out every month or so to ensure the grit isn't wearing the cups. There are some internal sealing elements in the headset but not to the degree of the Hellbender 70 and 110. The ZN40 bearing is solid and well sealed, but without the external sealing elements found in the above offerings some dirt will get in. - Jeff
  • 1 0
 I had a DB AIR IL. This was the replacement for the original DB Air Inline, which was known for reliability problems. The performance of the shock was amazing, but I had two catastrophic failures in a year of use. I'm now upgrading to a Float X2 so that I can have a nice 4 way shock and not worry about losing riding time to failures. Do you plan to further improve the development process in order to complete with more reliable options out there?
  • 1 0
 Can the new Helm Mk2 SKF low friction seals be installed in the MK1 chassis? My forks have always been sticky and sags in the first 10-15mm travel. Have to run at 170mm travel to negate the travel loss. Theve been to the uk warranty centre and still the same.
  • 3 0
 Yep, you can install the SKF seal into your existing chassis. - Jeff
  • 3 0
 What is cross compatible with the new mkII fork? Can I install the new seals, damper, air spring, d-loc qr axle on an older model?
  • 1 0
 Hey guys !
Love your products, especially my helm fork, got the blue special edition.. not going to replace it !
But-
As you can see, 2 companies (fox , rockshocks) has release a new 38mm stunction fork.
my question is - there are gonna be a new helm 38 on the way??
  • 1 0
 Hi! I am a 16 year old interested in the fields of mechanical engineering, fluid systems, and thermodynamics as they relate to bicycle design and suspension design. I am currently entering a trade school to learn welding for my final two years of high school, and I am very mechanically minded. I plan on attending college for engineering after high school. Do you have any suggestions for me in terms of what courses to take, how to get into the industry, and what experience I should try to acquire? Thank you very much!
  • 4 0
 Get a job at the biggest best bike shop in your area. Get to know people in the industry. Who you know matters, but trying as hard as you can at everything you do matters more. How you do anything is how you do everything. People will notice. Don’t stay at a job you hate no matter what. Last, working in the industry might not be as much fun as you think. Nothing bad about a good job and a hardcore hobby you can afford.
  • 5 0
 cane creek inline ....can i have my money back, please
  • 1 0
 Helm Tuning Question:

I just got a MK1 helm from you guys and am struggling to get it set up to deal with high speed chatter. (especially on middle-lower Bennett gap). The fork feels awesome on the slower big chunky stuff earlier in the ride on black to buckwheat but I can barely hang onto the bars on bennett.

150mm 29" - 82+/87- (~20% sag), 3HSC, 0LSC, & 3rd notch from the top on air volume

Any advice to deal with the chatter?
  • 1 0
 Try a little less low speed rebound.
  • 1 0
 Cane Creek,

Don't you think you guys need an on-site physician? Can save you on health insurance costs for employees, I can triage any injuries, and I will gladly test out all of your new designs whenever you would like on those trails that I know like the back of my hand. Sounds like a win win win.
  • 1 0
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents Let me know when I can start!
  • 2 0
 Love my Helm! Any hints on if there are other fork projects coming down the pipeline for other types of bikes (xc, DH, big enduro, etc.)?
  • 2 0
 Will you ever do a remote lockout for the CCDB Coil CS? I switched to a superdeluxe coil RTR since you dont make a CCDB Coil (non-il) with a remote.
  • 3 1
 What are your thoughts on e-bike specific components/suspension? Are they really necessary or driven by a desire for manufacturers to tap into a new market/revenue stream?
  • 1 0
 It is really more a function of impact forces which are likely higher on bigger, heavier bikes. Some of it is marketing, but e-bikes can see more and higher loads and impacts that require things like bigger crowns and stanchions. - Brent
  • 3 0
 has anybody broken a set of the EE wings crank arms yet? thats more a question for PB commentators than cane creek
  • 6 0
 The Eewing cranks are dead reliable (I've broken X01 cranks), improve ground clearance below the pedal lug, are lightweight and rigid, look pretty good, and have a 10 year warranty as I recall.
Would buy again. They seemed frivolous at first but after 2 years they seem like a good value compared to CF cranks. Unless standards change too much, I hope to use them for many many years.
  • 4 1
 CC started as a company making brakes in the USA.
Why doesn't CC offer any USA made disc brakes currently?
  • 4 0
 Well… we spent a couple of years on a disc brake recently, and in the end it worked pretty well. But we did not meet our goal of bring something new to the game. So beyond the prototypes, you are not likely to see a disc brake from us. - Brent
  • 2 0
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents:
Go ahead and send me the prototypes!
Would love to test them even if its nothing new. Haha.
Thanks for the reply Brent!
Ride on!
-Nick
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 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents: doesnt have to be new, just good performing and reliable
  • 2 0
 What are the benefits to digressive damping (like ibis is doing etc...)? If a digressive compression valving is used, would you also need to run digressive rebound?
  • 3 0
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents are there any new shocks that you plan to release in the near future?
  • 3 0
 Why is there no Drive Thru window for snacks? I drive by the facility before and after rides and I'm hungry.
  • 1 0
 has the angleset been updated? i bought one 5 years ago, it worked but also made knocking noise under bigger impacts/loads. dreaming of newer version (than i had) that's quiet and effective. thanks
  • 3 0
 Are you guys developing specific tandem mountain bike products seeing as how that's the fastest growing sporting?
  • 2 0
 I had a great experience with the DBair IL series. I know that trunnion mounts pose an issue with the way the controls are set up. any plans on working around this?
  • 1 0
 Good question here. I want to try an DBair IL on my sentinel but I'm not sure about the controls.
  • 1 0
 @Ajorda: I asked in 2018 when I was building my current bike and the response was they they weren't working on it since it was too dificult with the controls layout. I was just wondering if that had changed since I wanted to try a DBcoil IL
  • 3 0
 Is it a lizard or salamander on your logo, what species and does he or she have a name...
  • 1 0
 Are there plans to release a 170mm Helm 29" fork? Seeing as most modern Enduro bikes are arriving at 170mm+ up front, I'd love to put a Helm coil on my next build, but can't at this point.
  • 1 0
 The Helm coil is my favorite fork I’ve ever owned.

One thing I’ve always wondered is how the bottom out resistance works? Is it just the internal air compressing as the volume decreases?
  • 3 0
 Why does rear shocks require more maintenance than forks.
  • 2 0
 More movement in a smaller space I'm willing to bet. When you're pedaling up, you're still using the rear shock, you still use the fork on climbs, just not so much.
  • 2 0
 @Ajorda: and you have to pack all the adjustment and valves and chambers into that little canister! Heat management becomes key too, because you barely have any surface area!
  • 2 0
 @brokemywristbyfallingoffmybike: also, smaller parts in a smaller volume usually mean tighter tolerances and that translates to faster wear
  • 1 0
 Any plans to release your progressive coils in a different color than white? Also, 170mm 29er helm? Or maybe a Dual crown enduro fork?
  • 2 0
 Hi - any chance for a lower q-factor mtb ewings? Something like the 166 Sram stuff
  • 4 0
 While we call them “All-road”eeWings, they are exactly the same as our MTB eeWings but with a shorter spindle and Q-factor… but chain stay clearance could be an issue on some frames. - Brent
  • 2 0
 What size dB coil do I need for a trek remedy 8 2018? Do I need offset bushings
Thankyou
  • 2 0
 BAD2378 DBCOIL-CS-230/57.5-9.5-15.02MM-TREK SLASH/REMEDY(2017-2019)
  • 2 0
 Will there be an upgrade kit available for the previous gen Helm to get some of the improvements of the updated version?
  • 1 0
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents THIS! I am quite interested in the Helm but the super stiffness of the MK1 won't be plush enough for me for how I like the fork to feel and being 140... If there was a way to upgrade the damper on the MK1 to be more supple like the MKII damper is that would be awesome. Would the MK1 coil be more supple?
  • 1 0
 The market would love to see more of your products on bikes. Take for instance, the Inline Coil... When will it become available in trunnion mount?
  • 3 0
 Yeah, we here you... - Brent
  • 2 0
 WHERE DO I BUY THE SHOCK SERVICE KITS? HERE IN BRAZIL THERES NO DEALER SO I CANT SEND MY SHOCKS FOR SERVICE.
  • 9 1
 WHY ARE YOU YELLING!?
  • 1 0
 I am debating between the first gen Helm Coil and Rockshox Pike Ultimate. Any specific reason that I should take on the extra 1 LB of weight?
  • 1 0
 Ability to change travel without a separate air spring, or an oil change. You can also tune the negative air spring on a helm. Both are fantastic forks though.
  • 1 0
 D'oh, I just saw you said helm coil, not air. Travel adjust is still relevant, but not the negative air spring.
  • 1 0
 Is a tuning option for making the climb switch on my double barrel air harder? Is it possible for my reseller to tune it that way?
  • 2 0
 any plans to partner with Bailey Mtn on some races?
  • 4 3
 Can I get some free eeWings cranks please?


I mean, someone had to ask, right?
  • 2 4
 Ye can I snag a set too?
  • 1 0
 @secondtimeuser looks like a session

Haha
  • 2 0
 What is your favorite task to take on when trail building Sam? Why?
  • 9 0
 Building big ass jumps!! Why? Because its the best part about riding bikes (for me)!


-Sam
  • 2 1
 Have you tried the new Impossible Whopper at Buger King? Curious if it's a good alternative when out on the road.
  • 3 0
 No, but burger king does a good impossible whopper.
  • 1 0
 I don't work at Crane Creek but it's pretty bland and doesn't taste anything like beef.
  • 1 0
 @bulletbassman: So, it's still burger king.
  • 2 0
 What bikes do you ride? Give us the deets
  • 6 0
 Today I rode my KTM 690 Duke with some Carmichael bars and Arrow ti exhaust – 75hp and 300lbs – but in needs adjustable suspension! - Brent
  • 1 0
 Are you going to make a less expensive version of eewings, say maybe they aren’t the same material but they look the same?
  • 1 0
 The eeWings have set a pretty high bar for stiffness-to-weight, durability, and impact resistance. Lower cost will result in some combination of compromise. We’ve not found that good combination. - Brent
  • 1 0
 How many slamsets have you sold and how reliable are they relative to your other headsets?
  • 2 0
 Creating the SlamSet required removing some of the sealing from the cup/cover. That was the catalyst for creating the more robust Hellbender bearing that comes in the SlamSet. We’ve been selling SlamSet for a few years and its track record is very good. However, the Hellbender70 has both the cup/cover sealing and Hellbender bearing if you can absorb some stack height. - Brent
  • 1 0
 Can we get more color options for the Helm decals and how about a fender option directly from Cane Creek?
  • 3 0
 Hey man!
What color you looking for? We do have Gold and Silver available now canecreek.com/product/helm-mkii-decal-kits

Fender - in the future! We currently have too many good ideas right now in front of it.

-Sam
  • 3 0
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents: I'd like to get some red decals or perhaps turquoise. And a clean bolt-on fender like on the Fox 36 or DVO Diamond would be pretty cool for the Helm!
  • 1 0
 Being a smaller successful company with great products, how often do you fight off bigger companies trying to buy you out?
  • 5 0
 We would be too much of a headache for bigger companies because our goals are more about coming out with cool stuff we get jazzed about more than market share and EBITDA. - Brent
  • 1 0
 I really like the eeWing cranks, is there a chance you will make a cheaper (CroMo) version in the future?
  • 1 0
 Are you guys going to hop on the every company and their brother releasing a dropper post trend? If not, Why?
  • 6 0
 No dropper coming from us. We missed that boat, and when we tried to slide down the mooring lines, we had nothing new/different to bring to the market. - Brent
  • 1 0
 Cane Creek Dual Crown fork!? Is it in the works? Is there interest? The helm is magnificent and I want that on my dh rig!
  • 2 1
 Will you trade me a Ti crankset for a potato? Max I could do is like 2 potatoes. Deal?
  • 1 0
 @rodeoJ shoulda offered, TP...
  • 2 0
 Do you plan on releasing a black version of your progressive spring?
  • 1 0
 When will you get more inventory for headsets? I'm in need of a new one and can't find anybody that has one in stock.
  • 1 0
 What kind do you need??
  • 1 0
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents am I able to convert my air helm fork to coil with the parts from your helm coil?
  • 5 0
 You are!!
We have conversion kits available for both 27.5 ( AAG0548 ) and 29 ( AAG0549 ) to go from Air to Coil. But not from Coil to Air, as the coil spring will rub the stanchion and cause sealing problems with an Air Piston.

-Sam
  • 1 0
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents: That is awesome. I'll reach out to you soon!
  • 1 0
 are there plans to offer different ano color options for eewing cranks in the future?
  • 1 0
 Will you ever offer colours again for the 110 (or any other) headsets? It would be nice to pair with eewings preload ring
  • 2 0
 is it possible to upgrade Helm Coil to Helm Coil MKII?
  • 1 0
 Is a 2016 Stumpjumper 6Fattie with a different yoke a good candidate for a CC coil shock?
  • 1 1
 Without calipers, how can I tell which model of replacement bearings I should order for a 40 headset?
  • 4 0
 Go to Harbor Freight, spend $3.99 on a set of calipers?
  • 1 0
 @SunsPSD: diameters aren't the main issue - the angles of the headset cups is more of my concern.
  • 1 0
 I'm not sure how old your bike is, but typically headset specs are listed on build sheets for each particular model on the manufacturer's website Smile
  • 1 0
 @swillett116: I did check that - it just says "Cane Creek 40"
  • 1 1
 99% chance you need BAA1130 and BAA1132.

Which bike is it?
  • 1 0
 @someslowguy: Evolve Alpha 29er
  • 2 0
 @Taz123: BAA0971K - Here is the bearing kit you need! I just confirmed what Evolve has bought from us and they use a IS42/IS52 headset. The part number is a 42mm and a 52mm bearing.

-Sam
  • 1 0
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents: Thank you! Is that a 45x45 deg or 45x36 deg
  • 1 0
 @Taz123: If you're using Cane Creek 40-series headset (cover+compring), then you need BAA1130 / BAA1132. Or if you prefer upgrade to Stainless Steel, you need BAA1054 / BAA1055. Happy shredding,
  • 1 0
 @CaneCreekCyclingComponents: @Taz123 the BAA0971K is the old bearing kit but same sizes if you prefer them.

And any 'complete headsets' using Cane Creek comp-ring / cover will be using 36x45 deg bearings. Cane Creek only makes 45x45 deg bearings as replacement for other brands.
  • 2 0
 @someslowguy: Very helpful thank you.

The only question I have is that the models you referred to are 41mm, whereas Sam is saying 42. I plan to eyeball with a ruler to verify what I have installed.
  • 1 0
 @Taz123: I'm wrong. Sam's right, again. Dang it.

BAA0971K is the older 42mm/52mm bearing kit. The current ZN40 42/52 kit is BAA1173 and the Hellbender Stainless 42/52 kit is BAA1179 if you prefer Stainless.

Happy shredding!
  • 2 1
 Why can't I afford to own me some eeWings?
  • 1 0
 Will your progressive coil fit on a fox/marzocci shock?
  • 2 0
 Why no 180 Helm?!
  • 1 0
 The current Helm chassis doesn’t allow us to go to 180mm - Jeff
  • 1 0
 are your rear shoxs worth it? they look good
  • 3 0
 Yes, yes they are. -Sam
  • 1 0
 How about custom colors for the eeWings?
  • 2 0
 Have you seen our Ti Dye and Raven eeWings? - Brent
  • 1 0
 Do you have an angleset headset that works with Trek knock block?
  • 1 0
 how can i get sponsored by cane creek?
  • 1 0
 What’s the weather like there ?
  • 4 0
 Weather here is great! Mild winters (-5c at night and +7c during the day) and moderate summers (15C at night, 25C during the day) . We get 2-5 snow falls a year that last just a few days before it melts, in the summer it rains for about 10-30min every day. The trails are go to go all year!!

-Sam
  • 1 0
 Current Trek Slash, do you have a headset available?
  • 1 0
 Any plans for an in-line coil for 205x60 trunnion please!
  • 1 0
 Also progressive springs for RockShox please
  • 2 0
 mrp does them
  • 2 0
 Aluminum e-wings please
  • 1 0
 @jgainey: I think you misspelled steel
  • 2 1
 All I want to say to the CC team is HELM yeah!!!
  • 1 1
 Where's this Upper Green's lick trail I keep seeing on your IG?
  • 1 0
 Bent Creek Asheville/Brevard, NC.
  • 2 1
 Fold or crinkle?
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