Enduro World Series Round 3, Madeira - Results by pinkbikeaudience

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jaredgraves (May 14, 2017 at 2:07)

Cheers for some more of the expert opinions regarding my flat tire guys. heres some fun facts...
- Specialized has done leaps and bounds to get our tires to the next level, and what we are running now is freaking awesome.
- stage 3 saw a LOT of flat tires, flat Maxxis, flat Schwalbe, Flat Michelin, Flat Hutchinson, flat any brand imaginable, if you would have seen the stage you would understand, No tire is immune to flatting,
- Between 2 ply tires and Cushcore, and sealant I have 1600g worth of weight mounted to my rims (not including the rim)
- im certainly no weight weenie, as some guys have mentioned, my bike is set up to finish the race.
- signing for specialized for the fat pay check, nice one, if you think I have anything in mind except WINNING you are mistaken....
cheers!

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flaflow (May 14, 2017 at 4:01)

Thanks for your time on this insight. You sir are the Man!

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jimferno (May 14, 2017 at 10:57) (Below Threshold)

When you reply to them you give their theories credence, rise above.

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mudmandhbrazil (May 14, 2017 at 11:33) (Below Threshold)

I remember back in the 90s Specialized has some tires don't remember the name Ground Control or something that has in the sidewalls a strip of rubber called Iron Curtain and riding DH with that tire I never had a flat but I don't know about newest Spec tires and casing. For me racing today is the ability to adapt to the ground and most of the time ride heavier casing tires with less pressure to have some grip and finish the race. Is sad that Specialized or Jared and mechanic are not finding the best spot since Jared is having a lot of flats... Hope someone somewhere find a ultimate way to not flat a mtb tire... to much tubeless, double down and procore stuff and still to much flats. I am not having flats but seeing racers doing flat all the time is strange.

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jmrbauer (May 14, 2017 at 11:37)

PB commenter who rides intermediate trails once a week, never raced Enduro and has never seen an EWS course that wasn't on a computer screen: "ACTUALLY......"

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nozes (May 14, 2017 at 12:01)

Thank you Jared for the reply,there's no better way to explain everything.
It was me calling you a weightweenie,I guess I had that (wrong) impression from your 4X days.
Have a healthy and sucessful season!

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handynzl (May 14, 2017 at 12:03)

Anyone flat using Panaracer?
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Joking

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BigE-Rosen (May 14, 2017 at 12:16)

not going to argue with the best enduro rider in the world on this one guys.... he knows more than anyone what hes talking about

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KikiBoy (May 14, 2017 at 12:41)

Most of the people saying that wouldn't even have the balls to ride stage 3 in wet conditions...

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dwmetalfab (May 14, 2017 at 13:01) (Below Threshold)

So you were winning when you were riding for Yeti, so if winning is all you want then how come you havent asked yeti to come back. Nothing else has changed but the bike your riding and your not posting the same results. Soooooo explain why you haven't gone back.

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grizwald (May 14, 2017 at 13:13)

@nozes: good job stepping up and addressing your comment.

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von-rumford (May 14, 2017 at 13:43)

@BigE-Rosen: It was Jared Graves who commented not Richie Rude :p

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Yeti-Farmer (May 14, 2017 at 13:50)

@von-rumford: Ohhh noooo you didn't!!!!!!!!!! ????

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Yeti-Farmer (May 14, 2017 at 13:52) (Below Threshold)

Maybe training with Curtis Keene is slowing you down?

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neroleeloo (May 14, 2017 at 13:58) (Below Threshold)

Sorry bro but the stats don't lie and this attempt to make the big S look better is a bit lame imo... Nice of you to come out here but you've had WAY more flats over the last 2 years than most riders... They might better now but base on my own experience, the current crop of tires in stores isnt nearly as puncture resistent than the competition...Hopefully those magical tires your are running ( and still puncture;-)) will be in store soon with a decent price tag on them

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scottwspangler (May 14, 2017 at 14:25)

Rock on Jared and keep going fast.

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jclnv (May 14, 2017 at 14:35)

@tuumbaq: He may have had flats last year but the tires do seem better now. Grid's aren't bad if you're not going Graves speed but I agree that they need DH sidewall 29" tires for sale regardless of weight.

Oh and Jesse weighs as much as Jared's left leg yet he had major issues with Maxxis.

Shit tons of luck involved and that's one of the many downsides of Enduro.

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Speeder01 (May 14, 2017 at 14:39)

My favorite PB comment ever. Professional. Look it up.

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slayersxc17 (May 14, 2017 at 14:53)

Get em'!!!!

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Ketzal (May 14, 2017 at 14:54)

Freaking awesome Jared. Thanks for chiming in. We so rarely get the actual information. Congrats on the big comeback and solid finish this round.

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nespera (May 14, 2017 at 16:01)

@KikiBoy: Locals do in storm and by night with lights... carzy but someone do it. its

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likeittacky (May 14, 2017 at 16:04)

How did Oton place 3rd and Callaghan WIn? I haven't seen stage 4 results for either day; but what is showing, Oton beat him in every stage?? Anyone????

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srellis13 (May 14, 2017 at 16:32)

I know you do a lot of testing on your bike and all to prepare for the races and all but what I do when I get a flat I fix it then put 2-3 psi more than I was running until it never ever ever happens. It just seems like you've been flatting a lot lately and it kinda makes the tires you run look untrustworthy (I know everyone gets flats but it seems like it happens to you more often than most)! I just feel like I ride at least half as much as you do (granted at 1/3 of the speed) but flat maybe once every 2 months. I know ill get down voted Im just shocked when I here yall are getting like 4 flats in a race I'm like what the hell man just pump those puppies up more and you won't have to deal with it.

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dwmetalfab (May 14, 2017 at 17:23)

@tuumbaq: I don't get why people negative prop the facts. Numbers don't lie. Not only flats, but his times are down, and his injuries are up. Go ahead and negative prop this but facts are facts.

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frenchfriedfun (May 14, 2017 at 17:29)

Don't let the haters get you down, good push Grubby!

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stiksandstones (May 14, 2017 at 18:33)

Graves is the best, more of his words in bicycle media, please.

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beanandcheeseburrito (May 14, 2017 at 19:20)

This is sweet! Feedback from one of the top riders is priceless.

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Speeder01 (May 14, 2017 at 19:43)

In other words, Jared, thank you for weighing in here. It is really cool to hear from one of the best and most experienced right here in the comments section of PB. Its great to see the hard work paying off.

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bbk7 (May 14, 2017 at 20:20)

do people really think they know better than this guy? he's a vet, and has proven many times he's an elite rider. flat tyres can get you at the randomest of times, fix it and carry on (or if you're a pro just carry on coz you get free wheels haha)

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srellis13 (May 14, 2017 at 21:14)

@bbk7: I definetly don't think I know more than Jared f****** Graves I was just kinda wanting to find out at what point when hes testing he says ya know what with this pressure I'm gonna flat sometimes if I mess up or whatever but that's worth it because if I go any higher I'm sacrificing traction

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adrennan (May 14, 2017 at 21:47)

What's this Jared Graves guy know about bikes? Does he race or something

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srellis13 (May 14, 2017 at 21:52)

@adrennan: I'm gonna open up a tombstone company called Jared's Graves even though my name is not Jared

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fracasnoxteam (May 14, 2017 at 22:50)

@srellis13: the "1/3 of the speed" section is the answer

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srellis13 (May 14, 2017 at 23:06)

@fracasnoxteam: hahaha that was an exaggeration ill bet there are times when I go at least 2/3 his speed, and probably like 5/6 his speed when he has a flat

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headshot (May 15, 2017 at 0:45)

Spot on. The average PB commentator also rides at half the pace of the pros or less so their tyres take half as much strain. It's a different world muchachos.

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sweatytechie (May 15, 2017 at 2:27)

"if you think I have anything in mind except WINNING you are mistaken" - this is what everyone adding their opinion on how not to flat needs to think about. Maybe you can add 2 PSI more pressure, maybe you can run even thicker tyres...but on every slick corner and every uphill pedal you could lose fractions of a second, and over 2 days if you lose 20 seconds you are off the podium, let alone WINNING.

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brajal (May 15, 2017 at 4:19)

@nozes: tss tss shame on you ...

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foggeloggliod (May 15, 2017 at 7:26)

Cushcore is the real hero!

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ryanandrewrogers (May 15, 2017 at 7:37)

I think the number of flats this weekend further proves my theory that enduro racing is going to move toward adaptive tire pressure techniques, with riders releasing or pumping up their tires at the bottom of a stage in preparation for the next one. Riders would decide the pressures they wanted on stages in practicing and then for stages like stage 3 madiera for example, be adding pressure to their tires to avoid flats, which appear to be a far greater deterrent to podium finishes than even lack of skill. Just a theory however.

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srellis13 (May 15, 2017 at 7:37)

@headshot: totally agree but to be fair a lot of us would probably flat on stage three or seven with his setup just cuz we aren't nearly as smooth

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mbruhns (May 15, 2017 at 11:38)

@ryanandrewrogers: Many of us racing (surviving?) in Madeira were doing just that

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jaredgraves (May 15, 2017 at 13:38)

@srellis13: I could type all day to this, but to cut a long story short, when you flat..2-3 psi extra is not the answer

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thustlewhumber (May 15, 2017 at 15:44)

@jaredgraves: Since you are reading this thread, I wanted to let you know that www.pinkbike.com/news/jared-graves-incredible-comeback-at-whistler-ews-2014.html is one of the most inspirational things I've ever read on reasons why to Never Give Up!

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srellis13 (May 15, 2017 at 16:05)

@jaredgraves: for me it is cuz I'm not as serious about racing as you and I don't like fixing flats. Just an average joe ya know. Thank you so much for replying though!! Are you racing the Big Mountain Enduro in Santa Fe?

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shimanodx (May 16, 2017 at 3:20)

The only tire that doesn't go flat is the spare one around our waist (sad and ashamed face)

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srellis13 (May 16, 2017 at 9:01)

@Shitbrakes: haha you mean the one that's inflated with rotten gluten and tiny air bubbles?

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jayacheess (May 13, 2017 at 9:52)

Fuck yeah, Jesse Melamed!

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bashhard (May 14, 2017 at 12:37)

So gutted for him breaking his wheel!

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RockyMountainBicycles (May 13, 2017 at 10:16)

Yew! So good to see Jesse emerging as a true podium threat at any race he enters.

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endocalrissian (May 13, 2017 at 14:11)

Its all about his mechanic!!!

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RockyMountainBicycles (May 13, 2017 at 16:34)

@Shulman: Jeff is as meticulous as they come!

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adrock-whistler (May 14, 2017 at 12:55)

So bummed for Jesse. He's got the pace though and will come back to fight another day.

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Ketzal (May 13, 2017 at 9:59)

Noticed Keegan Wright nearly won stage 4. Second by less than one second. Put solid time into most of the pros. He's a serious young talent from NZ. When he puts a full race weekend together he'll be on the podium. Hopefully one of the big teams takes notice and signs him to a full pro deal.

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likeittacky (May 13, 2017 at 10:32) (Below Threshold)

OTON SHOULD BE IN 3rd NOT CALLAGHAN

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pinkbikeuser14753 (May 13, 2017 at 11:16)

@likeittacky: but Oton is 4th and Callaghan is 3rd

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pyromaniac (May 13, 2017 at 11:34)

I wonder what happend to Thomas Lapeyrie. He won the first stage, came second on the second stage and then lost about a minute and a half on stage three.

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catalanfc (May 13, 2017 at 11:50)

@pyromaniac: word on the street is punctured on stage 3

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patrick-marsh (May 13, 2017 at 12:15)

He certinaly is fast. Has won about 6 in a row in a major enduro here in nz the giant 2w beating guys like masters and leov. Won national DH too

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kiwi-in-ns (May 13, 2017 at 13:37)

www.pinkbike.com/news/keegan-wright-signs-with-specialized-2017.html

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Ketzal (May 13, 2017 at 14:27)

@KiwiXC: Sadly I think that deal with Speacilized is just a local NZ deal. Definitely not a factory deal just yet. I imagine it comes down to how his international season goes. Winning an EWS stage would definitely help. His local results proved he has speed. Stage four against the EWS pros just proved he has the speed to beat the best in the world.

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stubestrong (May 14, 2017 at 0:16)

@pyromaniac: quite a few suffered tyre failure

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Verbl-Kint (May 14, 2017 at 3:39)

Giant should've signed Keegan Wright, he'd already won quite a few races on the Reign and Glory against world class competition relatively recently.

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Fliberico (May 13, 2017 at 9:55)

Go Noga! OMG 3rd place ???? huge respect, such a talented rider "Ya Waradi!!!"

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excavator666 (May 13, 2017 at 10:30)

Good man Greg! Mr. Consistent.

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rolandpoland (May 14, 2017 at 0:37)

He lives at the top of the results board now. Cla'

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visser62 (May 13, 2017 at 9:49)

I know we haven't had a dry race yet, but man is Dailly good. That kid just might win this title.

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Maverickdh00 (May 13, 2017 at 11:59)

Good to see this fella racing again! 53rd 88 Matti LEHIKOINEN

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yarondot (May 13, 2017 at 10:45)

Go Noga go . great race 3rd plce for the Israely privetir. we all want to see you on the podium tomorrow .keep on the gret riding

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hunty101 (May 13, 2017 at 10:05)

Fantastic consistency this year from Greg !!!! bloody well-done lad

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happymarmite (May 13, 2017 at 14:14)

Dailly is way underrated. Raced U21 with him last year and no one seemed to take notice even then he was getting times in the top 10 in pro. He's a seriously quick rider and I have my money on him for the overall.

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stubestrong (May 14, 2017 at 0:22)

He's got the ability as a future champ, Winners don't need media, wannabes flood media to justify there factory deals.

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gbcarmona (May 13, 2017 at 9:51)

Go Bex!...just outside of the top 10 by jus a few seconds...when is a factory team going to start supporting this obviously talented girl?

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vp27 (May 13, 2017 at 9:54)

Yes, and don't forget Noga Korem. Good to see the depth in the women's field increasing.

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stubestrong (May 13, 2017 at 12:51)

A few I asked said no interest

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foxinsocks (May 13, 2017 at 12:29)

Kick some ass Noga! Privateer on the podium! hell yeah!

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tblore (May 14, 2017 at 13:50)

@foxinsocks if I'm in Jaffa right now, how far away are some good trails?

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karatechris (May 14, 2017 at 14:21)

Great to see a privateer getting a podium. Surely a big name will come in with an offer next year.

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ma0r33 (May 14, 2017 at 16:47)

@tblore: you got some great trails in Ben Shemen.
It's about half an hour from Jaffa by car.

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yossyud (May 14, 2017 at 22:02)

@tblore: you got Ben Shemen 20 minutes from you.
However, for steeper trails you should go north to Mishmar Haemek (about an hour drive) or reat to the sugar trail

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saruti (May 14, 2017 at 22:47)

mtbholic.com/getting-know-noga-korem

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mi-bike (May 15, 2017 at 1:32)

@saruti: Nice read. "My ambition this season is to be in the top ten." Time to adjust expectations!

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tblore (May 15, 2017 at 5:36)

Awesome thank you! @yossyud: any bike shops you recommend?

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saruti (May 15, 2017 at 7:13)

@tblore: if you come to Israel, PM me.

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tayto2 (May 14, 2017 at 14:08)

Fair play Callaghan's!! Greg takes the win and is #1 overall and Killian 2 overall. Can't wait for the next round in Ireland!!

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neimbc (May 13, 2017 at 11:37)

OK, Robin Wallner laying it down! Go all the way!

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PauRexs (May 14, 2017 at 13:46)

PB as official media from EWS I think you should gives us complete results of everey stage... At least a link... Also brief resume would be apreciated... Damn this is the true series to follow and is hard to follow the information... I think we could get better more instantanious... This sport deserves it.

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Arin (May 13, 2017 at 13:38)

Noga you are such a talent, respect!
כל הכבוד תותחיתתתתתת !!

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Munopana (May 13, 2017 at 15:14)

It seems that Noga Korem is rapidly emerging as a podium contender at each round this year. Last round in Tassie PB had some close ups of her bike. Nice to see a second from top of range 2016 Giant Reign in near stock form on a podium. Not bad for a bike I bought at end of season prices for $4750 Aud. Never has been "all about the bike". Now I just have to remember this when I'm upgrading my new Rocky Mountain Altitude.......

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steinbex (May 13, 2017 at 19:19)

Any news on Sam Hill? I get the feeling he's holding back and going to throw the kitchen sink at it tomorrow. He did the same in Tassie, held back the first half of the race then came from a fair way back to take a podium. Watch his space.

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murfio (May 14, 2017 at 0:48)

Apparently he had a problem with his foreskin retracting at the start of one of the longer stages and suffered with some serious chafing all the way down which slowed him down.

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suspended-flesh (May 14, 2017 at 11:47)

They won't understand but you probably won't top -80. Cheers tho @murfio:

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ontopoftheworld (May 13, 2017 at 10:17)

Nice work jesse . Keep up the good work

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likeittacky (May 13, 2017 at 10:25)

How does Oton place place 4th behind Callaghan; when he beat him in every stage ?????

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pmbaenduro (May 13, 2017 at 10:41)

as they havent printed the stage 4 times for the men

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likeittacky (May 13, 2017 at 10:47)

@pmbaenduro: oops

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James-R (May 13, 2017 at 10:55)

Gwan the Greg!!

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weebleswobbles (May 13, 2017 at 11:17)

Fuck yea Miranda Miller!

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weebleswobbles (May 13, 2017 at 11:19)

Oh shit and Casey Brown !

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WinRider (May 13, 2017 at 22:27)

Excellent result Noga!
The podium is calling you and we know you are going to reach it

כל הכבוד נגה, גאים בך ומלווים אותך מרחוק

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Maxxis (May 13, 2017 at 9:50)

Yeah Jesse!

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jclnv (May 13, 2017 at 10:33)

As usual flats dictate who wins. Graves looks like he might have been leading without the stage 3 flat.

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Ketzal (May 13, 2017 at 10:46)

Graves has had so many flats it's stunning the team haven't done something drastic to solve it. It's either his style of riding or something to do with his Specialized tires. Given the truly insane amount of flats Specialized's XC racers have had over the past year, I'd say it's tire related. If you wrote a list of all the international level events lost in the last year with Specialized XC tires, it'd be a long list. Same story with Graves. He's either crashed or punctured on many occasions while in the hunt for a win. The Specialized tires seem to be regularly letting down the athletes. No pun intended...

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justanotherusername (May 13, 2017 at 11:28)

@Ketzal: As you say, its tyres isn't it, Graves didn't seem to get as many on Maxxis and he doesn't seem like a smash / pound kind of rider like some of the other guys.

Does he run a proto casing? The standard Specialized Grid (I think that's right?) casing is fine for my kind of aggro trail riding but wouldn't cut it riding DH course style terrain, especially at his kind of pace!

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nozes (May 13, 2017 at 11:36) (Below Threshold)

Graves always have been a bit of a weightweenie when it comes to tires,and has paid the price for it many times. Most notoriously,loosing the 4X worlds at Canberra with a blown tire when in the lead.

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justanotherusername (May 13, 2017 at 11:49)

@nozes: Time to learn from that, no point having a light bike if you cant finish, especially as enduro isn't a single stage race, its all about consistency and you cant have that without a reliable bike.

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catalanfc (May 13, 2017 at 11:53)

weirdly they don't seem to get any issue with their DH rubbers, but they definitely struggle with the enduro gig

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aushred (May 13, 2017 at 12:50)

Graves Is also running Cush Core tyre inserts this year, seems to have helped him so far, but nothing will stop shitty casings tearing

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salespunk (May 13, 2017 at 12:55)

I know he has tried CushCore this year as well. Not sure if he is has been willing to take the weight penalty on a race day.

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dwmetalfab (May 13, 2017 at 13:26) (Below Threshold)

Pros don't ride for specialized because they want to win, they are just looking for sweet pay check. But with all the injuries you will incure by racing one there will be plenty of vacation time as well.

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aljoburr (May 13, 2017 at 15:15)

@nozes: Yes Graves lost 4x worlds in 2007 in Fort William as well, when rolled tyre off his rim in last corner while leading

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Zaff (May 13, 2017 at 15:45)

@nozes: He's always been the opposite. He doesn't look at build weights, and has always said "build the bike for what it's intended to do, it'll build to whatever weight is necessary."

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jzPV (May 13, 2017 at 15:58)

@nozes: I doubt this is becauso of light tires. graves was a lot beefier during is 4x days and used to snap hardtail frames in the gate.
as far as I know he had zero race flats while on the ews with maxxis.

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steinbex (May 13, 2017 at 19:16)

@Zaff: Thats right, Graves in an interview only last year said bike weight is irrelevant. I doubt he'll be sacrificing tyre durability for weight. Not many people in Perth WA use Specialized tyres as they are as thick as rice paper and don't last on our rocky trails. Maxxis all the way..

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bobtjustice (May 13, 2017 at 11:38)

Hon Greg!

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cool3 (May 14, 2017 at 12:04)

Just noticed that Richie Rude won stages 8 & 9: www.vitalmtb.com/news/news/FINAL-RESULTS-Callaghan-and-Ravanel-WIn-EWS-Madeira,1042 It's gonna be a hot season!

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jburnz (May 13, 2017 at 11:22)

Yea I rode specialized tires last year and they def not same as normal I had way to many flats switched to maxxis

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Archimonde (May 13, 2017 at 11:35)

Cecile Ravanel shows who's boss as usual =)

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nekislav (May 14, 2017 at 12:42)

Damn it! I think coverage is getting worse from race to race. Yeah, great epic photos and all but is it really so hard for someone to stand by the track with a camera on eg. stage 3 if there was such carnage and film some action and put it on the net?? I really dont need epic slowmo shots with crappy music of three riders on three sections!
Everybody is all in on who was seen on 29er on DH race! F$#$ you!!!!!! Ride your bike!

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Nairnster (May 13, 2017 at 9:38)

Cecile is still pretty dominant. But good to see Cordurier and Korem up there.

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ibishreddin (May 13, 2017 at 9:48)

That dirt looks spectacular

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chmod (May 13, 2017 at 9:50)

8 and 9 min racing. Crazy.

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RedBurn (May 13, 2017 at 10:08) (Below Threshold)

Cross country: 1h30 of racing... beasts

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chmod (May 13, 2017 at 10:11)

@RedBurn: XC back in the day: 2h!

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ugez (May 13, 2017 at 13:26)

@RedBurn: Ive riden a bit less than 2km dh course, took me atleast 6mins(probably less than 3mins by a pro), and my hands hurts like hell. Cant imagine doing a 9-min(for a pro) course at that pace.