Gang-Related Shooting in Whistler Leaves 2 Dead, Disrupts Resort Operations
On July 24th two men were shot outside the Sundial Hotel in Whistler, British Columbia, at approximately 12:30pm. The hotel is located steps away from the village, and in close proximity to the gondola and chairlifts used for mountain biking and hiking. Photos on social media showed empty lift lines and bikes left in place as riders sought safety after shots were heard.
According to police, one of the victims was pronounced dead on the scene, and the other succumbed to their injuries at a local medical clinic.
B.C.'s IHIT (Integrated Homicide Investigation Team) has said that the shootings were targeted and gang related. A burning car was also linked to the murders. Two men were later arrested in Squamish in relation to the shootings.
Whistler Blackcomb suspended operations for the remainder of the day after the shootings “out of respect for all of those impacted.”
After the suspects had been arrested, Inspector Robert Dykstra, Officer in Charge of the Sea to Sky RCMP, said, “I’m confident with the work done by our investigators that there remains no risk to community safety.”
Police are asking anyone with information about the case to contact the Whistler RCMP at 604-932-3044, or contact Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS, or go to http://www.solve crime.ca.
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“Over the last two years, there’s been such an influx of outlaw farmers that southern Oregon now rivals California’s notorious Emerald Triangle as a national center of illegal weed cultivation. Even though marijuana cultivation has been legal in Oregon since 2014, Jackson County Sheriff Nate Sickler says there could be up to 1,000 illegal operations in a region of more than 4,000 square miles. The Oregon Liquor and Cannabis Commission, which oversees the state’s $1.2 billion legal cannabis industry, estimates the number of illicit operations is double that.
Local law enforcement officials believe that people from every U.S. state and as many as 20 countries have purchased property in Jackson or Josephine counties. Cartels roll in and offer long-time residents as much as a million dollars in cash for their property, and hoop houses follow soon after the sale is complete. Residents have become accustomed to hearing Bulgarian, Chinese, Russian and even Hebrew spoken at the grocery store.“
The obvious problem is having the US right next door to feed unlimited supply of these weapons in to the black market, which makes the measure kind of pointless.
But then we have to ask ourselves: should we worry about poor regulations in other countries which we can't control, and decide to do nothing because this limits the effectiveness of any measure we attempt?
Put another way: if the US weren't right next door, would the gun ban reduce the ability of murders and mass shooters to access weapons? Yes, it would. So why should we do nothing because of the US's bad influence?
100% logical. Very easy to do for a politician and gives them something to point to when asked if they accomplished anything.
What they should point to is crime statistics, results. Which would take a different approach.
But you are correct, that is exactly the train of thought they are promoting.
Unfortunately, many people view statistics as Christian fundamentaliats view evolution.
When they outlaw a gun I own, they force me to act to stay on the side of the law I want to be on. What happens to a gang member when this law comes into effect? What are they complied to do or act? Any change? This is a cause/effect way of looking at things. Not popular. Im all for resetting and having a society without guns if the result is better than what we have now. But that won’t happen, can’t happen. So changes need to affect the criminals. Effort needs to en placed there and when that is exhausted and we measure the results, then we can look at the benefits of stepping on the toes of law abiding citizens. As long as it is measured and revisited in a responsible manner.
That sounds like a dream, buddy
I love how all you guys think a double murder is an opportunity for free shit, if I'm woke then you guys must be the zombie horde!
“Police say the BC Prosecution Service has approved the charges against 24-year-old Gursimran Sahota and 20-year-old Tanvir Khakh, both from Surrey.“
Well now that I’ve seen every North Korea documentary and Keep Sweet, Pray and Obey. Down the rabbit hole of South Asia gangs.
Glad peeps are OK
There won't be 0 gun crimes ever and your statement about Australia is far from interesting.
The highest murder rate in all of USA is DC, which in effect almost have (had) an outright ban on guns.
The highest total number of murders per state was California, with incredibly strict gun laws, even compared to much of Europe.
You Americans are just really fond of killing eachother for some reason, banning guns won't stop that.
Have fun as you alternately burn up and freeze due to putting all of your energy eggs in a Russian basket...
That said gun crime is nearly non existent here, it mostly involves organised crime fighting each other when it does occur. The chance of a citizen going about their everyday lives being a victim of a gun crime is close to the chance of being struck by lightning.
Oh and you can still own firearms. I own five and will be getting one to two more within the next year. I’m glad that there aren’t firearms out in the community with very few restrictions like other places in the world. Australia is a much safer place as a result of it, but more importantly it has prevented untold number of suicides. That’s peoples parents, spouses, siblings, and children that are alive because of the laws. It was an unexpected consequence after the change in legislation. These consequences are worth any restrictions that are placed on me as a firearm owner.
Need to catch these @#$*%, then melt down their guns.
The thing people really care about, I think, is the legally purchased guns used in the mass shootings we've been seeing a constant stream of since the 90s which, in my opinion, have no place in a civil society. The guy in Buffalo, just like the guy in Uvalde, wasn't a criminal. He purchased a gun legally and broke no laws until he started killing lots of innocent people, for no other reason than being mad at the world. The fact that those folks could easily get their hands on weapons capable of such devastation is a problem.
Not really the root cause of the problem there.
They could do way more damage by driving their car into a schoolbus or a busy shopping street.
Why do people end up wanting to murder as many innocents as they can?
And how do you stop that from happening?
Those are questions that could lead to a meaningful solution, or at least reduce the scale of the problem.
Just putting out blanket bans, only affects people that actually obey the law.
There's also the morality of restricting freedoms, which is objectively evil, even for "the greater good".
Shit's quite complex, and there's no perfect solution, but restricting everything to the point where no evil can be done, that would lead to a dystopian hell.
Romania has a very very low tolerance for weapon possession in general, and I'm ok with that.
"Stupid" needs to be kept under strict control, and if that means that I won't ever be able to own a gun, I'm ok with it.
No threat from guns = No need for me to own a gun
...it only leads to an escalation/arms race, within a society
...just my 2 cents, so please, all you "it's my right to have a gun" princesses, please abstain from unnecessary comments
California is reducing taxes on legal grows, because illegal weed is undercutting everywhere.
Very soon, the taxes that were so highly touted "for the children", won't make up for the human toll.
TIL: gangs exist in Whistler.
What can I say... Even Canada isn't safe...
just look at the vampires negpropping you, it's their ass on the line as well and they're against reality. suicidal if you ask me. it's like half the population are clinical cases these days.
All Hail The Black Market still has t-shirts in stock if you are interested.
Someone postulated that children raised in single-parent homes are more prone to the type of gun and gang violence on display in Whistler yesterday. One parent, rather than two, strongly implies an unwanted child. And abortion is one way to ensure that half-unwanted child never has a chance to commit violence. That's an ugly sentence to write (hence the suggestion of permabanning me) but may also be an effective solution according to a certain well-known academic:
www.nber.org/papers/w25863
pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf
Now, time to make like a good not-yet-father and pull out of this thing before it gets too hot.
If everyone was allowed to have a gun, and open carry I bet we’d see a lot less gun violence.
Please tell me you are joking, seriously!!!!!
Are you willing to ban vehicles? If this is about saving lives, more people die in automobile accidents.
A few facts:
In the U.S., guns killed more than cars in 2017 and 2018 with that trend looking to continue.
www.cnn.com/2022/02/23/us/guns-leading-cause-of-trauma-related-deaths/index.html
Many gun deaths are from suicide:
www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s
Several gun control policies have significant evidence that they decrease suicide rates:
www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/suicide.html
Wonder why that study doesn't want to use an actual number.
Remove suicide and lets talk.
crimeandjusticeresearchalliance.org/rsrch/impact-of-gun-ownership-on-crime-rates
The last key point is the most important.
Key Findings
Of the 90 findings from 41 studies reviewed only four (8%) findings were based on validated measure of gun prevalence used more than five control variables, and correctly used causal order procedures.
17% of the findings were methodologically sound and showed a positive and significant correlation between gun ownership and homicide.
The more methodologically sound the study is, the less likely it supports the hypothesis that more guns is correlated to more crime.
I am not about taking everyone's guns away, but the justification and non-sensical arguments that people use to defend guns like they were their "firstborn child who can do no wrong" is ridiculous. I get that responsible citizens carrying guns are not causing problems. However, I think you have to be a fanatic if you can't see that guns in the wrong hands is a major problem today.
Canada's population is 38M while the US is 329M. So 11.5% of the US population. However, you can use the number of occurrences and the population size to get rates per capita. Canada's rate would be 0.72 Homicide deaths by firearm per 100,000 people. While the rate in the US would be 5.88 per 100,000 people. So after adjusting for population size we can determine (if the homicide numbers are accurate) that the rate of homicide by firearms in the US is 8 times higher than in Canada. That is a huge difference for neighboring 1st world democratic countries.
Why not talk about suicide? It's a huge drawback to prevalent gun ownership and needs to be addressed.
The study you linked does not support your hypothesis - "If everyone was allowed to have a gun, and open carry I bet we’d see a lot less gun violence." - at all, it's completely tangential.
Also, if you look at the statistics (objective statistics) gun violence rates are highest in the least regulated open carry states (alaska, alabama and montana), etc). Not sure if objective facts count as propaganda.
I know it's fun to say stuff without any actual data, but it's kind of dumb.
history.howstuffworks.com/american-history/ridiculous-history-the-wild-wild-west-was-really-the-mild-mild-west.htm
now go praise jesus.
you'll die in hell, that's what.
Also if you regulate your guns properly even in high gun ownership countries you get little gun violence. I don't feel some weird dude in Leaderhosen and a feater in his hat will kill me in Bavaria so stop with the BS. Countries with stronger gun laws get less gun violence. They still get it but it's statistics that matter.
But yea, that goes against the narrative.
That being said I am sure there are lots of law-abiding citizens at the shopping mall that may carry guns and I have never had a problem with them. But in the wrong hands it allows the violence to be much more deadly.
Regarding the Mall thing - I quickly edited my comment above probably at the same time you responded. I figured you must have been typing your comment at the same time.
"I realize this instance was terrorism, but the Boston Marathon Bombing rings a bell."
It takes a lot of effort to build a bomb and place it properly without killing yourself, and the FBI catches a lot of people who try to do so because of the controls on the parts and ingredients. If they sold bombs to private citizens we would have much bigger problems. But yeah, I agree that a sufficiently motivated, careful evil person can do a lot of harm without guns. But the availability of guns does make it easier for that person to accomplish their goal. But if you love owning guns, don't you still agree that it is worth trying to make it harder for them to be used by the 1% of people that are going to use them to do something really bad? There is not a perfect solution, and law and rules often don't work, but reasonable laws and steps often do. I must admit that I have zero confidence in politicians to try and find that solution.
It's a cultural problem and idiots ignore this.
"Wait, there was a shooting n the same town where people ride bikes?"
"Yeah, we should report on that cuz it's be an a slow week and well, we got nothin' else"
"But don't you think people will notice is not worthy?"
"Sure, but then they'll just complain, argue about guns and stuff, this increases clicks, all good!"
2) Are you saying criminals and victims can't be mountain bikers?
3) If it is a slow news week but PB didn't publish anything you'd be here complaining that there's nothing going on and making suggestions about what they could be reporting on. See #1.
4) Just my opinion, but this happening in Whistler at arguably one of if not the top bike-destination resort in the world makes it bike-related.
2) Where are the images of these guys? Why no photos? Let's keep ignoring reality.
And I don't understand the need for photos and how that relates to ignoring reality.
Anyway, stay well in whatever town we may or may not like that you live in.
You don't understand the need for photos identifying people who shoot other people in public? Well, okay then.