Fox Racing Shox showed Pinkbike its Live Valve electronic suspension controls in July 2015. Aside from some cosmetics, Fox's Live Valve was
fully functional and installed in dedicated X-type EVOL Float shocks, and a module was in production that plugs into to its existing Float 34 and 36 forks as well. After putting some ride time on the system it became crystal clear that Fox had taken electronically controlled adaptive suspension to a new level, producing full-time plush feeling suspension action, along with a degree of pedaling performance that had yet to be attained by mechanical or electronic means.
Live Valve's effectiveness relies upon speed. Its low-energy solenoid-controlled compression valve employs natural hydraulic forces to open and close in five milliseconds. The valve is controlled by an even faster-acting computer algorithm that uses accelerometers placed on un-sprung regions of the fork and rear suspension to respond to impacts before they can be felt by the bike's human occupant. In Live Valve's nearly perfect world, the bike's suspension remains nearly locked out until either wheel has an impact event, after which, Live Valve opens the shock or fork's compression damping to control the impact and then waits momentarily for an additional hit before it reverts again to "lockout" mode. The system's sensitivity is adjustable, its battery life is pegged at an average of 25 hours, and it will retrofit to most bikes that can accept a Float X-type reservoir shock.
Fox understands that having a bombproof and very effective electronically controlled suspension system is not of itself a guarantee of success and, reportedly, they are planning to proceed carefully as they release Live Valve into the market to ensure that the system is well understood by potential customers and shops and that it is well supported. Live Valve couldn't have arrived at a more opportune time, as the popularity of enduro pushes geometry and suspension design away from the side of pedaling efficiency and towards the gravity-specific realm of DH. Fox's Live Valve suspension offers bike designers full-time, pedal-friendly performance in all power modes, which frees them to optimize suspension curves exclusively for traction and terrain. Beyond enduro, Live Valve promises to enhance the performance of any mountain bike's suspension, from XC racers to basic trail bikes.
I need more eggplant....
Otherwise, I could make a smartass comment relative to worrying about wear on a steel 9t sprocket, but not caring about wear on a 44t aluminum sprocket ;-)
Two decades ago the XD hub didn't exist. Now that I own and use an XD hub, I'll never go back to the other dinosaur hub.
Leonardi also released their extended range hubs way before e*13 did, but they cost more and don't offer replaceable gear sections. So I suppose it would be more innovative ...
- said someone about every innovation that is now commonplace on modern bikes.
I stand by my assertion, and i'll remind you in 5 years.
The Di2 battery, charger and display alone are 300$. Someone will surely make a cheaper version of all of it for under 100$. Perhaps someone can make a cheaper shifter for 50$. You are still left with the rear mech which costs over 3 times more than a standard one, so Di2 SLX rear will easily cost 200$. Adding it all you end up at MSRPs of 450$.
U-otter: car stanavs - really? What about air moisturizers or cup cake makers?
At it's launch in early 2013, XX1 was the only 1x game in town. There were no expanders, no third party N/W chainrings, and no third party direct mount cranks. You wanted 1x11, you needed the XX1 shifter, mech, cassette, chain, crank w/chainring, and BB. Since it was brand new there was no used option, there was no "hack" method. If you wanted it, you bought a new $6000+ bike with it, or you bought the groupset for just over $1900. The cassette ALONE was over $500! It wasn't until X01 was announced that the third party options hit the market and XX1 dropped to $1500.
So, again, if you wanted 1x11 in early 2013, you paid almost $2000 for it. Period. Now, you can get 1x11 via XT M8000 for as low as $250.
Five years from now, Shimano's competitors and third party companies will be offering their own electronic drivetrains, parts, and hacks. Also, Di2 will have made it's way down to SLX and maybe even Deore. That's how it works. There is no way an SLX derailleur, electronic or otherwise, will ever cost more than (the inflation adjusted equivalent of) $100. Never.
We have these exact same types of discussions EVERY time something revolutionary is announced. Seriously. I googled the XX1 launch to double check my prices and browsed through the comment sections from back then. It's hilarious.
And you are correct that manual drivetrains will never completely go away.
So, if we admit that the low end shit will have it, no matter how crappy it will be, and the high end already has it, and the mid range will get it in a couple of years, I believe that would pretty much be taking over the industry.
are you sure you're not writing from a remote server and really holed up in some corner of northern California? Or an alias for Thomas Pynchon? Could be one and the same, as Gravity's Rainbow was written 'round these parts.
Sadly I do know the answer though: it is that we don't know the answer until anyone has done a scientific test about this. Still very interesting thing to think about...
@mikekazimer: the test was indeed done with the same tyre pressure. But the same test also showed that less tyre pressure also results into less rolling resistance when riding off road, again because of the easier deformation of the tyres. This doesn't work on road bikes though as they ride on smooth surfaces.
Because you can ride wider tyres at lower air pressure, you can double win (both on width and pressure) on riding wider tyres. EDIT: actually triple win because you have more grip so you can go faster through corners aswell.
But I agree with you, if it's my money I want the lowest price for the best I can get. Skipping the middle man will help save you some money!
LBS for everything service related for sure tho.
You're not gonna convince anyone to see your point of view on the comment section, and especially not coming across like that.
Ain't that a bright future!
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Dropper is intriguing even if I hate the idea of the electronics. Being able to have one dropper and saddle and move it effortlessly from one bike to another would be swell. Biggest pitfall of that dropper right now is the delay in activation. If I remember correctly from the article at Interbike or when the dropper was announced, there is a 1.5 second delay between when you press the button, and when the seat can be lowered/raised. That's about 1.45 seconds too long in a lot of situations.
The shock seems like a gimmick, especially compared to a well damped shock and good suspension kinematics you can just leave alone.
Shimano's drivetrain is only restricted to that by their lack of a 28t crank offering. If you pair a SRAM 28t crank with the Shimano rear end you'd be able to run a the 11-42 cassette and achieve the same ratio.
And don't give me the "I shouldn't have to cross-contaminate my group set" speech. You're the customer, do whatever makes your bike feel the best to you. My point is that it is not *required* that you run a 45 tooth cassette to achieve a usable ratio.
"This difference in range affects virtually nobody" I may be a minority, but I need the 2x10 range. You're right though, I don't have trails where I need the big ratios, but am I the only one who pedals to the trail because I don't live close to them or because I don't want to drive? On the road I need the big ratio.
That said, the range at the low end is a billion times more important than the range at the high end. The difference between the 10-42 and 11-45 cassette is so minute it's pointless to mention, and even the one tooth increase that you get with the 10-42 cassette vs the 11-42 cassette is inconsequential cause it's at the top end of the range. It's nearly impossible to justify the significant extra cost of a SRAM cassette just to get a one tooth increase in range.
That said, I'm running the 45t expander on my 29er because I need that low gear for those huge wheels, and a 28t chainring just looks ridiculous. I'm surprised they aren't made exclusively in pink, since they're so dainty. Not to mention the nightmare that is the bb30. I'm actually running the praxis conversion BB specifically to avoid that POS.
I don't have that much time on my e*13 to offer a long range evaluation yet, but so far no problem.
So please share your direct, actual e*13 9t cog experience with us. It's a rhetorical question. You clearly have none ...
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What happened to shapeshifter?