Pinkbike Awards - Innovation of the Year Nominees

Dec 28, 2015 at 20:27
by Pinkbike Staff  
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Innovation of the Year: Nominees


Cockpit, drivetrain, and suspension designers each earned nominations in this year's contest for Innovation of the Year. Magura's Vyron eLECT remote controlled wireless dropper seat post was one of the first products to be nominated, for removing the hoses, holes, and housing from the dropper equation while simplifying the control room. e*thirteen's TRS+ extended-range cassette was chosen because it cleverly solves at least two performance issues that were overlooked by SRAM and Shimano without requiring any "new standards." Fox Racing Shox earned a nomination for its Live Valve electronic fork and shock, which comes as close as any rider could hope for in the quest for a gravity-optimized suspension that also provides full-time pedaling firmness. Unquestionably innovative, each of our nominees is nearing production and will most likely write another chapter in the mountain bike industry's saga of performance improvement.






Fox Live Valve


Fox Live Valve Electronic Suspension

Support, pedaling efficiency, and unhindered suspension action.

Fox Racing Shox showed Pinkbike its Live Valve electronic suspension controls in July 2015. Aside from some cosmetics, Fox's Live Valve was fully functional and installed in dedicated X-type EVOL Float shocks, and a module was in production that plugs into to its existing Float 34 and 36 forks as well. After putting some ride time on the system it became crystal clear that Fox had taken electronically controlled adaptive suspension to a new level, producing full-time plush feeling suspension action, along with a degree of pedaling performance that had yet to be attained by mechanical or electronic means.

Live Valve's effectiveness relies upon speed. Its low-energy solenoid-controlled compression valve employs natural hydraulic forces to open and close in five milliseconds. The valve is controlled by an even faster-acting computer algorithm that uses accelerometers placed on un-sprung regions of the fork and rear suspension to respond to impacts before they can be felt by the bike's human occupant. In Live Valve's nearly perfect world, the bike's suspension remains nearly locked out until either wheel has an impact event, after which, Live Valve opens the shock or fork's compression damping to control the impact and then waits momentarily for an additional hit before it reverts again to "lockout" mode. The system's sensitivity is adjustable, its battery life is pegged at an average of 25 hours, and it will retrofit to most bikes that can accept a Float X-type reservoir shock.

Fox understands that having a bombproof and very effective electronically controlled suspension system is not of itself a guarantee of success and, reportedly, they are planning to proceed carefully as they release Live Valve into the market to ensure that the system is well understood by potential customers and shops and that it is well supported. Live Valve couldn't have arrived at a more opportune time, as the popularity of enduro pushes geometry and suspension design away from the side of pedaling efficiency and towards the gravity-specific realm of DH. Fox's Live Valve suspension offers bike designers full-time, pedal-friendly performance in all power modes, which frees them to optimize suspension curves exclusively for traction and terrain. Beyond enduro, Live Valve promises to enhance the performance of any mountain bike's suspension, from XC racers to basic trail bikes.
Fox Live Valve Shock
The shock's Live Valve module sits beside the IFP reservoir.

Live Valve
The Live Valve module for the fork threads into the damper side of its Float 34 and 36 forks.

Fox Live Valve
Fox chose an external battery box (configured for various locations) to keep the on/off and mode functions in one place.






TRS 11-speed x 44 cassette 2015


e*Thirteen TRS+ Cassette

Broader gearing than SRAM's 1 x 11 and cross-compatible with Shimano shifting.

SRAM's use of a smaller 10-tooth cassette cog did more than broaden the upper gearing range of its 11-speed one-by drivetrain. By shrinking the smallest cog, SRAM also reduced the diameter of the largest cog to 42 teeth. Shimano's 11-speed cassette (restricted to an 11-tooth cog) requires a pie-pan-sized 45-tooth cog to achieve a comparable range.

Who cares? Your rear derailleur does, because the larger the sprocket, the lower it must hang to shift to it - and that exposes one of the most fragile and expensive components of your bike to ugly rocks and snags.

e*thirteen sought to further broaden the gearing spread of SRAM's 11 by 42 cassette to give one-by users the full range of a two-chainring drivetrain. To minimize its overall diameter, the TRS+ Cassette uses a smaller, nine-tooth cog to provide a six-percent taller gear, and on the other side, the cassette accepts a 44-tooth cog, which results in a 9.5-percent lower gear. TRS+ cassettes mount to SRAM XD drivers, but unlike SRAM's one-piece cassette design, the TRS+ is a two-piece unit, so you can replace the large group of three aluminum cogs or the smaller group of eight steel cogs separately as they wear. e*thirteen offers its TRS+ cassette in 9 x 44 eleven-speed or 9 x 42 ten-speed options. Both will shift with SRAM or Shimano components although they require SRAM XD drivers. The TRS+ broad-range cassette achieved our nomination because it broadens the gearing spread of an 11-speed one-by drivetrain to that of a comparable two-by system, it offers long-term serviceability, and it is cross-compatible with existing derailleurs and XD drivers. Weight: 320g 11spd, 300g 10spd. MSRP: $309 11spd, $279 10spd (USD).
Eurobike 2015
A threaded nut holds the one-piece cassette half to an XD driver.

Eurobike 2015
The smaller steel cog body twists and locks into three one-piece aluminum cassette cogs.






Magura Vyron eLECT Seatpost

Wireless dropper post

When Magura decided to enter the dropper seat post arena, they made the decision to forego hydraulic lines and cable housings and operate the post using the well proven wireless remote control system that the German parts maker had been employing on its suspension products. The Vyron eLECT post has a 150-millimeter-stroke and uses air-sprung, hydraulically controlled internals - no surprises there - but sealed electronic valves replace the pistons or mechanical levers used to actuate other droppers. While the most obvious benefits are the lack of cables and hoses (and the need to route them through the frame), there are other factors in favor of Magura's wireless control.

You can buy it and put it on your bike - that's an easy sell. The control button can be moved anywhere on the bars. There is no need to shorten of lengthen hoses or housings per frame sizes. Dealers and customers don't have to adjust, bleed or service an external system, and OEM assemblers can install a Vyron eLect post as fast as a standard seat post on the production line. And, as long as the seat tubes match, Vyron owners can move their posts easily from bike to bike. Magura states that the battery allows 400 cycles, and it locks in the last position it was set to when the battery loses power. The post charges in three hours from a USB cable, which is respectably fast. Magura gets the nomination for its Vyron eLECT dropper post for employing electronics to make life simpler for both riders and mechanics. System weight: 595g. Sizes: 30.9mm, 31.6mm. MSRP: $450 USD.
Magura Vyron eLECT dropper seatpost 2015

Magura Vyron eLECT wireless electronic seat post
Hidden behind a silicone cap are the USB port and on/off switch.
Magura Vyron eLECT wireless electronic seat post
The first-gen Vyron remote is not much to look at, but functional.



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165 Comments
  • 170 5
 Hurry up everybody its time to bitch about something.
  • 22 1
 Did that, didn't go down so well... Book
  • 68 4
 i don't like your post.
  • 27 3
 I hate snow
  • 24 3
 Snow? I wipe my ass with snow
  • 71 5
 Nominating a dropper that no one has ever rode.
  • 3 15
flag theedon FL (Jan 4, 2016 at 12:36) (Below Threshold)
 With my yellow snow
  • 4 10
flag jmartinbiking FL (Jan 4, 2016 at 12:59) (Below Threshold)
 how can you get pissed ABOUT chainless bikes best invention ever
  • 15 1
 i don't like eggplant
  • 32 0
 thank god boost hubs didn't get nominated
  • 14 0
 You called me, here I am. I complain about everything electric on a mountainbike, except for maybe lights.
  • 14 1
 Seriously. F*ck eggplant
  • 17 2
 WHAT'S WRONG WITH EGGPLANT???
  • 5 1
 Everything
  • 5 2
 How can you hate eggplant? It's like hating purgatory, it's not good, it's not bad, it's just there.
  • 15 0
 I bet when you get to purgatory they serve nothing but eggplant
  • 1 0
 Electric......Ah this one looks a bit full. I'll wait for the next post, review or nominations and bitch then if it's ok
  • 3 0
 How about, hardly anyone is using any of these things yet so how can we say one of them is innovation of the year?
  • 1 0
 I hope they comes with different size of USB ports.
  • 2 0
 Is there still time for bitching about something?
  • 4 1
 chyu - what?! USB 2.0 worked for me for 3 years and has never failed me! Now they are doing this, smaller thing so you break the pin in the small port and have to buy the new stuff. Oh, waait, and next version will have a different port so the charger you bought won't fit! Oh I love it how people wait for messianic ideas and inventions, expecting stuff to settle for everyone to live happy ever after, and then it comes, everyone's excited da-di-di-di-daaa, dust settles and we realize that we are just as stupid, it's just that the topic of discussion changed... bring back 26" and let's see how happy we are - ah, good luck devote atheists!
  • 1 0
 Waki- no 26. They will go for 28 instead.
  • 3 0
 I'd like it to update my facebook when I drop my seat. That seems like something people could raise a thumb for.
  • 109 1
 At least the cassette is not battery operated
  • 35 0
 wait for it
  • 56 0
 Although it is wireless...
  • 9 0
 Yeah but it cost just as much a dropper
  • 44 2
 When are they going to change the name from "Cassette"? so 90's... Call it DVD and name something like 'Digital Variable Drive'....
I need more eggplant....
  • 92 2
 what about the new paint scheme on the transition klunker...
  • 18 0
 People want to hate on the wider range gearing (because it makes you a weenie?), but for me I think the 9-44 cassette is awesome. I work a full time job (50+hrs/ week), and have a wife and kid. I don't get to ride as much as i'd like, so I'm not in as good of shape as i'd like to be. But at the end of an epic ride, I've saw extremely fit people fizzle out. If I can still rock 1x11 and have a wider range of gearing, sign me up.
  • 6 0
 The haters are full of it. The wider the range, the better. The only concern I have is durability. These huge cassettes are expensive and a 10t cog wears fast enough as it is. I've never ridden one, but those with experience with cogs as small as 9t say that both cog and chain wear was a major issue. Thus 11t has been the minimum for what, two decades? So i'll take the wait and see approach.
  • 2 1
 Riding on the 9-42t 10-spd e*13 cassette and loving it. The hub splits into 3 separate sections. Each section can be purchased separately and at this time are reasonably priced in that buying all 3 sections individually is not much more than buying the whole cassette. Shifts really great, but you do have to lighten the crank load dropping into the smaller gears to avoid getting a solid clunk. With a 32t chaingear I can still really fly on the straights on the 9t, but also have all the low speed grunt needed locally with a 42t.

Otherwise, I could make a smartass comment relative to worrying about wear on a steel 9t sprocket, but not caring about wear on a 44t aluminum sprocket ;-)

Two decades ago the XD hub didn't exist. Now that I own and use an XD hub, I'll never go back to the other dinosaur hub.

Leonardi also released their extended range hubs way before e*13 did, but they cost more and don't offer replaceable gear sections. So I suppose it would be more innovative ...
  • 19 2
 A lot of people will disagree with me but I think Fox's electronic valve is great. From what I've heard it rides great. Even if you hate the idea of electricity having anything to do with how your bike functions or just don't like the extra weight it's a new way to do some thing that we've already done and is an improvement. It could serve as a catalyst for other companies to step up their suspension game which is great. Hats off to you Fox.
  • 8 2
 Agreed...electronic controls are the future whether we like it or not. It's going to take time for the tech to trickle down and become affordable for the mainstream, but that's how every great leap forward works. 1x11 was over $2000 in 2013, you can now have it for $250. Dropper posts started out at $600, you can now have them as low as $100. Every great innovation that is now mainstay on the great bikes was bitched about and overpriced when it was introduced.
  • 19 16
 @TheRaven: MSRPs for XTR Di2 are 650$ rear mech, 250$ shifter, 150$ display and 150$ battery+charger - that gives over 1500$. For comparison non Di2 XTR costs respectively 170$+120$=290$. Given that 11sp XT mech+shifter costs 130$ and SLX will probably go for 100$ it means that we can expect the trickled down 11sp Di2 SLX to cost 1/3 of XTR Di2, which gives us 500$... that's A hell of a lot of magic to do for Free Market mechanics to make it "trickle down" and become affordable... Electronic gears will NEVER catch on for people who don't lash out 8k for a complete build. that's like 1% of riders out there at best - Read: electronic gears are not the future.
  • 31 3
 "______ is not the future"

- said someone about every innovation that is now commonplace on modern bikes.

I stand by my assertion, and i'll remind you in 5 years.
  • 1 2
 Waki, just because $400 mtn bikes at Sport store chains won't have it doesn't mean it's not the future. Hell, they just got full suspension bikes.
  • 12 5
 It is the future for 8k bikes, C'mon TheRaven you are an intelligent guy, please don't throw apples and oranges to the same bag. Show a single innovation that trickled down by 90%? 200$ is the top edge of an "affordable" shifter/rear mech combo, if you think that a 1500$ Will trickle down to proximity of that price then you need a wormhole to a paralell universe. Did first disc brakes cost a fortune? No! Did dropper posts drop 7-10 times in price? No! Do you see prices of legitimate carbon frames dropping? No. Electronics will always be a top end luxury in MTB, just as it is with Road hence mechanic shifting is here to stay for tens of years to come, especially because electronics don't make your bike work better by any bigger margin.
  • 4 0
 To me, the difference is that unlike electronic shifting, I would pay the freight for electronic suspension because it represents the possibility of an improvement that (even) I can appreciate. As opposed to improving shifting-I don't need that as I typically shift to the little gear at the start of the climb and to the big one when turn back down. (I live in a valley, all the rides are like that) I would also be interested in the convenience of the Magura seatpost, if real world use proves that it is more dependable than Magura brakes.
  • 4 1
 I agree @Wakidesigns, if anything the prices of things are going up not down. Back in the early 2000's top of the line dh bikes were around 3 grand, and now well you know where the prices are these days...
  • 2 0
 I would like to know if the di2 shifts 5 times better than a straight m9000 set-up. Seems like a bulls hit way to spend money.
  • 5 1
 Electronic gears are the future of biking. Look at road bikes. Couple years ago Di2 was only seen on $10k high end race bikes. I could go buy a full road build tomorrow for $3500 with Di2.
  • 5 0
 Where was @mhoshal shopping for dh bikes in the early 2000's... my rm9 was a tad more than 3 g's (7)... and I think a v10 was NEVER less than 5....
  • 1 1
 My old rmx only cost me just over three thousand with taxes back in 2005. Mind you it was a year old modal by than as I got the 2004 rmx.
  • 5 0
 @WAKIdesigns Again, 1x11 was $2000 in 2013. It's now $250. I rest my case.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns as an example of things trickling down, you know how Satnavs used to only be featured in top of the line cars? and a new one was around £500? Now they feature in plenty of cars much lower down the pecking order and a new one which is even more accurate than ever? £75. Not a 90% drop but I can't imagine it would be too long before you can get one for £50
  • 1 1
 no TheRaven: XX1 rear mech/shifter has always been 500$, the GX is not worth mentioning, do you ride Alivio? The X1 combo which is a mere attenpt at reaching SLX level is still 300$.

The Di2 battery, charger and display alone are 300$. Someone will surely make a cheaper version of all of it for under 100$. Perhaps someone can make a cheaper shifter for 50$. You are still left with the rear mech which costs over 3 times more than a standard one, so Di2 SLX rear will easily cost 200$. Adding it all you end up at MSRPs of 450$.

U-otter: car stanavs - really? What about air moisturizers or cup cake makers?
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns Nope. No. and no.

At it's launch in early 2013, XX1 was the only 1x game in town. There were no expanders, no third party N/W chainrings, and no third party direct mount cranks. You wanted 1x11, you needed the XX1 shifter, mech, cassette, chain, crank w/chainring, and BB. Since it was brand new there was no used option, there was no "hack" method. If you wanted it, you bought a new $6000+ bike with it, or you bought the groupset for just over $1900. The cassette ALONE was over $500! It wasn't until X01 was announced that the third party options hit the market and XX1 dropped to $1500.

So, again, if you wanted 1x11 in early 2013, you paid almost $2000 for it. Period. Now, you can get 1x11 via XT M8000 for as low as $250.

Five years from now, Shimano's competitors and third party companies will be offering their own electronic drivetrains, parts, and hacks. Also, Di2 will have made it's way down to SLX and maybe even Deore. That's how it works. There is no way an SLX derailleur, electronic or otherwise, will ever cost more than (the inflation adjusted equivalent of) $100. Never.

We have these exact same types of discussions EVERY time something revolutionary is announced. Seriously. I googled the XX1 launch to double check my prices and browsed through the comment sections from back then. It's hilarious.
  • 1 1
 Just tell me how will you jump the price of the eventual SLX Di2 rear mech at 150$ + battery and computer, whatever it will be called and will cost at Ali-express. You don't see standard XTR or X0, X01, XX1, rear mechs at that price point on too many bikes, you just don't. Mechanical shifting will not disappear in the same way as V-brakes, regular posts, and defo not like 26" wheels Wink . They will stay just like aluminium frames do. I mean it in the same way as I am confident that carbon is not the future for majority of bikes out there either. Cheapest carbon rims cost up to 3 times more than to high end aluminium one. Throw eventual gearbox development and we're in the sht pond of evolutionary possibilities here. I welcome electronic shifting, electronic suspension, maybe even ABS for the front wheel, bring it on. I am just not going to buy it - if someone wants to give it to me, I'll hashtag the sht out of internet - and I consider myself relatively well off financially.
  • 1 0
 No you are correct, I don't see the top level groupsets getting THAT MUCH cheaper. But I also don't see anyone buying them. I see them buying X1/GX/XT/SLX instead. This is where electronic drivetrains will make it to the masses.

And you are correct that manual drivetrains will never completely go away.
  • 1 0
 Yeah but a road frame isn't a mtn frame, mustard farmer. No way a fs mtn frame built up could ever hit the $3.5k price point with electronic drivetrain and/or suspension. Most $3k builds are Deore/X7 level. $3.5k maybe SLX/X9.
  • 2 0
 Listen monkey fighter, I never said anything about road bikes or that electronic drivetrains will ever appear on absolute base-model bikes. But definitely mid-level, $4-5k range.
  • 3 1
 AHAAA! Persuasion is a form of violence! I think just like it happened with large sprockets and N/W chainrings, some people will make cheaper versions of Di2 shifters and everything that makes the rear mech tick. This may drop the price by a fair margin. Now let's leave the peasants share and talk super bikes. I just have no clue what Magura guys were thinking with their post actuator - find a way to connect it to the Di2 front shifter maybe?... Considering all that electronic stuff coming in, Spec has probably hit the ball out of the ballpark with the SWAT box, I'd love to see more of bikes using such feature. You can simply put one bigger battery in there to power all the stuff on your bike. Everything clean looking and hidden from sight and mud.
  • 2 0
 Waki, di2 xt is at this year's sea otter. Its trickling just like an incontinent baby.
  • 1 0
 There was a carbon fiber road bike with di2 on pricepoint for under $2k several months ago. Currently the lowest priced similar one there is $2200.
  • 1 0
 Raven - agreed, we'll see it on 4-5k rigs. Waki - nice..... all 'premium' frames one day will have a battery compartment that connects to suspension, shifting, dropper.... cool but sad at the same time. Retro grouch for life!
  • 2 0
 I was really enjoying the discussion about the electronic suspension technology in the article, then realized that I had wandered very far down the Pinkbike comment corridor. A hallway with no door at the end...
  • 2 0
 You're all smoking crack if you believe that big box stores won't have cheap ass e-shifting groupsets from China on their models. Are you not aware that electronics are cheap as hell and having electronic shifting will sell more units? Currently, they are putting 1x systems together with 11-36 10sp drivetrains on the cheap shit because people who buy the low end don't know any better, but they do know 1x systems are on the higher end bikes. SRAM and Shimano will have to compete by adding it to their low end as well. If this natural evolution didn't always happen, there would be no GX 1x11 (which btw PB says feels the same as their higher end drivetrains).
  • 2 1
 Codypop, you don't get it don't you? This is no corridor, open your mind, look through it! Combat your fear and go down the hallway, come to the place where it is dead dark, until you feel the presence of the demon. He will appear if your heart is ready to challenge him. Once you do, have faith in yourself and she'll perish. Turn around and you will see that you are in fact levitatating in a sphere, in the center of it... Once you comecloser to the edgeby arguing you'll see it's walls being transparent. And there are other spheres. My panties are orange and professors cow is dead. Can you seeee? Can't you seeeeee
  • 1 1
 Yea rubberelli bring me an engineer who will make a cheap arse rear mech with a servo motor that actually works. A shifter with decent feel. Just because you can buy a cheap arse head light or carbon seatpost for 15$ on Ali-Express doesn't mean it will work the same way for derailleurs and shifter. Where are those loonies saying that carbon frames cost less to make than aluminium ones? my dad is an electrician and RC model nerd, why don't I just ask him to make me a motor controlled LSC valve for my shock...
  • 1 0
 Waki, you can find all kinds of cheap micro servo motors for extremely cheap. Who said anything about a "decent feel"? And by "actually works" do you mean it working after taking a gnarly trail and for a year or two of abuse? If so, what big box bike has a "decent feel" or can withstand an actual gnarly descent?
So, if we admit that the low end shit will have it, no matter how crappy it will be, and the high end already has it, and the mid range will get it in a couple of years, I believe that would pretty much be taking over the industry.
  • 1 1
 Ok, take that cheap servo motor and mount it to the rear derailleur. Easy peasy. Decent feel of the shifter > try alivio and XT, mechanical units - no go replicate a distinctive feel of making a shift for electronic shifter. Then come back to me. Do you at least do LEGO technic sometimes?
  • 2 0
 Waki, HE DID appear and it became apparent that the whole point of the electronica add to my bike was part of an observational experiment in conjunction with the Global War-all really a plot to catch me out on "illegal" trails, capture me and make me do deviant stuff. I'm planning on puncturing the sphere and staying off-grid as much and as long as I can.

are you sure you're not writing from a remote server and really holed up in some corner of northern California? Or an alias for Thomas Pynchon? Could be one and the same, as Gravity's Rainbow was written 'round these parts.
  • 2 1
 No I sit in Sweden, nation of arian descendants of Odin. When Viking king Björn the Silversomethingside got baptized, Gods sent these Angels. Now their race along with ancient creatures of the old age , trolls like me, are flooded by the wave of Hassasins, thrown out of their homes by greed of the people from the far land behind the big Sea. For once my friend we shall cleanse this land, make the white bears run the shore again, the elk will booo, or whatever noise he makes, and we shall bring the Valhalla to Earth. The Mushrooms of Knullaberg, given to men by Loki himself are wearing out... I am losing the fight as the vision goes away, only to get back to the grid. Let the Ancient Troll Lady "Knulla Munnen" and the Highlander "Uoscypek z nasienia" be with you, hope dies last.
  • 1 0
 We're not talking home brew here Waki. We are talking about handing a Shomano unit to an Asian supplier to make a copy of for cheap without violating patents. You really think that is impossible? Back when camera drones were $15k, you think there might have been some, like yourself, thinking a $50 model was impossible?
  • 2 1
 How many other derailleurs do you see out there aside of Shimano and Sram? I know a test rider for FSA making an electronic road group and he says they're sht. Only their brakes are worse. It may be easy to make X5 or Altus, since they are made od shtty material with shtty tolerances but I doubt you can make a worthy copy of of XX1or Dura Ace hence there are no counterfeits out there. Yes you could make a 75$ electronic rear mech, at a price of Zee or GX, but would you really ride it?
  • 1 0
 Keep in mind the electronics are the cheapest part of an electronic drivetrain. You're paying way more for the actual derailleur itself than for the buttons, switches and wireless transmitters. Those kind of components are in dollar store electronics these days. Electronics will get cheaper and cheaper and eventually be available on sub-$1000 commuters, I can pretty much guarantee it. Making and Alivio or Altus drivetrain with electronic shifting would not be difficult or expensive for Shimano.
  • 20 3
 how about giving the award to the whole bike industry for introducing boost hub spacings and plus size tyres.
  • 6 1
 Not sure if this is sarcasm or not ...
  • 8 0
 it's sarcasm, although i'm really drawn to 27.5+ for bikepacking.
  • 3 0
 Without joking,I'm wondering if plus tyres have less rolling resistance than normal tyres. I recently read an article where they tested that the wider a tyre, the less rolling restance it has. The results were that riding the 2.4" version of a tyre was faster than the 2.0" version of that same tyre; the benefit from the less rolling resistance was bigger than the negative effects of the extra weight. Since they only tested tyres that go up to 2.4"', the results of the test were that they recommend every mountainbiker to ride 2.4" wide tyres. But what about 2.8"-3" tyres? Will the rolling resistance go down even more, in the same effective way of making the bike faster in total, or has it reached "the perfect width point" and is it starting to get less effective again?

Sadly I do know the answer though: it is that we don't know the answer until anyone has done a scientific test about this. Still very interesting thing to think about...
  • 8 0
 @Mattin and @GetREkTm8, when considering rolling resistance and tire width, keep in mind that although wider tires do have less rolling resistance, that fact is only true when compared to skinnier tires at the same pressure. Tire pressure is the part of this statistic that often gets overlooked.
  • 2 0
 @GetREkTm8 : it has to do with the easier deformation of the tyre.

@mikekazimer: the test was indeed done with the same tyre pressure. But the same test also showed that less tyre pressure also results into less rolling resistance when riding off road, again because of the easier deformation of the tyres. This doesn't work on road bikes though as they ride on smooth surfaces.

Because you can ride wider tyres at lower air pressure, you can double win (both on width and pressure) on riding wider tyres. EDIT: actually triple win because you have more grip so you can go faster through corners aswell.
  • 3 0
 Here you can read the full article, really interesting IMO: www.mtbonline.co.za/downloads/Rolling_Resistance_Eng_illustrated.pdf
  • 1 0
 Rolling resistance and rotational inertia are not the same. Think downhill vs uphill ...
  • 1 0
 @TheUnknownMTBR : I know. But who said it was? Or did I miss something?
  • 1 0
 sorry, I skimmed through too fast and missed where that was also in play in the discussion - never mind -
  • 24 9
 Fox is the biggest innovation IMO. However it's not even announced as a product yet. Does that count as a 2015 innovation? Magura dropper isn't available either. Hard to be an innovation when it's not in people's hands.
  • 31 2
 Isn't that why it's innovation of the year and not product of the year?
  • 17 0
 What about the dropper stem I saw a few months back?
  • 18 8
 In my opinion, whether you think it's good or bad, the biggest innovation this year was not part of a bike. It was the online, direct sales to customers based on bike manufacturers that don't sell their in bikes in brick and mortar stores. I still believe in bike shops, am a regular customer there and visit them first, but the online sale companies have drastically changed the landscape of the bike business.
  • 4 1
 Idk about innovative since bikes weren't the first market to ever do the "direct to consumer" idea.

But I agree with you, if it's my money I want the lowest price for the best I can get. Skipping the middle man will help save you some money!
LBS for everything service related for sure tho.
  • 5 1
 lol CRC has been doing this internationally for years with their NukeProof and other in house brands.
  • 1 0
 The thing is, this has been done way before 201$. Not sure about the exact year, but I guess YT Industries has been doing this since around 2010 (they have since the beginning). Not sure about Canyon, but I think they have been doing this since their beginning aswell.
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 *2015
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 You do realize that means you'll pay as much to get your bike serviced as you do your Audi in a short while. If lbs don't sell big profit items, the margins on service will go up to pay the rent and operations. Just sayin ...support them and ride within your budget...or order your iPhone and trek off alibaba if you will....it won't make much difference in the long run...
  • 3 0
 bike shops already gouge for basic services. its disgusting. Some don't but lots take advantage of people. Competition makes them leaner, better and more competitive. Lots of people buy their phones and computers direct from apple nowadays, either that or if they are poor subsidize it (ie.pay more money through a service provider lol) You are saying apple's business model is wrong? If someone buys a phone, and a warranty issue takes place, its shipped back and fixed or replaced. This isn't a new strategy bro. Don't tell me you haven't bought shit offline. If you did before then you are just as guitly as anyone for not buying locally. kill yourself now.
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 I really don't buy shit online unless I cannot find it locally. And you sir need to grow up. You seem to be one of the self entitled shits that don't understand how economics work. Give all your money to china, see if I care, but I don't feel like it hels anyone but china. I'm sorry your Canadian bike shops rip you off....I won't be killing myself anytime soon, but you can keep killing your local economy....I'm sorry you can't just afford to buy the bike and phone you want without fucking your town in the ass...but something tells me you like it that way....
  • 3 1
 ^^^ dude you should take some advice from your user name... "Takeiteasy".
You're not gonna convince anyone to see your point of view on the comment section, and especially not coming across like that.
  • 3 0
 It's Taiwan @takeithardrideeasy. And do you buy local hand made bikes,etc. Did you make sure your car parts are locally made in the forge at the end of the street? If not, what the he'll are you on about? Where are your pots and pans from in your house? Your clothes? Your ginch is from Pakistan. So what bro
  • 11 0
 The local shops can't fix the gadgets i have now that are broke why would i want more innovations?
  • 1 1
 Sounds like you should either switch LBS, or learn the art of repairing your bike yourself (super easy nowadays with the internet and with professional how-to videos like Techy Tuesday here on Pinkbike)
  • 13 1
 TRAILFORKS!
  • 11 3
 What about CHAINLESS bikes man?
  • 9 1
 There should be a gearbox in here somewhere.
  • 7 0
 Electronic everything and 300$ aluminium cassetes.
Ain't that a bright future!
  • 3 0
 Good point about the cassette: I would much rather nominate SunRace instead for creating affordable 10sp and 11sp wide range cassettes (10-42) for only $60
  • 4 0
 Yeah, umm electronics are bad - awful, I will never use them... I am throwing away my $600 iPhone tomorrow, and junking my tablets, notebooks, and other smart phones so I can be just like all the other non-electronic users on PB.
  • 3 0
 Interesting list. 1 out of 3 not battery powered. and 1 out of 3 actually available... So that one gets my vote. User friendly cassette for the win. I do think a helmet with a removable chin bar fits here though. Tells you how the industry is doing when 2 of the 3 things chosen aren't even in production yet.
  • 6 1
 what about the new TLD camo designs? Haven't seen anything looking that good since the ellisworth dare
  • 3 0
 I think that seatpost is the first bike thing I'd be interested in elecrtifying, ideally with it defaulting to fully up when the battery gets low. So tidy, and if it conks out your ride isn't ruined.
  • 3 0
 The electronic shock seems like it has the potential to be a needless headache, in terms of both maintenance and operation. Does it really work that much better than a regular shock to offset the potential drawbacks?
  • 2 0
 That dropper at a competitive price that could be at least as dependable as current droppers is definitely a great innovation. I tip my hat to the brave souls who buy into the first gen batch. May the bike gods have mercy on your souls.
  • 3 2
 400 cycles sounds alright but I go up and down on the seat as much as I change gears. The cassette would be my choice if I didn't have access to 9 speed stuff cheap. As far as the electronic suspension goes, with it being locked out most of the time. If I wanted locked out I would ride a hard tail. I remember the specialized smart shock????
  • 4 0
 Seems a bit sad when changing the size of a cog or two is considered the height of innovation
  • 1 0
 if i were to buy a dropper i'd say i would settle on the magura. considering the amount of dropper posts i've seen purchased, serviced, and then replaced, id say you rarely get more than 3-4 years use out of them tops. even mechanical droppers like the command post fail after 3 years. so i'd be willing to take a gamble and hope that the magura holds up for that time period.
  • 6 2
 Why aren't suspension stems on here?Wink
  • 5 0
 that was last year this year we need suspension handlebars. but hey at least the p dent didnt make the list
  • 4 0
 Is there an app for those too?
  • 2 1
 One plus for Maguras' seatpost Those of us who still ride bikes with out internal routing have another option. I see many of the newer dropper posts I might like to try, do not have an external routing option.
  • 1 0
 All great choices PB! Of course don't the first two innovations cancel each other out? E shifting is suppose to allow multiple chainrings under one shifter correct, while the E13 makes 1x as wide ranged as a 2x system?
  • 3 0
 Onyx rear hubs, best upgrade of 2015... Instant engagement and they coast like a chainless bike.
  • 2 0
 Beautiful hubs. I wish they would have gotten nominated.
  • 2 0
 Haha. I was thinking the same thing. Onyx hubs are contagious. Pricey? Yes, but not out of sight, and they back it up with silence, bombproof durability, instantaneous engagement, and is not a wear item. They also have a great service model. $100 more than that cassette which is a wear item, and actually has a huge impact on the quality of the ride of your bike. First ever successful implementation of a sprag clutch in the Bike industry is a lot more innovative than a wide range cassette. And a dropper and shock that are not even available or finished with development?? Uhhhh maybe Next year??
Dropper is intriguing even if I hate the idea of the electronics. Being able to have one dropper and saddle and move it effortlessly from one bike to another would be swell. Biggest pitfall of that dropper right now is the delay in activation. If I remember correctly from the article at Interbike or when the dropper was announced, there is a 1.5 second delay between when you press the button, and when the seat can be lowered/raised. That's about 1.45 seconds too long in a lot of situations.
The shock seems like a gimmick, especially compared to a well damped shock and good suspension kinematics you can just leave alone.
  • 2 0
 Ummmmm so it's like an electronic "brain" shock. Sounds like pain in the ass. Do I even want to know how much it costs to rebuild?
  • 2 2
 "Shimano's 11-speed cassette (restricted to an 11-tooth cog) requires a pie-pan-sized 45-tooth cog to achieve a comparable range."

Shimano's drivetrain is only restricted to that by their lack of a 28t crank offering. If you pair a SRAM 28t crank with the Shimano rear end you'd be able to run a the 11-42 cassette and achieve the same ratio.

And don't give me the "I shouldn't have to cross-contaminate my group set" speech. You're the customer, do whatever makes your bike feel the best to you. My point is that it is not *required* that you run a 45 tooth cassette to achieve a usable ratio.
  • 5 0
 Can I give you the "ratio is not the same thingas range" speech?
  • 2 0
 You could, but I'd point out to you that in practical terms dropping to a 28 would more than solve the climbing problems for people that actually ride their bike, rather than crunch the "optimum gear ratio" for their imaginary ride. You would lose a bit of top end speed but there are very few people in the world who have trails that allow them to ride at speeds of greater than 30 km/h and still feel they have a need to accelerate. This difference in range affects virtually nobody, and I'd rather pay XT money for XT, and not a somewhat inferior quality product with a little more range.
  • 1 0
 Well you understood what I meant and what the author mentioned : this cassette gives more range and that's good.
"This difference in range affects virtually nobody" I may be a minority, but I need the 2x10 range. You're right though, I don't have trails where I need the big ratios, but am I the only one who pedals to the trail because I don't live close to them or because I don't want to drive? On the road I need the big ratio.
  • 1 0
 I'm one of the ones who needs the range also. I solved the issue by building more bikes Smile

That said, the range at the low end is a billion times more important than the range at the high end. The difference between the 10-42 and 11-45 cassette is so minute it's pointless to mention, and even the one tooth increase that you get with the 10-42 cassette vs the 11-42 cassette is inconsequential cause it's at the top end of the range. It's nearly impossible to justify the significant extra cost of a SRAM cassette just to get a one tooth increase in range.

That said, I'm running the 45t expander on my 29er because I need that low gear for those huge wheels, and a 28t chainring just looks ridiculous. I'm surprised they aren't made exclusively in pink, since they're so dainty. Not to mention the nightmare that is the bb30. I'm actually running the praxis conversion BB specifically to avoid that POS.
  • 2 0
 I know they wanted to include Boost but were scared off by the potential heat.
  • 19 1
 These awards are for Innovation of the Year, not 'Incremental Change That's Kinda Better In Some Ways, But Also Causes Headaches.'
  • 4 0
 Can you at least give an honorable mention to any frame company switching back to a threaded BB?
  • 2 0
 These awards are for Innovation of the Year, not 'Incremental Change That's Kinda Better In Some Ways, But Also Causes Headaches. Like the E13 cassette - it has little wider range and causes headaches with the 9t
  • 3 0
 I'm not aware of anyone having issues with the Leonardi 9t cog, and those General Lee cassettes don't offer 3 separate replaceable sections. It's an all or nothing deal.

I don't have that much time on my e*13 to offer a long range evaluation yet, but so far no problem.

So please share your direct, actual e*13 9t cog experience with us. It's a rhetorical question. You clearly have none ...
  • 3 0
 All impressive stuff, but I pray none of thay is the future!
  • 3 0
 All this stuff is good I'm gonna go buy it.
  • 2 0
 No,no and no! I understand that I am far from the target consumer, but still, there is nothing of interest here.
  • 3 1
 Vote SWAT hole Not really
  • 3 0
 ahahahahahahahah no.
  • 2 4
 The only innovation on the Magura seatpost is that they replaced a cable or a hose with a wireless signal. I don't see a value added to this product, but instead something that needs to be charged constantly to provide the same usefulness as what's already on the market. Not to say it won't lead to a good product in the future, but this sure isn't it. At least not in my opinion. The other two seem pretty rad to me though! At least on paper...
  • 1 0
 if magura can build a dropper that doesn't need to be serviced at the factory every year then im game!
  • 3 1
 Plus size, cause everyone secretly like a fat ride!
  • 2 0
 When is the cassette available?
  • 3 0
 They're available now.
  • 1 0
 Where? I'm in the middle of another build, and I just bought an xd driver. I'd love to try this cassette
  • 1 0
 If global distributors don't already have them, they should soon.
  • 1 1
 Art's is the only place I can find.... that price tho! I'll just wait for CRC to pick up that ball
  • 1 0
 Live to Play, e*thirteens Canadian distributor should have them in stock shortly also.
  • 1 0
 Been on the 9-42t 10-spd for almost a month now, bought it direct:

buy.bythehive.com/ethirteen/Cassette
  • 1 0
 [url]http://buy.bythehive.com/ethirteen/Cassette[/url]
  • 1 0
 @TheUnknownMTBR..... How is it? I'm wanna try it with an m9000 rear-d...
  • 1 0
 Too Bad RockShox has already beat Fox to the GAME. Terrible choice...OUTDATED. Did you forget about Lapierre's Ei?
  • 2 0
 What about the Specialized Twat Box. Wink
  • 1 0
 Is there going to be Trail bike / Allmountain Bike of the Year? And Downhill Bike of the Year?
  • 1 0
 Control room? Seriously? Please don't let that PC BS stick. Call it a cockpit. FFS.
  • 2 0
 What about boost 148?! And that adjustable stem?
  • 2 0
 Again, no love for Cane Creek's DBCoilCS. True innovation.
  • 12 10
 No to all of them.
  • 1 0
 Yess so many things i cant afford!
  • 2 1
 Liked the casette until i saw the price.. no thanks
  • 1 0
 Live valve will be a game changer.
  • 1 0
 These are all pretty awesome items to for nomination. How do I vote?
  • 1 1
 eThirteen.
What happened to shapeshifter?
  • 2 0
 Ok, I'll bite, what's shapeshifter?
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