Pivot's Shuttle eMTB - First Look

Aug 30, 2017 at 0:49
by Pinkbike Staff  
Pivot Shuttle 2018

Riders near Tempe, Arizona, probably have been wondering why Strava times on some of the area’s most technical trails have been falling to absurd levels over the past 12 months. Well, now the culprit has a name. Meet the Shuttle. Pivot Cycles has been developing its first eMTB in secret for well over a year, based around Fox suspension, and Shimano’s compact Steps E8000 motor and battery system. Like every Pivot, the motorized version has a stunning carbon frame, dw-Link suspension, it’s lightweight, and it’s very fast. Pivot says that the Shuttle weighs only 19.95kg (44lbs), and will be available in four sizes from XS through XL. The MSRP is €9,999 or £8,999.

The Shuttle is aptly named, because it is designed to make short work of climbs that riders on conventional mountain bikes would be forced to either push up, or access with an uplift. Their conventional all-mountain Switchblade and Firebird enduro models leave no doubt that Pivot understands how to make a mountain bike that is responsive to rider inputs on both the ups and the downs. The Shuttle’s E8000 assist motor complements those traits by instantly matching its boost output to the rider’s pedal pressure all the way up to the legal limits. Those lucky enough to have ridden the Shuttle say Shimano’s system feels less like motor assist and more like they have been imbued with cycling superpowers.


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Shuttle Details:
• 140mm dw-link™ rear suspension with Pivot’s mid-travel e-MTB specific linkage design
• Full carbon frame with molded composite motor casing and skid plate
• Pivot’s next-generation, long and low geometry
• Internal hose and cable routing, Full Di2 Integration
• Shimano Steps E8000 eMTB motor system
• Internal Battery compartment with automotive quality seal, external charging port
• 150mm travel Fox 36-29 fork
• Fox DPX 2 shock ,tuned or eMTB
• 157mm Super Boost Plus (DH) rear axle spacing
• 27.5”+ (up to 3” tires) with 29” compatibility
• Maxxis REKON 2.8” Silk Shield reinforced tires
• Sub-437mm (17.2”) chainstays
• Brakes: Shimano XTR
• eMTB-specific DT Swiss wheelset
• Complete bike weight 19.95kg, (44lbs)
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL to fit riders from 162 to 200cm (5’4” to 6’7”+)
• MSRP: €9,999 or £8,999.
• Contact: Pivot Cycles
Pivot Shuttle 2018

Pivot Shuttle 2018

Construction and Build

Pivot’s Shuttle was definitely intended to vie for best-in class honors. Beyond its elite-level price tag, its carbon frame is constructed and finished with the same attention to detail as their non-assisted models. Much toil must have gone into shrinking the profile of the chassis to suggest that the Shuttle not a motorbike – sleek enough to appear more like a purebred racing mountain bike that has become slightly chubby. The effect is convincing, assisted by Shimano’s slender, 500ah battery, tucked from sight inside a waterproof case in the down tube. The battery need not be removed (there is an external charging port), but the compartment is designed for easy switches, should long shuttle-less days or future eMTB races require a pit stop.

Pivot Shuttle 2018
Sealed battery compartment.
Pivot Shuttle 2018
Shimano Steps E8000 motor tucked inside the frame.

The motor-drive is also compact. Pivot claims that it is the smallest made, and it too is surrounded by a molded plastic guard that provides camouflage as well as bash protection. Further suggesting normalcy, is the fact that Shimano’s E8000 power pack is designed to function with conventional-diameter chainrings. The secondary benefit of that being riders can retrofit existing chain guides and also expect similar speed ranges and gear changes from the Shuttle as they do their Shimano-equipped pedal bikes.

Pivot Shuttle 2018
With a name like "Shuttle" You can bet that Pivot worked with Fox to get the DPX2 shock tuned for the beating it will be taking.

Pivot does not deviate from its proven dw-link suspension configuration, so all the bits. like full-compliment sealed bearings, a top-tube mounted, linkage-driven shock and low-stand-over clearance, are a given. The rear axle spacing has been widened to 157mm (the present DH standard) and features Pivot’s “Super Boost Plus” rear hub with widened spoke-flange spacing that should make for a stiffer and stronger wheel. Stronger wheels are an improvement that should be welcomed by any rider who plans to repeatedly thrash a 45lb bike. With all that extra strength, we question why Pivot arrived on only 140mm of rear wheel travel for the Shuttle? The 170mm Firebird aptly demonstrates that a big travel bike can climb efficiently. Why hobble its motorized brother on the downs?

The answer: Pivot’s Press release puts it like this:

bigquotesThe Pivot Shuttle combines every renowned feature of Pivot Cycles design and engineering with the most advanced eMTB system available, to produce an entirely new approach to trail riding.

Pivot Shuttle 2018
Fox suspension all around. Pivot teamed up with Maxxis to develop "Silk Shield," a lighter-weight ultra-protective layer that retains the livelier feel of a trail tire.

Components

Pivot flies in the face of eMTB makers who are already scaling down their component spec to pad their budgets for more expensive electronics, with builds that would be enviable on the start line of World Cups. Let’s start with electronic Shimano Di2 XTR shifting, XTR trail brakes, Custom DT Swiss Super Boost Plus wheels with alloy EB 1550 rims. Add 2.8” Maxxis Rekon tires with Silk Shield anti-rip reinforced casings (reportedly, co developed with Pivot) and a Kashima-coated Fox 36 fork and DPX2 shock. It’s a pro-level parts pick on an eMTB that is conspicuously not targeted at new converts to mountain bike riding – and its MSRP virtually assures it.

Pivot Shuttle 2018
The down tube battery compartment has a window for the display.

Pivot Shuttle 2018
Downhill-width rear axle spacing with 57mm Super Boost Plus hubs.
Pivot Shuttle 2018
Dw-Link suspension and plenty of room for Plus sized rubber.

Pivot Shuttle 2018
Pivot is launching the flagship Shuttle with Shmano Di2 XTR electronic shifting.

Pivot Shuttle 2018



Interview: Chris Cocalis talks eMTB

As the most recent US bike maker to enter the eMTB marketplace Pivot's Shimano E8000-powered Shuttle represents at least what one brand believes to be a vision of where the emerging sport is headed. We caught up with Pivot founder and designer Chris Cocalis to get the back-story on their first eMTB.

What was your motivation to enter into the e-bike market?


Actually, it was the push from customers in Europe and other global markets. We have an office in
Visiting and shooting with Chris Cocalis at Pivot HQ to talk over the development of the Super Boost Plus axle spacing for PB.
Germany and Pivot has been experiencing really good growth in Europe overall. About three years ago we started receiving inquires about an E-mountain bike from Pivot. In Germany in particular, what started as a simple request turned into a “must have.” Depending on who’s statistics you are looking at, it is estimated that for bikes over €4000, eMTB’s now make up over 50% of mountain bike sales in Germany. Even if it is only 30%, it’s still an incredibly large and important part of the market. It reached a level where dealers were telling us they were not interested unless there was an e-bike on the way. That was the motivation for initially looking at it. Beyond that, we always love a new challenge and working to be the best in any category we enter.

When did Pivot begin developing the Shuttle?


We started looking at it seriously 2 years ago and began working on potential designs and researching where things were headed.

With its internal mounting, the chassis is dedicated to the E8000 motor. Did you test alternative motors before choosing Shimano?


We tested bikes with other motors and actually, had a couple designs that would have potentially used systems from the other key players. I have ridden enough of the different brands to know the strong points and shortcomings of each motor design. The challenge is that any bike we develop needs to perform at the level that we and our customers expect from any Pivot mountain bike. It cannot just be “good for an ebike.” Much of this means that the motor system needs to fall into the parameters that we need to make a killer mountain bike and not compromising the design in order to simply add a pedal assist motor. We also don’t want to have a sub-par pedal assist system on an incredible mountain bike. They all need to work together perfectly and we needed to deliver a balanced and dialed product. Some of the designs we considered may have allowed us to achieve that in different ways, but the Shimano system really allowed us to bring the entire package together.

So what are the advantages of Shimano's motor?


With the Shimano E8000 system, we were able to achieve our goals. The motor assist unit is compact and allowed us to place the lower pivots (dw-link) where they needed to go to optimize the suspension kinematics. The system also enabled us to shorten the chainstays considerably from where other e-bikes are in the market. This is an area where most eMTB’s suffer, as super long chainstays can make it much more difficult to get the front end up and over things. It was an important design goal to make sure the Shuttle had that same nimbble feel as other bikes in our line like the Firebird and Switchblade.

We did have some challenges with the battery design, as Shimano’s external battery is quite large and basically built to be exposed and take a hit from any side. Their internal battery has the same capacity and power, but is 25% smaller. However, that battery is designed to be a side-loading design, with a locking mechanism built into the front of the battery case. Neither one of these solutions was optimal for what we wanted to achieve in terms of integration and light weight. However, we were able to come up with a simple replacement for the front of the battery casing that allowed us to integrate that design into the frame. This solution also opened up space for the shock reservoir so the bike can run higher end suspension (Float DPX2) and enabled us to reduce weight. The overall bike came in at 19.95kg (44lbs), which is at the cutting edge of this category.
Pivot Shuttle 2018
The E8000 motor drives a conventional crankset, which gives customers a variety of gearing and chain guide options.

There is a big difference when riding a the Shuttle at 19.95kg (44lbs) versus the typical 23kg (51lb) eMTB. On the assist side of things, the Shimano system was developed for mountain bikers by mountain bikers. There are other good systems in the market, but we feel that the E8000 system allows the rider to ride exactly like they would normally ride a mountain bike. There is no need to pedal a certain cadence or have to anticipate for the power to come on in a certain way. You just ride it as you would your normal bike, with the major difference being that you feel like you are having your best day on the bike.

Pivot has been a close partner with Shimano, and it's no secret that the release of their E8000 motor was delayed a number of times. Was that a factor in the timing of the Shuttle's debut?


With our timeline, It takes time to test and do things correctly and we would rather wait until we have it dialed, then rush a system to market - so any delays that Shimano had has not really affected our project.

Do you perceive the eMTB primarily as a new market growing from the sport mountain biking, or will Pivot be designing eMTBs as an integral and logical extension of the mountain bike?


That is a bit of a loaded gun. The perception is not really so much up to me. However, we are not out to add a new market beyond the sport of mountain biking. We (Pivot) are a technology, engineering and innovation driven BIKE company. We love challenges and we love making cool bikes. We wouldn’t do this project if we didn’t have interest and a strong passion for it. It’s not going to replace my non-pedal assist bikes but depending on the rider, it may. That’s up to the individual rider to decide what they are looking for in a mountain bike. Not everyone wants a fully rigid carbon fiber single speed hardtail, nor does every rider want a full blown Phoenix DH World Cup downhill bike. There’s a huge spectrum of riders, terrain, trails, etc. EMTB’s are different, but they are still very much mountain bikes. This just adds another way to have fun on a bike.

Geographically, how will Pivot's eMTBs be marketed?


Currently, the new Shuttle is for the European market only. We are assembling the bike in Germany for sales within the EU using the EU specifications. That said, we will look at the customer demand for other potential markets in the future. If you see a Shuttle in your future, let us know and we will see what we can do to make that happen. We are taking a bit of a wait and see approach to other markets.

Some say it is inevitable that eMTBs will evolve into restricted-power legal models and more powerful, closed-course racing models. Where do you see Pivot's place in the future of eMTB development?


There are companies that seem to have already entered into a bit of a horsepower race and there are companies working hard on e-motocross bikes. Fortunately, the e-bike market does have some guidelines set. A class 1 e-bike has a maximum assist speed of 25 kph (20mph in the US), has to be pedal assist (cannot have a throttle) and then it is classified as a regular bicycle. This is a constant source of debate in the US, but in a growing number of places, it is becoming the regulation. I think that this sets a nice set of parameters to work within.

We have already seen some industry leading bike brands diluting their mountain bike development programs as they focus upon ramping up for the burgeoning eMTB market. How can a small, prestigious bike maker like Pivot play both fields without falling into that trap?


I think this has a lot to do with what a company’s vision is. We are ramping up and adding to our engineering and design team so that we can do more across the board. I do know of other fairly large bike companies that have diverted resources and basically look like they’ve become an e-bike company. For Pivot, every project we do supports the others. We build on our R&D to make each bike better then the last. I think that everyone will see in the near future that the Shuttle project has in no way diluted our mountain bike development or changed our focus.

Insiders claim that eMTB sales will capture over 75% of the mountain bike market (at least in Europe).If that proves true, can you envision a time when Pivot transitions exclusively into an eMTB brand?


I think 75% is a bit of a stretch, but the numbers are still significant. Still, there is no specific category that has absolutely dominated mountain biking in this way. Some say that cycling is a sport of suffering. A lot of the draw to competitive and recreational cycling is to push yourself both in fitness and technical abilities. It’s part of the satisfaction of cycling and why certain riders are so against e-bikes. For that reason, I don’t think that 75% is a realistic number. However, for those that haven’t ridden a good eMTB: you can suffer [on an eMTB] as much as you wish. In fact, it kind of begs you to punish yourself. Suffering is a lot easier to deal with when you are having too much fun to stop.

Pivot Shuttle 2018
Pivot's message is clear: "The Shuttle will make you climb like a hero."

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139 Comments

  • + 62
 Strava in first sentence of ebike review. Getting my popcorn ready.
  • + 29
 If there's a worst way to promote e-bikes,it's still to be discovered.
  • + 9
 serious question: is there any possible way to ban ebike usage in strava?
  • + 15
 There are dedicated category in strava for Ebikes.
So ebikes do not appear on regular mountain bikes boards, and i don't really understand these first sentence.

May be the tester isn't aware of the specific category, and stole some KOM ?
It's like guys registering as gals, it should be signaled.
  • + 10
 @GrandesRoues: Yeah but some people cheat just to get another KOM because without their KOMs they would have a fragile and meaningless life. Its the Ultimate Stavahole.
  • - 4
flag duilio73 (Aug 30, 2017 at 7:01) (Below Threshold)
 @colincolin: I make it even serious: is there a possible way to limit (I'd prefear prohibit, but sounds bad ) the use of that kind of enduro E-bike on trails where the downhill slope % is over a certain level?
I have nothing against e-bike if used in an intelligent and ethic way. But I am afraid this super performing machine is really the worst category we can make of such a E-Moped. (let start to call it with its correct name)
The very most users own the very lowest skill and fisical fit.
The most I asked admit they choose this light e-motorbike just to be able to make two times more dh.
I live where there are no lift, and every single trails is from quite to very steep and hardly maintained by hand, In the specific I know ONE only builder that uses ebike, while all ebikers are not trailbuider at all.
A fat 2.8/3" tire with powerfull brakes under unskilled rider that hit same few trails double the times that his fit conditions never could allow, means a MASSIVE and excessive trail consumption in no way repaired..
End of the trails, end of Mtbiking.
I rest on my case


that said I have in my garage a new full from e-Cube, nice trail bike with fox suspension , well, my father that is 73 years owns it for his fit
God, please kill me if I will use it on our enduro trails instead of a normal bike,

An intelligent way to use these e-machine would be to place a Mule trailer behind (produced by Tout Terrain or similar )

and load it with Trailbuilding tools and chainsaw, for reaching the area of intervention more easily and quickly
  • + 5
 10'000 Eur. Another popcorn point. Remember to floss once a day!
  • + 8
 @colincolin: how about they just ban Strava. And it'll stop all the dick wagging. That app is absurd in the type of people it has crwated. Almost all of which ebike haters.
  • + 10
 @duilio73: I don't think you understand how ebikes work.
The motor is inactive unless you pedal and doesn't run above 15mph
So riding downhill is one of the few places where the motor provides absolutely no benifit.
Also this continual assumption that only fat, lazy or disabled people are going to be riding is beginning to get ridiculous.
If you don't like ebikes that's fine but at least try to make a constructive well research point rather than dragging out the same tired cliche complaints we see in every single ebike post.
  • + 3
 The bike is as sexy as the video Smile
  • + 0
 Strava times are really the only reason everyone is getting bent out of shape on ebikes.
  • + 2
 @randybadger: They have a motor. Mountain bike trails in many parts of the world are NON-motorized for various good reasons. Use of these threatens access to trails.

End of story.
  • + 2
 @gramboh: your legs are also a motor, the truck you ride to the bike park has a motor, the ski lift you use to get to the top has a motor.
Life isn't black and white. There are many good reasons for many things but without constantly assessing our rules beliefs and perceptions we never evolve.
There is no "end of story" just constant change.
  • + 1
 @Thustlewhumber: You don't need an ebike to cheat on Strava times you just need to record your ride with a different app and "speed it up" before uploading it to Strava. Other than that there is an "Ebike ride" category in Strava and it won't use the results in the segments so it's really not a reason for the drama.
  • + 3
 @Thustlewhumber: Nope. It's the risk to trail access as motorized vehicles - like this - are banned in many riding areas that we're toiled to get rights to. I don't give a rip about Strava times.
  • + 0
 @sngltrkmnd: Yup, in North America, its all about trail access.

All the Strava concerns and holier-than-thou "earn your turns" arguments are irrelevant.

Sure, live and let live, enjoy the outdoors however you like, but remember that motorized vehicles of any kind are not welcome on trails restricted to non-motorized use only (ie. almost all MTB trail networks in the northwest).

For the sake of protecting trail access (and for that reason only), I will fight to keep the distinction clear between motorized and non-motorized bikes, and I will diligently report any banned use of restricted trails.

It is a matter of life or death for our trails, not just an opinion (at least in Canada and the US).
  • + 6
 @landonbailey: I understand you reasoning. In Europe it's different and the 25kph/250W pedelec bikes are considered as bicycles hence the manufacturers' push on the EU market. While regular bike sales are stagnating or declining ebike sales are growing and in capitalism the growth is essential. It seems in the US it's easier to have an assault rifle than ride a bike in the mountains...
  • + 5
 @bosnianrider: "it seems in the US it's easier to have an assault rifle than ride a (e)bike in the mountains..."

Quote of the year right there! America is so messed up it's unreal. And their last century attitude is ruining it for everyone not in that messed up country...
  • + 3
 @bosnianrider:
That quote about the rifle may have summarised more eloquently the differences in mindset we have than any other I've heard in the entire ebike (or not) debate
  • + 1
 @randybadger: Spot on mate... It's the same type of fools that said snowboarding is stupid on the ski slopes... Look at it now... X Games/Olympics/Professionals... Chris said it very clearly "Pivot is technology, engineering and innovation driven BIKE company." WHY BE IN BUSINESS TO FAIL?

That's why the direct to consumer model is so effective yet killing the bike shops. The model was created primarily because bikes shops in general was failing to adapt to the needs of their customers/consumers. Hence, a huge slump in the industry for many years with many companies closing doors because of their inability to adapt. Good on ya Chris and the whole Pivot Cycles Team.
  • + 0
 @randybadger: Second that...
  • + 5
 @Thustlewhumber: Yes, and Strava in and of itself is pretty lame. If you want to crush it against other people then show up at a race and do so. First of all, strava isn't very accurate and it's not under the same conditions as a competitive race. Yet, Stava people have the nerve to criticize other technologies. Put your phone away and be a true rider, one with nature. In fact, don't even drive to your next ride, go straight from your house and be the hardcore rider you speak of...
  • + 1
 @bosnianrider: "It seems in the US it's easier to have an assault rifle than ride a bike in the mountains..."

That right there is sooooo perfect. F**k I'm glad I don't live down there. Litigious to a fault.

This trail access hate on e-bikes is laughable. I was riding way back when regular MTB guys were ripping on hikers for not letting us on "their" trails. Now that we as riders have access to trails that were once "hikers" only, we forget how to share the love towards e-bikes? This "we have access to the trails now so no new niche of the sport is allowed in" is the exact reason why cycling as a whole has turned into an elitist shit show.

Ride what you like and move along.....
  • + 1
 I like All bikes in which I can exercise road , xc , enduro, dh , and eMtb There is a time and a location for esch one of them. Emtb is awsome pedaling to the top and doing more decents, with out the need of a shuttle.
  • + 1
 I can’t wait to ride on an E bike , design bike park, with steeper tecnical climbs
  • + 30
 Aug 22, 2017
by Paul Aston:
Pinkbike is running a week-long focus on eMTBs. We’ll be sharing reviews, news, and opinion pieces all week in addition to our regular coverage.

That week is already over guys, isn't it?
  • - 1
 True, true. Wake up PB. Each of this article looks like a re-post to me. Same motorbike - different labels. Fed up.
  • + 1
 @kovaldesign: Sounds like this category of mountain bikes isn't for you, but luckily there's an easy solution- don't open the article.
  • + 2
 @ka-brap: Thanks for the tip Wink
  • + 2
 @Bersekr It didn't say they'd stop after the week. They just wouldn't focus on it anymore. There really are some models I'd really love to see tested. First of all that Rocky Mountain bike. If they can pull it off to have their own motor and everythiing against giants like Yamaha, Bosch and Shimano, that's pretty impressive. The other one would be Olsen. Never heard of them before the article in the latest Cranked (paper magazine). As has been commented before, if it is so easy to pop out e-bikes, why are gearbox bikes still a niche. Now of course Olsen is probably still a niche brand but the modular concept is nice. Get a conventional (derailleur) drivetrain underneath if you really want the most efficiency (or if you can't afford the alternatives yet), get the Pinion underneath if you can and get the Shimano Steps under if you're on a trip in the big hills where you don't see yourself ride up high mountains unassisted for several days in a row without time to recover. I really like that concept. The only thing that puts me off is that it's made out of carbon, would feel like I'm putting my money in the wrong place. But I like the concept and am curious what PB reviewers think.
  • + 29
 Donald Trump became President.
Isnt that ENOUGH,GOD!?!!
  • + 23
 Look on the riders face in the 2nd picture says it all: "I'm doing a whip which should be fun, but this bike is as heavy as a tank & I sold my soul to ride it... So this whip feel hollow".
  • + 1
 he was actually doing a table... but yea they are heavy asf
  • + 0
 The bikes aren't that heavy,weight is not an issue with ebikes as the assist cancels it out, the grip is awesome, they corner better than a regular trail bike, and you can climb up much steeper slopes than you can on a regular trail bike. This opens up the amount of riding you can do, you can cover much more ground, and you can do 3 times the amount of riding. Just think about it...sessioning your favourite steep trails over and over cos' you don't have to push up the steepest sections. Ok if you hate ebikes ok, but i'd say go try one first. You'll be surprised,, they're here to stay.
  • + 3
 ...well, still lighter than most DH-bikes were about 10 years ago...
  • + 1
 @fourcross: True mate, and as for the 'cheating' excuse people are coming up with. Surely putting a Trail or Enduro bike on an uplift is cheating?
  • + 1
 @b4uwereborn: to me it seems like some bikers become the new hikers ???? and remember to good when taking a chairlift with my DH-bike was not called biking at all. And no, I am not thinking about getting an ebike in the near future, but still think that the whole industry has a new field to play with and that all other bike related fields will profit in some way as well.
  • + 13
 anyone who uses ebike to compete on starva is WEAK!
  • + 3
 Is an idiot.
  • + 7
 There's actually an Ebike category in Strava to compete with others Ebikes ;-)
  • + 2
 @popeur: will ruin the dh segments in that category by riding my endurobike -giggling allthe way
  • + 11
 My take away message from all these interviews is if you want to blame someone for the increase in ebikes, blame the German speaking EU countries Wink Smile
  • - 1
 Like, Germany ?
  • + 6
 And Austria and Switzerland
  • + 10
 NEIN!!!!
  • + 3
 In the French south alps, eMTB are huge too.
  • + 2
 I got a feeling that almost 75% of Riders on paved local bike paths are on Bikes like this one. Obviously the majority of All Mountain eBikes is sold to unfit People who have no clue that a Commuter will do the same and as long as they don't figure out how to bypass the 25kph speed limit a road bike is faster.

Most skilled people stay with real MTBs.
  • + 3
 It's the same in Italy......Must be all those big pointy rocky things they have....what are they called? Mountains
  • + 1
 If you want to blame anyone blame the people who ride where it's really fucking hilly.
  • + 2
 @randybadger: Nah, those people ride rigid singlespeeds...
  • + 1
 Apparently you have to "earn" your descents
  • + 0
 @randybadger: The same people who bitch about ebikes in the summer are the same people gladly taking a chairlift during the winter for skiing. They're so accustomed to using a chairlift that they've completely forgotten that skiing started out by getting to the top by your own means. You want to make the case about earning the descent? Fine, great. Now get a ski touring set up and be consistent year round.
  • + 4
 im very much an each to his own type of guy. I've never personally understood the joy of riding up a hill. It's always been a nescessary evil. Give me an uplift or an ebike all day long. I do feel they need more refinement though and perhaps better use of apps to tailor output. I like that the additional power makes bigger tyre sizes more feasible also some of the more remote rides I like to go on would be way more accessible with an ebike
  • + 1
 Which came first? The ski lift or the skis? I don't know and I really don't care because even God loves ski lifts.
  • + 11
 For 10 thousand euros I can go from Brazil to Whistler, Buy a hell of a real MTB, have the time of my life in the bike park, come back for Brazil, and have few beers.
  • + 6
 But with this bike you can have Strava glory. Priorities!
  • + 6
 Dirt jumping on an e-bike? For crying out loud, don't pretend these bikes are great at something they're just not designed for. Can Aaron Chase dirt jump an e-bike? Of course he can. Should he? Hell no - there are far better bikes for that.

Get a grip, Pivot (and the rest of the industry *cough, specialized+coastal crew*). These are made for people that are too lazy to ride uphill, not for jumping, downhilling, trials, etc...

Who will make an honest e-bike ad video? Something like "lazy fat man gets off of couch, and manages to crunch out a 30km ride because he has a motor in his bike".
  • + 2
 Yo bro Im showing the capabilities of this bike, its amazingly agile/ nimble. This bike is not for the lazy biker its for the bikers that need or like the boost behind them on a bike. I rode for a week straight on the Shuttle and it changes the trail and how you attack it. The power is easy to control and gives you a new breezy speed on the trail. Fun Fun stuff
  • - 1
 @BangBangTheMovie: I imagine it does give you new breezy speed on the trail. I'm just not convinced that's necessary for dirt jumping (or offsets the 15lb increase in weight when doing so...), or isn't just a way of making mountain biking uphill easier for those that desire it (out of laziness, necessity, or whatever). Everyone understands that you are sponsored, and more than likely get compensated for pushing this, but it fosters bitterness when those that ride and create these e-bikes pretend that they're as good as other purpose built bikes (dirt jumpers, dh bikes, etc...) and are "ever-so-capable". I assume it's so capable that you've sold your AM, DJ, and DH bikes then? I also can't imagine that sponsored athletes are blind to the disdain for e-bikes from much of the community. So be it, though: it's your risk.
  • + 2
 I think Aaron would take a shopping cart through a set and still make it look good. I don't think they're trying to do anything besides show the various capabilities. I'm no E-bike fanboy but it sure looks fun and capable.
  • + 5
 how you gonna pump the tires on that bike in the first picture? Is this a special rim-tire combo ????

and on the other hand I really think this looks quite okay for an eMTB. Still won't buy one in the near future, having way too much fun on the up- and downwhills with my "real" bike.
  • + 8
 It looks like it's pregnant.
  • + 2
 Ok, Switchblade, no more cookies and coke, you got fat...that's what I thought ????
  • + 4
 So we all were saying that we don't need new super boost hub standards, 29ers etc... and meanwhile bike conmpanies took us from behind and served us electric bikes.... no ones give a f what is better .... more sold bikes is better ...
  • + 5
 Nice looking project. Can't say I'm interested much in it, but I'll at least compliment the execution here.

Inb4 all the "Europe allows ebikes on trails/bike+motor=motorbike" sh*tshow.
  • + 6
 Just stop.. please.. or at least stop half-arsing it and take the crank off.
  • + 1
 Exactly, why bother? Here's the future of the industry:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=TaACz9ImZBM
  • + 3
 I've just learnt one thing here : the "Super Boost Plus rear axle spacing".
Next, the ultra mega supra giga rear axle, 1200 mm, integrated with nano electric engine.
Seriously, at what point has the mtb gone wrong ?
  • + 2
 I only think 140mm travel is not the best choice for this kind of bike but 180mm,for many reasons .Aditional weight of the bike,purpose as the own title sugest"Shuttle bike"
140mm is for trail rides not shutle wich is going up fast and going down long
PB change the title for Pivot's Trail/AM eMTB - First Look
  • + 0
 Depends on Kinematics I ride faster in descents with my 150 mms E Lapierre than my 160 mms Reign. Mainly because my Ebike is a lot more stable
  • + 1
 Can't agree more! For me it does not make any sense to have a 140 mm ebike. It should be at least 160, if not 180...
  • + 2
 Why are so many brands trying to copy the standard geometry for their eMTBs? Uphill performance is one of the main fun factors on the eMTB. Maybe you need longer chainstays for that. And maybe you do need shorter main frames. Think about it.
  • + 1
 Another usless 140mm trail E-bike. If I'm trail riding somewhere where I only need 140mm of travel I'll just pedal up and around. Show me a 180-200mm front and back Freeride/DH E-bike I can use as a replacement for the shuttle truck. One I can use to shuttle 12km of boring fire road 5-6 times in a day. It will need a SMALLER removable battery which can be swapped out when I kill the first one shuttlin'. Also the total bike weight must be under 35 pounds.
Get these old school brick style phone/battery sizes and weights down to the battery size and weight of a smart phone. Then you may have my attention. Until then, back to the drawing board.
  • + 1
 Ebikes suck for mtb but not because they're electric...they're so fricken heavy they feel horrible to ride compared to non electric. They're great fun to ride on a road but don't waste your money on one for real mountain biking now, wait until the weight drops - I own one btw
  • + 1
 Heavy? A couple years ago I had a Transition Dirt Bag that weighted some 23 kg... It was never a problem!
  • + 2
 @Caiokv: I'm sure you had fun on it, but it's hard to deny that bikes nowadays are just waaaaaay better than that 23kg transition dirt bag. @onemorelap is just saying that ebikes pale in comparison to current real bikes.

Or if you feel otherwise, have fun riding a 50lb 2007 flatline or something...
  • + 0
 This bike weights in the low 40lbs, its actually a nice weight for a bike with power. My shoulders did get a little more of a workout but I could still rip the trails, jumps or even 180 on flat ground.
  • + 1
 That's a very nice bike.
As always with Pivot, we can see it used a lot of thinking.
But a think they missed a crucial point. The battery range !

I live in the Alps, and as a tall guy i've not a climber physique. So i'm interested in eBikes to be able to tacke this fuc***g steep climbs even if i'm not in a good day, or don't have too much time after work.
But then width a 500 W/h battery, i can only climb 1000m and get one descent ! So it's like 1h to 1h15 or riding !!!

So you have to pack a second battery in the backpack to be able to reach high altitude trails and do long rides. This kills the fun with the weight of the second battery being at the worst place it can be ! It is also pretty dangerous when you fall on your back.

M/ Cocalis, please design your frame so that it can store a second battery (if we want to go for a long ride). You can put it on top of the motor, a la lapierre overvolt, and keep the first one on the downtube to look cleaner for short rides.
  • + 3
 buy a motorbike...
  • + 11
 being tall is not an excuse for being bad at climbing unless you are wider than you are tall.
  • - 1
 @hobbnobs: just like mountain bikes, humans are all built different...we ain't all built to climb quick
  • + 5
 10k€? Cough... cough...
  • + 1
 Well, this bike has at least some motor, batteries, copper wires and electronics to show for that money. Probably still not worth it though, but a good justification for a well-of European senior citizen looking for some fun at a moderate level physical activity.
  • + 2
 @jollyXroger: its so easy to have good sense but for someone (a lot )its unattainable.
We have to have all our capacites at full charge to be a purist and want to achieve K2 with only lungs.
If not maybe a O2 bottle help or a motor between your cranks
With an ebike we stil pedal and can choose the assist level without burst an artery
  • + 0
 Ah yes. The mtb vs emtb controversy is turning into the same controversy that the sex toy industry has been debating for the last 40ish years; dildo vs vibrator. You might hate vibrators. That's completely fine. You can suction cup that greased up dildo to any doorway and ride it all night into early morning orgasms. To the vibrator fan boys, that sounds like a lot of work and they can their's a lot faster with some battery-power. Does this mean that the sex toy companies should stop making either toys? Don't like vibrators, don't buy them, but let other people have their fun. Oh and certainly, don't blame the company trying to make the best sex toys in the world, both standard-issued and battery-assist, because at the end of the day the company's sole purpose is to put smiles on their customer's faces.
  • + 2
 I am getting a good chuckle over the author credit on this piece: "Pinkbike Staff". Funny that no one wants to stick their neck out for writing this.
  • + 4
 i hate uphill segments on strava anyways
  • + 1
 what the hell!!! why mountain bike companies are trying to be motorcycles companies???????? One of the best feelings is suffer uphill and then forget the suffer going fast downhill!!!!
  • + 2
 Why doesn't these articles show up on the feed? You mentioned you were doing a week long coverage and I was particularly interested in seeing your take and angle.
  • + 3
 The "week of eMTB coverage" appears to be suffering from budget creep.
  • + 3
 Damn that looks beefy Eek
  • + 2
 That's how you showcase an E-mtb, you put Aaron Chase on it! First good looking E-mtb I've seen!
  • + 3
 Shut up and take my "meh."
  • + 1
 Does the ebike content show up on Pinkbike in the USA? I found the link to this article via google.

How can I find the rest of the ebike content from the week of coverage?
  • + 2
 No shit they're developing it in secret. I would have revealed it and sold it in secret too. Way to be lame Pivot.
  • + 2
 So Pivot provide their own advertisement , as a PB staff article, how about fuck off ! Fuck off and FUCK OFF!
  • + 1
 Looks heavy as fck . Non sense. He could have done the same things he did in the vid with his normal bike ....
  • + 0
 Having test rode an ebike. I can only imagine what sheer torture it would be to have it shit the bed in the middle of a ride. It's not a 20+pd bike.
  • + 6
 Do people think this way with other motorized vehicles/products? If a MX or snow mobile etc. shit the bed in the field, it would surely suck but how often do people worry about this? Isn't that why you plan ahead and make sure you have enough fuel/power? Not that you're making this argument, but it seems that people love to envision scenarios that aren't likely to happen and then base their decision entirely on that unlikely possibility. Just like with Di2 batteries dying mid-ride...
  • + 1
 @ka-brap: The difference is that those vehicles are basically useless if they run out of fuel or break. We are used to a bike being easier to repair and using our own steam to get back home. Not so easy on a dead eMTB which isn't that easy to push never mind pedal with no power. But yes, forward planning should eliminate the dead battery scenario, unless things go badly south.
  • + 1
 Just been riding with a German who had a blue tooth dropper....not great when it stopped dropping on the steeps!
  • + 2
 What are these bikes, 20kg or so? My full susser is probably 16kg (Cannondale Prophet). So if I carry 3l of water instead of 2l, have 1kg of mud caked to my bike, picked 1kg of blueberries next to the trail for tomorrows breakfast and and my shoes and socks are soaked from crossing creeks, does that mean I won't be able to make it back home anymore? Don't be silly! You may need to shift to a lighter gear but it is not going to stop you riding home.
  • + 1
 @vinay: so let me get this right: 34 pd ish bike plus 2.2 pounds of mud, 4 pounds of mud, 2.2 pounds of blueberries. Sounds excessive in riding. I personally don't enjoy when I am in my hometown of Durango, climbing up my high elevation climbs in what would roughly be a 40+ bike should the internals shit the bed. I prefer low tech when it comes to bikes in the backcountry.
  • + 2
 Slowly the e's are looking better
  • + 1
 Horses for courses and each to their own but that thing looks like a fluorescent Dustbuster.
  • + 1
 So if Shimano are making ebike motors, does this now complete the e-bike circle?!
  • + 1
 Sweet video, but it could've been better with the trails available in Flagstaff
  • + 2
 That bike looks great :ducks:
  • - 1
 When they bring one out in 160-180mm and drop another 3 or 4kgs off I will be ready to hand over my cash. For those that like climbing your normal bikes, all power to you.....
  • - 1
 Im indifferant on the subject. Ebike, fat bike, 29er. They are all just differant catagories if mtb. I keep seeing these stats though about sales yet I never see them on the trails.
  • + 1
 This market is heavily focused on central Europe, so I guess that would make sense why you aren't seeing them in the UK. Are you also saying you don't see 29ers?
  • + 1
 This article was hidden from my browser location, but I'll come in anyway to say "boo".

BOOOOO.
  • + 1
 I'm gone say it: I want one!
  • + 1
 Be handy for injured or older riders. As always.
  • + 1
 First, at least look good.
  • + 3
 Save for colors, looks better than many other bikes in Pivot line-up.
  • + 1
 Fuck you pinkbike..... fuck you!
  • + 1
 AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRHHHHHHHHHH Please Please Please no more MOTOR bikes
  • + 1
 Is the Di2 connected to the main battery?
  • + 1
 Full Carbon Frame, 20kg... Nuff said.
  • + 0
 High end... great bike This is the right direction for ebike Ok is not cheap
  • + 1
 sub 437mm chainstays ? -so 436.999999 ?
  • + 1
 The bike looks pregnant
  • + 1
 So Nice. Love e bike.
  • + 1
 Yawn
  • + 1
 Ebikes, not even once.
  • + 0
 Santa Cruz eBike can't be far behind now....
  • + 2
 I hope not...
  • + 0
 Sigh
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