Qualifying Results - Vallnord DH World Cup 2017

Jun 30, 2017 at 3:42
by Pinkbike Staff  
Elite Men

1 // Troy Brosnan
2 // Greg Minnaar
3 // Loris Vergier


Elite Women

1 // Tracey Hannah
2 // Myriam Nicole
3 // Marine Cabirou


Junior Men

1 // Fin Illes
2 // Matt Walker
3 // Kade Edwards



Junior Women

1 // Megan James
2 // Melanie Chappaz
3 // Beatrice Migliorini





140 Comments

  • 147 0
 Would love to see Brosnan get that monkey off his back and get another win.
And how good are the Syndicate? Luca is such a slouch in 7th place.
  • 15 1
 Came to say the same thing. He's a great racer, & deserves more success than he gets. Just goes to show how competitive the sharp end of the men's field is these days.
  • 4 3
 what do you think is the "monkey on his back"? some psicological thing? i want him to win too
  • 6 0
 Go Brosnan!
  • 8 2
 @groghunter: Always a smile on his face and positive things to say about everyone. thank god he cut his hair...Wink
  • 13 0
 @Narro2: "not winning" seems to hang over people's heads... when they win it gives the mental edge. Like Danny Hart last year; once he realized he actually could win he had the momentum to keep it going. Same with Bryceland a few years ago, and Stevie Smith before that. Guys who never won suddenly dominate... everyone knows Brosnan has the talent to do that, just needs to end the dry spell.
  • 3 2
 lol. haircut brought to ya by l'oreal.
  • 12 0
 Make Pierce Brosnan proud.
  • 6 12
flag RedBurn (Jun 30, 2017 at 11:35) (Below Threshold)
 @adrock-whistler if Fabian team manager told him secret spots where he could cut the tape without beeing seen, then he could win !!!!
  • 7 0
 @chyu: He already has the correct number plate: (00)7. I assume Q set him up with a special ride too!
  • 3 0
 @mi-bike: Are you saying he may have a motor in the hub ?
  • 1 2
 did Gwinn crash?
  • 1 0
 @specializedrider219: no he got 4th in quail's. for him in andorra its a pretty good result. this track has never really been one he's known to win at... in fact he's never won it.
  • 1 0
 @ryanandrewrogers: oh i see it now. didnt see his name on the results at a first glance
  • 2 17
flag chriskneeland (Jun 30, 2017 at 15:21) (Below Threshold)
 Cheater wheels got the full Syndicate top 10. Wonder what place they'd really be in.
  • 2 1
 @groghunter: Hmmm, in racing you finish exactly where you deserve to, this isn't Rampage.
  • 2 1
 Same, Old Gwin right theyre though, don't right off Gwin though he playd the cards close with the quali's..
  • 2 0
 @Maverickdh00: I don't think you keep your cards close in qualis, specially when you're ranked 2nd. 4th is good tho. points there.
  • 3 7
flag gonecoastal (Jun 30, 2017 at 22:01) (Below Threshold)
 How much faster would Greg, Loris, Luca and Jack have been had they went 650b? Big Grin
  • 78 2
 Minnaar is on a mission this year. So steady in every run!
  • 251 1
 ...since 2001
  • 11 0
 My all time fav rider I have followed since his start. What a representative for us to the world. the cycling community. What an incredible rider,
  • 31 5
 Soooooooooo 29ers aren't dead!!!!!
  • 45 4
 I think Danny Hart nailed it when he said he hadn't spent enough time on one to feel comfortable yet. Compare this to Minnaar who has. It will be a year of indecision followed by an off season of lots of testing from all teams. 2018 should be a bit more conclusive or it will be down to what people feel comfortable on....
  • 34 3
 @fartymarty: I'm waiting for Greenland to get back on 26 so the comment party will be on fire again!!!
www.vitalmtb.com/features/Maybe-26-Aint-Dead-Is-Laurie-Greenland-Being-Serious,1853
  • 8 1
 @fartymarty: I think the same is true of the intense boys with Moir quoted as saying he spends a lot of time on his 29er trail/enduro bike.... 29ers are a different thing and take some time to adjust to
  • 2 1
 @gapos999: hard to see it, no tires he said :-p
  • 40 5
 Oh shut up about the wheels already...
  • 7 2
 It's hard to get 26" era guys on 29ers let alone some half as*ed ones. So watch out for kids that grow up riding Hightowers, wreakoning, e29 etc...
  • 2 1
 @nprace: well said
  • 4 1
 @AlexS1: Wasn't hard to my 26 era'd ass on one! Tried the 29 once and was hooked.. 26 was on pinkbike sales forum 24 hrs later.
  • 5 2
 @graeme187: it worth noting as well that jack Moir is a tall guy like Greg Minnaar - so he probably suits 29 more than the smaller guys like hart and brosnan
  • 1 1
 Is Hart on a 29er this weekend or back on 27.5? What about the Commencal boys?
  • 3 0
 @LCW1: They are all back on 27.5
  • 1 0
 @graeme187: I have been 2 1/2 years on mine and still working it out.
  • 2 1
 regardless of how comfortable Hart "feels on it" if his timing tests showed that 29ers are .5 seconds faster...why would you knowing give up 1/2 a second? Seem crazy
  • 5 2
 @ckcost:
Because riding in a test setting doesn´t equal riding under race pressure.
Downhill is at least as much a mental sport as it is physical and technological aspects combined.
If Danny feels more comfortable on the 27.5" that will inevitably lead to better results under pressure despite the fact 29" is theoreticaly faster. Those 0.5 seconds aren´t that big of a deal anyways, especially once you realize the whole field hasn´t changed at all since the arrival of 29ers. Fast guys are still fast and some young guns have upped their game. Nothing new here. That theoretical advantage seems to be just that in practice. Theoretical and not significant.
Also, there´s athletes who cannot compete without some pre run/race/fight ritual. I´d guess most of those people know well enough that there is nothing to be gained from it from a scientific standpoint, but it still gives them the mental edge. That´s kinda the reverse thing to what we have going on here, but still comparable.
  • 2 0
 @bohns1: yah because your sleazy white hoe ass is a sellout
  • 1 0
 @Loki87: I fully understand the mental aspect. However, feeling more comfortable on something that the clock tells you is slower when you are a racer is counter intuitive.

.5 seconds is a HUGE deal. In many cases it can be the difference between 2+ places.

I also would argue that the field has changed. No, they are not multiple seconds faster but they have undoubtedly made fast people faster.

Tell me about your scientific proof about nothing to be gained? Im curious...so are the syndicate and Jack Moir.
  • 1 1
 @ckcost:
I stated there is nothing to be gained from a scientific standpoint regarding any superstitions or rituals before competition...
Also, these were not my words but those of a lot of their fellow riders and even team managers and their own. Moir himself stated he´s been on the up since his injury got progressively better. For Greg there are other things that fell into place for him along with the wheelsize change, namely him getting an more fitting frame/bike and also him being a big dude, therefore again, it just suits him and once you start believing the results will follow.
You fail to see the point. Danny being faster in a non competitive setting and being faster in competition are two separate things. For an athlete to bring his A game many things need to fall into place. One of those being the mental aspect. Whether it seems counter intuitive to you really doesn´t matter at all. If you don´t feel comfortable hopping on the bike to do what you´re supposed to do as a racer, you´re not gonna do it, regardles of any scientific proof that clearly states you should theoretically be faster.
In a non competitive test setting, the guy may just be dicking around, not thinking much about his bike really and therefore ends up with faster times. Yet once raceday hits and that clock starts beeping it´s not implausible for him to be wishing for his old trusty steed.
If he feels insecure on the new bike and he gets nervous, that may very well lead to him underperforming much more than anything 29ers could ever compensate for.
That´s basically what all those guys say in the recent dirt interview. They just don´t feel it right now and need more time to build confidence and trust.

The Syndicate being successful on 29ers is also in no way an argument against this mindset. They clearly took a different mental AND developmental approach towards the whole 29er thing.
They did extensive testing which builds confidence in the riders and also all the riders seem to have approached the whole thing with an open mind. Danny however can be seen quite sceptical in a lot of interviews. That approach can totally f*ck with an athletes mind.
The same goes for almost all other teams that went for it just to not be left behind. Brendog for example. Bike was just cobbled together to keep up with others, yet the rider apparently never trusted the whole concept.

When it comes to an athletes mind, all science goes out the window sometimes, that´s just how it is.
  • 1 1
 @AlexS1: Are you drunk?
  • 1 0
 @Loki87: "If he feels insecure on the new bike and he gets nervous, that may very well lead to him underperforming much more than anything 29ers could ever compensate for."

Also, the riders who are running 27.5 are dealing with the notion that a small percentage of the field may have an advantage with the so called "cheater" 29 inch wheels. This could cause them to take greater risks and push the envelope to the max in order to compensate for potentially being at a disadvantage out of the start gate. Definitely makes for some entertaining racing.

In a recent Syndicate video I found it humorous when Loris said that his long time buddy Loic had stopped speaking to him when he began racing the 29er. Not sure if he was entirely serious but it sure made me laugh.
  • 1 0
 @harrybrottman: True regarding Moir. However, Vergier is slightly shorter than Hart and appears to be adapting well.
  • 1 0
 @deadmeat25: Err... are you hiding under my bed? How do you know?!!
  • 1 0
 @AlexS1: Jom ride kiara
  • 1 0
 @chyu: Thanks man but staggered hours nowadays...
  • 1 0
 @Theeeeo: Naaa just got rid of looking like a circus bear riding on top of a tiny wheeled bicycle! I got in where I fit in... Just keeping it real bitch!
  • 1 0
 Who knows what to think after yesterday. I am coming to the conclusion it's a personal thing. Bigger guys on bigger wheels and vice versa.
  • 16 0
 Doubted syndicate could fill up the shoes of Peaty and Rat boy but my god Shaw and Vergier has fulled it off incredible well with both results and charisma! Syndicate will be hard to beat for a long time forward!
  • 13 0
 So freaking pumped for this race. The points race is close and everyone seems to be on top of their game. Fingers crossed that everyone has similar weather conditions in their run and all make it down safe. May the best man and woman of the day win.
  • 6 0
 Yess. A true DH track.
  • 16 0
 Troy is on it right now!! Great win at Cranworx too...
  • 12 1
 I want another Wyn and Hart conversation.

"...you never."
  • 10 0
 Driving on route to vallnord to watch the final tomorrow yeeeooo.. just another 50km
  • 57 0
 don't pinkbike and drive
  • 8 1
 @SnowshoeRider4Life: ain't that the truth!
Officer I wasn't texting I was reading an article on pinkbike. I'm mean seriously how am I supposed to put this down.
  • 9 2
 Wow, those speed trap data. Clearly has nothing (at all) to do with the finishing time:

53. Fischbach, 53.795 km/hr (5)
54. Manson, 50.183 km/hr (8 )
55. Ruffin, 54.372 km/hr (1)
56. Heap, 49.673 km/hr (100)
57. Walker, 53.230 km/hr (9)
58. Mudd, 50.685 km/hr (69)

WHAT DOES IT MEAN ???
  • 9 5
 I don't get what is not clear for you? what matters is not how fast you go in one part, it's how you keep your speed in the corners and how fast you are in the parts where other riders are slow. Same with the split times, very often on the race day, the one that does the best first split is not the fastest overall. It's all about managing your energy : as f barel said : "slow is fast and fast is slow"
  • 9 0
 @zede: No worries; I got that. Just pretty amazing to see how the speed trap results vary this dramatically (5-88-1-100-9-69) for six guys with consecutive finish times.
(The "what does it mean" was just a silly reference to double rainbow guy.)
  • 2 0
 @mi-bike: ah ok , any idea where the speed trap is ? I had the feeling this track wasn't so fast as it's mostly steep and technical
  • 9 0
 Most probably those guys who are going fastest through the speed trap are over gassing the next corner
  • 3 0
 it's like saying hey bro see no brakes bruh. for 8 seconds.
  • 11 1
 Shaping up to be a gladiatorial Minnar v Gwin slugfest this year
  • 8 0
 Finn would have qualified 18th in pro men. He's going to progress quickly.
  • 7 0
 Been a fan since he won the Worlds Whip Off at 14. He carries the spirit of the Chainsaw with him Smile
  • 3 0
 Interesting to see some of the time gaps, the top 5 are some way ahead of the rest of the field - go 7 seconds behind Troy and you are lucky to break that top 10, go another 7 seconds slower and you are out of the top 30.

Just to qualify you have to be absolutely on it - How many qualify per round for men, is it 70?
  • 2 0
 Top 80 qualify + protected riders... with Mark Beaumont just missing the cut this time Frown
  • 6 0
 @antennae: They used to throw a P next to the protected riders, and a Q next to all the qualifiers. I wonder why they stopped that...
  • 15 0
 @zeerob: would you say you wished they would mind their P's and Q's?
  • 2 0
 @Klainmeister: *clap, clap, delayed clap*
  • 5 0
 I think Phil Atwill's result is impressive. Hope he cracks the top 10 on raceday.
  • 8 2
 29aintdead
  • 7 2
 Wow, syndicate nailed it ! Big Grin
  • 7 5
 It's sorting out. Big guys on big wheels for the most part. Luca being the current exception. This is tight racing and it should be awesome. I hope the weather keeps it a fair fight!
  • 3 2
 and Loris...
  • 5 0
 you mean Loris, hes 5' 9", Luca is 6 foot so not exactly short.
  • 1 0
 @maglor: Thanks. I stand (at 6'4") corrected!
  • 5 0
 Good to see blenki up there! Hope he shreds it for the finals
  • 7 2
 Are there really 100 less women racing then men? Jesus.
  • 18 1
 you're surprised? 95+% of the riders I see on the trail are men.
  • 4 2
 @Jnicholz: on DH tracks, maybe, but on "regular" trails, I see more and more women (about 1/3 of the men, I'd say).
  • 1 40
flag jclnv (Jun 30, 2017 at 8:22) (Below Threshold)
 @Jnicholz: Sexist pig.
  • 12 4
 @jclnv: douche... its called an observation from his experience... f*cking SJW's to the rescue!!!
  • 4 0
 @jclnv: You're either a complete bellend or you should've put a smiley on the end of that. i suspect bellend though.
  • 2 0
 Either Brook MacDonald had some kind of mechanical issue or he's playing the weather card for finals. All the splits were within or near top-20 and he finished 73rd. Hmmmmm...
  • 3 0
 All those Kerr guys in the Dirt junior team, are these brothers of Bernard? If so, DH racing really is a family sport in the UK Smile .
  • 2 0
 They're not related to Bernard, but they are twins!
  • 1 0
 @ktmtb: Alright, pretty cool then! So you have Carpenter (father and daughter), Seagrave, Atherton all performing at the top level of DH racing. And I wouldn't be surprised if I missed a few.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: Hannahs!
  • 1 0
 @chmurka3rg: Oh yeah for sure. I was only talking about the Brits there but of course there are more.
  • 5 0
 Loic injured and still qualifies 5th? holy mutant
  • 8 7
 Rachel Atherton 15 secondes behind the top spot. Well, I guess this is because of her injury, but that's a good news to me, to see other girls winning haha Let's go Pompooooon
  • 17 0
 Don't get too excited just yet...
  • 8 0
 She never pushes her hardest in qualifying... look at her win streak. There were multiple times when she didn't qualify first but won the race in the end. Gwin tends to do the same...
  • 2 0
 My hunch is she increases the speed come race day.
  • 2 0
 @Roadrunner13 hahahaha, you wrote poooooooon!
  • 7 3
 The goat still showing the young guns how it's done!
  • 4 2
 Five riders in the top 20 with high performance springs in their forks, stoked!
  • 3 0
 Sik Mick will be on the podium... get it man!
  • 5 3
 3 Aussies in the top 10. Guaranteed.
  • 6 5
 Syndicate this year have the strongest team and all of them ride fast with 29er...
  • 1 0
 Nice to see williamson getting near the form again. Has he had issues this year?
  • 4 3
 I'm sure rachel is doing that on purpose.. she's fuly capable on winning with on hand tied to her back..
  • 3 1
 I think Minnaar will try to retire if he wins the overall this year.
  • 3 0
 He's only 35. I think he's got at least 1 more very very competitive year left in him after this one. I think he'll run another full season if not 2. Then cherry pick for a year or so and retire like peat. 38/39. Hopefully with 25 or so wins. That'd be rad.
  • 3 0
 @flyingryan Minnaar is not Dungey.
  • 1 0
 1 // Tracey Hannah
2 // Myriam Nicole
3 // Marine Cabirou

1// Greg Minnaar
2// Aaron Gwin
3// Loci Bruini
  • 2 1
 All the big hitters up top yee harr!!
  • 2 2
 Intense and commencal made a 29er that riders like... also Nicole.. Sorry for missin Thirion.. was very fast
  • 5 1
 Commencal riders are back on 27.5 ... just saying
  • 2 1
 If I don't get a Wyntv episode soon I'm going to cry.
  • 2 3
 Too bad I'm going to miss the Women's finals again. Get up at 4AM vs 6AM? I have a feeling what my brain is going to say about that.
  • 2 3
 Guess there's one good thing about the east coast other than rox.
  • 4 2
 Actually, this coverage is so shitty this year, with all the bulls*it talk for 40 minutes instead of showing more riders' runs, that we switched to watching replays. Skip the blahblah, skip all the "news" about the track, track previews, all the artificially pumped tension (as if the sport itself wasn't intense enough) and just watch THE THING.
  • 6 1
 @chmurka3rg: Agreed - I'd rather see more race runs than the entire history of the past season, tire size, venue, country, western Europe, and the northern hemisphere.
  • 1 0
 Hope Troy Brosnen wins!, Danny Hart is having a bad season
  • 1 0
 Jacob Dickson moving his way up the rankings!
  • 1 0
 I so want to see Pompon take this one.
  • 2 1
 Who's Rollin 29s
  • 3 0
 SC and Intense.
  • 1 6
flag barbasma (Jun 30, 2017 at 7:00) (Below Threshold)
 @hyperpower88:

And commencal
  • 3 0
 @barbasma: Brannigan is back on 27.5, not sue about the other Commencal riders.
  • 5 0
 @barbasma:
Brannigan stated in an interview that all Commencal team was back in 27.5.
  • 4 4
 Hhhhmmmm wondering if the v10 was always ment for a 29er
  • 4 3
 The've just done way more R&D to get the bike working with 29". Wait till it has a dedicated frame. It'll be even better.
  • 1 0
 Nice!
  • 1 3
 Wait where is Hart?
  • 5 0
 6th
  • 1 4
 I think Minnaar will try and retiree if he wins the overall this year
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