Results - Cairns DH World Champs 2017

Sep 6, 2017 at 13:48
by Pinkbike Staff  
Elite Men

1 // Loïc Bruni (FRA) – 3:26.656
2 // Mick Hannah (AUS) – 3:26.995
3 // Aaron Gwin (USA) – 3:28.623
4 // Jack Moir (AUS) – 3:29.257
5 // Troy Brosnan (AUS) – 3:29.649



Elite Women

1 // Miranda Miller (CAN) – 4:10.245
2 // Myriam Nicole (FRA) – 4:10.342
3 // Tracey Hannah (AUS) – 4:12.230
4 // Eleonora Farina (FRA) – 4:15.168
5 // Danielle Beecroft (AUS) – 4:19.361



Junior Men

1 // Matt Walker (GBR) – 3:37.788
2 // Joe Breeden (GBR) – 3:41.244
3 // Max Hartenstern (GER) – 3:41.774
4 // Sylvain Cougoureux (FRA) – 3:42.154
5 // Kaos Seagrave (GBR) – 3:42.758



Junior Women

1 // Melanie Chappaz (FRA) – 4:28.617
2 // Shania Rawson (NZL) – 4:31.318
3 // Flora Lesoin (FRA) – 4:35.552
4 // Beatrice Migliorini (ITA) – 4:38.098
5 // Ellie Smith (AUS) – 4:43.581



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561 Comments
  • 498 9
 UM how bout Sam Hill getting 6th on a trail bike ?!?
  • 81 4
 I can't believe I have had to scroll down his far to find a single comment about this!!!!!!!!!!
  • 35 3
 It's a pretty good advertisement for Nukeproof.
  • 25 2
 Remember Graves in PMB.... also incredible.
  • 7 39
flag chyu (Sep 10, 2017 at 1:05) (Below Threshold)
 Polygons on trail bike with dualies too.
  • 15 1
 @Adamknowles: I came here because of that reason only.
  • 53 17
 Respect to Sam, shame on UCI for the track choice.
  • 5 0
 @fartymarty: yeah. But a better one for Sam....
  • 22 1
 The DH 29ers are 180mm in the rear so are they really downduros?
  • 18 27
flag WAKIdesigns (Sep 10, 2017 at 3:50) (Below Threshold)
 @AntN: Enhillo
  • 6 3
 Isn't it an enduro bike? Anyway happy for Sam! Smile
  • 12 1
 6 seconds behind. Sam Hill fanboys have been hangin onto the Sam's use of flats for ages, now he rides a trail bike and is only 6 seconds of the winner? Dang...
  • 10 34
flag jclnv (Sep 10, 2017 at 8:15) (Below Threshold)
 It's not a trail bike. Anything 140mm+ is an AM bike.
  • 35 9
 Just cancelled my order for the Capra and ordered Mega instead!
  • 4 1
 you're a am bike????
  • 11 10
 It's not a trail bike. It has like 170mm of travel.
  • 21 0
 I'm permanently scarred from seeing a single crown go that fast. Looking at my enduro like, I'm sorry I can't love you like Sam Hill.
  • 16 14
 Goes to show you that it's not a DH worthy event, let alone a world championship.
  • 1 1
 @Adamknowles:
  • 5 0
 Sam Fkn Hill blows everyone's mind once again!
  • 19 4
 @mlr428: I know you're getting down voted, but you're not alone in this line of thought. It's a shit track and was a snooze fest of a world champs.
  • 6 0
 Great result and good to see him flying but surprised how much time he lost in the pedal section. Particularly leading the EWS and on a trail bike.
  • 1 0
 @nvranka: ....it weirded on me.
  • 1 0
 @Farry: How much time do you think he lost on the sprint? To most riders I think he made time, no? Be good if they did that analysis thingy.
  • 4 1
 @ColquhounerHooner: probably only Mik and maybe Loïc outsprinted Hill. Mik made up 3 seconds on him in a couple of hundred metres didn't he? Crazy. I'd like to see him go for the green jersey at the TdF. And I'd also like to see a few roadies bounce off him into outerspace on the final sprint in Paris.
  • 1 0
 @jclnv: thats not true my 2012 Giant reign was advertised as a trail/am bike and its 150 front and rear
  • 2 0
 @mlr428: i dunno, from what i heard from people there it sounded hard. Hill just hammered it down like a boss.

Miks power is unreal
  • 1 0
 @fartymarty: Seems like the only relevant race runs are what has happened recently, just like axle standards the OLD are left out in the dust!
  • 1 0
 @yeti951SD: you mean "relevant"...

IMO the last most significant was Gwins chainless preceded by Harts Champery.

PS i'm still rocking 135mm out back. I guess that makes me "Old Skool" ... or just OLD!!!
  • 1 2
 @fartymarty: Yep but can't show Harts Champery run on TV anymore, it was on those 'tiny' 26 inch wheels. UCI and the cycling industry are flagging all 26"/135mm as propaganda to their 'bigger is always better' agenda.
  • 2 0
 @nvranka: personally, when i watch a video of any course at any place ive ridden it never looks as gnarly as when i was trying (key word here) to pin it. i dont get why everyone whos never been to cairns has to assume its all flat pedaling because the camera angles suck and are close to the track in thick jungle filled with more things that want to kill you than anywhere on the planet. ive never been to cairns so im not going to judge it by the shitty broadcast, but its also a track that has history in wc racing, and i can appreciate that.
  • 279 6
 MILLER IS WOMENS WORLD CHAMP!!!!
  • 21 9
 Wow WHAT A RUN
  • 53 328
flag eeeasy (Sep 9, 2017 at 20:48) (Below Threshold)
 @Ride12: what a run? pure luck having 3 riders crash pure luck.
you def need it on your side Smile
  • 48 3
 We will take it.
  • 97 6
 It's a great day for Canada, and therefore the world.
  • 39 0
 She had the poise to pull it off, full props to her on a clean run
  • 93 0
 Gutted for Tracey Hannah She did a Sam Hill - lost the front, had a massive bin, comes second by under two seconds
  • 3 0
 Awesome!!!!
  • 11 3
 @mecabeat: makes up for a disappointing run from Finn
  • 2 0
 where is transmision from mens runs????
  • 84 3
 Crashing is part of racing and staying on your bike shows nerves of steels. She copped with the pressure when other didnt do it as well.She looked composed, smooth and fast while others looked sketchy and on the edge ... oh and also , you're a d**k for saying that@eeeasy:
  • 83 0
 Yes Miranda !!!!!!!!! Chainsaw would be proud !!!!!!!!!
  • 75 0
 To bad Canadians couldn't watch their rider win the gold ????
  • 7 1
 @adidasss: Yeah, what the Hell Red Bull. Get 5 runs in the men, and you go blank.
  • 25 0
 tracey is going to be gutted. The time she was laid down considering losing her chance of winning the race could well have been enough to still win.
  • 6 20
flag adidasss (Sep 9, 2017 at 21:40) (Below Threshold)
 start.. straight.. straight.. straight aaaaaaand then finish line!! really cool bro.
  • 9 32
flag eeeasy (Sep 9, 2017 at 21:56) (Below Threshold)
 @GatoGordo: don't have a dog in this fight just calling it as i see it.
  • 75 4
 @eeeasy: Part of winning is not crashing. You dont get to factor crashed riders in. If you cant make it down in one piece but others did, you obviously didnt win the race, you obviously weren't the best in that race. This is non-debatable.
  • 8 0
 @randybadger: I counted she lost roughly 15 seconds. If only she knew.
  • 14 0
 Turns out the timing was wrong, Nicole actually came second, Hannah in third.
  • 8 0
 Just heard on the world feed that there is a timing error with Tracey's time and she may not be 2nd... That would be hard to take if it's true.
  • 5 0
 @Dropthedebt: the issue was with Nicole's time, not Hannah's.
  • 2 0
 @src248: wow! Hard to imagine that this late in the day we get this coming up. Fingers crossed for all the girls who may be affected.
  • 31 1
 @eeeasy: winning is about risk management as much as it is speed, which is part of the skill of riding. It's not luck, it's the other riders risked too hard and crashed. Miller found the fastest balance on the day and won fair and square.
  • 2 0
 @pav4:
I know I had to watch it on Spanish tv
  • 7 0
 Miranda!!!!
  • 5 1
 @adidasss: You missed the fact that a lot of the track is through sub tropical Jungle.
  • 19 0
 No podiums in the 2017 wc, 9th overall and now World Champ! Let's hope this will give her the confidence to push it 2018 and become a regular on the podiums!
  • 4 1
 @kronze779: forgive my ignorance... "sub tropical" makes it a better DH track in the Jungle?
  • 8 2
 I'll be honest, it's better than Canberra..... Realistically, we could have a WC race in our Alpine across Victoria, but they don't put enough money into the resorts here for biking and don't have the resources to host a race. But it's probably the only place we have the real elevation, technicality and steepness for a WC track.
  • 59 4
 @bentown: I agree that she won fair and square and deserves the win. However, Tracy H, Nicole, Rachel and Tahnee are in a different league to the other ladies - these four are effectively competing against each other and need to really hang it out and take risks to win (against each other). Any of these four ladies could just cruise down the hill and smoke the rest of the field -They are in a different league. Mirandas last few dh races were 16s, 27s and 18s of first place. The fact that all four have screwed up is unbelievably lucky for Miranda. Everyone is attacking eeeasy but he has a point. Thats World champs for you and it makes it more exciting because you never Know how the dice will role. Well done Miranda - you were fastest on the day and deserve to be World Champ!!!
  • 5 33
flag RedBurn (Sep 10, 2017 at 1:13) (Below Threshold)
 Pretty weird to be world champion but not the faster..
  • 1 0
 @Waldon83: theres awaba in nsw
  • 8 3
 @RedBurn: You don't sound logical
  • 1 0
 @Waldon83: and thredbo
  • 2 0
 @adidasss: sound control to Major Tom....
  • 11 0
 Its Miller Time !
  • 3 0
 @Prof: Facts!
  • 12 0
 Tahnee was so happy for Miranda - that big jump hug was awesome and real.
  • 1 0
 @mxmtb:
  • 2 0
 @mecabeat: they didn't get the Livestream to watch Miller's run so it's not a good day in canada
  • 2 1
 @anchoricex: Meant to upvote, my bad.
  • 2 0
 Way to go MM
  • 2 0
 Link to the replay pls. Thank you
  • 9 32
flag jclnv (Sep 10, 2017 at 8:13) (Below Threshold)
 Congrats to Specialized for both titles. Proof that the Demo is the best DH bike.
  • 3 0
 I'm sooo happy for Miranda!
  • 16 0
 @jclnv: Where's Protour when you need him?
  • 13 0
 @vinay: He's still reeling from the shock that both winners survived their runs on those death trap Demos.
  • 2 0
 @jclnv: right thats why this was their only win this season....
  • 1 0
 @metaam: Granted, I would have expected Finn to get a nice result. He may go on about that.
  • 2 2
 Yes she deserves the win. She was the fastest, but she was so lucky. What odds do you think you would get on the top 4 (if you include Rach from the practice crash) riders in the world all falling off. Even then 2 of them were so close to winning.
  • 198 35
 How in the world does cairns get a World Champs? Track is a joke, coverage is absolute dog shit. And after hearing how North American World Cup stops are infeasible due to the cost for teams? Like none of this makes sense. I have a hard time truly calling this thing a dh course.
  • 47 12
 Why am I watching people pedal so much... thought it was DH not XC
  • 44 37
 @stevenmulcahy123: this is a joke. Now really starting to call in to question how retarded/corrupt the UCI is. How has whistler not had a WC stop? How can you justify cairns which is the back corner of the world then right off all of North America? This joke of a venue is pissing me off on so many levels.
  • 33 3
 At least in the TV coverage they could have cameras in the parts without the pedalling instead of start gate -> pedalling -> drop -> pedalling -> more pedalling -> finish area
  • 17 9
 @stevenmulcahy123: right? Literally 30 sec of the minute they show of the run is flat pedaling. This is a disgrace. Almost hoping Sam Hill pulls it out so there literally is no counter argument.
  • 36 6
 US does not have a wc race because people do not show up to see it! And the organizers don't want to do a lot of work for little money. I was at the last 3 wc at windham, there were less people than today.
  • 127 47
 @pbfan08: you know that you're country isn't the centre of the universe right?
  • 34 2
 @pbfan08: the suits got paid. Cairns paid them the big $'s. TV/internet rights went to the highest bidder. ICI doesn't care if they play it and promote the sport or promote the venue that paid them. They couldn't give a rats ass. Got the fat stack in the wallet. That's all that counts. Unbelievable that we're left hanging this long only to find out we can't watch it the way we've been watching it for years. They decide the venue a couple years in advance. There is absolutely no excuse for this lack of planning. How in hell do the riders/teams/and venues put up with this. Boggles the mind how bush league this organization is
  • 53 14
 @fatduke: I'm well aware, which is why I was arguing for my whole continent which is vastly under represented in contest venues. In fact if anything I argued for my neighbors (whistler/Canada) specifically to get more. Please try harder.
  • 14 12
 @pbfan08: if whistler thought it would work there surely they'd have the cash to pay for it?
  • 46 14
 If you think you can do better, get in touch with some tracks and make it happen. If you just want to whinge on the Internet, well be my guest then.

But we've been racing at Cairns for 21 years now so the place must be doing something right! Razz
  • 78 10
 Oh yeah, for all you people whinging about how this isn't a DH track remind me again why the 4 best women in the world couldn't get down it without crashing?

The pedalling section at the end is 15sec out of a 3.30-4.00 race run. Get over it.
  • 12 36
flag pbfan08 FL (Sep 9, 2017 at 23:04) (Below Threshold)
 @BorisBC35: so by your own admission 7%-10% of a downhill track is flat and there should be nothing of note?
  • 19 7
 @pbfan08: Did it occur to you that they might be racing which means they might even pedal downhill (shocking I know). There are other DH tracks where you have to pedal and chances are if you weren't racing the course you'd coast it.
  • 5 14
flag scary1 (Sep 9, 2017 at 23:20) (Below Threshold)
 @fatduke: you guys lost that title more spectacularly,though
  • 5 1
 @scary1: eh?
  • 14 37
flag Skinnyman (Sep 9, 2017 at 23:27) (Below Threshold)
 I feel like they take the WC to Cairns just for Mick Hannah to have a chance.
  • 20 17
 The XC course was more tech than the DH course
  • 22 9
 @BorisBC35: we're all patriotic but really you should be pissed. The track sucks. You have better tracks but it's just about the $. Then the uci sells the tv/internet rights to highest bidder and they don't even play it live in North America. When they do play it a fraction will watch because we've all heard the deets and also that the camera are in s&@t locations so not only do you pay to advertise a poor track but it doesn't even get the viewership. Teams/riders should lay down the law. Good venues/tracks/coverage or we walk. We'll follow them right to crankworx
  • 9 9
 not a good track for downhill season much less world champs and to be fair Windhams 2 minute course shouldn't be on the uci circuit either.as far as a usa stop I dont think its a cost thing since they could run it behind something like MSA if it was a money thing.
What i want to know is why didnt the racers get a kiss from the flower girls?
  • 44 14
 @pbfan08: lol. It's amazing how uninformed you are. Putting on a world event, is a little more complicated than a little race on your home trails.

Huge dollars are needed to pay for everything. Think what 4 minutes of track tape costs, medics, marshalls, commisionaires, advertising, bike park rental, trail crew. Takes two years of hosting events in order to be considered to host a World Cup, then you have to host that at least one of those in order to qualified to apply.

People take racing seriously. Remember Minaar blowing up when the start hut was an inch too low and snagged his visor?

Get involved in racing events on the back end before you talk shit about the venues that do put the immense effort, to apply and qualify, then able to deliver a World Cup event.

Track is gnarly. End sprint is good. Shows who has been getting fit. Not just park rats. Riders pedal on plenty of motorway sections of trail.
  • 22 14
 luckily no more Cairns next year......that's all Big Grin
  • 17 0
 @Skinnyman: in my opinion the track in Cairns is hard to broadcast with all that jungle around...it's a tough and classic track.
  • 17 30
flag Lotusoperandi FL (Sep 9, 2017 at 23:58) (Below Threshold)
 @BorisBC35: It's a shit track.

PERIOD.
  • 5 3
 @BorisBC35: Probably because they have to pedal for what a whole 15 seconds lol.
  • 11 4
 @Lotusoperandi: not Park enough for you?
  • 22 2
 @bonfire: but yet the EWS puts on great event after great event with a few new ones every year that are also really good and all have 5-10x the distance of any wc dh track. Good turnouts, good coverage. Putting the rider first because they want good tracks. Venues sell themselves, just showcase them and reap the visitor $'s. Everyone happy. It's not rocket biology bro. Race organizers at a multitude of levels have been doing this forever. Just need to get the suits out of the picture and get passionate bikers calling the shots. F&@k da man
  • 22 5
 Cairns is SURROUNDED by a Sub Tropical Jungle and a World Heritage area now if you had even been to Cairns you would know this. So there are areas along the track that are not easily accessible let alone safe because it's a f*ckin Jungle with Snakes and huge spiders etc etc.. get it? As for the Track being a joke, why did so many top riders crash on it?
  • 7 14
flag kronze779 (Sep 10, 2017 at 0:11) (Below Threshold)
 @artoBP: Prick!
  • 3 4
 @pbfan08: Crankworx and UCi are slightly not the same beast.. You figure it out i know I can't
  • 5 4
 @stevenmulcahy123: Arrgggg...Look man it's a fricken Jungle ie: Sub Tropical Rain Forest. Ok you can't have Cameras all the way along the track because it's inaccessible for stuff like um TV Video cameras and besides Whistler doesn't amongst many others. So what's your point? Ask the riders what they think about Cairns and this track?
  • 3 4
 @won-sean-animal-chin: So how much of each track does Crankworx televise at Whistler apparently that's Canada right?
  • 1 4
 @Skinnyman: Well at least he "has a chance" right? Apparently Mick Hannah live's in the US not Australia.
  • 13 10
 This is f*cking pathetic, never seen so many people whining in my life. If all you are going to do is cry about it and not actually do anything about it then having a f*cking sook and shut up, there's a lot more that goes on than just "selling the event to the highest bidder." I think it's a phenomenal track that really tests peoples limit both physically and mentally.
  • 40 34
 No body wants to go racing in America because people are afaid of being shot by police officers or crack heads. Clean your sheet up America.
  • 10 3
 @AntN: Yeah but you don't have to pedal.
  • 30 26
 Bunch of butt hurt aussies who can't accept the fact that their sandbox is full of cat turds.
  • 6 1
 @kronze779: they're just getting started. It's been a huge success. It'll happen. Crankworx have been at it a bit longer and they have great courses and coverage. EWS is growing the fastest so they'll have it soon. Why u shillin for da man(uci) bro? This is about winning not arguing. U ride road ?
  • 10 2
 Agreed. It was fun for the riders but it wasn't fun to watch. There was no flow to the track and the riders were saving energy just for the flat sprint in the end which was painful to watch.
  • 5 9
flag bonfire (Sep 10, 2017 at 0:47) (Below Threshold)
 @won-sean-animal-chin: Lol. EWS is a consumer event, with some pro's in it.

Don't get me wrong. EWS is baller, some wicked riding in it, some rad tracks, the organizers are absolute legends. It is growing rapidly, now you have EWS qualifying events. Just wait, it is going to end up in a similar spot to the UCI. As it expands, the admin and controls are going get more and more expensive. But it is also growing rapidly because the format works better for people.

Si Patton not passionate enough? How is his BDS going? iXS series? Canada has a pretty lame system with Canada Cup. Especially if you live on the other half of the country.
  • 17 17
 @WiseGuy22: when people talk about the best track, they say schladming, champery, MSA, fort bill, Andorra. No one says cairns. That's zero people. The sport is "downhill". End of story. Quit your wingin. Your team couldn't even win on their sh$t course/sad
  • 7 7
 @Powderface: sounds like a bunch of butt hurt people who struggle to turn a crank.
  • 15 12
 Ah piss off with this anti-Cairns shit. It's a sweet track! How many crashes again!?
  • 8 1
 @bonfire: Si certainly is and there is a bunch of top riders but it's not "all of the best in the world in the premiere series". We'll all watch the best in the premier series. The sport will only benefit with a system that takes track quality standard level into account. Crankworx does it. EWS will. It's beyond poor organizing when there is no clear advertising on how we can follow the action. Sh&at, even Pb and vital we're struggling to find out what was going on up until it started. Something is broken. It's not like this shit hasn't gone on before. How long do we wait for the UCI to get it together? Do you actually think they will?
  • 1 1
 @Skinnyman: Best comment.
  • 7 4
 @Powderface: answers the crashing question. Cat turd crashes. Slippery shit
  • 3 0
 @Powderface: A bit harsh but a very funny comment.
  • 5 2
 The USA is the richest country in the wortld stump up the money and you will get races, don't and you won't.
  • 9 7
 @fatduke: your name explains a lot... If pedalling is so bad then why are you involved in this sport? It is a bicycle after all.
  • 4 3
 @WiseGuy22: I figured he was on the burnt steak and ketchup diet and was prone to snapping off huge logs
  • 2 22
flag WiseGuy22 (Sep 10, 2017 at 1:43) (Below Threshold)
 @won-sean-animal-chin: Ummm didn't miranda miller come 7th in MSA, talk about pathetic.... I Could think of several women that deserve the world champs title more than fking miranda miller.
  • 2 1
 @won-sean-animal-chin: not gonna lie that made me laugh
  • 11 2
 You are only seeing what the cameras show, the track is gnarly, the cameras show the shittest parts, none of the whoops or micks drop
  • 5 11
flag javijavi (Sep 10, 2017 at 2:05) (Below Threshold)
 @AntN: it is a weird society, an empire of war, that is all they want, to start wars everywhere.
  • 2 1
 @WiseGuy22: you've lost me fella, I'm not complaining about the pedalling, there's no uplifts where I ride so you have to pedal.
  • 4 3
 @WiseGuy22: aaaah I see the sarcasm may have gone over your head on one of my comments. I'll try dumb it down for you next time.
  • 5 2
 @won-sean-animal-chin: don't ruin steak with ketchup
  • 4 1
 @Yahh: dusty AF. Tahnee loved it
  • 5 3
 @fatduke: apologies dude, I just reread your comment and realised that I misread your comment, I thought you were one of those blokes that say "it's dh not xc", implying that you should not have to pedal. Trying to keep things friendly but sometimes I think people fail to understand what riding a bike actually is haha. not gonna lie I also got a bit triggered by the previous comments lol.
  • 1 3
 @fatduke: rip, i just took a massive L haha
  • 2 1
 @kronze779: As you can also read on Vital MTB: " Mick has been quite vocal about his training in the region in hopes of winning World Champs and he ran as hard as he could, but it just wasn't his day."
  • 2 0
 @WiseGuy22: Nay worries fella, keep it rubber side down.
  • 12 0
 @andydhteam: Mick Drop, RidgeLine, the Whoops section was bloody awesome track side viewing.
  • 3 2
 @fatduke: shit I was expecting a much more brutal reply than that hahaha
  • 15 2
 If any of the people bitching about Cairns had ridden out at Smithfield MTB park they would know that the place is actually rad.
No it's not a huge mountain with thousands of meters in elevation so it is a shorter course. And yes it the dh trail has got a nasty long pedal at the end. And let's be honest the TV coverage isn't the best due to access issues (very steep, dense rainforest with dangerous and poisonous animals and plants)
But it's steep, mostly very fast and has loads of sweet fun sections that weren't shown on the broadcast (look at the gopro footage for reference). And I'm sure all the riders wouldn't be hating the fact that after a long season of the tour grind to finish off in a god damm paradise on earth that is far North Queensland in what essentially is a backpacker party town.
  • 2 0
 @WiseGuy22: I've been awake a long time I'm struggling with bacis seplilng let alone a witty reply.
  • 2 0
 @won-sean-animal-chin: Facts!
  • 8 0
 Bruni won, he's pretty good on a bike. Sam Hill 6th. He's pretty good on a bike. Gwin, he's good too. Like the track or not, the best are the best.
  • 2 0
 @BorisBC35: does anybody know where I can watch the full replay?
  • 9 0
 Regardless of how good the track may or may not be, a lot of what makes sport great is the drama. Unfortunately the way this event was televised did not create any drama, sadly I was never on the edge of my seat. Having this event on the BBC should be quite a big deal in the UK but I can't see anyone who wasn't already into dh coming back to watch any more based on that showing.
  • 4 1
 @fatduke: whistler is owned by vail who doesn't care about mtb and the WC stop at windham, NY was packed
  • 1 4
 @kronze779: douchebag
  • 5 10
flag Beez177 (Sep 10, 2017 at 7:16) (Below Threshold)
 @AntN: Is Australia is full of a*sholes like you MATE!
  • 17 1
 @pbfan08:

We don't have a World Cup in whistler for a few reasons .

1 shutting down the hill for three days is almost impossible . The UCI has some demands we are not willing to meet

2 financial , whistler is already so busy we don't need a World Cup race
( we want one

I will share a rumour .

Creekside is open and has a a separate lift and hill side that we can shit down and control better . Also the creekside village has ample parking for the pits

This is how was are gonna pitch it to try and get a work cup

As far as teams and finances go for North America rounds of World Cup racing goes .

They just need better planning

Have 3 North American rounds back to back then go have the euro rounds

Kinda simple , but the uci is retarded
  • 1 4
 @pbfan08: Whistler DOESNT want a WC , that why ...
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 @bonfire: Everything you said was spot in ... except the last paragraph... That track as NOTHING gnarly on it , end sprint ISNT good , pedalling a motorway to go faster is great, shows fitness but pedalling a flat course to simply move forward otherwise you'd stop isnt DH , its xc and its flat out ridiculous for event of this caliber... You need to get out of Australia if you seriously think there's anything good about that shit track
  • 6 0
 Not trying to rag on Cairns as I'm sure there's good riding to be had there. But I just think for the championship race there could have been a better pick. It's like having a world poker championship in some Indian nation casino/truck stop VS. Las Vegas. I feel like there was some hidden agenda and no one cared to hide it that much.
  • 1 0
 @mxmtb: nothing in the southern hemisphere?
  • 3 3
 @Skinnyman: you are such a dickhead...
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flag pbfan08 FL (Sep 10, 2017 at 9:08) (Below Threshold)
 @mxmtb: @mxmtb: Yeah that all makes sense my main point out of all this just how nonsensical this course selection is. You consistently get told N. America, or really anywhere out side of Europe is not feasible as the Travel expenses are too high for the teams. Then you go and hold arguably the biggest event of the year on the back corner of the world which exponentially increases the costs for the teams. Again I could see that happening if they were travelling to WORLD renowned track, or going somewhere that coverage is spectacular. But none of these things are the case with Cairns, it does nothing but highlight the hypocrisy of these governing bodies. #UCICANEATDICK

Shit for all you british f*ggots that think I have a hard on for America. I couldn't give a shit where they are, there is just no excuse to have a lame track with shitty coverage for THE f*ckING WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS.
  • 2 0
 @pbfan08: are you talking about a bundle of sticks or the meat and herb based food?
  • 3 1
 @RedRedRe: Totally agree, I was there too and man where are all these people went. On the other side there are not that many US riders that can answer you " Do you now Aaron Gwin?" Sadly but true... hey but the Football season is around the corner - now this is the real action ma'n
  • 3 0
 @won-sean-animal-chin: spot on sir! EWS makes UCI look childish
  • 1 0
 @BorisBC35: It's called exhaustion, it could be a result of heavy continuous pedaling, followed by second of blidnes, just enough to bite the dust. Even for the best athletes on the planet, 1 min of enormous pedaling is a KILL, cuz they are DH Racers remember... steep, twisty, technical terrains, drops and no chain to win the race.
  • 5 0
 @DC1988: I agree... I did not get out of bed early to watch the best in the world roll down a start gate, around the rock garden and pedal along a flat road. And I'm not going to again at cairns. I don't understand why the camera angles were so bad, last year the whoop section and some other gnarly features were broadcast. 2014 was even better with the rain
  • 6 0
 @DC1988: I agree. It was really underwhelming. Family watched with me and I was a bit embarrassed. It's been said already but it felt like half the coverage was of people pedalling up a hill. That last section of the track ruined the whole course.
  • 1 1
 @Eden4: you are such a smart and nice person with an exquisite sense of humour...
  • 6 0
 I think Sam Hill settled this argument before it even started... he finished 6th on an Enduro bike! That probably shouldn't happen in a DH race.

As for the argument "what about all the pro's falling off". That's because they push on the edge of the limit no matter what track, just because people crash doesn't mean it's a great course.

Perhaps the track is the most amazing dh track in the world but the poor coverage didn't really show it to be. I dunno about the commentators where you watched it but here in the UK, they were useless. I don't think either of them have ever watched a dh race.
  • 1 0
 @scary1: Can you remind me when you guys last had this title to loose?
  • 9 0
 Guys! Slow down, my microwave can't pop popcorn fast enough!
  • 2 0
 @bozo83:
Don't know who the Aussie was but the Brit commentator was Nigel Page.
I say bring back Cunnynghame!
  • 2 0
 @Yahh: people crashing means it's a good track? What kind of drugs you guys on down there?
  • 1 0
 @loaded: probably some sort of Eucalyptus derived downer
  • 1 0
 @mxmtb: Good point about Creekside! I hadn't thought of that as an option but it makes sense. Keep the village side open and rake in money from even more visitors than normal. Race on Creekside without disrupting business. Question though... would it be possible for riders to take lift up from village, ride down a different trail on creekside to spectate, then take lift back up and ride down to whistler? For this to work I think there would need to be a separate lift for racers. But I've never been to that side and have no clue about layout and lifts.
  • 3 2
 @fatduke: we invented the sport. You're welcome.
  • 2 0
 @Jchuck: this is truth
  • 3 0
 @tuumbaq:

Get out of Australia, lol that is a kiwi flag. Live in NZ and born and raised in western Canada just like you appear to be. But good one. Nothing gnarly? You have some laps on it? If not, all you have is some pretty awful television coverage to go on.
  • 3 0
 @bonfire: anyone can have a world cup round if they pay.

The coverage made this track look shite, they definitely should have chosen better angles.

Still, if cairns pays, cairns gets a round. If the USA wants a round, it just has to find a resort willing to pay. It's nothing to do with the geographical location.
  • 1 0
 @kronze779: Some people just can't see the trees because they're blocked by the forest.
  • 3 0
 Congrats to Miller and Bruni. To me it looks like the UCI is a blaoed as te IOC. No wonder EWS is picking up steam...they serve up some great product for the spectator and the racer alike.
  • 1 0
 @mxmtb: Whistler can't organize that.... therefore: why can they welcome the EWS and not the DH WC?
  • 1 3
 @fatduke: you just a miserable c*nt? Cause nowhere did i see @pbfan08 mention the US ? Its ok, you probably just read what you wanted. Fukking wanker
  • 3 0
 @SeaJay: ha love you too
  • 2 0
 @Jchuck: you might of invented it but you're lacking in competitors.
  • 1 0
 Have to agree. I've watched all the World Cups live this year and all the races were super exciting. This one felt boring, some of the people I was watching it with (who are avid bikers) just walked off and started doing other stuff, that never happens!
  • 2 0
 @tamallama: exactly. No suspense. Lack of seeding detracts a lot from the spectacle
  • 2 1
 @fatduke: Isn't this such a friendly comment section. Looking back at my comments from last night gave me a good laugh haha. I think it's fair to say us Brits, Aussies, and Muricans are fairly patriotic lol.
  • 3 0
 @WiseGuy22: the thing is the track was fine the coverage was shite. Not overly patriotic to Britain only certain parts. Like you antipodeans though, funny bunch.
  • 5 0
 @fatduke: it is not a slur on Aussie to say the track or the coverage were poor.
  • 1 0
 @RedRedRe: to be fair Windham is kind of out there. Put a WC in a big ski town in the US or Canada (besides MSA) and even the dentists will watch sitting on their brand new Carbon Intense 29ers.
  • 1 0
 Nothing stopping them having one in the USA if the organisers want to do it and can make the economics add up.
  • 5 2
 Anyone who has walked/ridden that track knows that most people wouldn't even attempt it on a trail or enduro bike. The rock garden is up there with MSA, probably more technical at race speed. The jumps and drops are huge, the "double" at the bottom of the generator is actually like a quad and most riders are only able to double in and double out, and that's even at the WC. The newly named Mick's drop is big enough that it took Sam Hill most of practice before he was even doing it on his enduro. The jump section in the middle of the track is so high speed and high consequence that many riders crash out just in practice each year. And the generator is as steep, long and technical as many other sections on other renowned WC tracks.
It is shorter than other tracks in the world, but until you've ridden them and can compare to the track at Cairns, don't let a sprint to the finish or the difficulty of getting more cameras through the jungle fool you, this is a formidable WC DH track.
  • 3 1
 Meh. We've seen enough pictures to know what the track is.The rock garden is technical but short. And yeah, a few features to large for mere mortals. But really, it is a track most pinkbikers could ride no problem. It isn't a difficult track in the sense that pretty much every downhiller could roll it.
  • 1 1
 maybe as american you know that part of the problem is the fact that almost nobody in america even knows what world cup downhill racing is. they all think mountain bikes are the $149 walmart pos bikes they tried riding one weekend and then let them collect dust in the garage to go do something easier. but Canadians, they deserve more world cups. sorry gwin your countrymen are too fat, lazy and distracted to care or even know about your sport
  • 1 0
 @pbfan08: dude, almost nobody in the us even knows wc downhill is a thing. ive tried explaining it to my coworkers they think im nuts
  • 1 0
 @pbfan08: i second this sentiment, the us doesnt care about pedal bikes its too hard for most of them, why do they care to watch it
  • 59 1
 The fact that Redbull TV showed Sam Hill's full run on a enduro bike was all I need to see
  • 11 7
 Finally, the coverage was not produced or filmed by Redbull TV! I noticed something different the second I started streaming it. After 20 or so riders, I thought it was strange because it was Full HD, no buffering, no "Oops, something went wrong", no drop from full HD to 240 and then back to HD, nearly the full runs. With about 15 riders left, Rob said, "The local promoter has control of the broadcast". Redbull just carried it, nothing more. It reminded me of the Freecaster days, but without the alcohol and swearing.. Redbull TV needs to get their act together.
  • 8 0
 @oldschool43: this is how all world champs have been. They always show all the riders.
  • 6 0
 @oldschool43: I had the same connection errors, 360p runs and buffering...Redbull still runs their streaming servers.
  • 5 0
 @oldschool43: Yep, they definitely need to resurrect the alcohol and swearing.
  • 2 0
 @metaam: thirded
  • 2 0
 @metaam: And bring back those classic one liners!!
  • 55 3
 Tracey was on a crushing run... Massive respect to get up after that, catch her breath, and continue. Miller won the war, Hannah, a true battler to the end. Love Hannah spirit.
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flag javijavi (Sep 10, 2017 at 2:09) (Below Threshold)
 All that time lying down... get up and race, of course, that coming from someone who has never raced DH, but get on the bike asap and finish!
  • 13 0
 @javijavi just show yourself out
  • 55 5
 Sam Hill 6th on a beefed up trail bike. He embarrassed a lot of World Cup downhill racers today.
  • 45 1
 I wouldn't be embarrassed to be beaten by Sam Hill at World Champs. I'd BRAG about being only 20 seconds off SAM FRICKIN HILL.
  • 16 15
 Well considering Cairns shouldn't be a downhill track and the fact Sam is not only a beast but a recently retired downhill rider, no one should feel ashamed to be behind him.
  • 12 2
 How was it beefed up? He even just ran a super deluxe air damper in the rear... Smile
  • 14 2
 @Jack-McLovin:

The fact is that after sector 2, Hill was only 2 and something seconds off Hannah/Bruni, which was considered the rough and technical part of the track. Ironically he lost most time at the 3rd pedally section. There was quite a lot of strong head wind at the start of the race, which eased off mid-race. That might be the reason why he lost time there or might be not - he may have simply burned out and didn't had enough power.

But still - Hill was almost on par with the best guys on the steep and technical part on his Nukeproof. Great run from him.
  • 5 1
 @velio84: on the Australian coverage they had Nigel Page commentating with some other guy, he spoke to Hill after his run then when on comentating. He said Sam was suffering a bit and had to back off because the smaller bike was harder on his arms at race pace, and the track felt "slower" than in practice.
  • 2 0
 Come on man, it's Sam Hill! He could come in 6th place on Schwinn Le Tour, lol!
  • 46 3
 Miranda Miller won and nobody in Canada got to see it.
  • 14 1
 Dude I did
  • 36 0
 We are all using USA ip's. Hehe
  • 18 2
 ^^ You should both be ashamed and hand yourselves into the authoreteh's now
  • 19 1
 It's quite a shame there was no way to see the race "legally" in Canada. How is this a thing? @pinkbike how about a little investigative article on this? We want to know the actual reason.
  • 4 0
 @jerebuss: We know the reason. Rogers owns the Canadian broadcast rights. They'll probably air a 30 min special at 2am on Sportsnet 360 in a few months.
  • 42 3
 This just in. Next year's World Champs will be held in Utrecht, Netherlands. Word is Sam Hill will be racing on a cyclocross bike.
  • 4 3
 Actually 2018 event is in Lenzerheide....mabye 2020....
  • 3 0
 I would love that Razz
  • 42 3
 Pretty gutted for final outcome. Happy Gwin finally got a medal. More than gutted for Sick Mick.
  • 70 3
 how about gutted for greg? he cant be happy with enve right now. 2 title clinching runs, 2 run ending flats.

i guess enves new bead protector strip is not all its cracked up to be
  • 18 0
 @jaycubzz: hah, cracked.
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 **its SIK MIK
  • 5 7
 @jaycubzz: He broke a spoke that then was driven through the rim strip. Not the rim or tire casing fault.
  • 2 0
 @jaycubzz: I agree. Companies should be careful what their marketing tells the public. They will lose sales I reckon.
  • 6 1
 @jaycubzz: Bruni, Miller, Schurter, Neff, ALL on DT Swiss, no flats, no cracks, no burped tires, no fancy glow in the dark stickers.
  • 1 1
 You're MORE than gutted for Sik Mick? You are a good friend...
  • 1 0
 @Baciatutti: Yea except that, if what bicycle019 says is true, the spokes were likely DT. There's a lot of shit that goes into these bikes and riding them and these products and riders are all still playing at like the 99.99th percentile so I'm sure if you pick up some ENVE's you'll be fine.
  • 35 0
 Wow, timing errors at the pinnacle of DH racing?

What about all the other runs, was it purely because Pompoms run was so dubious that they noticed?

I wonder if now the whole event will be scrutinised or if the UCI will bury their heads to save face.

Start the rumour mill!

#notsayingitwasaliens
  • 7 0
 Aliens all the way, even the tree! Big Grin
  • 3 0
 I think we know the answer. They'll bury their heads.
I wonder how many separate timing systems they have? They said they checked the back up, curious whether they have more than one back up. And obviously how often mistakes can occur? When riders can be separated by less than a 10th of a second it does make you wonder...
  • 6 0
 I can't belive the timing is correct. If you look at Timed Training, Pompon had a 4.06 and Miranda had a 4.26. At the Race they are tied at 4.10. It's pretty unlikely that Pompon was 4 seconds slower in her world champs run, than in practice. Also Hills timing, who startet right after Pompon, was at least 6 seconds off Wink
  • 29 1
 Just as a little reminder...Sam hill rode down there on his EWS Bike, midseason, without pure DH practice for a while, on flat pedals and finished 6th place!!! Still a phenomenon...
  • 15 3
 Just like Graves in PMB when he got 3rd.
  • 30 0
 Oh wow Finn... Everyone thought in the bag. Congrats Matt.
  • 6 0
 Sorry for Finn, Nice to see kaos up there. congrats to a great season
  • 23 10
 MIRANDA MILLER
  • 13 5
 @Ride12: Miller won the womens, not the mens Juniors Rolleyes
  • 28 1
 Mirada funking miller
  • 19 0
 Canada may not be able to watch but we took some stripes
  • 17 0
 @JimmyI: Maybe they'll let us watch it next year?
  • 5 1
 Tron funkn blows
  • 4 9
flag Intense4life (Sep 9, 2017 at 22:16) (Below Threshold)
 @powderturns: Tron does funkin blow and so does red bull tv...funkin had it with this shit.
If there was a world champs on hiding first place would go to wallet second to keys and cell pulls the bronze.
Funk you red bull...funkin cough medicine shit and you coverage stinks like a dump bear ...not impressed
Congrats M&M
  • 10 1
 @Intense4life: Its not red bulls coverage. And its free.....
  • 1 3
 @Paul7189: well I can't find it anywhere...
  • 10 2
 @Intense4life: it takes two minutes to install Opera or a VPN client. I watched the whole thing here in Squamish.

The video feed was provided by the local TV network, not Red Bull.

It cost me a grand total of zero dollars.
  • 4 5
 @antennae: Zero dollars but a quadrillion Canadian pesos Wink
I couldn't resist...sorry
  • 2 1
 @ZeBraW: Says the guy who lives in a country which once achieved an inflation rate of over a trillion percent. lol
  • 29 7
 Came hear to read the glowing comments about what a fantastic race this was and then get swamped with all these bullshit comments. Christ theres some wankers around here. FO and get a life
  • 19 0
 I wouldn't mind getting a bit more detail about Myriam Nicole's timing snafu and how they were able to still measure it to 9/100th of a second. She was faster by 2 secs in the second split and the timing mistake apparently happened at the first split.
  • 3 2
 @asauvage : UCI has a secondary/back-up timing system.
  • 5 1
 @kwapik: I am aware of this, i heard the UCI "explanation" like everybody else here. Smile Just saying that it would help to understand what is the +/- tolerance of said back up system, when there is so much at stake. Obviously the system wasn't fully automated if it took Myriam's complaint to the commissaire to realize there was a mistake, and if there is an element of manual/human interaction it may be less precise - maybe not precise to the 9/100th.
  • 4 0
 The backup timing is a MANUAL system, per UCI official! No way they'd be accurate enough if it came to splitting hairs.

Now I wonder how many other runs have accuracy errors...and how long it's been going on unnoticed. Remember Rachel Atherton beating all the men in the speed trap? Gee always thought it was a computer error.
  • 4 0
 @Jamminator: source on that quote from Gee?
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: 4:32 - youtu.be/Bnx-kYr2qQM?t=4m32s
  • 24 5
 geezus christ, stop the whinging about the track. Enough already. It was still a race. Learn some history, Cairns changed the face of downhill when they first held the Worlds there 21 years ago. The riders then could not believe it. Too used to gunning down fireroads or grass slopes. And this track blew their minds, sure things have changed since then but this year was an anniversary of '96. Next year it'll be somewhere else. But not in USA, cos no one there can be fucked organising it. Granted tho' the coverage was shit.
  • 24 3
 BRUNI WINS!!!!!

live.tissottiming.com/?id=00030E0200010502FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF1&style=Tissot
  • 15 3
 Finally someone who actually congrats the winner por World champs!! Everyone complaining about the track, timing and whatnot... come on people let's talk about the RACE!! Stoked for Bruni.. what a rough year! Hope this helps his confidine going into 2018
  • 3 0
 Hell yeah, BRUNI!! I was not surprised at all, only at the commentators for not expecting him to do great.
  • 24 5
 I feel bad for Finn, not the way you want to end your junior racing. He's like the Justin Bieber of mountain biking for us Canadians... Won't be long before he starts winning races as a senior!
  • 25 0
 His worst result in 2 years had been a 2nd.
  • 67 3
 But, we all hate Bieber...
  • 7 2
 @Dethphist: beiber fever is still strong
  • 9 0
 @owlie: I know I feel it places I shouldnt...
  • 21 2
 Have to feel for Sik Mik. And his sister. Could have so easily been two golds. Great effort from the Aussies, but gutted none of them could win it.
  • 17 0
 I'm thinking ENVE shares are going to drop...
  • 24 0
 Definitely going to be flattening out
  • 6 1
 They'll come back round
  • 4 1
 Not even, all wanabee pro riders gangsta bikers want a pair of those. A bit like a pair of gold plated rims for your tuned car
  • 3 1
 @Whipperman: Thats why roadies love them sooo much.
  • 4 0
 Lucky if they....break.... EVEN.
  • 15 0
 f*ck YEAH MIRANDA FOR CANADA (feel bad for Seagrave and Hannah, they were flying!)
  • 13 1
 @jamesbriancrilly: I'm retroactively impressed with the job Red Bull has been doing. Even with the same Rob & Claudio, the sub-par video really deflated the whole experience. Dunno how much to blame camera angles and how much to blame a dull track...but Leogang was gripping compared with this one, and everyone hates on Leogang...
  • 6 2
 Well said....Leogang (they will have to do something with this track next year) is maybe just "bike park" track, but Cairns ???.....last section o track last 1/3 .......is more XC than DH.....luckily no more Cairns next year...sorry aussies
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flag kronze779 (Sep 10, 2017 at 0:39) (Below Threshold)
 @artoBP: Why do idiots like you complain about a DH track that Legends of the sport like Shaun Palmer lost to Nico Vouilloz on in 1996. Why do you have the gall to put this country down when we would never do that to Austria? it's pathetic. Why does every track have to be like Leogang?
  • 6 5
 @artoBP: I have ridden the Leogang WC track and it's much easier to ride compared to Cairns.
  • 9 2
 @kronze779: sorry but I didn't said that Leogang is perfect track.....because Leogang is not perfect at all Big Grin !!!....also not the best track in Austria !!! 1996....Come on !!!....history is history....I can tell you about legendary Kaprun track next to my house Big Grin . I believe that you have many and many batter track then Cairns. Nothing bad about Australia.... Aussie WC DH ?? YES for sure ...Cairns ? NOT sure
More US WC DH ? YES PLEASE
Anyway TV coverage was terrible I think we can agree that both ? :-)
Now stop discuss and let's go ride our bikes !!!
Cheers dude (Idiot like me)
  • 6 0
 I think it's more to do with the camera angles and showing too much of the flat section at the end. It is a pretty hard venue to film and a lot of the good stuff is not shown. I've ridden both tracks and In my opinion, Cairns is a harder and a better track to ride beside the flat bit at the end.
  • 3 0
 @eesto: I will never compare any WC DH track with another WC track......personally like that variety of tracks .....that will show who's the overall best rider ;-). Leogang is fun to ride not really hard track, that's for sure...but maybe more friendly for spectators and camera guys (no jungle, no snakes, spiders, etc.. Big Grin ) don't you think :-).....RedbullTV have to do something... WC racing is for spectators ( crowds and sofa sitting guys/girls watching tv )....and coverage like this is just an insult to the work of all guys working on WC venue and also riders !!!!
You know what....I've never been in Cairns, but track (upper part) looks sick !!....bottom looks like xc, that's pity.......
  • 5 0
 @artoBP: Leogang is easier to film and for spectators to get around for sure, because of chair lift access and not in a jungle etc. The venue and crowd here are fantastic and I just don't get the hate for the track in Cairns beside the last 200m of course, it is fun to ride and tricky to master. It is 100% the coverage that needs to be addressed.
I highly recommend anyone to visit and ride in Cairns because you will be pleasantly surprised, Just don't come in summer.
  • 11 0
 I've noticed on some of the PB an Vital RAW footage throughout the season that they do a much better job of picking camera angles and positions to make it look like an actual steep DH track. I'm guessing that's the difference between hand held and ground cameras? the angles flatten out the track.maybe why that's why this track looks not so good? but, what ever .
We get to watch nearly live world champs action from the other side of the world for free......
  • 15 0
 Rob mentioned that Danny Hart is leaving Mondraker. Where is he going?
  • 3 6
 oh, I hope he goes to YT!!
  • 1 0
 Trek?
  • 13 0
 If anyone is in Whistler, both the GLC and the Fitz pub are showing the race. Get yer butts there, now!
  • 4 0
 I want to see the celebrations at the Whistler
  • 18 4
 THIS TRACK IS SO BORING TO WATCH
  • 7 2
 Can't agree more...I've watched every race this year and this is by far the most boring, uninteresting race of the season...almost zero excitement with maybe half-dozen exciting runs.
  • 4 3
 The track was not great to watch but the race was....
Just like Nascar. The tracks are super shit, but the racing (and crashes) make it interesting.
  • 5 0
 @T1mb0: not sure I agree...I actually thought the track was so bad that the racing was boring...you could tell that even Claudio and Warner were mostly bored.
  • 7 8
 I guess that's because Gwin was your only contender, if the US invested more in its riders like the rest of the world it would be more exciting for you. Hell you've got a whole mass of potential that goes untapped... Gwin's done so well partly due to guys like Martin Whitely investing in his amazing talent.
  • 4 6
 @AaGro: You maybe should base that on actually asking Warner and Claudio not just your opinion. They were not bored from where I was watching but hey maybe you're on drugs?
  • 7 2
 @T1mb0: I wonder if there is too much temptation for talented American children to go to a sport where they can be rich and famous and... rich. Let's not forget rich.
  • 9 3
 @wpplayer18 Do I need to talk about Sea Otter's DH track ?
  • 5 0
 @Whipperman: there is not DH WC in Sea Otter. kind of a big difference right?
  • 2 0
 @T1mb0: that's funny...with all those contenders of yours, where is the highest placed Brit? Only busting your balls a bit Smile

I was actually pulling for Mik or Hill - Gwin can get his in some other year.
  • 3 1
 @kronze779: no drugs, and it is fair that the Australians saw this as a great race. 2 of your legends doing well and, what? 5 men in the top 12 on home soil? That is a solid result and if that were any country's outcome they would defend even Sea Otter as a great venue for WC DH (don't you think so @Whipperman ?).

That said, I can only judge based on what I saw and heard. The coverage showed basically two crux moves and one of them was staying high through an off camber slight right hander to carry speed into the next bit - honestly not the most thrilling even if it was hard to do. Warner is usually good for a dozen or more runs where he spends the entire lap shouting and Claudio has to raise his voice and talk over him. Here, there was maybe a handful of runs like that.
  • 3 0
 @Whipperman: No, because I don't think anyone actually considers that a DH race. Sea Otter is a party that happens to have "racing".
  • 1 0
 @AaGro: my comment was not a criticism in anyway. Just an observation.
Americans are far more patriotic than every other nation so its quite astounding that there are so few representing... or wanting to.

Anyway the Brits have been at the top for a while now, its time we let someone else have a go Wink
  • 9 0
 just in: Miller in gold Nicole in Silver and Hannah in bronze for women's
seems there is a mistake in the primary timing. duhhh.. UCI sucks
twitter.com/UCI_MTB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uci.ch%2Fmountain-bike%2Fnews%2Farticle%2Flive-183728%2F
  • 4 2
 it makes me think, can we trust any of the results ? seriously the UCI is taking dozens of thousands dollars to "organize" the race and they fail the most important task : timing the racers
  • 6 1
 @zede: They have a Backup Timing as their said, which will be checked too. So i would say yes we can.
  • 1 0
 @MSVF: is the backup Timing as accurate as the regular one? When the difference between 1st and 2nd is 0.3s it is legitimate to ask.
  • 13 0
 What the heck is going on with Greg's tires? FFS!
  • 1 0
 Marsh on the edge of his seat.
  • 12 0
 Kaos Seagrave, what a kick ass name.
  • 13 2
 Not far off from the old days of the skin suit are we? I want to know what the UCI plan to do about it!?!

#importantstuff
  • 9 0
 Damn, I have been looking forward to watching Gwin race all week and I watch for hours and it cuts out right before his run.
WTF?!?!
  • 1 0
 I wonder if he had a clean run or if he rode down without a tire again or something?
  • 1 2
 Oh man it was like 5 minutes just replay it like I did after all it's Redbull TV right?
  • 7 0
 Listen everyone... the amount of vitriol up on this comments board is amazing. It all comes from the fact that we're very passionate about this sport. Our sport. It's not FIFA soccer or the NFL and it doesn't get that kind of coverage or money pumped into it. But we know, all of us know, that this is one of the most intense, daring and exciting sports that humans have ever created. Let's stop hating on a venue that few of us have ever ridden. There certainly is some difficulty to it as I saw many of the world's best going down on this course. Just ask Rachy box. The problem is the quality of the coverage. But given the fact that it's in a jungle, it's in a remote part of the world, and we don't have to pay $100+ a month for cable service just to get to see our beloved sport it's not too bad. The people that work hard to bring the coverage out of these places I'm sure are doing their absolute best. They love the sport as we do. We have Rabid Rob Warner and Calm Claudio as our commentators. They work extremely well together. Yes we should contact RB tv etc. and let them know we need better camera angles. They need to up the ante. I agree. But us hating on one another simply because we don't get enough of what we live to see is ridiculous.
  • 8 2
 These Aussie tracks aren't too friendly to Canadians. E. Batty's gash is pure pain and worry for her career. As for Finn... This day will be a chip in his shoulder to not take things for granted a consistent podium contender in the seniors.
  • 21 0
 you were saying?
  • 13 0
 seem to suit Miranda pretty well
  • 8 2
 MIRANDA MILLER
  • 3 0
 Wrote my comment before the DH elites went... Wallace wallopped in that slight bend but yeah... Miranda made me eat my words!
  • 8 1
 @senatorsrule65: I'm just worried about Emily Barry's gash.. Frown
  • 2 1
 *Batty's

Long night and auto-correct.
  • 10 0
 Awesome comeback for Tracey Hannah
  • 9 0
 Feel so bad for Tracey, she was on an amazing run. I just wanna give her a big hug.
  • 11 1
 LAST TWO RIDERS LEFT AND REDBULL CUTS STREAM. WTF.
  • 8 0
 After seeing minnaar S run (again) I definitely I am NOT looking for to buy ENVE's 3000$ new rims
  • 8 0
 The new "Maxxis Minion DNF" tire strikes again... Really bad luck for Greg in his last 2 races.
  • 6 1
 Timing, Timing, Timing..... We don't need no UCI let the mutha fu(ker burn!!!! Terribble timing, terrible coverage, especially for the womens race. Why does anyone still pay these dip$hits???
  • 6 0
 Bummed for Mik. He wanted it so bad and to lose by that margin is so cruel. It could've been the Cinderella story that was Greg in SA a few years ago.
  • 5 0
 What the hell happened to Myriam? She didn't look like she'd been down (no dust on her and she was still pushing like mad) but 44 seconds down.
  • 3 0
 Turns out the timing was wrong, she actually came second
  • 1 5
flag spaceofades FL (Sep 9, 2017 at 23:50) (Below Threshold)
 French. it happens.
  • 7 0
 Man I bet Ohlins is loving life right now
  • 3 0
 Yeh good day for them, 2x world champs elite golds in the book
  • 4 0
 For any UK people you can watch this on the BBC sport app where the commentary is by Nigel page and an Australian guy but on the Red bull website The commentary is done by Rob Warner and cloudio
  • 9 0
 I'm watching it on BBC and the commentary isn't bad to be honest - it's not like those chumps they get in for Rampage each year. I'm hoping lots of people tune in to show BBC and others there is an appetite for the sport, although I do prefer Claudio and Rob. What is annoying is the camera angles - a little too much coverage of the pedally sections rather than technical ones for me...
  • 4 0
 Feel I should watch it on BBC just to represent and show mainstream channel that mtb is viable to air.
On the other hand rob and Claudio's commentary is where i want to be.
I've compromised and left the sky box on BBC and watch it on redbull Smile
  • 31 1
 By the way, I don't know about you guys but I'm glad I don't live in Australia - If I had to get up at this time every day it would kill me... ;-)
  • 2 0
 i do Frown
I do not enjoy it
  • 1 0
 @slimboyjim: I didn't like it. Red bull tv paused a few times watching from PS4. Had BBC stream on my iPhone for backup
  • 3 0
 BBC red button was my first choice this morning, but it wouldn't load. So RedBull got my view
  • 2 0
 @slimboyjim: what an underrated comment!
  • 2 0
 @pimpin-gimp: There's enough stupid stuff written on PB so I thought I'd add to it...
  • 1 0
 @randybadger: I did the same.
  • 5 0
 Miranda freaking Miller for the win! Everyone from Squamish always knew she's fast, great to see her put the winning run together.
  • 3 0
 Seems like the dry dust in BC this summer ended up being good practice for the world champs. Heck yes Miranda Miller!
  • 8 0
 Dat Enve insert tho
  • 3 0
 lol
  • 5 0
 Worth all 10 squillion dollars it costs lol
  • 5 1
 From all the interviews I heard. Riders liked it. They all said it was challenging and going to be a good contest. I think South Australia should get one or maybe back to Thredbo.
  • 7 1
 So, Nicole is slower by 0.1s with a "manual" backup... I guess they could not change the world champion.
  • 2 0
 No, they could but that would be a massive embarrassment for the UCI. So let's give her a second instead by the smallest or margins. I don't want to take the win away from Miller, after all this is racing, but I can't help but feel the is something is wrong with this situation and perhaps a few riders have been cheated by the UCI.
  • 3 0
 Was up past 2AM in western NC watching this race! My wife thinks I am crazy but the race was worth it to watch live! Aaron you have plenty of fans around here! Don't want to hear that Americans wouldn't attend a UCI Dh race. Bring it to the dirty south and watch the fans show up! Some WC guys training here anyways! Luca - Your day is coming man! So cool seeing a local rider in the World Champs!
  • 11 5
 Tracy ! WHY YOU DIDN'T GET UP QUICKER ??!!!
  • 12 1
 That she got up at all is impressive. Flip to spine bounce off a root, isn't easy to shake off.
  • 11 1
 She must have been devastated thinking she had already lost it while tangled in the vine, doubly devastated once she finished. Four seconds over Tahnee in the first split
  • 22 1
 Winded, mildly concussed, in shock... We might not ever know. The fact she got up at all and finished her run is impressive enough on its own.
  • 7 0
 @j-t-g: the single fact that she got up at all was totally MAD respect. But i think she probably was so pissed at herself when she crushed was the reason why she didn't get up quicker (maybe asked herself what the fk is going on right now with the track that you are so familiar with?) Can we ask Wyn TV to track down what was going on ???
  • 7 0
 Sick Mick!!!!!!!!
  • 2 0
 A quote from Tracey lifted from The Cairns Post:
“Someone said ‘why didn’t you get up faster?’ but I hit my head, so I didn’t realise I was down,” / “I guess there was a bit of disappointment laying in the vines but I didn’t think about it for too long.”
  • 2 0
 Why could we not watch this LIVE or in replay in Canada? Given that on-line access is global? This is exactly why I am hoping EWS kicks the snot out of the UCI/RedBull corporate BS.
  • 4 0
 Anyone figured out how to watch in Canada?

i.e. does anyone know of a free ip bouncing site?
  • 2 0
 Opera
  • 3 0
 someone wrote it up in the comments here:
www.pinkbike.com/news/how-to-watch-the-cairns-2017-mtb-world-championships.html#cid1793947
  • 1 0
 Free trial from zenmate.ca
  • 6 0
 FK yeah Miranda!!!!!
  • 5 0
 Miranda Miller SENDS IT!!!! SIIIICKK!
  • 6 0
 Sam the man Hill.
  • 2 0
 He looked so good!
  • 5 0
 Sam Hill is already the winner in my 3
  • 7 6
 1) still don't understand why Cairns.........the most of redbulltv coverage looks like XC race, not like DH so wtf ?!!??!!
2) 29' are dead HAHAHA ....where's the advantage of bigger wheels ??
3) Sam Hill ......is the real KING
  • 2 0
 @artoBP: 2) "bigger wheels" won the Junior Men
  • 2 1
 @kwapik: ....maybe Finn's mistake did :-)....maybe batter luck, maybe batter rider.....still it's about rider that's great news don't you think ?
  • 9 8
 Watched with my 8yr old daughter, after she said she'd like to ride that track. Nuff said. Not taking away the fact she is a good rider, but she's 8! she should be saying 'FUCK RIDING THAT, THAT TRACK, IS INSANE'. The last pedal straight was hard to watch and in no way a good representation of the sport. Shame. Good to see it breaking out of online and broadcast on BBC red button though.
  • 18 7
 First. Your 8 year old shouldn't be saying swears. Don't say swears. Second, its good to see some fitness come in to play. We get so much flak for being a gravity sport, a tiny bit of pedaling shouldn't be a race ruiner for top racers. I'd much rather see this, where the top 5 are separated by seconds, than Leogang, where the top 20 are all within 5 sec of each other.



Also, do you really think an 8 year old's judgement based on what she saw on tv is what makes or breaks a course?
  • 11 7
 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: She didn't really say it, i wrote that for comedy value. you have ruined the illusion. sigh.
  • 4 1
 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: I agree that fitness should play a part, and a bit of pedalling should form part of DH as long as it is balanced with more technical terrain. However, I think the issue here is the coverage, where there was far too many shots of racers flat out pedalling large sections of the course - it's dull to watch and doesn't demonstrate the skill, bravery or excitement of DH well.
  • 4 0
 75th to 6th must be some kind of record. Sam Hill nearly had the hot seat all day.
  • 3 0
 Hill 6th with ews bike!!! Incredibile... This is a show of how high are the limits of modern enduro bikes... And the incredible skills of Hill.. legend
  • 3 2
 All the hype building up to people predicting Sam taking the win which was unrealistic, but not many comments about the absolutely phenomenal result of 6th place now?

There are enough comments about how crap the course is, I have heard peoples opinions that are actually there that it is a lot gnarlier in person than in video, but obviously it is no val di sole, champery etc and probably falls short of leogang etc - a shame really.

I would have loved to see Mick take the win though but at least Loic has saved his season!
  • 3 0
 Word is there was strong headwinds at the start of the race down by the flat pedal.maybe made a difference maybe didnt, but that result is good. He is so on point with his riding, watch the replay I dont think anyone can rail lines with thay kinda accuracy. A true legend. Wish he still had the burn to race more
  • 3 2
 So, the big question. Where in hell was the 5 place podium? Invented in Cairns in 96 to honour Cadel Evans. Could have had a 5 place podium here today and then Troy calls up Sam for schooling all the new dudes (cos he did) and there and then the UCI can take the credit for the 6 place podium AND Sam Hill gets honoured in what will be his last DH race ever. What a lost moment.
  • 3 0
 Friggin loic bruni. Of all the races to show up and win and snatch the win from Mik. He's almost a surprise any time he wins in a disruptive way.
  • 4 0
 Congrats do Loic Bruni..... and f*ck !!! SAM the legend HILL in 6th with is enduro ??? This guy is an absolutely LEGEND !!!
  • 1 0
 Where´s the n# 4 Downhill Men Elite Ranking ? He dont appears in the top 10 ?Not a word about it ?Hmmmmmm
Onother flat tyre ?Is FCKFlats doing something iinside that tyres besides occupying space ?
Sorry but have to hammer in sh#t parts till the cows cough..
  • 3 0
 Finn had a mistake at the bottom of the rock garden. I think this was one of many though.
  • 2 0
 WTF logged on to bbc to watch it this morning and as its loading the results scroll across!!!! way to go to ruin the excitement BBC you bunch of cnuts
  • 2 0
 Yeah they did that to me to, so I turned it off and watched it on redbull.
  • 5 0
 Thanks VPN and sorry.
  • 4 0
 So glad to see 4 woman's junior racers from the us!
  • 4 0
 Well done Matt we are all so happy for you bud
  • 4 0
 be nice if they had the splits...
  • 3 0
 I'm a little afraid after the crazy crashes at the women's runs...who will taste the dust at the men's?
  • 5 1
 Everyone on team specialized gravity republic has a rainbow!!!congrats!!
  • 4 0
 Finn just has an ex-rainbow.
  • 6 2
 Tracey and MIK are my winners Smile
  • 4 0
 Congratulations to Max Hartenstern!
  • 5 1
 Final score:
Ohlins 2
Everyone else 0
  • 4 0
 What a year for Jake Moir. Best bike in the pits too IMO.
  • 1 1
 No one desqualified with tyre blow out ,busted ?They are no more using FCK flats, Huck norris ,FTD etc ???
Its a shame ,a race have not that suspense when wil a tyre cames out the rim ?
Give us real solutions ,not crap to earn easy money.
True hurts
  • 4 0
 Poor Greg, him and tyres just don't work....
  • 1 0
 "Ouch... Cannot load m3U8: You do not have permission to access this content" -- Has anyone else seen this message? First I've ever seen it. Who can I blame? I need to get angry on the internet.
  • 2 0
 Sitting here waiting patiently to see how Hill finishes on his Enduro bike (:::::
  • 3 0
 Way to Miranda. Team Canada all the way.
  • 2 3
 Did anyone else notice that Slawomir, the 14 plate from Poland, after he flatted, was still throwing roost in turns even though he wasn't pedaling?I see it possible he was bike doping? And after crossing the line he walked bike everywhere, no pedal strokes so it possibly wouldn't be noticed.
  • 3 0
 Are you wearing a tinfoil hat perchance?...
  • 1 1
 Nope, take a look at the replay. Something weird about how it was spinning. @rokboy:
  • 3 0
 Noooo what happened to Finn!
  • 3 0
 Max on 3rd place...pretty awesome!
  • 4 0
 Tahnee and Tracey, nooo!
  • 4 0
 Miller!!
  • 3 0
 MILLLLLLLLLLLLERRRRRR!!!!!!!!!
  • 4 1
 It's funny because they didn't stream in the winners country.
  • 4 0
 Fischi....as usual Frown
  • 4 2
 Anyone know why Troy goes last and appears to be ranked behind Danny? There was no seeding, it's UCI rank, right?
  • 1 0
 UCI points determine order but last year's champ wears the number 1 plate
  • 3 0
 Matt Walker... get in kid!
  • 3 1
 And Loic has more World Championships than World Cup wins. The man knows how to turn it on for the rainbow stripes.
  • 1 0
 Would be nice if I could watch the replay redbull blocking out a country like canada from watching WORLD championship event good job.
  • 2 0
 No fckn way dude Miranda miller
  • 3 0
 bruni won
  • 2 0
 superbruni
  • 1 0
 that's all folks your 2017 UCI MTB World champs Gold - Bruni Silver - Hannah Bronze - Gwin
  • 1 0
 Cry
  • 1 0
 Love to know what the back up timing says about Tracey hannahs run.... ????
  • 1 0
 Watching Sam is so damn fast and composed on any bike i think it's really huge loss not seeing him on dh scene anymore...
  • 1 0
 I think we should let the racers decide if the track is a "shit" track, not us viewers...
  • 1 0
 So the fastest speed trap of the day of 72.7km/hr was set by the 6th place Women Junior?
  • 6 4
 Matt Walker be singing....."I'm FASTER than you"
  • 5 2
 "My bikes clean my kit is brand new. "
  • 3 0
 Yes Miranda!!!
  • 2 0
 Mad As Hell I can't watch this ( Canadian history )
  • 4 3
 Oh my gosh, Cairns is so boring to watch!! I like my DH races with more pedaling normally.
  • 1 0
 Apparently Women's result changed. Miller - Gold, Nicole - Silver, Hannah - Bronze.
  • 2 0
 Tracey Hannah just bumped to third!!
  • 2 0
 Warner just said UCI has Miriam N with the silver.
  • 3 1
 HOLY SHIT LOIC WON!!!!!!!!!
  • 3 0
 And Superbruni takes it.
  • 3 1
 Super Bruni - super run, nice work from the Aussies
  • 3 0
 SUPERBRUNI
  • 1 2
 That's sad he will have the rainbow jersey curse for next year though
  • 3 0
 Dissatisfied.
  • 4 2
 Superbruni does it again!
  • 2 1
 Thanks to Danish link, saw last 5 riders. Such a snooze of a course, all that was needed.
  • 4 3
 So Demo goes gold in both elites? Cant be true its not really a race bike is it?
  • 2 3
 Gutted for minaar. Maybe use total time in all tracks to determine the world champ next year. Just like it was a year long enduro race. That way punctures would not be so catastrophic and mistakes can be fixed a little.
  • 6 2
 Do you feel as bad for other's who flatted today? Tire pressure, type, reinforcements, line choice are calculated decisions at that level and same deal for every rider. These factors also makes the sport more dramatic to watch. Like Gwin coming back to win the World Cup this season (despite flatting out one track) or the time he won Leogang without a chain!
  • 1 0
 @senatorsrule65: just hate to see someone waste a whole year training and putting everything on the line to end up like that.... just thinking out loud that so much carbon this, multiple suspension controls, kashima that, and can't keep air in those tyres. Back to the basics. To make it clear, I'm every dh and xc racer fan they are heroes for me.
  • 1 0
 No coverage in Canada. Then Miranda Miller brings it home Smile Well done EH!!!! Gotta love a VPN to watch live coverage
  • 2 0
 Hill just missed the fukin podium! Wow.
  • 1 0
 gutted that BCF didn't send a back up rider for the women to replace Rachel
  • 2 0
 Yep, but I guess it was a bit too late
  • 1 0
 Awesome...!!! Tracey gets a bronze medal after a "short break" on the track.
\( ^.^)/
  • 3 1
 Eleonora Farina it's Italian not French !
  • 1 0
 *is
  • 2 0
 Happy for bruni but gutted for mik, was really rooting for him to win
  • 1 0
 There are mistake in the women ranking, there are difference between the text and the official rankings.
  • 1 0
 Good to see Mick up there! Man those commentators sucked balls. Im pretty sure they know nothing about riding bikes...
  • 1 0
 Holy shit Bruni!!! When you grab all the rainbows after so many fucked finishes, congrats!
  • 4 2
 Would really like to see the WC back in Champéry instead of here.
  • 1 0
 Defo have to watch the replay, the results look like it's been f*cking madness!!
  • 3 0
 SUPERLOLOOOOOO !!!!!!
  • 2 0
 SAM HILL!!! L E G E N D !!! Miller for the win and all Canucks.
  • 3 1
 That was the 2nd or 3rd most technical XC course this year.
  • 2 0
 Where ca we watch it?!
  • 2 0
 Redbull, just have to use a VPN. I'm using TunnelBear
  • 6 0
 If you don't mind Danish:
www.firstone.tv/Live/Denmark/TV-2-Sport-21
  • 3 0
 @jonbath: link works great in CANADA... And Danish language isn't too bad to listen too - not a harsh language hahahaha. Then can still hear the cheers and bikes
  • 3 0
 Opera browser has a built-in VPN. Can select either Germany, Netherlands or Canada
  • 1 0
 Thanks! I have a choppy US VPN I can english commentary from there and clean stream from that link!
  • 2 1
 Huge congrats to Miranda.
  • 1 1
 When does men's start? RBTV shows it's "live now" but get nothing when I click on link?
  • 2 0
 Probably not available in your country then
  • 1 0
 @geuben: Thanks, my bad, assumed it would be available Canada, but it is not. VPN sorted now.
  • 2 0
 @stevenmulcahy123: Rights for the World Champs are apparently all messed up. Not available here in NZ (only on sky), managed to watch online via the BBC redbutton (not on the BBC iPlayer though). I don't feel too naughty, paid my tv licence for years back in the UK
  • 1 0
 @geuben: the BBC detector van is on its way to find you now. The SAS will burst out of the van, kick your back door in and 12 heavy squadies will enter the rear. Then they will strap you down and waterboard you until you pay the 36 pence you owe for the viewing today.
  • 1 0
 there is no replay? i cannot find it on redbulltv
  • 2 0
 www.redbull.tv/video/AP-1R9ZMMU1D1W11/mens-dh-finals?playlist=AP-1RA8HCC8N2111:live_programs
  • 1 0
 @ColquhounerHooner: it says i have no premission to watch it... weird, dont know whats wrong then
  • 2 0
 @zakraviCZko: sorry, countries had differing licence agreements.
  • 1 0
 @ColquhounerHooner: i am in New Zealand and still can see all the other old replays... That's anoying :/
  • 2 0
 Finn crash?
  • 2 0
 Looks like it from the photo from a friend of mine on the finish line....

Looks like he might have been down by the looks of the dust...

www.pinkbike.com/photo/15148914
  • 3 1
 Nooooo, Finn!
  • 3 2
 72.7 MPH!!!!!! Is that time for Paula Zibas correct???
  • 1 1
 kph
  • 2 1
 @EnduroCX: Still faster than I've seen on any tracks this season...
  • 2 0
 @asboites: then you did not watch all the races
  • 1 1
 @RedRedRe: Actually I did and the closest in any of the results to Paula's speed was Adam Brayton at Mont Sainte Anne with 73.6 kph...so yea good on you with your ignorance.
  • 2 0
 NOOOOOOO FINN :'(
  • 1 0
 No way Miranda!! That's sick!! Should have 2!!
  • 2 1
 Did anyone notice Warner calling Miranda Miller a gorilla? :0
  • 2 2
 I mean she's larger and heavier than the men world champ
  • 1 0
 What a insane race so far
  • 1 0
 wait, the stream ended?!?!?!?
  • 3 1
 Loic!
  • 4 3
 F*uck sky TV! Redbull sellouts. But SAM HILL...Legend!!!!!!!!!
  • 1 0
 Way to go Miranda Miller!
  • 1 0
 so as per warners hint...where is danny going next year?
  • 1 0
 Does anyone know of any team change rumours?
  • 1 0
 If Finn had held it together Specialized woulda had 3 world champs, crazy!
  • 3 2
 Shitty snore fest piece of crap track.
  • 1 0
 * 4 // Eleonora Farina (ITA)
  • 4 3
 Myriam got robbed !
  • 1 0
 sweet
  • 2 1
 Congrats to SuperBruni!
  • 4 3
 Mik was robbed.
  • 2 1
 Myriam too...
  • 2 2
 My redbull feed froze right as Gwin drop in, epic failure
  • 4 3
 Shitty track
  • 6 5
 What a shit track !
  • 1 0
 Hurricane Irma!
  • 2 3
 REDBULL please don't fail me now Frown
  • 1 1
 Eleonora is ITA
  • 1 0
 Sure ! when "Eleonore Farine" is French
  • 1 2
 what website can I use to place a wager on this race?
  • 4 0
 google
  • 1 1
 Demo 3
  • 1 1
 French-Canadian
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