Results: Fort William DH World Cup 2018

Jun 3, 2018 at 2:41
by Pinkbike Staff  
It s good to see Sam Dale back between the tapes of a WC downhill once again and safely into finals.

Live timing here.

Watch the event live on Red Bull TV here.

The rain held off, but Fort William still had plenty of variables to offer.

Unsurprisingly, Valentina Holl left the Junior Women’s field in the dust with almost a 30 second lead. But the battle for second came within 0.027 seconds, with Paula Zibasa just barely earning her spot on the second step over third place Anna Newkirk. On the Junior Men’s side, Kye A’Hern took the win with just under a second on Thibaut Daprela, and Kade Edwards rounded out the top three coming in with a 2.69 second gap behind first.

Tahnee Seagrave came away with her first Fort William win, crushing the competition, gaining time at every split. She got the win ahead of Myriam Nicole by 8 seconds. The most impressive run of the day so far might have been Rachel Atherton, who snapped her chain only a few pedal strokes out of the gate. Not surprisingly, she still pulled off an impressive finish, coming in 3rd, and less than a second off 2nd place. Not to mention she crashed mid-run too.

Amaury got his first ever World Cup win, taking the top step by 0.27 seconds. Loris Vergier and Troy Brosnan round out the top three, with Reece Wilson coming in 4th after holding the top spot for much of the day. Aaron Gwin and Luca Shaw both suffered mechanicals. Snapped chains seemed to be a theme of the day. On to Leogang next weekend….

Live Updates:

7:36am: Pierron takes his first ever World Cup win!

7:34am: Luca Shaw finishing with a flat rear tire, securing a win for Pierron.

7:33am: Luca Shaw up by more than a second at split 1.

7:32am: Danny taking different lines, but they don't seem to help, as he crosses the line 3 seconds back in 6th place.

7:28am: Danny Hart and Luca Shaw left at the top.

7:28am: Loris pulling back some time and sneaking into 2nd by 0.1 seconds.

7:20am: Troy Brosnan in second, 0.3 seconds behind Amaury.

7:16am: Dakotah Norton snapping his chain right out the start gate.

7:14am: Pierron, unseating Reece Wilson for the top spot.

7:13am: Amaury Pierron on course and up by almost 2 seconds.

7:06am: Gwin crashes! Takes a massive digger, diving into the rocks. He's 3 seconds back after the 2nd split.

6:58am: Reece Wilson holding on to the top spot with 10 men left at the top.

6:46am: Bruni crosses the line in second, Reece Wilson still sitting in first.

6:43am: World Champ Loic Bruni is on course, and within a second of the lead at the splits.

6:26am: Finn Iles barely keeping it upright before the road gap.

6:21am: Gee starts off strong, up at the first split, but loses time and crosses the line in 5th.

5:13am: Tahnee gets her first Fort William win!

5:12am: Rachel takes a digger, but is seven seconds back chain-less at split 3.

5:11am: Rachel Atherton, the last woman on course loses her chain right out the start gate.

5:08am: Myriam Nicole goes down! Sliding out on a corner mid-way down the track.

5:05am: Guaranteeing her spot in the top 3, Tahnee finishes with a nearly 11 second advantage to take the top spot.

5:04am: Tahnee with a comfortable lead after the first three splits.

5:02am: Last year's winner Tracey Hannah comes in just under a second from Curd's time.

4:55am: Marine Cabirou with a consistent 3 second lead on Curd through all the splits, is now the time to beat.

4:47am: Katy Curd crosses the line with the fastest time of the day so far with a 6 second lead.

4:30am: Women are on course.

(*All time is Pacific Standard Time)

Elite Men

1st. PIERRON Amaury 4:34.452
2nd. VERGIER Loris 4:34.722 +0.27
3rd. BROSNAN Troy 4:34.763 +0.311
4th. WILSON Reece 4:35.775 +1.323
5th. BRUNI Loic 4:37.039 +1.323

Elite Women

1st. SEAGRAVE Tahnee 5:10.960
2nd. NICOLE Myriam 5:19.211 +8.251
3rd. ATHERTON Rachel 5:20.016 +9.056
4th. CABIROU Marine 5:21.782 +10.822
5th. HANNAH Tracey 5:22.744 +13.408

Elite Women

Elite Men

Junior Men

1st. A’HERN Kye 4:42.414
2nd. DAPRELA Thibaut 4:43.179 +0.765
3rd. EDWARDS Kade 4:45.073 +2.69
4th. EDMONDSON Jamie 4:48.037 +5.623
5th. MASIERO Giacomo 4:54.396 +11.982

Junior Women

1st. HOLL Valentina 5:21.694
2nd. ZIBASA Paula 5:50.896 +29.202
3rd. NEWKIRK Anna 5:50.923 +29.229
4th. MELVIN Kaytlin 6:41.041 +1:19.347
5th. JOHNSET Mille 7:02.893 +1:41.199

Junior Women

Junior Men


  • 1050 32
  • 24 6
 This should be upvoted to the top!
  • 10 8
 Top five definitely and top ten men’s with the highlights of everyone else thrown in.
  • 32 6
 They work so hard to get there and are pretty amazing to watch. Did someone at redbull seriously decide that it would be a good idea to NOT show this? who is that person???

I'm not drinking their stupid drink anymore.
  • 34 4
 Another thing where the EWS is killing it. They devote a good chunk of their coverage (almost half?) to the women. I want to see how Tahnee put 8 seconds on the field!
  • 59 1
 i think the problem is still the same old one, that a 5:30min run does not fit into 2:00 minutes (which are the start intervals).
if you consider that you need to see the rider a few seconds before they start and also a few seconds after they finish, you only have around 1:30 for the racerun.

you can try to count for yourself how long the event would last all in all if you have start intervals of 6min. even in fort william it would get dark by the time the last one's down.
  • 5 4
 This can't be upvoted enough.
  • 20 8
 You think redbull are making this up? people just dont watch it
  • 4 3
 @jpcars10s: Rachael’s chain snapped out the gate and she crashed! Pom Pom crashed also
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  • 5 11
flag enduro29erHack (Jun 3, 2018 at 12:20) (Below Threshold)
 You’re asking a lot from billionaires that have yet to figure out live streaming, live video, nnnnn such!?!
  • 13 4
 Get the farm tools and fires we got an angry mob here. F*%k Red Bull.
  • 3 5
 @dirtyE: They could increase the interval for the top 5 women to 4 minutes and you'd have the full race covered.
  • 13 0
 @acali: the intervals for the top 5 women is already 4 minutes. which still makes it impossible to show 5:20min run.
like i said before, it would be strange to only show the run the second they start and cut back to the top as soon as they cross the finish line.
long racetracks are simply not good for tv. and they never have been.
  • 4 4
 I wish I could upvote this more than once! Show the ladies!!
  • 19 1
 @ridestuff: maybe i just don't get it - but out of 16 ladies who started, there were 10 on the livestream, and out of 60 guys, 25 were shown. so in comparison it's a lot more ladies then men, or am i missing out on something?
  • 5 3

Think about how they do this for the mens. We see mens race runs concurrently while 2 men are on the track. All we're asking for is parity between men and womens coverage.
  • 9 2
 @piesforyou: the runs for the men are shown exactly the same as women (meaning not the whole run). i don't see your point.
  • 18 35
flag WAKIdesigns (Jun 3, 2018 at 13:23) (Below Threshold)
 I am long enough on this site to be granted the +100 props button and I’d give it to this one. A fkng disgrace. Also quite frankly I don’t give much sht about men outside top 20, so please Top 20 girls and top 20 men.
  • 1 1

Yes so there is no problem. Just show us more of the womens runs, as we see more of the mens runs.
  • 34 3
 @dirtyE: not to mention the logistical nightmares involved in getting enough cameras to cover the full track and extra costing involved.

From all the hate on here it sounds like redbull didn't show any of the women's runs, could of sworn i watched all the top 10 runs, with the top five getting the same coverage as the top men's runs.Plus Veronika's run, making that 11 out of 16 women shown on the feed, thats good coverage I'd say.

Personally I think Redbull are doing a grand job of bring all this to us for free
  • 28 1
 @WAKIdesigns: you're long enough on this site to not know there were 16 women racing. good luck watching those 20.
  • 5 0
 @piesforyou: i still don't know what you're trying to say.
we - do - not - see - more - of - the - mens - runs
  • 4 0
 Im sure they showed the same amount of on track action as the guys..... there is never going to be full runs shown, men or women, on long tracks, its impossible, unless you want the runs shown 1 hour after they were ran
  • 3 21
flag WAKIdesigns (Jun 3, 2018 at 14:02) (Below Threshold)
 @dirtyE: oh Jesus you know what I mean. Why were only 16 women racing? Whatever
  • 1 0
 Could it be that the riders are dropping in at intervals shorter than the race run? The start of the runs we see is always a replay. But yeah, more coverage of the women's DH would be cool.
  • 17 2
 @WAKIdesigns: the women get proportionally way more coverage than the men. and you'd have rather watched Tegan Molly (who was nearly a minute behind), than Laurie Greenland?
frankly it looks like all the time you have spent on this site didn't do much good for you.

btw this year they started to have qualies for women as well, that's the reason why not all 25 (!) women were allowed to go into the finals today, but only the top 16. which also is a lot more than the men. (60 out of 160).
  • 4 11
flag stevecous (Jun 3, 2018 at 14:37) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: Completely agree, i generally watch all the Women's and skip through most of the men's usually watch the top 20.
  • 6 1
 @stevecous: please tell me you're all just taking the piss out of me.
  • 4 1
 @dirtyE: Solid burn
  • 11 0
 Redbull is basically doing is all a solid, otherwise we’d be watching fan clips on YouTube 2 weeks later.
  • 1 0
 @sevensixtwo: or on free caster like we used to when Warner was fun.
  • 2 0
 @jpcars10s: so why didn't you watch the women live, or watch the replay during the men's pre-show?
  • 3 2
 Especially considering the gap until the men's start. There's plenty of time to show it all!!
  • 1 1
 Yep. Almost gave up watching, token gesture really. why dont we get to see the bulk of the course. Plenty of money in the sport now cameras and internet etc are much cheaper these days. If ya get a chance watch yesterdays AMA 450 motos, absolutely brilliant racing and coverage. time the mtb community demanded better. Id happily pay per view if we got to see good footage at a fair price.
  • 3 1
 Just to add I agree more of the women should be shown. For me though all the coverage is average at best. Delay and edit it if need be so we can watch full runs of at least the top 20 men and top 15 women. I'm sure the media can refrain from releasing results for a few hours until the TV broadcast is ready.
  • 1 0
 But do they?
  • 1 1
 Show the competitive men and women. If they’re not with a chance of winning the race or the overall don’t show them.
  • 1 4
 @WAKIdesigns: the women get way too much coverage on the EWS highlights seeing there’s only one decent rider in the women’s field.
  • 5 4
 Fu** the women's runs, I don't even want to see half the mens runs!
Maybe I'm on the wrong website ????
  • 3 0
 @GMULL1: You do realize the difference between a supercross track inside/outside a big city and a downhill track built into the side of a mountain, right?
  • 4 2
 Sorry but I don't care about women's dh racing. That Rachel Atherton can snap a chain, crash and then still come third is a good indicator of the level of competition. It's a one woman race and really really dull.
  • 1 0
 @Yahtzeee: Rachel, Myriam, Tahnee, Tracey... then the rest. I think it's entertaining though.
  • 3 0
 @nickgarrison: You found the trick. This is because the full course is not covered by cameras. In all DH broadcast, they never cover the full run down.

From a cost, cabling, numbers of cameras, etc. needed we would talk about crazy work and money investment. So broadcasters use about 12-15 cameras. The put one at the start to give you a shot of the rider leaving the gate that they tape. And then playback that tape piece a couple seconds before the same riders show up to their first camera. TV magic Smile The rest of the camera are placement from the finish line up.

Unfortunately sometimes pending on the location you don't get the best part of the coverage at the bottom. But eh, better than not seeing a live coverage and kudos to all the sponsors who invest more than a quarter million dollars per event to bring it to viewers for free.

I agree, W & M should get the same coverage.
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  • 120 1 If you guys don't want to look at the PDF Smile
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flag WAKIdesigns (Jun 3, 2018 at 13:24) (Below Threshold)
 Elliot You troll Big Grin
  • 75 0
 Martin Maes in the top 10 - Downhill and Enduro bro!
  • 12 0
 Martin Maes is A BEAST !! love that guy.
  • 2 0
 Where is the new GT Enduro bike? 'til now, no release yet?
  • 3 1
 Not too shabby for a flatlander - Maes is awesome to watch!
  • 2 0
 @celedonio: no info on either the new DH or Enduro, just lots of photos of prototypes. If I had to guess I would say a couple more months before we know anything.
  • 4 0
 Maes is Savage....and soooo humble....
  • 3 0
 So much respect for switching disciplines and come to this arena where everything is so at the limit... body adaptation, bike adaptation, suspension adaptation, and only 3s back... plus he was the one who did that table manualing far with more style. I think if the does not race DH is cause he would get bored of 1. the tracks 2. winning
  • 2 0

Maes was as a kid of 15 years in a RedBull Worldchampionship 4cross (he had a wildcard). The whole world top was there to compete...
Maes took the win that day..... insane huh?
  • 72 1
 Valentina should race on a hardtail to even out the field a bit.
  • 37 5
 She would've 18th amongst the That's incredible
  • 21 9
 @vhdh666: she would have been 5th ... 6th in the women's elite race ? thats pretty incredible too !!!
  • 9 18
flag kleinblake (Jun 3, 2018 at 5:22) (Below Threshold)
 @RedBurn: well they only take 20 junior men, so that 18th is pretty standard
  • 10 20
flag fecalmaster (Jun 3, 2018 at 6:17) (Below Threshold)
 Tell the racer's to hold please I have to take a massive dump.
  • 3 2
 @RedBurn: Ridiculous to have her not racing in the Elite Women! (I know, age restrictions)
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flag fecalmaster (Jun 3, 2018 at 8:09) (Below Threshold)
 20th after mega crash, and still first in points what a beast. Can't wait till be beats Minnaar's record this year.

How do bike chains get weaker over time?
  • 70 5
 Anyone stoked on Reece Wilson though? 4th as a privateer!!
  • 14 1
 @chair1films: "commencal 100" is a team... check them out on instagram and youtube Wink
  • 3 0
 @chair1films: Not a privateer much longer now!
  • 67 3
 I wish the director for the stream realised that there's more track than the motorway. We get to see all the riders on the most uneventful part!
  • 47 2
 Shouting "Go left!!!!" At all my riders, none of them did. Will swap out the entire roster for Leogang... These kids forget who pays them..
  • 5 0
 No right turn.
  • 42 2
 Wouldn’t be a RedBull broadcast with a technicial difficulty thrown in.
  • 16 0
 @BigballmcCall: Or 5...
  • 41 2
 Tahnee winning with a one-hander off the big jump, hell yeah!
  • 5 0
 Yeah that was cool. Next up - no hander Smile
  • 34 0
 Current point standings as of this race:

1. Gwin: 279 points
2. Loris: 275
3. Pierron: 273
4: Troy: 270
5. Blenky: 247
6. Luca: 232

Top four separated by 9 friggin points, and I'm betting on Luca to close that gap up again soon too. Bring on Leogang!
  • 1 0
 Was so bummed about Luca's run. The second Gwin crashed I thought that sucks, but it's Luca's day for sure!
  • 40 4
 Yeaaaah, 3 frenchies in top 5 !!! Congrats Amaury !
  • 23 2
 After the Americans impressed with 3 on the podium at Losinj, the young Frenchies just showed they can do it too! It'd be nice now if 3 of the Aussies could land on the podium at one of the next rounds haha
  • 3 0
 @brownies: Hopefully Jack Moir will be back! Troy still has it, just a matter of time. I do agree it is nice to mix things up and it's got to be great when you get a few compatriots on the podium with you.
  • 1 0
 AWESOME !!!!!Nice race,bad luck for the Americans today for shure! Bravo Amaury et Loris !!!!!!!!
  • 1 0
 @Cocorico: Yep, that's racing. Stoked to see Amaury take the win, and Loris has such a good attitude, always happy to see him in the top 5.
  • 25 0
 Yeah Kye! First year junior and first time at the Bill, this kid's got speed.
  • 21 1
 How many snapped chains do we need before someone tells the two S's to go back to 8 speed chains for downhill?
  • 3 0
 I hadn't thought of that,give the small blocks they use why not!
  • 7 1
 Just fit the new ebike chains . Nice and strong.
  • 3 1
 Right on, man - was gonna say the same, but you beat me to it. Damn skinny chains - interesting how Rob commented on how they didn't see many snapped chains in their day - probably snapped just about everything else back then tho! Big Grin Still running 8-speed myself across the board - DH, trail and city - although will soon (somewhat reluctantly) move to 10-speed for trail cos my ghetto-1x8 is just a PITA. Never snapped a chain in 22 years of riding.
  • 10 0
 I bet instead they would do a new hub standard that fits a wider cassette so they can run a thicker chain and not lose gears. Call it ultra boost 169
  • 2 1
 They’re made to fail. Bikes are faster without.
  • 6 1
 Respectfully (please don't take this wrong way, utmost respect for everyone), it's almost unheard of these days for pro roadies to snap a chain on modern 11spd, and some roadies are putting out more wattage. The issue isn't the chain design, it's damage/maintenance. Even if a DH mechanic fits a brand new chain on the morning of race day, the chain can still get damaged in morning practice run. Or even if they literally fit a chain right before sending the bike up the lift for final run, there's no break-in time.
  • 2 0
 sorry if im being ignorant but do not a lot of them still run 7 speed ? but is the chain lighter and more narrow than old skool 7 speed ?
  • 1 0
 @deertrackdoctor: Even Saint 7spd is still Hyperglide (HG), which is a 9spd+ design. Shimano never went back to IG (7/8spd) when they created Saint. On the Trek bike checks I've seen, they just run 10spd chain, regardless if it's 7spd or 10spd cassette.
  • 2 0
yes. x01DH is actually 11sp cut to 7, with narrow 11s chain
  • 2 1
 @Jamminator: No disrespect Smile in fact I pretty much agree with you. I gather the shear strength of the different speeds of chain is not too different and is more than capable for even the most powerful roadie. I just feel that the thin side plates and short pins of modern chains are less likely to withstand the abuse that MTBers can dish out, be it damage and maintenance like you said (and many of us don't change our chains often enough, haha!), or savage shifts and side loads under power - aka Dakotah sprinting out of the start hut today! My go-to 8-speed chains (Sram mostly and occasionally KMC X-series) have seen a number of impacts, and having run Gripshift for many of my biking years, some pretty brutal across-the-block shifts too - maybe that's why I've worn out so many mech pivots Razz (especially the old Sram ESPs - they were properly fragile!) but the chains keep coming back for more...
  • 6 2
 There is not a pro roadie in the world putting out 2500 watts on a sprint tho... just sayin.
  • 5 0
 @Jamminator: that is a valid point about damage. Road riders are putting out more power in a lot of cases perhaps, bit I think the peak torque of a Gaye start is much higher in track, bmx or downhill. Bmx and track are still using those thick chains. Mtb is using tiny chains and they snap pretty much every race out of the start gate. Track cyclists are still snapping those thick ones too... but they are part man, part bull
  • 1 0
 Is it possible the backpedaling in the gate plays a part? If the chain started to drop down a gear, and them wham, it gets hit with 1,500 watts, that might cause it to snap, no?
  • 1 0
 @bmbracing: details on the ghetto
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 @bmbracing: 'doh! I was trying to say, details on the ghetto 1x8? What size wheels do you run? I have an emerging fascination with "out of date" mountain bikes after getting my nephew on a used full suspension 26" bike that should last him 5+ years. Sourcing parts and bits was pure nostalgia and I loved it.
  • 1 0
 @LoganKM1982: Just a standard 8sp with 11-34 cassette and the 32T from my old triple, can't mount the front mech. No clutch, narrow-wide or big cassette, so at the moment the chain derails a lot and I can't climb steep hills! Big Grin A mate just gave me a 32T narrow-wide so that will go on soon, and then eventually a proper 10sp setup when I can afford it. Yeah both bikes are "out of date" Wink - 2008 S-Works Enduro and 2005 Foes Fly, both 26" naturally! Sourcing decent 8sp shifters can be a challenge now - never been a fan of Shimano shifters although I'll happily use their mechs, but snapped up some Sram X4 triggers for the Foes and they converted me away from the Gripshifts that I've been on pretty much all my life, haha!
  • 20 0
 Holy shit Valentina would've placed 4th in elite women!
  • 31 14
 Kade Edwards should be playing & whipping less and getting serious more often. Those 2 first year juniors are teaching him a big lesson
  • 40 7
 Maybe he enjoys playing and whipping
  • 17 1
 @el-nombre: yeah but when you are a racer you don't always do what you enjoy but what makes you fast
  • 5 1
 @el-nombre: he said in some interviews that he wants to win, and that he was pissed off after not winning in Losinj...that doesn´t make sense
  • 26 0
 maybe he's just good at doing whips and not winning dh races...
  • 10 4
 @dooganmcdoogan: it's been working for brendan fairclough.
  • 12 2
 @literally: not really but he gets in alot of videos at least.
  • 9 3
 @fecalmaster: @literally was being sarcastic man..... fairclough hasnt done well in god knows how long.
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flag fecalmaster (Jun 3, 2018 at 8:13) (Below Threshold)
 He still has the biggest chin in DH like Troy with the largest forehead bragging rights.
  • 6 2
 @fecalmaster: on what planet is top 20 results = not doing well...
  • 3 0
 @dudeism: Everyone is a winner!
  • 5 0
 @el-nombre: His GF did the winning this weekend. No worries.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Jun 3, 2018 at 13:33) (Below Threshold)
 I didn’t know Riding style Police is a thing... Pinkbike 100% satisfaction
  • 2 1
 @dudeism: when was the last time you saw him on the top step.........?
  • 3 0
 @andydhteam: lack of reading comprehension never surprises me anymore
  • 2 1
 @andydhteam: or any step. according to roots & rain, brendan hasn't been on the podium at a WC since 2010 and only 7 times in total in 91 races in 12 years in elite. now before everyone freaks out, he's an amazing rider and probably my favorite to watch ride when he's just riding and having fun - he's just not got whatever it takes to be a great racer and that's fine, not everyone can turn flat out skill into race results.
  • 1 0
 @literally: yep exactly my thoughts in no way am i saying his crap, his a good rider but not a racer. he just doesn't have wc speed and i dont think he will ever podium. The bar is too high these days and we have so many amazing racers.
  • 19 0
 Holling ass
  • 15 1
 I'm pretty upset by how much worse redbull player got. I opened up redbull tv to watch the whole race from the start and was greeted by the following things:

- a chat panel opened automatically and a post from redbull revealed the winner in it
- I couldn't scroll back in the vod anymore while its still live
- I can click individual runs to watch them, but it loads a new video then goes back to live once its done

So I cant watch the race, and its spoiled for me anyway - sick!
  • 3 7
flag FarmerJohn (Jun 3, 2018 at 8:10) (Below Threshold)
 UCI sucks! UCI needs to step it up and work with RedBull to assure tech difficulties don’t happen- would never happen in Le TourDF
  • 1 0
 update: if you want to be able to navigate the replay normally, you have to use the dutch commentary version
  • 7 1
 @FarmerJohn: Not sure how the UCI (or RedBull) is supposed to insure that no tech issues occur. If you have never seen a tech issue in the TdF, then you must not watch it much - of course, they also have a ton more cameras and a huge budget. Lose contact with one of the road cameras, just switch to another - doesn't work like that in DH.
  • 4 1
 Red Bull media player is like having dial up internet. I know its free, so I want my free time back.
  • 1 0
 The trick i think is not to use the shortcuts to go back to the start. Instead just 'seek' back to the start. But agree, revealing the winner is abysmal.
  • 3 2
Just stop watching then, that way you won't waste any of your "free time" watching FREE COVERAGE of UCI mtn biking.
  • 3 0
 My live feed was good
  • 1 0
 It worked fine on a beat old iPhone with the RedbullTV app.
  • 16 0
 Fuckin' hell Rachel what a run!
  • 12 0
 @Rusettipasta: Chainless out the gate, and then a spill. Too bad. She was absolutely on it today!
  • 1 0
 so what do you think would have happened if she didnt have that crash? she is a boss!
  • 2 0
 @russthedog: +10 seconds
  • 1 0
 Queen of the rodeo for sure, 1st place or not.
  • 1 0
 She's on my team for next time. Thank you Tahnee, but Rachel is going to be a snarling tiger next round.
  • 16 1
 Luka Shaw first split!!! holy spokes !! future world champ no doubt
  • 5 0
 Luca Shaw was a second up at first split, and Luca was better on mid/bottom flat tires did some damage this weekend (Dean lucas and Luca).
  • 4 8
flag mollow (Jun 3, 2018 at 10:46) (Below Threshold)
 @troyleedesigns: good old Enve's
  • 3 0
 He seemed to be the smoothest rider on that track so the kid will get a win eventually.
  • 3 0
 @mollow: luca isnt on enve, yeah deano is tho
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flag WAKIdesigns (Jun 3, 2018 at 13:34) (Below Threshold)
 @troyleedesigns: he missed your Selle Italia SLR saddle. Bring it back
  • 17 2
 All that motorway almost made me fall asleep.
  • 14 1
 Martin A-Maes-Ing!!!! Top 10 finish and not even a DH racer
  • 2 1
 Used to be a DH racer (juniors?). Still amazing though!
  • 13 0
 If Troy Brosnan's pants get any tighter he might as well be in lycra
  • 12 1
 Red Bull always seems to have a problem with the men
  • 1 15
flag Boardlife69 (Jun 3, 2018 at 12:48) (Below Threshold)
 Hey, its their choice to be gay so please dont discrimihate against gay ass red bull.
  • 9 1
 Well looks like reece wont be a privateer next year.. garunteed he will have eyes on him now, what a race!!
  • 5 0
 Hes not a privateer now, the Commencal/100% team is a trade team
  • 5 0
 I think he is not, actually. If I'm not mistaken he rides for commencal/100% team
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 @ORTOGONAL555: yeh just realised this haha
  • 8 1
 I must be bad luck. Had Gwin, Luca Shaw, Dakota Norton and Danny Hart in my fantasy league.
  • 3 0
 Most if my team had mechanicals too
  • 3 0
 Same here
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 Same. I'm sticking with them though, going for the overall points.
  • 6 0
 How Martin Maes did that? This kid seems got all the technique and power to get better from time to time. Hope he’s free from injury for manu upcoming years to come.
  • 3 0
 I think if all the pillow biters bitch about Red Bull enough the next thing they will be bitching about is Red Bull saying the hell with ungrateful mountain bikers and pulling coverage completely. ITS FREE. Watch the rerun if you hate the problems with the live feed.
  • 6 0
 Anyone else getting nothing on the red bull player?
  • 3 0
 I get this circle thing that keeps going round and round like a dog chasing its tail. More circle jerking than racing.
  • 6 1
 Gwin, Shaw, Nortan, Mullaly. Hoped for all these guys to be the top 15. Guess every race isn’t Croatia.
  • 5 0
 Tahneee!!!! Yeah Girl !!!!!
  • 8 4
 I feel bad for Reece Wilson barely missing out on the podium, he had one sick run!!
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 World cup podium includes 4th and 5th
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 @ORTOGONAL555: fair enough, i meant podium in a more classic way Razz
  • 4 0
 Loved Pierron`s run, it was always pushing the edge!!!! It was all or nothing!!! well done!!!
  • 4 0
 2,5% of finalists in this race snapped a chain out of the gate. Hmmm.. Good to see Pierron on the top tho!
  • 6 1
 COCORICO!! Woaw as a frenchmen, that feels gooood!
  • 4 0
 As they said in the broadcast " generation change is happening " and it is happening right now !!!!
  • 5 0
 Only a matter of time until Loris climbs to that top step.
  • 5 0
 Yeah Vali!
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 29ers are pretty good!
  • 3 0
 How did Gwin not get injured on that crash? Hopefully he's not broken some place!
  • 3 0
 She lost 3sec compared to her qualifying run. But still massive speed!
  • 1 0
 That’s because the conditions were a lot better in qualifying
  • 3 0
 Love that the redbull stream is in 30 min and i cant see vallis run
  • 3 0
 super glad for Holl and Zibasa, good job!
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 Anyone else get the impression Rachel said a bit more than she should've about the suspension working better without a chain?
Funny all this chain snapping business, first thing Gwin said said to Troy after his chainless win was: "The suspension works good without no chain", check it out for yourselves:

Maybe they should start designing World Cup DH bikes that work properly instead of focusing on how many they can sell, (isn't that why Enduro was invented?) maybe then we would see an end to all these chain snapping 'accidents'.
  • 6 2
 I'm all for specialized equipment when it comes to high end racing applications but with some of the current venues you are definitely at a disadvantage without a drivetrain... More gnar and no chains sounds like a winning combination to me!
  • 7 1
 The chain will always have an impact on how the suspension works, make it feel plusher. Canyon had a prototype, where they can disconnect the drivetrain from the suspension
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 Did she say the bike worked better with no chain? She said more plush no better I think?
I think someone like Rachel will have tweaked with her bike until it feels perfect with a chain. So the lack of a chain meant her bike wasn't acting how she was used to it acting and that's why she crashed.
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 Get a gearbox bike and you will feel that same fully active suspension. No clutch or increased unsprung weight to impair suspension performance ????
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Interesting ! where did u get that info ??
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 Well, Commencal won today, and they use an idler pulley to help isolate some of the chain forces. The ideal anti-squat curve for me is high around sag and then drop off quickly to avoid pedal kickback, which IMO is another reason manufacturers should include suspension kinematic charts next to the geometry tab on their websites.
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Not if it's designed correctly.

Suspension function should take priority over conforming to a conventional chain layout just to not scare off naive punters from buying them. Every manufacturer on the WC circuit currently does this, meaning every single bike out there is either totally flawed or seriously hindered by the chain.
This is a ridiculous situation. Canyons solution was neat but is still a plaster over a gaping wound, as is Commencals current attempt. As commendable as it is to see them going in the right direction pivot point wise and braving the braindead idler backlash, it's still not high enough, and whilst the idler does effectively stop pedaling forces affecting the suspension, the lack of a lower roller bringing the chain up as well means the swingarm is still tethered to the bottom bracket, making the rear mech part of the suspension, which it isn't very good at... Ridiculous, we need a new prototype era...
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 @dthomp325: All that pissing around with 'kinematics' just because the chain is in the wrong place. Laughable.
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 Didn't Rachel say exactly the opposite? I understand she said "without the chain the suspension bottomed out and that's why I crashed?"
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 @Globu: Yes..
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 @dthomp325: that is so true-yet only a few bikes have antisquat curves like that. The old polygon the v10 the mondraker and the pivot. I would like to see it also in enduro but a lot of bikes are designed with constant antisquat throughout the travel - total bull in my opinion.
  • 2 0
 Rach actually said the suspension blew through travel easier with no chain causing the crash!
  • 2 0
 @macimecdufour: spot on mate. At least someone else understood what she actually said. Without the chain the suspension was too soft causing the crash. Think she’d have one without the crash too
  • 1 0
 Canyon made a tech demonstrator that allows you to de-couple the drive-train with a switch.
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 @dthomp325: Definitely. There's the one guy that has a blog analyzing suspension but he says himself it's based on his measurements and might not be precise. I would love to know force required to bottom out, leverage ratios through the rear travel, geo changes through the travel, and all the standard anti rise and anti squat, etc. numbers.
  • 2 0
Thank u!!
  • 2 0
 Looks like Aaron Gwin is in for a close fight for the overall this year, even if he wins in Leogang.
  • 3 0
 What the heck happened with Elite Men's? RIP my fantasy team... Frown lol
  • 3 0
 Vali Höll!!!!! Check her time!!! Respect!
  • 1 0
 Amaury Pierron is using the same biomechanic technique aaron gwin was using in 2012, he is either going to win the overall this year or a couple races
  • 2 0
 Why don't they have a camera in the new section?
  • 2 0
 Ah, never mind. They weren't showing it for the earlier riders.
  • 2 0
 They did in the women’s race
  • 4 0
 I don't understand why there was nothing after the pinball to the new section. Over 1 minute of open section and no camera footage.
  • 2 0
 Tough day for the Americans. Congrats to perron.
  • 4 2
 Men's 1st and 4th on alloy! #metalswinmedals
  • 1 1
 Changed my roster before qualifying and it reverted back to the roster I had for Losinj. Would have had Tahnee instead of Miranda and Blenkinsop instead of Iles. Lame
  • 1 0
 someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is the first win on a high pivot bike!
  • 2 0
 Isn't Myriam Nicole on the same bike?
  • 2 0
 Its great to see new names at the top of the podium.
  • 4 0
 Not when I'm trying to predict the winners to win stuff... Wink
  • 2 0
 Two snapped SRAM chains.... And a failed formula cura 4
  • 1 0
 Who is this Reece Wilson? Is he out of his mind delighted right now? He is right?
  • 2 0
 I just want to say that Gwin is an animal.
  • 1 0
 Thank you for the FREE coverage RedBull. Just curious why there was no footage higher up the course in the gnarly stuff?
  • 2 0
 Yes Tahnee. Smashed it!
  • 1 0
 Any word on Gwin? Didn't watch... did he finish the run?
  • 5 0
 @ssteve: He went OTB hard! Surprised he got right back up and carried on to finish top 20. Pretty impressive run considering. Hopefully he wasn't injured and can keep his pace because it looks like this year will be a tight one
  • 1 0
 The article said Gwin suffered a mechanical. Ummm, no, he suffered a nasty OTB. Glad he is OK - or at least appears to be. Go get 4th in a row at Leogang!
  • 1 0
 I hope redbull will cover the juniors as well
  • 5 0
 Hope dies last.
  • 1 1
 The bottom two were the only ones to go sub 1 minute in the first section (Suarez and Shaw). Some trickery here?
  • 2 0
  • 1 0
 French army !! Best world cup ever
  • 2 1
 Can someone explain to my why Miranda Miller has a full factory ride?
  • 2 1
 Gutted for Rach Frown
  • 10 0
 Cleaning fish?
  • 1 0
 Great Race
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 Not cool @redburn
  • 2 0
 Gwins run doesn't start until 3pm (BST), so him and most others haven't started their run yet.
  • 5 8
 Single pivot haters, please call back, I can’t hear you!!
  • 6 1
 please elaborate. They woudnt put this idler pulley if the single pivot design were not super sensitive to chain growth problem. Also, there is a difference between orange-like shitty single pivot design and commencal's...
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 @zede: for years there has been the pinkbike science and physics on how single pivot doesn't work and how its inefficient with riders mentioning brake jack, (not brake squat) for problems for the everyday rider (who is actually riding on a link activated single pivot design). Does this actually make it inefficient? I'm unsure , however, looking at the results from our friends from Andorra you do question it, yes riders help etc and idlers and shock technologies, but ultimately , sorted geo with a good design and suspension platform will always come through
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