Video: $180 vs. $2400 Drivetrain - Budget vs. Baller Episode 6

Dec 6, 2021 at 15:07
by Pinkbike Originals  


Mountain bike drivetrains have arguably seen the most amount of change over the last ten years compared to any other component. However, does more money equal more better? We're going to find out with Henry's $180 8-speed option against Jason's $2400 12speed, electronic option.






199 Comments

  • 263 5
 Donut media never made the trucks worse, if you go back and watch the Tacoma Hi-Lo episodes, low truck never got worse after the upgrades. Henry's bike is much worse than when it showed up.
  • 50 50
 $100 is a lot of money to some people ,
  • 12 1
 Watch the original Z one, that one got pretty bad.
  • 24 6
 @Compositepro: In that case they wouldn't buy a full suspension bike anyway
  • 38 38
 @Noeserd: people work hard to save money for what they can afford having some f*cker saying its only a hundred bucks, migh be to some might not be to others
  • 61 15
 @Compositepro: Not to say $100 is nothing but if someone can’t afford $100 for something bike related they picked the wrong sport
  • 18 31
flag Compositepro (Jan 18, 2022 at 10:02) (Below Threshold)
 @nkamloooops: being honest i care neither way im just supporting poor people today tomorrow i might be in the mood to support the rich people again but as i sit here quaffing my cup of tea im thinking by friday i might be trying to save some trees
  • 48 10
 @nkamloooops: That doesn't sound pretentious at all /s

Just because someone can't afford to be on the latest and greatest does not mean "they picked the wrong sport". Maybe you picked the wrong sport if you think the key to it is spending money.

The problem with this series is that it promotes said $100 being used to replace rather than repair. $100 can go a long way if you know where to spend it.
  • 29 2
 @Compositepro: I would argue a $100 drivetrain is not saving money bc its such crap, you'll be replacing it soon anyways. I'm all for the poor person value approach as well. Find a lightly used 11 speed Sram or Shimano and replace parts that need replacing. Incredible value and will last years. no nonsense
  • 19 3
 @Compositepro: an entry level fork costs nearly 2 months of wage to me, I had a cool bike i bought when the economy was in good shape, but i sold it because i can't live with the fear of breaking something and afford the running costs without compromising anymore, a brake pad costs 1.5 work day for me. if you can't afford the running costs you shouldn't get in to this sport.
  • 27 4
 @bubbaburger911: It's not pretentious. You have to realize that certain things not only cost money to get into, but also cost money to maintain. Unfortunately, mountain biking is not a wallet-friendly sport. Tires, drivetrain components, wheels, suspension are all costly and $100 does not get you very far.

It's the same thing for people that buy highly-depreciated BMWs and Mercedes: just because you found one at a massive discount doesn't mean you've beaten the game, you still have to contend with the hilariously-expensive repair costs that exist. If you cannot afford that, unfortunately it's not the car for you. It's not about being haughty or making it out to be more impressive than it is, it's just acknowledging that certain things are expensive and are not affordable to all.
  • 5 1
 @dairydolores: i agree with you but don't tell anyone over on the dentist shock review people are lining up to buy 1200 euro shocks however so im going to go all fiddy now and get rich or die trying
  • 5 0
 @bubbaburger911: im with this guy ill wager a kid on a used bike ripping it up is still having as much fun down dentistville showing people how to ride
  • 10 4
 Next season of this it would be cool to do high-end vs uber high-end. Think one bike gets code rsc brakes and fox factory. The other gets trickstuff and intend/ext/or push. See if the ultra highend is worth the price or is diminishing returns
  • 8 0
 @brycepiwek: would you mind if I spoilered it already?
  • 12 1
 This series is odd…who in their right mind would purposely spend money on down grades
  • 5 4
 @Noeserd: I hate myself for saying this, but as a shop nerd I have to. What brake pads are you running that cost you so much? Even the prince pads for carbon rim brakes $55(ish), sorry for the road reference in mtb land. The most expensive shimano, sram etc pad is roughly $35?

Or I could be 1000% ignorant to life/costs in Turkey. If that’s the case I apologize whole heartedly. I’m hoping that’s the case or you’re getting ripped off for brake pads
  • 3 0
 Henry’s bike is the 2-wheeled equivalent of a decent truck with cheap fake bead lock wheels from discount tire and a body lift… looks worse, performs way worse….
  • 6 0
 @Noeserd: wow, thanks for that perspective. Can I ship you my gently used parts in a reasonably way?
  • 2 0
 Consider it like this - they both bought used frames, and are building them up, one cheap, one baller. They only have to start with a full bike so that they can work though 1 component at a time to make a video series with some riding in.
  • 2 0
 @Hardtailhooligan: standart magura pads, 17€ a piece.
  • 2 0
 @brycepiwek: We know the answer to that question. The only return for ultra highend for the average rider is the boost it gives your ego. The return on that investment depends on the person.
  • 1 0
 @Compositepro: If you only got 100$ you probrably shouldn't have gotten a full sus and shouldn't be considering upgrading
  • 2 0
 @Daweiknowdaway: If I only got 100 bucks - I am going all in on a good rear tire, chain lube, and upgrade my IPA selection for post ride.
  • 2 0
 @Daweiknowdaway: Maybe they should do a test we have a kid 100 bucks to buy a bike , and then get some c*ntish pinkbike readers in for a race , see who wins
  • 1 0
 @hector15215: I should have specified I meant 100$ is not enough for a full drivetrain upgrade. A cassette, maybe but mot the full drivetrain
  • 1 0
 @Compositepro: you kiss your mama with that mouth?
  • 1 0
 @Daweiknowdaway: I got that off a hambini video I knew the shock value would come in handy
  • 2 0
 @Compositepro: I'm 100% certain that I'd lose.
  • 1 1
 @bubbaburger911: wasn’t trying to be pretentious and didn’t mean that you have to have the latest and greatest tech to have fun on your bike. Just meant that shit happens and every once and a while you gotta spend some money to fix your bike.
  • 2 0
 @Bitelio: don’t worry mate as one of life’s losers im with you
  • 1 0
 @Daweiknowdaway: not in the past 5 years that she’s been dead ,
  • 56 0
 At leas with this one they went with a competent well known brand. Microshift actually works great, but is just heavier than other brands.
  • 28 1
 But that crank looks shady af
  • 26 0
 @Noeserd: Crank is definetely shady. Microshift is actually a good "ballin' on a budget" drivetrain.
  • 14 0
 I’ve got Advent 9sp on my one camping/commuter bike and it’s been really good. I have about 3000k on it and it really hasn’t missed a beat. I went with the bar top thumby and it’s been really crisp. The cogset is pretty heavy but that’s my only complaint if I had one. On the bright side I spent less for the shifter, derailleur and cogset than the cost of an XT 11sp cogset.
  • 50 0
 @Ajorda: $95 for a generic chinese brand crank w/chainring and fake "XT" branding is outrageous. You can buy an actual Deore crankset with chainring for $95 this moment at Jensen. Why buy knockoff garbage when you can actual shimano branded components for the same price?
www.jensonusa.com/Shimano-Deore-FC-M6100-1-12-Speed-Crankset
  • 2 0
 @skyroach: According to that link, not in stock. So you cannot buy it at this moment. I agree though, an SX or NX crankset can be found www.jensonusa.com/SRAM-NX-Eagle-Dub-Crankset for only slightly more.
  • 6 8
 @skyroach: THEY"RE NOT BUYING ANY OF THE CHEAP OPTIONS.... pinkbike gets stuff sent by manufacturers, distributors, brands, etc for free to test and hopefully appear in a review article... and this is where all the stuff on Henry's bike has come from. Things sitting around that nobody else wanted to review.
  • 1 0
 @skyroach: i was gonna say that or cheap truvativ cranks
  • 13 0
 @deeeight: Did they actually state that, about the origin of the janky parts? I was pretty sure they ordered the fork from Ali Express (probably cranks too). I mean, what brand would send PB a set of counterfeit XT cranks??
  • 3 0
 @mammal: I would think the budget parts were actually bought. The fancy stuff is probably sponsored...or just taken off other bikes in their fleet...or just taken from their parts bin.
  • 2 0
 @abtcup: That's what I would assume too, but since deeeight stated it multiple times in these comments, I was wondering if they'd mentioned that somewhere (like their crap PB podcasts or something).
  • 2 0
 @skyroach: because it says xt on it !
  • 4 0
 Their 10 speed top end 11-48t cassette is lighter than Shimano XT and Sram GX comparable 11 Spd cassettes.
  • 6 0
 It seemed a bit funny that they didn't mention the Microshift name (that I heard anyway) or give any good shots of the shifter. Also, and maybe it was an availability thing, but Microshift does make a 12-46t cassette in the same series instead of the 12-42 they used.
  • 3 1
 @mammal: YOU'D be surprised the things that brands send to be reviewed. You see those parts showing up in sponsored review ads on youtube all the time among the cycling "influencers" in other countries. Also Berm peak is known to do review videos of all the goofy products he gets sent that he'd never actually use himself.

Also they're not in any way counterfeit XT cranks nor are they trying to be. XT as a model name isn't new to the world and Shimano actually didn't do it first for cycling and while they have a trademark on Deore XT, there's no trademark on just "XT" alone. The whole external bearing BB & crankset market sprang up as a result of a patent held by Bullseye USA expiring more than a decade ago. Pretty much every maker attaches one side of the axle permanently to the left or right crankarm, and a split left arm with pinch bolts to secure the crank to the splined axle end is the most common method of assembling them.

Pinkbike has previously done full reviews of the Microshift Advent and Advent X drivetrains and they mentioned the Acolyte drivetrain in a summary article of drivetrain options from other brands only 3 months ago, so it stands to reason they'd already been sent one to test. If Henry were actually using the magazine expense account to order parts, he wouldn't have had to try and cram a boost spacing rear wheel into his frame, nor ordered blue handlebars and stem for the black and neon yellow colored bike he didn't pay for either (Giant gifted the "used" bikes to the magazine for the video series...they're former fleet rental/demo fleet bikes).
  • 2 0
 @deeeight: my point with the “xt” branded was really that $95 for the cheapo alibaba special is absurdly overpriced. Seth on berm peak has done some MTB flips with these cheap parts and payed something like $40 for a comparable crankset.
  • 2 0
 @skyroach: for that price, you have a more decent CNC 7075 machined 1X crankset from Bdsnail: www.aliexpress.com/item/33006431979.html
  • 1 0
 @skyroach: So you haven't noticed that the headlines for the articles keep referring to prices contradictory to what they're saying on the video ? Whoever writes the article seems to be going off MSRP prices while Jason and Henry are saying things taken from an entirely different script.
  • 1 0
 @deeeight: My quick back of the envelope calcs & amazon search appear to add up to the $180 claimed for Henry's drivetrain, excluding the $10 chain. Close enough for me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
$95 crankset
$19 shifter
$31 Derailluer
$35 Cassette
$10 Chain
  • 50 7
 Didnt even bother to watch this episode, such a poor concept. Motocross action used to let various editors and writers purchase used bikes and fix them up as they each saw fit . Then each bike was compared and tested, with a breakdown on purchase price, cost of upgrades and performance. I found these articles much more interesting and informative.Also much more applicable to the average rider.
  • 2 0
 Now they seem to just do the “buy cheap 90s/early 2000s bike and throw 9k in crazy aftermarket bling and parts.”
  • 4 1
 I agree, but I'll still watch because I find Jason and Henry entertaining. The elephant in the room is that neither took the only sensible course of action. That is, to spend about $1,000 on a fork and shock service, brake bleeds, new pads, new cables, new (decent) tyres, frame bearings, etc. and then stop.

An unlimited budget vs. 'buy shitter parts rather than repair/service what you have' doesn't actually tell us anything.
  • 42 2
 Ima be honest, the new deore groupset is so good that unless you are trying to bling out you should just get that. Plus drivetrains get beat up the most out of any part on the bike.
  • 3 1
 But I may try axs once it gets cheaper and better.
  • 10 1
 deore 11sp with Sunshine cassette 11-50T on Ali for 200$ is unbeatable for bang for your buck
  • 5 0
 Advent X is honestly a really great drivetrain too, comparable in price and range. My only complaint is the throw of the shifter is a bit long.
  • 9 0
 @Elgaucher: time machine to 2017, buy 11sp XT from Chain Reaction... $150 for cassette, shifter, mech.... I should have bought all of them.
  • 2 0
 @BikesNRussets: What about AXS needs to get better for you?
  • 2 5
 @warmerdamj: Shifts aren’t as fast as cable, it is expensive, replacements aren’t as common because it’s new, and I’m not 100% on having batteries on a non e-bike. But the most important thing is definitely that my deore groupset is just fine.
  • 6 4
 @BikesNRussets: Shifts are definitely faster and more exact than mechanical and having smashed my AXS XPLR derailleur last week and getting one here within days says otherwise about your parts theory. Everybody rides mechanical and that's where the shortage is.

There is absolutely no way that mech is faster or crisper, you are just hating on the future.
  • 3 2
 @warmerdamj: You act like I won’t ever buy a set (I will very soon), not something i need now. Mechs work fine, and I kill drivetrains yearly. Do you not know how to set up a mech properly though?
  • 2 1
 @BikesNRussets: Yes I know how to set up a mechanical drivetrain. It doesn't matter how well you set it up, electronic shifting will destroy it every time because its perfect every time. A mechanical system is perfect for one shift, every shift after moves you closer to needing some sort of adjustment whether it takes a month or a year. Every speck of dirt/dust, hint of moisture and pull on that cable takes its toll, you just cant see it happening in the short term. It's just a fact.

I charge my drivetrain batteries a few times a year and have never had to do single adjustment to my di2 systems including after initial install and Ive had them both for at least 5 years and both have been on multiple bikes. No adjustment needed between bikes/cassettes either. You simply install it and it works. I cant even begin to count all the shit I've had to do to my mechanical drivetrains over that period of time.
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 @warmerdamj: Well, I ride very hard and my bike takes most of it (my collarbone takes the rest). So I can’t be burning my racing fund on countless broken axs parts, the rocks at bootleg don’t really like drivetrains hahahaha.
  • 1 1
 @warmerdamj: Once it’s cheap and efficient I will buy it over anything with a cable. It’s just a better system, I can’t really deny that (but it needs work).
  • 1 5
flag tprojosh (Jan 18, 2022 at 18:27) (Below Threshold)
 @warmerdamj: @warmerdamj: a directly connected cable will always act faster than a servo receiving a signal and engaging the servo.
  • 4 0
 @tprojosh: A direct cable is faster at getting your derailleur approximately where it needs to be so it can make a bunch of grinding noises as you feather your shifter to get it where it actually needs to be and start to think about using your barrel adjuster when you get home but its not actually faster at shifting.

I have 3 different electric drivetrains and 3 different mechanical ones, I know exactly how they all work and which ones work better. Shimano and SCAM didn't put these out because they are worse, they put them out because they are better. It's not a marketing ploy or a cash grab, it's simply innovation and improvement, you guys are living in the past if you can't see that a finely tuned electric motor moves things better and more exact then pulling them with a 3 foot cable attached to a plastic pulley system.
  • 2 4
 @warmerdamj: what needs to get better, for me:

Unsprung weight comparable to mechanical

Cost to upgrade to gx axs is still around triple the price of standard gx (600 vs 178 on jenson, including shifter). For the price of just the battery, i can have an X01 derailleur, and save even more unsprung weight over gx axs.

Battery life: on a non eMTB, it needs to get enough charge for a 4 hour ride in a 15 minute drive to the trailhead. Maybe it already does, i dunno. This is enough that i never have to remember to charge at home.

I’m sure the shifting is great, but if you have $600 to spend on an upgrade, i think most people will get more improvement elsewhere.
  • 2 1
 @CaptainBLT: Battery life is probably the biggest reason now that I think about it.

And I see so many people with 150$ sr suntour forks who just upgrade drivetrain stuff, that’s a BIG problem the marketing is just too good.
  • 3 0
 @CaptainBLT: The batteries get enough charge for months of riding, I charge mine a few times a year.
  • 3 1
 @BikesNRussets: battery on AXS? I’ve been getting close to 300 miles per charge. I really can’t complain about that.
  • 2 3
 @Hayek: That’s the exact opposite of what I’ve heard from all the people i know who run axs.
  • 1 0
 @deez-nucks: I definitely did this and somewhat stocked up. Planned for Brexit, but getting through the pandemic parts shortage for now.......
  • 3 0
 @warmerdamj: a german mtb site has been testing a variety of drivetrains and measuring actuation forces and shifting speed, and they're basically all very close to each other. no matter if you run deore, xtr, sx or xx1 axs. although the entire article is in german, the graphs are quite self explanatory. google: "mtb news schaltungsvergleich"
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 @warmerdamj: Someone sold you a scam sir because there is no shifting difference between axs and a good derailleur, but I know how you are with your battery electronics, and you can shove that expensive derailleur up the same place Wink
  • 2 0
 @tprojosh: Yeah you're probably right, thanks for finally helping me understand by telling me to shove it up my ass. I don't think you really know much about it and it's clear you've never used it or you would be talking about that. Nothing like taking advice about something from from somebody who has no experience with it. Downtube shifters 4 life.
  • 2 0
 @BikesNRussets: what’s the opposite of 300?
  • 2 0
 @Hayek: I believe it's 003, which is coincidently the same amount of chainrings these guys run on their cranks as they argue against modern, perfect shifting.
  • 1 0
 @Hayek: Can’t really judge by mile because some rides you shift a ton and some you don’t. But I’ve heard it only lasts about 30 miles, sometimes more sometimes less.
  • 1 1
 I thought the same thing until a deore m6100 snapped on my 2nd ride. Shifting was noticably worse than an SLX and XT I have as well (XT shifter used on all 3). I'm not sure what caused the worse performance though as they all seem similar. A couple things I've noticed is a rubber bumper on the SLX/XT mech that keep it quieter on the frame, the return spring on the body of the XT seems much stiffer, and while the clutch is teh same, I think the shipped tension is quite a bit different.
  • 1 0
 @BikesNRussets: There are 5 bikes in my group that run AXS and we’re all getting close to 300 miles or 25-30 hours of ride. These aren’t winch and descend rides either. These are all XC/DC bikes that shift a lot.
  • 1 0
 @BikesNRussets: To be fair with people questioning battery life, Sram does have an ad on PB for GX AXS that simply reads "all day- effortlessly connected". That does make it seem like they are gloating about getting one day out of the battery.
  • 36 0
 Decided to skip the article and just being a d!@k about it: #repairnotreplace
  • 4 2
 repair in MTB is usually good for about 5 - 6 years since release. After that you better throw that shit in the garbage cuz you are not finding parts
  • 4 0
 @valrock: What parts are you talking about? I honestly can't think of a single component that you can't get spares for 5 to 6 years after release, except maybe that it may have been hard to find an axle in 2010 for a 2004 Shimano Saint rear mech or a hub in 2011 for a 2005 Shimano Hone rear mech. But other than that? Heck, more than a few components are going strong unchanged well after 6 years after their release.
  • 3 1
 @vinay: pretty much any fork made by FOX or Marzo
  • 2 0
 @valrock: They could learn something from DVO, I can still buy a decade old fork from them. I own that fork and it rides better than a lot of modern forks.
  • 3 0
 @BikesNRussets: fair point. But I think you shouldn't need to resort to "still better than a lot of other forks". World would be a better place if we said less of such things. Good enough for you is good enough.

It's a general comment, not directed solely at you. I mean Longevity should be praised over minimal performance gains, most of which is first world pedantry having virtually no reflection in persons enjoyment of the ride or race performance. I do have memoeries of getting ahead of somebody or riding behind them feeling "damn I wish I had this and that X thing on my bike" but they are nothing compared to the overall enjoyment of the experience of ridign a bike in nature with friends. What I do remember vividly though is mechanical failures in the middle of a fantastic ride, or money I had to spend on broken parts that shouldn't have failed or became obsolete.
  • 1 0
 @calmWAKI: I agree, I very much love my fox 38 on my enduro it rides so well on the big stuff but is still snappy enough to ride trail and have fun. But on that last part, I killed my dhx2 a few weeks ago and it was under warranty but the wait for replacement was until March. So I payed out of pocket to get it fixed, heck until the mechanic I gave it too sees it I’m not sure if I will have to outright replace my shock. No fun.
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 @valrock: Within the past year I have purchased replacement internal componetns for a 2009 Fox 36 and a 2014 Marzocchi DH fork. Admittedly though, they were purchased through a 3rd party and not manufactured anymore....luck of the draw if you can find what you need still in stock somewhere.
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 @BikesNRussets: I was supposed to get a 38. Love this fork. Didn’t know DHx2 are unreliable thought it’s just X2.

Stayed with Lyrik - cheaper in maintenance, simplier and better service parts availability over here. As to rear shock I went for Öhlins TTX. Solid shock and good part availability. I resigned from buying Transition Spire/ Patrol because it comes only with X2 as a frameset and furthermore has Trunnion. It was a deal breaker.
  • 1 0
 @maestroman21: I have to shop in Germany for my Marzo Bomber 888 from 2011. NA market doesn't have stuff available. There is guy in Berlin who sells parts... super expensive but looks like he is the only one that has some sort of store etc... the rest is just strike of luck on PB buy and sell or eBay. It is a shame because Bomber 888 is an amazing fork. I just got mine rebuild and snapped retaining nut... paid 75 CAD with shipping just for one nut. I might put it together and just sell here because shopping for parts is nightmare.
  • 1 0
 Actually for most of the stuff I buy, durability is a top priority. This includes both whether it is something I can service myself and also whether I can get spares. My fork (Magura TSCool is fairly simple to service. It also implies I might lock myself into a certain brand because I already have the spares and tools. My first disc brake was a Magura Julie from 2002 and except for a Saint 2004 brake (basically XT with a different paint job at the time) I've been riding Magura brakes exclusively. Also of the reasons I stick with Shimano 10sp drivetrain (Zee rear mech). Every time I replace the chain, I check which sprocket skips and only replace that one. The smallest ones can be had for between 3 and 6 euros. Having to replace a complete block because only one or two sprockets are worn seems like a waste.
  • 34 2
 make it Deore 12 speed. and watch Sram eat a dick.
  • 2 0
 heck. Even deore 11s 11/51 will kick ass.
  • 15 0
 10 speed Microsoft Advent X is not much more expensive (maybe less), and I just picked up a rear D, Pro shifter, and 11-48 cassette for just under $200 CAD. The cassette is lighter than my Deore 10 Spd 11-42, so the drivetrain comes in at a lower weight overall than Shimano. Fit and finish on the rear D is not quite as nice as Shimano Deore level and up, but the gear spread is fantastic.
  • 2 4
 They're not paying for the cheap stuff... they're leftover things off the shelves and in the bins of the room at pinkbike HQ where stuff that gets sent in to be reviewed, lay in purgatory until someone brave comes along to write an article on it.

IF Henry was actually using the expense account to order components... he'd have gone with more color neutral black for everything he could, so whatever used bikes they got donated to them by Giant bicycles (from either their demo fleet or a rental fleet at a resort) it would work with the colors better (and not have put those blue bar/stem combo onto his bike with the yellow highlight color).
  • 2 0
 Shhh... I'm fine with Advent X remaining my little secret Smile
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 @deeeight: In the first episode they did say they purchased 2 nearly identical bikes - not had them donated. Henry also said the cheap parts were coming from wherever Mike Levy could 'manage to find them from the far flung corners of the internet' so it sounds like they were purchased for this and that Henry didn't get a say in components/colour choices.
  • 14 1
 I know that these series is just for fun. But it could have been such a valuable series if the money would have been spend sensible and not just the cheapest and the most expensive one. So, it is fun to watch. But, honestly, I think every time 'what a waste'
  • 3 1
 It’s clear they dgaf about feedback lol. Everyone pointed this out immediately.

I totally agree, that a realistic/acceptable low end vs top end would be great.
  • 15 0
 quite sad Henry didn't chose the Meijun XT cranks in the available anozized blue, to match his cockpit
  • 5 0
 Also someone is making nice money on those,I regularly see that cranks go for 35€ on AliExpress.
And why spec it with a 36t? Come on!
  • 3 0
 @geodave: the irony here is that real XT cranks aren't more than $20 more... and Im thinking Ive seen new SLX for ~$100 as well.
  • 15 3
 First, but why is a drivetrain 2400$? that's more than the retail price of my bike....
  • 27 2
 Why are some cars more expensive than a house
  • 11 5
 @nvranka: why are some bikes more expensive than a house?
  • 29 0
 @winko: where are these sub 20k houses you speak of, and where can i buy one? lol
  • 21 1
 Welcome to MTB, the sport where prices are made up and affordability doesn't matter
  • 4 0
 @stumphumper92: the rich people will be coming to downvote you lol
  • 5 0
 @normalrat: In Hungary.
  • 4 0
 @normalrat: -------> 20267 Joann St,
Detroit, MI 48205
  • 2 0
 @adam102 I went to Hungary in 2003, just before they joined the EU, I could go to the restaurant with a full meal for 3EUR. Germans were buying secondary houses like crazzy, I think since then the prices went up significatively, but the salaries in Hungary are quite low, that's probably the main reason why the lobby of big businesses wanted to extend the EU to the Eastern block. Will check with Hungarian friends if that's still the case. BTW there is a nice downhill track in Pecs from top of the hill with its telecom tower.
  • 1 0
 @zoobab2: It's definitely going up like crazy. Obviously the house will not be anything modern or right in Budapest. An acquaintance of mine bought one near Perkupa for around 5 000 EUR a few years back with some investment for renovation (but livable even without). Tons of sheds attached to it that could be converted to bike shop/storage too.
The better ones in more lucrative places are 150k+ EUR, of course.
  • 8 1
 Shimano HG-500 11-42, an XT rear mech x/ clutch and an XT rear shifter make for a nice combo as well. Anything more than 10 speeds is kinda just wasted, as most of the gears in the middle are just "fly-over states"
  • 3 0
 Couldn't agree more. I wish bike suspension/antisquat was built around a smaller chainring so we could drop the super tall/heavy gears and just run 8 or 9 speeds. I don't use the bottom 3 or 4 gears on trail going up or down. Usage range is more important than absolute range.
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 @haen: Yup. All the weight savings of 1X were lost when designers built anti-squat around 30t+ chainrings. Be nice to see all mountain and enduro bikes built around a 26 or 28t chainring and an 11-42t cassette. Keep XC bikes at 30 or 32t fronts. (I see that some of the all mountain hardtails are built around 28t rings, so there must be something about that).
There will always be someone complaining that they need to pedal at over 30km/h, but really, on a downhill, gravity takes care of acceleration and I'm more concerned with slowing down than pedaling.
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 @woofer2609: High pivot might be the answer. You can run any size chainring you want.
  • 8 0
 "I think I buy bike products sometimes to mask my own inability"
-Jason (and almost everyone else, myself included)
  • 5 0
 just off the bat, for season 2, it would be interesting to see the adventX that you guys seemed to like so much. $160 (iirc) without cranks, compared to a cable actuated drivetrain (xx1, xtr, etc)
  • 7 0
 Nice Electric Wizard knock off Deity shirt.
  • 2 0
 I wonder how many people on here will get this Smile
  • 1 0
 @novajimmer: I think very few and that's okay. I'd bet that even @jasonlucas does not.
  • 3 0
 @hellbelly: The shirt also has shops on the back like tour dates being listed. The wizzzzzzaarrrrrrrd!
  • 3 1
 @pandafoo: Legalize hubs and enduro??? Big Grin
  • 2 0
 @novajimmer: only the chosen few
  • 3 0
 would have love to have seen a micro shift drivetrain, rockshox 35 or revelation, or hell even a charger 2 damper upgrade. tires...yeah could have done bontrager, specialized, etc that are very good but cheaper than maxxis......come on pinkbike show us a real budget build....
  • 8 1
 Damn PB, you guys are getting roasted.... Better luck on Season 2.
  • 4 0
 Advent X and EEwings a perfect match for strength and reliability. Buy 2 extra mechs and a cassette and throw them in the tool box. Strap an extra mech to the downtube.
  • 2 0
 I found a sunrace 11-46 that is light and more solid than the Advent one so I switched to it and like it. 46 with a 30 is still plenty of range if you have legs!
  • 2 0
 Every bolt is slightly rounded means that it's well maintained. I wish parts were available. I've been looking for a non E GX rear mech for 8 months now and haven't been able to find one. Everyone is selling the AXS stuff.
  • 2 0
 Such a shame that this serie turned out to be complete waste of time. Would have been lot more intresting to give a different budget to both and let them pick the best parts they could for this budget. I have not even watched the last two episodes since the point of this video is clearly missed. I am a little sad that even Pinkbike prefer to make a funny show instead of an intresting article.
  • 4 3
 This series just doesn't make sense. A more apt (and useable) comparison would be: Durolux vs Fox Factory. Deore Vs AXS drivetrain. mt501 vs Code RSC brakes. Any proper brand cockpit vs Enve...etc.

I don't think anyone thinking about "upgrading" their Reign would go for the acolyte drivetrain or? Certainly not that fork or Mike bears.
  • 2 1
 TransX dropper vs AXS reverb...
  • 4 0
 @aribr: a useful comparison would only highlight the absurd tiered performance levels that the industry is famous for.
  • 4 1
 This series is freaking CLICK BAIT! Sure it gets views but at what costs to Pinkbike's integrity. Sigh, this could have got click and been amazing.
  • 1 0
 I recently upgraded from 5-year old Kona with 3-by drivetrain to a new bike with 1-by. Unrelated to the drivetrain itself, I kinda miss the cheapo display on the lever that told me (approximately) what gear I was in. Seems like modern drivetrains are too cool for that, and I guess I'll get used to it, but it makes me wonder if I'm alone in missing it.
  • 5 0
 I thought the same at first but later realized it doesn't really matter 99% of the time.
  • 1 0
 I like this series, it's pretty much what I'll see out in the trail with my buddies. There'll be one who goes all out on the purchase, down to titanium spokes, bolts. And then there will be one guy who goes alibaba everything. I hope the next series will examine what works and what doesn't and then we'll have a build of reasonably specced bike for normal guys and then one reasonably specced one for privateers meant to last a season and a small maintenance budget.
  • 1 0
 Is there any chance that at at the end of this henry can change out the bits on his bike with parts that he honestly thinks are budget components that will result in a bike that can (to some extent) keep up with the baller ride? Id be really interested to see where he ends up and what bits get serviced rather than replaced. you could then get a delta for budget Vs economical Vs Baller. FWIW i like the series for tits and pickles. Its also interesting to see how bad that really cheap stuff is.
  • 1 0
 I've had my EE Wing cranks now for 2 years and they are still like new. I know they cost quite a bit but with the 10 year warranty that's 10 years i don't have to worry about. I've given then a hard time and they still shine. I've had other cranks that have last a year, carbon cranks shorter....good investment if you aske me. they look ace and are stiff so the power transfer is really good.
  • 1 0
 This may get buried in all the comments...But why is GX AXS baller when there is xx1 AXS, or xo1 AXS? You could still do an all XX1 drivetrain with AXS and THAT would be baller. Why not throw in some Ti cranks. It goes along with the other comments: choices of these "upgrades" aren't being made well to actually give useful information. This could be fun and educational for people if the choices were better.
  • 5 1
 upgrades should not make a bike worse.
  • 2 0
 Of course they should not.
The concept is well thought,but poorly explained.

Those part changes cannot be described as upgrades, but as cheap replacements as if something (everything!) would break and the owner was too low on cash to afford something better than the cheapest available.
If it was presented like that people wouldn't be so disapointed.
  • 4 0
 Shit! I think I heard the threads on Jason’s derailleur scream.
  • 2 2
 I am surprised they actually used the #3 OEM drivetrain supplier for their "low" option, and not one of the weird brands started by laid off engineers from SRAM or Shimano. Guess their was a free Acolyte drivetrain sitting in the "submitted for review parts" bin.
  • 4 0
 Now run a wal-mart bike with the baller upgrades. Just for the trolls.
  • 3 0
 Can we just have more videos of building up bikes in a workshop, there’s something very calming about it
  • 1 1
 Just buy henry some wally world running shoes for 49.95. He can still get down the trail. The hardest riding cheapest SOB I ever saw still spent over 1k on his hardtail. Used. He smoked FS riders no sweat on TWE and porkypine. He drove a subaru that belonged in the junkyard with a wooden roof rack. Still needed cash for decent tires and travel from SLC and days off from university. Ass gas or grass, nobody rides mtb for cheap.
  • 2 0
 Obviously ballers gonna be better but like I have no money so budget it is. Did not watch video first bc I'm at school
  • 4 1
 Condition of that dropout says the baller RD isn't going to last long.
  • 5 2
 The 1x drivetrains DO NOT offer more drive range....at all.
  • 1 0
 I think the better comparison here that would have been more relevant to most users would be a a Deore/NX to something more boutique.
  • 4 0
 lol here we go again
  • 3 0
 Jason's bike needs the AXS XX1 to be Baller! (GX...budget baller?)
  • 5 2
 just run single speed. it will make you stronger
  • 6 0
 Budget vs baller season 55+: knee replacement surgery
  • 1 1
 So you buy an $1,100 bling crank (that seems to be sold out everywhere) and spend almost zero time on setup on it while the disaster press fit BB and cheapo crank gets a few minutes. Dumb.
  • 1 1
 Ya oneby is so revolutionary it gave you less range and more unsprung weight lol. Two things you don't want just so you don't have a front derailleur that when set up right works a charm.
  • 2 0
 They should have each been given a budget (one large one small) and then decided for themselves how they spend it.
  • 1 0
 We know the baller bike is faster, thanks to all the top spec components. The question now is. In a timed track, is it still faster than an average but new geometry bike?
  • 2 3
 This video series is getting ridiculous. Pinkbike should seriously advise people to not spec their bike like this, it's outright dangerous to ride all of these no name made in China parts.
  • 1 1
 "no name", it's just that you are not aware of decent chinese brands.

Some of them have decent quality and attractive price/quality ratio.

I have been using many parts from ZTTO, quite actually impressed by their reliability so far, even though I know that they rebrand some items from other manufacturers.
  • 2 0
 Jeeesus, how many ugga duggas SRAM requires for the GX AXS to be in place?
  • 3 0
 Shootaloadandloseweight
  • 1 0
 If Jenson is sponsoring the High end build why arent they sponsoring the low end build off their website too
  • 1 0
 I choose the 300 - 400 dollar option. Oh wait I forgot that's not an option, how silly of me.
  • 1 0
 AXS and Ebikes are only critiziced by those who have never tried them.

PS: Ebikes are shite.
  • 1 0
 Is it just me or does anyone else need to raise the volume when Henry talks?!!...
  • 1 0
 Who says you can't ball on a budget
  • 2 1
 Compared to Eagle AXS, GX/NX or SLX are budget and perform very well.
  • 2 1
 $1200 drivetrain.... ya no
  • 1 0
 There is no middle ground
  • 3 2
 On my regular bike, $2400 drivetrain
On my new ebike, $160 drivetrain
  • 1 0
 So are these bikes gonna be "huck-to-flat"-ed?
  • 1 0
 What’s the benefit of ti cranks? Or is there even one?
  • 3 0
 They look cool and lighter and stronger than carbon
  • 1 0
 @Jules15: They definitely look cool! Seeing as I lost nearly 300g going to the eewings, I can tell that my dentist bike is lighter too.

That aside, impact resistance should be much better than carbon.
  • 1 0
 I've bailed twice on my eewings in ways that would write off any carbon on the market, and most likely any hollow aluminum options. They're the real deal, a truly over the top crank in terms of strength and weight.
  • 1 0
 I have a set and justified them due to the amount of pedal strikes I get when riding.
  • 1 0
 They weigh about the same as top of the line light weight carbon cranks, except they wont tear the pedal threads out or break at the first sign of a rock. They're expensive and absolutely not necessary for everybody, but they definitely have a place in the pantheon of performance - think weight of xc carbon cranks, strength of DH cranks, cost of firstborn and firstborn's firstborn.
  • 1 0
 15:15 Henry's chain looks so ridiculous flopping around so much Wink
  • 1 0
 Ahhh, here we go again Big Grin
  • 1 1
 for the Brits out there, doesn't Henry sound like a white Chris Eubank?
  • 4 0
 Not at all.
  • 1 0
 should have done gx axs
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