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Video: How to Mountain Bike Safely During COVID-19

May 10, 2020 at 22:01
by Pinkbike Originals  

Join Christina Chappetta on a solo shred around Whistler while she lays out her tips for keeping things rubber side down when mountain biking during COVID-19.

Disclaimer: Mountain biking irresponsibly during the COVID-19 pandemic puts you and others at risk. Riding injuries put unnecessary stress on medical systems that need all available resources to fight the virus, and group rides increase your chances of exposure. Please follow all local health authority directives, and DO NOT take risks.

Do not travel to other communities, especially smaller ones, as the health resources in those communities are already challenged.








298 Comments

  • 249 60
 If your healthcare system isn't over whelmed, shred as you wish. Many healthcare practitioners are actually being laid off right now because hospitals are losing insane amounts of money. You can do your part to protect their jobs by getting wrecked.
  • 26 9
 In this case it seems more effective to jump out of a window.. (but not too high)
  • 316 49
 healthcare providers in canada don't need to worry about turning a profit for their corporate overlords in order to stay employed. they can just focus on taking care of people who need healthcare. it's a great system, you americans should look into it!
  • 41 2
 Name checks out
  • 153 47
 @boomforeal: as a typical Canadian, I approve of you condensing complex matters into simple pompous statements that can be manipulated to assert your national superiority, all while bringing down another’s country, and making you seem super cool on the internet.
  • 28 139
flag nvranka (May 11, 2020 at 8:57) (Below Threshold)
 @boomforeal: hey look, it’s a delusional fool!
  • 65 21
 @boomforeal: We got too many idiot here who think something like that won't ever work
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 ..
  • 6 0
 @boomforeal: And aside from Quebec have tonnes of spare capacity while they put all "elective" treatments on hold. Take advantage before flu season...
  • 29 18
 @boomforeal: if we can figure out your system and I can still go see my doctors without a waiting list I’m all for it. How much more in taxes will it cost me vs what I pay out of pocket for insurance and co-pays? Since I’m 35 and not an athlete how long will I need to wait for a procedure that would be considered non-essential by government standards to repair my knee. I’m not arguing the fact that universal health care isn’t a bad idea but as with privatized health care there are flaws. I’m about to go see a specialist in California to try an experimental alternative to a knee replacement to try and buy me more time. If I lived in Canada I’d have to pay for this out of pocket. My insurance will currently cover this.
  • 51 9
 @TypicalCanadian: he is totally on the money. We don't have health care in the states we have an insurance industry that profits off of sick people. If you can't pay you dead.
  • 2 2
 True they are only doing emergency surgery. The poor surgeons need business
  • 33 26
 Death rate between .1 & .2 percent. Average person that dies with an age of 80 and underlying health issues. Extremely slow emergency rooms in most parts of the US. So basically ride how you normally would.

@boomforeal: Hmm, should the US trade a a healthcare system that is massively controlled by inept/corrupt government/giant corporations for one that is totally controlled by an inept/corrupt government/corporations? I think I'll go for a bike ride. Not defending our non-free market healthcare system, but the same reasons you wouldn't want your government to be the sole producer of mountain bikes is the same reasons you don't want your government being the sole provider of healthcare.
  • 23 1
 @29er1: @29er1: The whole "All surgeons are rich AF and can forego income indefinitely" is very false. Yes, their income is high, but their expenses are absurd and assuming they haven't been practicing for 25 years, they're still buried underneath a mountain of debt and ongoing malpractice insurance dues. Don't be insensitive to anybody's suffering and instability.
  • 17 3
 @JockoJones: either your pay the government or you pay private companies, but somebody is getting paid... and to say you “don’t have healthcare” in the US is disingenuous. You don’t have “free” healthcare for everyone, but you can walk into a hospital and they will save you before billing you. Notice the quotes around “free”, because someone is always going to pay...
  • 11 11
 @boomforeal: Every system has it's pros/cons. Don't pretend like the Canadian model is without it's own faults.
  • 17 42
flag TheR (May 11, 2020 at 9:51) (Below Threshold)
 @boomforeal: Please spare us the lecture until your healthcare system can produce something like a Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic or a Johns Hopkins. You know, three of the top hospitals in the world.
  • 116 8
 @scotttherider: You spend about twice as much per person per year as other countries but are 37th in the world for quality of care, you already pay as much of your taxes per person towards healthcare as countries with a functioning single payer system which gives healthcare for every person, all of your private insurance spending is on top of that.

For what it costs you, your healthcare should be incredible for every American (twice as good as the first world average and 20% better than the next best) but instead it leaves cancer patients bankrupt and poor people dying in the street from curable and preventable diseases. A few people get to make a lot of profit though.

A single payer system where nobody makes a profit has the goal of giving the best care for the lowest price to every person. A profit based system has the goal of giving the cheapest care at the highest price.
www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#item-average-wealthy-countries-spend-half-much-per-person-health-u-s-spends

worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world
  • 7 4
 @boomforeal: false. Most physicians are contracted on a fee for service basis. If they don’t see er pts or do surgeries, they don’t get paid.
  • 11 12
 @TypicalCanadian: “you either pay the government or you pay private companies”. Well virtually every car owner pays insurance to a private company which is not equal to amount of money necessary to repair that car in case of an accident - do I need to say anything more?
  • 17 5
 @WAKIdesigns: yes because that is a false equivalency. If I total a $35,000 car, which my insurance replaces, they will never recoup that money from me...

Now try to follow along and I’ll simplify it for you: I said that there is no such thing as free healthcare. Either you pay the government (taxes), or you pay private companies (insurance, health providers, etc). Nothing is free.
  • 13 5
 @TypicalCanadian: Nothing is more expensive than free.
  • 47 5
 @scotttherider: its called socialism. There are always sacrifices and I guarantee our system could be managed better. The choice we've made is yes something you need but is non life threatening might take up to 6 months. I was told getting scheduled to take the metal plate out of my elbow because it bothers me a little might take up to 2 years.

BUT when I went over the bars and completely separated the tip of my elbow (just floating in the skin), I had emergency surgery within an hour and a half of getting to the hospital and whether I was the richest man in Canada or the poorest man in Canada I walked out of there with a bill of $0. Socialism is about making sure everyone has a social safety net. It's called caring about other people.
  • 8 4
 @friendlyfoe: If you walk (or get carted) into any ER in the U.S. with the injury you describe, you will not be turned away. We have laws that would prevent them from turning you away.
  • 20 42
flag TypicalCanadian (May 11, 2020 at 10:23) (Below Threshold)
 @friendlyfoe: 100% wrong. Socialism is simply a transitional period to communism (per Karl Marx himself), and makes one subservient to the government. It has nothing to do with caring about people. It takes away opportunity and incentive to makes something of yourself. Can’t believe how many people have been brainwashed into believing they’re owed everything and that the government should run their lives. Yikes...
  • 7 3
 @friendlyfoe: the tip of what was that? Haha... Yep. I hear from Americans how bad our wait times are regularly but as a Canadian in a semi-rural area have never experienced those concerns first-hand. I have also worked in hospitals in urban centers here in Canada (mental health) and have not seen the wait-times suggested. Sure my lens is limited- but overall I have not seen the fears of those not in our system manifested and rather have always experienced high quality care, in a reasonable time, and am grateful for our system. I think there may be increased wait times for some services- of course- but largely feel the rhetoric that our system is dramatically inferior is more circulated to placate those not in our system.
  • 15 4
 @TypicalCanadian: What socialist governments are we talking about? As in, do you have examples of governments that have transitioned from socialist to communist recently in the western world? What services should the state provide? These are complex things you are boiling down in a comments section on a video about biking during a pandemic. 100% wrong is a lot of wrong. Are you sure the figure is that high?
  • 7 5
 @friendlyfoe: I understand socialism. I already give plenty into the systems here in the states. I’m in the 2nd highest tax bracket as is. So my health care expenses get written off. When I destroyed my ankle I went into my 1st surgery inside of 7 hours. It cost me $2500 total. I had $0 of medical expenses for the rest of the year. I saw the best ankle specialist two weeks later and scheduled my 2nd surgery two weeks following that due to the amount swelling. The most I’ll pay out of pocket for my family of 5 is $4500. We can choose who we see as well. The only shitty insurance I have is the vision. We don’t have any providers where I live...
  • 3 1
 @snl1200: lol sorry I got an edit in after you read that :p

If anything the real problem we have here is a lack of GP's because the USA system pays doctors so freaking much that they leave. So your system is actually breaking our system. Thanks for that.
  • 6 5
 @TheR: yeah and you leave with a 500 000 dollar bill. Good times.
  • 25 3
 @scotttherider:

The cost for healthcare per person in the United States is the highest in the world by a significant margin (more than twice as much as in Canada). So realistically you guys could pay the same as you do now (or even less) and have a much better system than we do.

Every system has flaws. You are right, we do have wait times, and sometimes it can suck to wait several months for something that is not critical (like a knee surgery), I waited 9 months to have reconstructive knee surgery when I had it done. That being said, if you are in urgent need of care, stuff can happen in an instant. My wife became critically ill with a mystery illness that tried to kill her. She was in Intensive care for over a month, had an endless number of test performed on her, saw many different specialists, you name it, there was almost no waiting for anything because she needed it.

If we lived in the United States we would likely be bankrupt and in deep debt for the rest of our lives. Instead we are moving on and all I had to pay for was parking and shitty cafeteria food. Many, many people in the US do not get the care they need because they are not covered, they avoid going to doctors because they can't afford to and then minor issues become major issues that ruins lives.

www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance/cost-of-healthcare-countries-ranked-2019-3
  • 2 3
 @friendlyfoe: Even if it did work like that, it wouldn't be close to that expensive.
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 @snl1200: I stated that Karl Marx himself stated it was a transitional period to communism. What I don’t have is any example of where true socialism has ever worked in the world. But hey, people will keep trying I guess.

Learn to read through the comments fully. If you had, you would see that I was calling out people who dumb down complex things (such as healthcare for hundreds of millions of people) into small snippets that fit their agenda.

I don’t want to get into a debate of every service the government should provide, but I will say that I don’t expect other people to take care of me. Most governments are inefficient, and I don’t want them managing every aspect of my life. Not complex stuff.
  • 8 10
 @danny: you realize that health insurance exists in the US right? If you are dying of an illness and have insurance (which everyone is required to have there since Obama), you won’t go bankrupt. These fake arguments are what take away from meaningful dialogue.
  • 8 2
 @TypicalCanadian: are you really that well versed in US health care economics? serious question, be cause my understanding is there are still ways people can be under insured or required to pay significant amounts, still resulting in fiscal distress or reduced access to care.... serious question to you.
  • 6 22
flag nvranka (May 11, 2020 at 10:51) (Below Threshold)
 @TypicalCanadian: mic drop, end of thread.

If half of you spent your energy actually adding value to society, you wouldn’t have to worry about medical coverage...you’d have it.
  • 1 4
 @danny: I’m sorry to hear about your wife but in 2018 I had a close co-worker wreck badly on a crotch rocket and had to be life-flighted to Seattle and went through 3 emergency surgeries as well as spend about a week in the ICU. His bill would have been $250,000-$500,000 easily with the life flight included. The hospital wrote the entire bill off. He has $0 of debt from this.
  • 3 10
flag 4fun4health (May 11, 2020 at 10:55) (Below Threshold)
 @boomforeal: no thanks, don't want to wait 6 months for medical care I need now
  • 6 0
 It's not just about treatment, but also the cost of drugs. My brother lives in St Louis and had a cold sore a few months ago. He went to his local pharmacy where he was told a 5g tube of Zovirax would cost him $60. He also needed a prescription which wasn't covered by his insurance, another $100 to visit the doctor. The same item here in the UK is available over the counter for $5.15 at the current exchange rate.
If the reporting in the link below is accurate, then it looks like $160 was a bit of a bargain.

www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus-20150306-column.html
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flag scotttherider (May 11, 2020 at 11:14) (Below Threshold)
 @nvranka: best comment so far of the thread imo!
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 @commental:

There really isn't any good argument for the US system. The US government pays more proportionately for healthcare than all other industrialized nations, yet its citizens pay the most out of their pocket for healthcare and in some cases don't have healthcare. That is lunacy sold as "freedom". The doctors charge too much as do pharmaceutical companies and for-profit insurance providers don't help! No one should go to the doctor wondering how much the trip is gonna cost.

"According to data from OECD, the US spent $10,209 on healthcare per capita, or per person, in 2017. That's more than any other country in OECD's 36-country consortium, and over $2,000 more than Switzerland, the second-highest spending country."
www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance/cost-of-healthcare-countries-ranked-2019-3
  • 14 0
 @jesse-effing-edwards: It also amuses me that any healthcare system that isn't in line with the US one is automatically classed as "socialist". There are a lot of things you could accuse the UK government of, but being socialist certainly isn't one of them.
  • 6 7
 Yea PB had no issue showing Fabio Wibmers dangerous stunts huh ? This article is horse manure.
  • 10 2
 @TypicalCanadian: There are countless examples of people with Health insurance in the US that get buried in debt. Many insurance providers have "networks" and if you go to a hospital or specialist not in network then they don't cover and you get billed for it. Imagine your spouse being on life support and you are running around trying to figure who is covered by your insurance or if you can have a certain test done instead of just focusing on them getting what ever care that they need.

There are many stories of people getting taken to hospitals in an ambulance unconscious from a serious accident, the ambulance takes them to the nearest hospital, guess what it's not in your network and they won't cover you, but you are unconscious and can't tell them which hospital to go to....
  • 7 1
 @scotttherider: There's no question that many people in the states that do have the coverage they need, but there are millions that don't...

I also want to be clear, I'm not saying Canada's system is the best, because I know it isn't and we have room for improvement, but I would be looking at the countries that have the best health care systems for ways to improve, not the US.
  • 2 6
flag Beez177 (May 11, 2020 at 12:13) (Below Threshold)
 @boomforeal: Life must be easy for you solving enormous problems in fell swoop..
  • 11 3
 Treating patients isn't a business in Canada.
  • 5 7
 @DaFreerider44: Wrong, we have too many people who don't contribute much but expect the world in return. Nothing is free.
  • 7 0
 @commental: it's a big business like everything in the u.s. another good one is the prison system. Its all about money and making more for government workers slimeball friends. Education is for the rich only at this point too public schools are a joke.
  • 6 14
flag TheR (May 11, 2020 at 12:43) (Below Threshold)
 @makripper: Treating patients isn't a business in Canada? They all just get together, sing kumbaya, and stitch up patients out of the goodness of their hearts? GTFOH with that BULLSHIT. If someone is getting paid, getting compensated for their skills and expertise, it's a business.
  • 12 3
 @TheR: The closest they come to a business is a not for profit as they do not generate revenue. Does being this ignorant come naturally or do you have to work on it? Like take classes or something?
  • 5 6
 @friendlyfoe: are you suggesting non profits aren’t businesses? hahahah
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flag TheR (May 11, 2020 at 12:52) (Below Threshold)
 @friendlyfoe: Is that the legendary Canadian friendliness I see shining through there? Not-for-profit is still a business, you midwit. And people who work for them do make money. Talk about ignorance... Again I ask, are Canadian doctors and nurses working for free?
  • 13 0
 Sorry, is this some sort of American joke that I'm too European to understand?
  • 5 3
 Preach, brother! I’m getting tired of everyone pretending like all locales are NYC. Even in NY, the hospitals weren’t overwhelmed. They never used the temp hospitals or rented cruise ships to treat patients. :shrug:
  • 2 4
 @TypicalCanadian: Truth. Something that works on one country doesn’t necessarily work in another for myriad reasons. Just one problem with @boomforeal’s over-simplification is that when the economy tanks, are incomes disappear. When incomes disappear, guess what? Socialism fails, because, as Margaret Thatcher once said, eventually you run out of other people’s money. Same problem is seen here with our social program, but the Fed and Congress are in cahoots and think it’s OK to just print money and destroy the financial integrity of the US Government.
  • 2 5
 @friendlyfoe: And also, a good number of hospitals in the U.S. -- especially the faith-based ones (Catholic, Adventists, Jewish) and those run by university systems -- are non-profit. Mayo Clinic? You know, the top hospital in the world? Non-profit.

Geez. At least do some flippin' research before calling other people ignorant.
  • 6 2
 @TheR: I was only describing your attitude as ignorant. And I'm not sure how you've confused employees and companies but okay.
  • 2 5
 @friendlyfoe: My point about the doctors in Canada getting paid is that if someone is getting paid, there's a business involved. Then please go back and read what I wrote about the U.S. hospitals -- by and large, these "companies" are non-profit. Non-profits are businesses.
  • 7 2
 @TheR: yes non profits are a business because they have employees so mak's comment was technically incorrect but it's easy to read between the lines to ascertain the point he was making. What makes a non for profit business unique is that any positive income is used to deliver services, where as in a for profit business positive income goes in the pockets of the ownership (whether that be privately or publicly owned).

Even leaving out the Candian system for now a non for profit hospital in the US achieves much more social good than a for profit hospital as any positive income is spent on services. A quick google search says about 38% of hospitals are for profit in the US with the rest being non profit. Non profit hospitals should definitely be the goal, but you still have a for profit element in the insurance companies.

In Canada there is no for profit element anywhere in the system (again please note employees and companies are NOT the same thing). The only argument for your system would be that if you achieved 100% non profit hospitals that they are run so much better than government run hospitals that their efficiency offsets that added insurance cost. That's a weak argument because all it proves is that government run healthcare needs to be well run. It also doesn't address the for profit issue of insurance companies that leaves millions without basic health care.

And if your point of view is screw the people who don't have benefits because I work hard and I do, it's not worth discussion further because we clearly have different views about healthcare as a right in a first world country. Not to mention the massive amount of good hard working people who lose their jobs and therefor benefits every time there is an economic crisis. Plus unemployment is only around 5% in first world countries and taking care of that portion of the population is a relatively minor burden.
  • 4 1
 @TheR:
Not everything is a business mate. How about working for a homeless charity, working with addicts and sometimes people with minimal problems who just fell on hard times. I received a pay packet, for my work and relational skills. This enabled me to exist and return work the following day.
The charity as a whole received donations & oh no government funded grants to keep operating.
  • 3 4
 @friendlyfoe: What is so hard about this? Someone above said the following: "Treating patients isn't a business in Canada." That is horseshit. It's a business. It follows a non-profit business model, but it is a business. A non-profit still generates revenue -- in fact, generating revenue is a major concern of non-profits, otherwise they can't provide their services in the first place. That is all. Maybe you can say there is no "for profit" element in the Canadian healthcare system, and maybe that's accurate. But don't fool yourself into saying it's not a business with no concern for raising revenue.
  • 2 1
 @danny: they do have a myriad of programs here for those that don’t make much in the form of income as well. In 2009 during the last recession I was unemployed and my wife(fiancée at the time) We were broke at the time and I was on unemployment. The state provided us free healthcare because neither of us had much in the form of income. When we had our 2nd child we were equally broke but I had insurance through work and the hospital wrote off the balance of what we owed. There are many programs out there for those that look into them here in the states. The people that end up with hundreds of thousands in debt usually have not looked into all of their options.
  • 1 2
 @benjiancillotti: Again, if you were working for a charity, it is a business. The charity needs capital to be able to provide goods and services to the homeless. You can't just give something for nothing. There are people in place to raise that capital, even if it's a low paid staff collecting donations, clothes and canned good. It doesn't mean that charity is especially wealthy, or that it doesn't struggle. But it is a business.
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 @JockoJones: I hear that Yeti may be suffering extra badly because the dentists aren't seeing many patients during the coronavirus.
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 @TheR: True, but the difference is a massive hospital bill that would throw most Americans into debt vs a bill very close to $0 for Canadians.

Here's a crazy idea: Basic universal coverage for all Americans + optional supplemental coverage for elective procedures. I'd love to hear arguments against that model
  • 5 0
 @Patrick9-32: Thank you. As someone in the med tech field in the US, it can't be stated enough times how incredibly inefficient our healthcare system is. By all available objective metrics there is just no logical reasoning that points to our healthcare systems being superior in any way in comparison to other developed countries. A little piece of me dies inside when my wife or friends we know that are nurses imply a superiority of our health system with little understanding of the overall cost and effectiveness of it. There's no denying that there are some really great medical institutions here, although I would table that we're not unique in that regard. The only argument I would agree with when it comes to health system superiority is that as a
capatalistic society above all else, there is always the opportunity to pay to play when it comes to the US health system and game it to ones benefit if one has the means
  • 3 1
 @westeast: except the children who get sick with a complete new inflammatory disease, which turns out is highly fatal. So keep your denier statistic to yourself unless it is complete. Thanks.
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 @boomforeal: you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
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 @4fun4health: then I doubt you have dealt with American health system. I have a chronically ill wife and 5yrs has slipped away waiting 6+months to meet with a specialist for 20mins. Her conditions continues to worsen as we wait for specialist. When she lost her job, she lost her insurance and medically bills went to six figures overnight. Anytime dealing with health issues is going to be hard. But it should not cripple you.
  • 4 1
 @Golden-G: yeah, kinda wish he’d hush and stop making the rest of us look so ignorant.

The operation side of our healthcare system is very similar, it’s the payer structure and fee schedule that differs. Canadian doctors are registered, incorporated companies with staff, some independent, some part of larger partnerships. They bill the government in lieu of an insurer or patient (except the patient does pay nominal direct fees not covered by their provincial insurer).

Canadians also generally forget that we have healthcare provided by each province, the federal government mandates it is provided and merely supplements the cost borne by funding each province. We don’t even actually have a national healthcare program, it’s just a funding model at that level.

I’d argue for an improved version of our system any day. But if you don’t actually know how it works maybe pipe down a bit @friendlyfoe
  • 4 1
 @Beez177: So my wife who was healthy and teacher until she became chronically ill. Lost her job, lost her insurance. Overnight medical debt, student loans got deferred but not the interest, so she now owe’s more than the original loan. We had to sell our house and everything we own to make ends meet. What did we get for free?
  • 6 1
 @commental: yeah, socialist roads & military & publics schools & national parks are the worst!
  • 6 3
 @pourquois-pas: agreed, people are clueless as to the incredible level of influence big pharma has over our socialist (‘free’ & shitty) ‘health’ care system.
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 @nvranka: you are 100% correct despite the prop ratings. The masses are asses.
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 @fullendurbro: the cost of entry alone to become a Doc is insane, now they are going broke.
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 @TypicalCanadian: These public school educated fools have never had even the most basic economics education. If you haven't had an economics education yet run your mouth about economics issues, downvote my comment so you can be counted.
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 @scotttherider: you have better insurance than most. I have a $5k deductible per family member. It sucks. A lot of folks have it worse than me. I think we are caught in politics. It’s not about what’s best, it’s about right vs left.
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 The single biggest source of the GDP decline came from health care, which subtracted 2.3 percentage points. By comparison, reduced spending on “recreation services, food services, and accommodation services” subtracted 2.6 percentage points from GDP. Every subcategory of health spending plunged by the most on record. It makes sense that dentists, regular checkups, and elective surgeries were all hit hard by people afraid of contracting a dangerous respiratory virus, but the scale of the health-care decline is still striking given the nature of the crisis and the focus on the travails of bars and restaurants. —Barrons
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 @Spin84: Sorry for your hardship but what about your insurance? Do you have a job with benefits, since she lost hers?
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 @Beez177: When she lost her job she went on my insurance, but more money was taken out of my paycheck (for insurance), than I was making. We had to relocate for medical reasons (rural town to larger city). 1.5yrs and I can't find land a job w/ benefits. I now work 3 jobs 7 days a week to keep a roof over her head.
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 @Spin84: Well, we're not going to solve anything on here. Hopefully tough times don't last for you guys. Best wishes.
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 Username checks out!
Big Grin
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 @ryan83: Beat me to it!
  • 2 1
 @scotttherider: if you lived in Canada you can also get insurance and see that same doc in California. But you have backup basic healthcare for free. My Effective taxes were the same in both countries. Tax rates are different but what I end up paying is the same. If I want to move to first in line or go to the Mayo clinic I can pay for it. I use Brock.ca for my companies insurance. Unlimited spending account and it adds 5% surcharge to turn it into a business tax write off. Covers anything you can imagine.
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 @likehell: Defenestration!
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 @pdxallarounder: as soon as you have a side you're part of the problem.
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 I hope you're being sarcastic! If not, go follow @likehell 's advice.
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 @friendlyfoe: Refusal to take a side is blindly accepting whoever wins and letting go of control of your own life. It is a coward's choice.

This stuff affects your health and your loved one's health. You should give enough of a shit to look into it, pick a side and be willing to stand behind that choice.
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 @Yetimike2019: what does that tell you about the level of unnecessary expenditure in the system? We see significant declines in traffic at day clinics and ERs. I’m sure there are some people who should be seeing a doctor but are staying home out of fear. But I’m equally sure there’s a pile of people who are finally taking care of themselves when they get a splinter or bruised elbow instead of going to see a doc “just in case”.
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 @Patrick9-32: I disagree. Yes, inform yourself and have passion. But picking a side is lazy... it takes intellect and fortitude to balance both arguments and see the truth somewhere in between. People picking a side and digging in their principled heels is one of the major drivers of social And political discord globally.
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 @pdxallarounder: I don’t disagree with your right vs left comment. That’s why in my first comment I stated health care for all is fair and makes sense but we need an adequate plan to get there. I used to pay for my health insurance out of pocket and had great coverage for relatively cheap prior to Obamacare. Almost overnight health premiums for insurance went through the roof.
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 @Jvisscher: I knew a lot of places do offer by up programs but wasn’t sure how they work.
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 @friendlyfoe: you’re welcome, now shut up.
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 @scotttherider: In Canada I have all the same options I had in the US but in addition, I get government free healthcare paid by tax dollars that went into other spending (military) with my US tax dollars.
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 @scotttherider: It would be interesting to see how much this varies from state to state.
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 @TheR: @TheR: oh buddy, at least try to pretend you stay inform on the bullshit happening in your own country:

time.com/5813731/teen-denied-insurance-coronavirus
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 @JohanG: speak it brother. Our education system has been mostly privatized as well with predictable results. Its sad to see the absolutely clueless try and argue this issue from the standpoint of solidarity with those who have turned this country (usa) into an their personal ATM.
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 @pdxallarounder: also pdx I sign up for the best medical insurance option my company offers as one of my littles is like me and has a little adrenaline addiction already. Plus having a family of 5 I’d like to keep my family maximum out of pocket as low as possible.
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 @neroleeloo: First of all, here's our law:

www.acep.org/life-as-a-physician/ethics--legal/emtala/emtala-fact-sheet

If you read the whole story, which you obviously did not, then you would see he was not uninsured, nor was he denied treatment. The whole misunderstanding is a result of a language barrier.

So next time, YOU please at least pretend to be informed about our laws before spouting off, and barring your inability to do that, at least READ the article YOU post to support your evidence. Hell, I'd settle for YOU reading the headline, which says the situation was complicated.

Here are some relative points:

"But in an interview with TIME nearly a week later, Parris explained that there had been a misunderstanding, fueled in part by a language barrier, since the boy’s father speaks English as a second language. A few days after Parris made the YouTube video, he spoke with the father and learned that the family IN FACT DID (my emphasis) have insurance, Parris explained. He posted the update to his Facebook page, where dozens of commenters weighed in thanking the mayor for keeping the city informed.

"But in an interview with TIME nearly a week later, Parris explained that there had been a misunderstanding, fueled in part by a language barrier, since the boy’s father speaks English as a second language...

"“The boy’s brother called Kaiser and told them the symptoms. They said don’t bring him here, take him to the [Antelope Valley] hospital, which was what they should have done,” Parris said in a phone interview on March 30. "Then he coded on the way there. They worked on him for six hours in the emergency room and they just couldn’t get him back.”

"So the story that had gone viral simply wasn’t true: the teenager did not go to an urgent care clinic and he wasn’t uninsured."
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 @neroleeloo: Look, if you love your universal health insurance, wonderful. I'm happy for you. Get out there and get back to bottling maple syrup, trapping beaver or whatever else it is you people do up there. But I don't need to hear your moral pontificating about our system down here, which clearly very few of you understand.

You're all the Canadian versions of the dimwits down here who say stuff like, "People die waiting for treatment under the Canadian/British/take your pick healthcare system." It's much more nuanced than that.
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 @TheR: I bet you are the kind of guy who gets mad when people measure in cm instead of bald eagles per bud lite can
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 @DaFreerider44: No, I just get irritated when a dipshit tries to patronize and insult me (Oooh, buddy, eh, at least eh, pretend to knoo what you're talking aboot, eh), and doesn't even know WTF HE'S talking about. AND THEN to prove his point, posts as evidence an article that COMPLETELY REFUTES his point.

I don't get mad when people measure in cm -- I get irritated when I'm lectured for measuring in inches. And as for Bud Light, LeBatt's tastes the same to me. And both are swill.
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 @TheR: I only get pissed when I have to use a metric micrometer!
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 @TheR: yes but we don’t have laws that prevent them from literally billing you into bankruptcy. Our system is one of the worst in the world as far as per capita expense vs. benefit.
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 @fattyheadshok: cool story bro.
  • 1 1
 ya, pretty much just stop being pussies
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 @boomforeal: hahahahah how are your taxes treating you?
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 @dyer91: Thanks for asking; I have no complaints. U.S. federal income tax brackets range from 10% to 37% for individuals. In Canada, the range is 15% to 33%. In the U.S., the lowest tax bracket for the tax year ending 2019 is 10% for an individual earning $9,700 and jumps to 22% for those earning $39,476. The corresponding bottom Canadian bracket stays at 15% until $47,630.
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 @boomforeal: that depressing. I’m f*cked either way... 32% in the states. Also you fail to add in provincial taxes. That bumps the combined to anywhere from 45%-53% combined. I only pay about 36% combined with my federal i factor in my average tax return with medical expense etc it’s a wash. In North America I’d say for the most part it’s a wash comparing health care systems. Both systems have pros and cons. You can make arguments both ways on this and obviously we’re all to pig headed to have a productive conversation on the topic so maybe we should all just accept that we have opposing views and the extremists on each side aren’t willing to budge. So maybe we should all just drop it and go drop in at our own risks.
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 @fattyheadshok: You might be right, although a number of people in comments above say that wasn’t the case for them. All debt was forgiven. Then there was another who said he’s got problems. I doubt any of them are lying, but it’s certainly more complex than, “You’re going to go bankrupt and die in debt.”
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 @TheR: Most people won't go bankrupt and die in debt of course however it should be unacceptable for even a single person to go bankrupt and die in debt due to medical issues. It is a real possibility in the USA though, it happens to hundreds of thousands of people every year (an estimated 530,000 bankruptcies a year due to medical debts, about one in every 620 Americans) and whether it happens or not is at the whim of a company who's profit margin rests in making sure that it does happen by finding away to deny your insurance claim.

I don't understand how people can do the mental gymnastics necessary to defend those companies and decide that people should probably just accept that somebody else's profit is more important than their family's lives.

Have a look into Phil Gaimon (road cyclist)'s recent crash and recovery. He had to go to a non-network hospital to get treatment despite having excellent insurance and is now hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtH342YD_g0


Look into the stories of people saying to their hospital or insurance company "could I have an itemised bill?" and the bill coming down by tens of thousands of dollars because they are literally charging sick and dying people thousands of dollars for doing nothing. This is a "Life Pro Tip" for dealing with insurance companies that shows just how evil they are.
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 @Patrick9-32: Look, I never said out system was perfect. But "it's unacceptable for even a single person to (fill in the blank)" is not a reasonable or acceptable argument for any circumstance, because there are always trade-offs in any given situation. Not a single person should die from waiting for treatment the government-run health care systems deem non-essential. And yet, some inevitably do. But you have made a trade-off for whatever benefits your system has to offer.

Again, I didn't say our system was perfect. Improvements can be made. Are insurance companies the main source of the problem? Hell yes. Do I think the answer lies in government-run health care? Hell no.

Do I have a problem with your healthcare system, or the one in Canada? No. First, it doesn't affect me, so I'm not about to make it my business, and therefore also don't understand why you give a shit about ours at all. Second, millions of people seem to be getting on well with it, so go for it -- do what you do. But don't tell me yours is absolutely perfect, either. Millions of people are getting on well with ours, too, and we have some of the best research hospitals in the world as a result.

Do I find the moral pontificating and finger-wagging from people who are ill-informed and who have no stake in our game at all irritating? Absolutely. It's insufferable.
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 @TheR: You’ve all missed the root of the problem. It’s not health insurers, for-profit hospitals, single-payer system, or anything like that. It’s the fact that the whole system is, intentionally or not, designed to keep people sick. All pharmaceuticals are toxic and in the beginning were only ever intended when the benefits and damage outweighed the risk. That’s not as much the case anymore (listen to the disclaimer at the ends of those ads). Doctors, whether in a single-payer system or not, generally only get paid when they see a patient. And they only see people that need (or think they need) to be seen. It’s a terrible incentive.

But even that is only a symptom of the real problem—were eating ourselves to death with non-nutritious, processed food. And just because you’re skinny doesn’t mean your healthy. Go get your cholesterol and inflammatory markers checked. Chances are, you’re on your way to heart disease or cancer just like the textbook obese person. Exercise helps, but it’s only part of the equation.
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 @gnarlysipes: really? What are you in Fat pride group? You are very nutritionally woke
  • 1 0
 @gnarlysipes: pretty much
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 @pourquois-pas: there is so much to dissect here if we want to get real. My comment was just a fact to support the likely written with tongue in cheek comment that started this thread. But really, hospitals for profit charge way to much, insurance companies charge way to much and then don’t cover a lot of illnesses. People go in and use emergency services for way to many non emergency issues, I have worked in the E.R. briefly. Government run healthcare would likely also be a disaster as the government seems pretty inept and corrupt. I don’t even know where to start. I just know where I live, and as of right now the hospitals are wide open for care. There are some small covid-19 sections that are well isolated, but the general hospitals are empty relatively. That doesn’t mean you should try to break your arm, but it makes me less guilty trying to ride with gusto and practice my manuals. Cheers.
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 @Yetimike2019: good points.

Just want to clarify that government does not provide healthcare services in Canada. At all. Zero.

Staff in hospitals work for non-profit corporations that report into some sort of publicly funded governing body and ultimately to a minister of health (each province is slightly unique in governance) while doctors are self-employed for-profit corporations. Ancillary health services are all for profit businesses, including Physio, optical, dental and therapeutic care.

Care providers then bill fees to either the provincial public insurance program if it is a covered service or the patients private insurance if not, lastly the patient may be billed directly.

It’s a hugely misleading, propaganda essentially, when people who are against public healthcare argue against because of “government mismanagement“. Government writes checks and sets fee schedules, essentially the role played by private insurance in other systems (and big parts of ours)... I’m not going to argue which does a “better” job.
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 @pourquois-pas: Well that’s system your describing sounds better to meWink .I will definitely do some actual research on that’s system as I only have 20 more years until I retire to Squamish. Here’s hoping I don’t have to spend my life’s saving on a basic medical procedure that happens to not be covered by my “gold” health plan.
  • 1 0
 @JohanG: So I take it you've had a medical education education, otherwise you'd be guilty of running your mouth about diseases you know nothing about?
  • 70 12
 Where's the filtering tab for "Pinkbike Medical Advice" ???
  • 9 2
 thanks, my thought excactly.
  • 23 1
 Right next to the filters for “looks like a session”, “where is the grim donut”, and something something about Dick Pound.
  • 30 8
 You can filter out Pinkbike Medical Advise by not clicking on it. Smile
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 @CircusMaximus: Hey don't diss our lord and savior
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flag Golden-G (May 11, 2020 at 17:33) (Below Threshold)
 @brianpark: stick to biking.
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 Asymptomatic spreaders are the majority of infected. It is proving to be highly infectious but mortality is confined to certain groups - aged and underlying conditions (which vary, depending on how the disease presents itself).

So if you have an incident, fuel up, etc, etc and aren't careful there's risk of transmission. May not directly affect you, but the person you encounter may pass it to someone very dear to them.

My wife (nurse) was exposed and we've been recently quarantined, but not after having dropped off some supplies to her 80yo mother. Bit tense in our family right now... even very low odds are very bad odds when they're close.

Thought you should know there are real people where you see rhetoric.
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 Not that anything you said is false, but you do realize you’re simply describing life, right? The transmission of invisible things 24/7 that could potentially harm someone. Yet, this is also how humans grow a strong immune system. So to try and avoid this somehow is not only impossible, but very bad for your immune system. Double edged sword in a situation like this.
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: I totally understand that... and suspect two major outcomes from this all will be 1. Rampant allergies as we further sterilize kids’ environments, and 2. The next pandemic will be worse (effectively flattening this one will make people skeptics next time).

The difference between today and “normal” is that the risk you mention is, normally, understood and manageable. Most communicable diseases have treatment and some level of herd immunity or they’re not so severe as to possibly cause massive adverse reaction or death (common cold) except in very rare cases.

Analogy time: there is now an ever-present chance someone is going to go unhinged and commit an act of mass domestic terrorism. But we generally pursue our lives without this fear guiding our every decision. We shop, go to movies, attend concerts. Maybe you take a second look around for cover locations. Maybe you don’t choose floor seats that are far from exits. But you/we generally take incredibly small steps to avoid the risk... really, what can we do to stop it as individuals? We live or life, as we’re told, don’t let fear control. Now, let’s say you have tickets to a football game and you know there is an active shooter inside. There’s 80,000 people. You’ll probably be fine. Do you just casually walk to your seat and hope to enjoy the game? Pick up a few scalped tickets to bring the whole family?

Not a perfect analogy, but I’m still on my first cup of coffee for the day...
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 @pourquois-pas: Agreed, looking at all the manipulated, ignorant Trump supporters carrying their guns, along with all the conspiracies and lack of trust in government. It won't likely be just one person, but a group of Trump's most die hard cult supporters who will act out too fulfill the desire for conflict that Trump has instilled in them.

theintercept.com/2020/05/07/are-trump-and-the-anti-lockdown-militias-itching-for-violence

Likely ugly times ahead but these American terrorists will be easily taken care of with drones should they ever start to congregate and start a movement of some sort. Most of these Trump terrorists don't realize that they effectively gave up their 2nd amendment rights when they let the government develop an army of drones after 9/11, but in due time they'll figure it out the hard way.
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 @pourquois-pas: Indeed, and this only proves the importance of living a healthy lifestyle that promotes a strong immune system. Stay away from sugar/alcohol, exercise regularly, and get lots of sleep.

Love the neg props on my comment above simply describing how the human immune system works. Nothing better than triggering science deniers Smile
  • 5 2
 My wife is a physician and everyone single one of her dozens of colleagues think the whole situation is being politicized rather than being factually reported. Every single one... Yes old people die, sometimes of a stiff breeze, and yes that is sad for the family but it's also life.
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 @Beez177: I doubt that you are being honest, the health care workers I know all say it's much worse than the flu, and it clearly has killed or compromised more than just old people.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/%3foutputType=amp

When the 1918 pandemic happened nobody could figure out why the 2nd wave was so much more deadly than the first. I have a feeling history will repeat itself.
  • 2 1
 @DoubleCrownAddict: yeah I'm lying..
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: Are you really quoting the Washington Post???
Haha, now it all makes sense! Stop reading liberal rags! Are you going to quote the National Enquirer next? LMAO!
  • 2 1
 @Beez177: Don’t feed the troll. That’s nothing, he’s linked China Daily and opinion bloggers as “sources” regarding covid.
  • 2 1
 @Beez177: whatever, you can't disprove anything they say, they have many of the best journalists out there. Fox news is the main source of misleading Americans, you're better off watching no news at all.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5%3famp
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: “whatever, you can't disprove anything they say”
That’s funny considering they’ve been wrong about every major story the past 4 years.

The President is a Russian spy
Wikileaks and Hilary emails
Jesse Smollett fake hate crime
Covington student
Quid pro quo
Travel bans bc of racism
General Flynn framed by FBI

Yes, all legacy media is trash, fox/nbc/abc/cnn and definitely WP. But because of your glaringly obvious bias, you choose to latch onto fox, which no one mentioned. Don’t read the quote below, it will trigger your TDS Smile

“The now-outed CIA and FBI informant Stefan Halper served as a source for Washington Post reporter David Ignatius, providing more evidence that the intelligence community has co-opted the press to push anti-Trump conspiracy theories.”
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: I don't watch Fox news!
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 @Off-my-lawn-hippie: oh come one mate. He doesn’t watch Fox News, according to Trump they are “unfair” now. He likely gets his news from the source... Trumps Tweets. Lol
  • 28 4
 Riding injuries puts added pressure on any A&E regardless of Covid19. The same as any injury does from any walk of life. Fact is A&Es havent been that busy at all. One of my relatives broke their foot recently and were in and out in 1.5 hours!! People have the right to excerise in anyway they see fit as long as they are not doing anything illegal.
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 Your bog standard a&e isn’t the same as the ICU and associate staff.
  • 5 1
 My sister works as a junior Dr in a Covid ward and says the rest of the hospital, particularly A&E, has never been so quiet. Similar story across the UK it would appear.
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 @phonk7: Very much so.
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 Yeah we never hear about those types of stories in popular media.
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 @phonk7: I'm hearing the same on this side of the pond. My sister works in an ER (Yankee version of A&E) in North Carolina and it may as well be a library. Very quiet and everyone is sitting around reading books.
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 @bocomtb: Thats exactly what we are hearing over here in UK. Mainstream media dont report that but most departments are quieter than ever apparantly.
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 @phonk7: Yes, A&E may be quieter, but that is comparable to it being in its overwhelmed and under resourced state it is normally in. Saying the 'rest of the hospital' is quiet is not a good thing, cancer patients are still dying and if they are not attending hospital due to COVID-19 then that isn't a positive. Let's not be niave or selfish.
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 @stuartpenney: I mean 'quiet' in absolute as well as relative terms - a couple of other friends, a nurse and another junior doctor, working in a different hospital corroborate this. Notwithstanding the brief flare up in drunken and disorderly admissions on V.E. day, A&E appears to be seeing well below capacity admission rates. I absolutely agree that the quietness of hospitals is by no means a good thing, in fact around a third (roughly 3500 of 11,000 total) of excess deaths, measured on a weekly basis, in the UK over the last few are postulated to be caused by the severe affect this is having on diagnosis and treatment of non-Covid related conditions.
The particular and pertinent question for us in this forum, is whether drastically altering our risk-calculus with respect to riding, riding more cautiously and in less demanding environments, is necessary or even helpful. If it is true that hospitals are at no immediate risk of being overwhelmed and are, in fact, operating at levels significantly below normal, what are we actually seeking to achieve by adopting such a cautious attitude?
  • 25 1
 Don't stop to refuel on your way to the trails if you're driving. Do it some other time instead for some reason.
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 Yeah, I didn’t get how that would make any difference
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 Pretty sure she meant getting fuel at a station close to home and not one in a completely different area.
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 @bananowy: Except that step 2 in the video says stay local, so not sure how your logic works there.
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 @commental: I don't have time to re-watch but didn't step 2 say stay local "if possible"? Ignore me if not. And it's not "my logic" but me trying to guess "their logic". Let's try to apply this to the current guidelines for England as of last Sunday. It's fine to drive for exercise anywhere within the country, but you should keep your distance and safety measures. Which is easier to do in the middle of the woods than in the close space of a service station when you go inside to pay, pass other people in there, touch stuff etc. I don't think our guidelines specify anything about refuelling, but that's what I think PB meant.
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 Preliminary studies indicate obesity (behind age) is the second most significant factor in COVID19 hospitalizations. If your healthcare system has capacity be sure to get out and ride like you normally would. Inactivity places far greater stress on healthcare systems than the hospitalization rate for mountain bikers.
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 Yeah this is going to sounds callous, but a fair amount of the people who are at risk are at risk because of how they have chosen to live their lives. The elderly are a different story.
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 @Dogl0rd: you obviously live a lucky and sheltered life.
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 @Spin84: you're half right, served my country for 12 years son
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 @Dogl0rd: Thank you for your service, glad you get slightly compensated with good insurance through USAA. My wife was a teacher for 10yrs, got sick (no fault of her own), lost her job and thus insurance. She was fighting for her life before covid. This is bigger than being old and lucky.
  • 3 1
 @Spin84: usaa doesn't give free insurance what are you talking about and what does that have to do with my comment
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 @Dogl0rd: USAA has good not free insurance. I bring it up because you brought up your service. My wife also served this country as a public school teacher, she does not have access to affordable insurance, lived a incredibly healthy life (to your comment) before getting sick and is at high risk to covid. My point is, it's not as simple as life choice and being elderly.
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 @Spin84: I'm sorry about your wife man. Being a teacher is a service, I agree. I didn't say that all people who are at risk aren't taking care of themselves, I said "a fair amount." And I'm not better than anyone for having served. I brought up my service only to defend against your comment that I am sheltered.

Bottom line is a lot of Americans don't take care of themselves and it's a shame. That's all I was saying. It's the truth even if people don't want to hear it. I'm happy to stay inside and off my bike if it will protect critical medical services, but it's ironic to be told to not do a black diamond trail because it will put couch potatoes at risk. The at risk population is a nuanced and varied group. There's a portion of it that does not appreciate your sacrifice of not riding and a portion of it that we have a moral obligation to protect.
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 @Dogl0rd: Thank you for your words and understanding. I agree too many people take their health for granted. And some people don't get the choice. take care and be safe.
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 @Spin84: you too bud, sorry if I can across poorly. Be safe
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 @Spin84: came across*
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 Riding during COVID

Me: "Rider Up!!!!! Just me bro."

Him: "12 more behind"
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 Rule number 1: never ski or snowboard alone.
Rule number 1: never mountain bike alone.

Christina: hold my beer...
  • 18 4
 health resources in local communities aren't challenge. most are actively laying people off. bellingham is at 30% capacity or less. Pinkbike, it's about time you updated your disclaimer to get in line with reality.

Telling people not to crash is only going to make them ride with fear and make more mistakes. That's like saying "don't stare at the sun. don't stare at the sun. don't stare at the sun.". now you're thinking about staring at the sun instead focusing on what matters.
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 I crash more when I ride slower than normal, ha. But yes, now is actually a fantastic time to get hurt, as far as the quality and timeliness of getting treated goes (not to mention keeping doctors and nurses at work). Our local hospitals have never been quieter.
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 IFHT "How to be a..." vibe is strong.
  • 13 0
 well doesn't Jason work there now
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 I have to watch this video... yesterday I was riding and there was a bunch of CoroVID-19s standing on a kicker to hide my view so I missed the lending and now I am all bruised and beaten…

Go out and ride your f-ing bike like usual and show some sanity when everybody is fricking out. Stay safe... I mean don't crash to much.
  • 12 0
 Christina is a good host, and this is a useful and somewhat entertaining reminder to use common sense.
  • 11 0
 Comments section should be entertaining.
  • 6 2
 Fill your water with blea....! Please don’t Madder
  • 10 1
 Woah, political debate!
And I just came here hoping @christinachappetta might call me on the banana phone. Let me know if that sounds ‘appealing’!?
  • 10 1
 How to mountain bike safely during COVID:

Wash your hands, ride your bike.
  • 16 2
 Funny, during the lockdown it was the exact opposite!
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 @audioshnoll: Wash your bike and ride your hands?
Lots of that going on.
  • 6 1
 @Allen82: How rude is that, you're getting all the props just for explaining my joke! Razz
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 @audioshnoll: haha sorry dude
  • 6 0
 I feel like they missed the 3 most important points:
1) Don’t climb up popular descending trails.
2) don’t stop on the climbing road and spread your shit out everywhere so I clip one of your bro’s trying to navigate all through your shit when there is a 12’ wide road.
3) Don’t climb up popular descending trails jackass.

Actually these seem like good tips no matter the covid status.
  • 17 8
 hospital are pretty empty this covid is bullshit go ride your bike
  • 4 0
 The only difference this spring for me have been that I don't shake hands with my riding buddies when we meet at the trail. Then again we in Sweden are aiming for "they call it the herd" as president Trump so exquisitely explained.
  • 6 1
 If i try to ride "safe" i usually crash, stay focused and dont think too much -easy. (Furthermore Hospitals are pretty much empty around here).
  • 7 4
 Everyone seems to forget the other issues with going for a ride during Covid, car accidents and cross contamination if you stop anywhere. Which is why stay at home orders were put in place because even if you don’t have symptoms you could still be a carrier.
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 As much as I want to ride, I havent because I dont want to add to this problem. I see so many others sacrificing just a little to try and make a difference to the whole, because ya know, one little silly mistake, one interaction with the wrong person, and someone is now mourning their family. Completely avoidable.

But, I drive past trailheads and they are full, cars parked up the road, everyone hanging out, displaying the kind of behaviour of a bunch of redneck teenagers who dont give a f***. Truly sad and disappointing, giving us all a shitty reputation. Karma isn't forgiving, so I wish them all luck.
  • 6 6
 Some people see through the BS, some can't. If you think karma will spare those who choose willful ignorance you are mistaken.
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 @ashlemon: Tell that to someone that just lost their parent.
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flag ashlemon (May 11, 2020 at 14:20) (Below Threshold)
 @noplacelikeloam: Life is fatal 100% of the time. You are not guaranteed your next breath. Covid hysteria is a psyop.
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 @noplacelikeloam: “I drive past trailheads..”

One simple mistake while driving and someone is “mourning a family member” as you said. Can you please tell me why you’re driving? Literally one of the most dangerous things you can do.
  • 7 1
 This turned into a politibike debate REAL fast.
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 Its America, we are good at it. ;-)
  • 4 0
 I rode too chill last week, on a trail iv ridden allot very close to home. im pretty sure i have a cracked rib now. Too chill sucks.
  • 13 11
 Pathetic!!! Hospitals are EMPTY!!!! This whole thing is BULLSHIT!!! Hospital staff are getting laid off, or on reduced schedules. Doctors and surgeons are making 25% of their usual income. Shame on Pinkbike for pushing this garbage.
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 @ashlemon: I have seen it! Thanks holmes! Keep spreading the truth.
  • 5 3
 Plenty of available beds I know for a fact the lock OR is running at max capacity locally (somewhere in BC). Precautions in place due to the pandemic (necessary minimum air exchanges between cases, some rooms converted to negative pressure which are only used for covid positive) limit throughput, but until very recently that was a good thing due to lack of ppe (many people had to be fit for n95 equivalent since stocks of n95 were precariously low in certain sizes). N95 aren't some special mask only used in pandemics.

I know of a sports injury case that bumped a cancer related case. Completely avoidable injury.
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flag Golden-G (May 11, 2020 at 19:55) (Below Threshold)
 @eh-steve: dude...nobody was in any state of good health is dying from this bullshit. Nobody. Only seniors with previously existing pathologies are dying. I am so sick of the lies, fear, ignorance and outright stupidity dictating my freedoms. Think for yourself or shut up.
  • 6 2
 The thing about hospitals is that 1. They’re empty before they’re not, and 2. Are a great place for one case in a too-busy ER to turn into a new cluster.
  • 9 2
 @Golden-G: yeah, no healthy people are dying except all the ones who are. But you clearly have some special expertise conferred upon you by your selfishness and butthurt.
  • 2 2
 @DrPete: Since you are a doctor, you can probably figure out what this article is saying - can you figure out the implications?

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1.full.pdf
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 @Golden-G: ignoring your false premise (no one healthy dying), the lack of ppe and lack of throughput in the OR is a thing, which means getting and avoidable injury that requires an operation is putting unneeded strain on the system. Imagine there was no coronavirus, but supply chains limited the required resources for surgeries (or some other temporary reason like staffing issues whatever). If the public is asked to be careful, because the healthcare system is in a tough place, would you still be ranting about unfair limitations?

You can ride, just don't pretend you are Jordie Lunn.
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 @ashlemon:
That's a childish response.

Tons of other sources for criticism of that paper. That was the first one on Google that covered the important stuff (such as selection bias, issues with the test used etc). Anyone with first year stats would shake their head at the selection process.

Are you are seeking confirmation bias or a balance? Read the criticisms (from somewhere you can stomach) and decide for yourself.
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flag ashlemon (May 11, 2020 at 23:14) (Below Threshold)
 @eh-steve: I have read the criticisms, they are conjecture - there are certainly problems with the tests. In fact, there are major problems with the entire germ theory of disease, but there are many many collaborating points of data coming out that substantiate the Stanford research, which is fundamentally strong in my opinion. Watch these, as well as the interview with Dr. Erickson above..

www.bitchute.com/video/UBFi2Xt4d2oR
www.bitchute.com/video/soXhEdm8Fwqu
www.bitchute.com/video/h8rMayEZXpWn

Bottom line, this virus is way less lethal than anything that would justify the sudden stop of the global economy and continued draconian "lockdown". There is obviously an ulterior motive by a global supra-national power structure that is clearly making a play for a global technological police state, based on the China model.
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 @DrPete: more healthy people have committed suicide during the same period than have died from corona. That is a verifiable fact. The economic policies of our corrupt governments are and will be FAR more devastating than any virus will ever be. Old people die. Average age of deceased is 80!!!! 150,000 people die every single month from tuberculosis, 90,000 die every month from the measles, no lock down for either of those two extremely lethal and contagious diseases... you are indoctrinated....
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 @Golden-G: pro tip: a number pulled out of your rectum is not a “verifiable fact.”
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 @ashlemon: funny how only the studies that disagree with your opinion are the product of conspiracies. Let’s ignore that the real global elite are calling from their private luxury bunkers for the peasants to get back to work because they’re losing money.

Regardless, thanks for the masterclass in confirmation bias.
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 @Golden-G: Just read an interesting article from behavioral health experts who are concerned that there may be as many as 75000 suicides and ODs--TOTAL--over the course of the pandemic. We are at 80,000 COVID-19 cases and counting. As for your TB and measles numbers, those are inflated for the entire world, much less North America, and you seem to forget that there is such a thing as a measles vaccine that has all but eradicated the disease, except among those too stupid and selfish to listen to public health officials. There is also a large public health effort to fight TB, and those numbers would be much worse than without those programs.

I'm sorry that you're inconvenienced by what public health officials recommend we do about COVID, but your biases are on full display and it's clear that you care more about protesting anything the government does than actually considering the basis of their recommendations. I'm surprised to see the canadian flag by your user name because I thought only americans would protest if a government scientist said that water is made of hydrogen and oxygen.
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 @DrPete: the numbers on tuberculosis and measles are taken DIRECTLY from the WHO website. You fail to consider whom is benefiting from this. Pharmaceutical corporations are NOT benevolent institutions. They only care about profits and as such are incentivized to not only make the population sick but to KEEP them sick. The CDC is not the Centre for Disease Elimination but rather control... the higher the level of education, the higher the level of indoctrination. You clearly are oblivious to what should be obvious. This is not a natural event. This is an engineered event to benefit only the biggest corporations and further the control of big governments over the population. It’s NOT about a virus.
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 @DrPete: suicide numbers in my local far exceed corona deaths. How many healthy productive people have killed themselves, beaten their wives and kids as a result of economic loss?? My business has been completely whipped out by the shutdown.
According to the US Federal government, for every 1% increase in the unemployment rate, 40,000 people lose their lives. With 25% unemployment rate on the horizon, that makes 1,000,000 people dead. Corona is a flu.
  • 5 0
 This whole panic has been a scam.
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 @JohanG: absolutely!
  • 4 2
 Holy damn Pinkbike... can you please mark it as “child friendly content”? Really? My boss keeps telling me that Most of my problems come from too much trust in humanity, but I do feel like this is material for utter idiots. It reminded me of that one time I watched Tyra Banks show at 2am when she was talking about what is ok to do on Facebook. Breaking up through facebook NOT OK!

Please make it into Bill Mahers “New Rule!”
  • 7 2
 You should follow the CDC recommendations and not wear a mask.
  • 5 1
 Who isn't already washing their gloves ya filthy bastards? And I can get down with the snot rocket thing. Shit's gross.
  • 4 1
 We are definitely all in trouble. If not for the problems facing the World, then for us all fighting and arguing over the problems facing the World.
  • 2 0
 Haha, awesome vid. Still confused on that pruvinshield and killawmidder thing, but I get the gist I think. Really like the "not too chill" part -- caught myself doing that at times.
  • 4 0
 Just came here to see healthcare systems outside of the US be called “socialist”. Was not disappointed.
  • 5 2
 Great pointers that it seems no-one in Squamish is following.
  • 4 4
 A couple months late on this, Pinkbike. Not that the video is helpful at all, but if it was going to serve a purpose it seems like back in March would have been the time. Give us some creative content!
  • 2 0
 Hooray for New Zealand being on top of their shit and letting us ride in level 3!
  • 2 0
 Who's got time to read this oya non essential workers bitching when they should riding.
  • 1 0
 Anybody know what / when / how Whistler is going to be handling this during the upcoming season?
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 They might open but the us Canada boxer might not open. I can see that happening but if international boxers reopens I don't see how the social distancing in lift lines and village can be enforced. Maybe smaller bike park, whistler I don't think so.
  • 2 0
 The intersection scenario was so damn Canadian.
  • 2 0
 when in Canada. Canadians first.
  • 1 0
 so.. ride cautiously but not cautiously because your bike might feel.. weird?? huh..
  • 2 0
 not too*
  • 2 1
 Is it a coincidence that Richard Cunningham left Pinkbike and most of the quality content with him?
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 Also, you should ride with the very basics of protection, which includes a helmet, knees and GLOVES. Wink
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 The amount of helmet-less department store bike riders on my trails these days is getting out of hand.
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 @jesse-effing-edwards: Darwinism at work? Teasing aside, people start somewhere in our rad sport, hopefully with some guidance they can get sorted.
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 @jesse-effing-edwards: very true, many helmetless department store riders on the road too. But they have the biggest grins on their faces having rediscovered the joy of riding a bike.
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 @kingbike2 @wasea04 while I can totally get behind people finding the support, our local trails were already mixed use and busy, so I'm scared now it'll reach a critical mass which may result in closures or dumbing down. If these people stay with the sport it'll help grow it, but if they just spend one boring year ripping skinnies with no helmet only to bail on the sport when they can smoke doobs in their friend's bedroom again while leaving a bad taste in city officials' mouths, I'll be less stoked.
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 You can downvote me all you like, but making this vid without wearing gloves and not pointing out the benefits of helmets, kneepads and gloves is a major omission. I know it's trendy to not wear gloves, but IMO it's a questionable choice and also a poor choice as far as making a covid-biking video. Most races require this as an absolute minimum, it's not just me that thinks it's a good idea to wear some protective gear.
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 @jesse-effing-edwards: I reread your original post more carefully. Riding Helmetless on trails is so wrong that it didn’t register. I tend to mind my own business but I probably would have gently suggested that it’s a bad idea.
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 @kingbike2: There are so many helmet-free riders I'd have to spend have my own ride lecturing people on the benefits of head protection when engaged in risk activities.

@davec113 I'm blown away by how many people ride without eye protection.
  • 1 0
 Waiting for the best picture of a bike equipped with a face mask
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 Does anyone knows when DVO ONYX DC 29er will comw to market ?
  • 9 8
 Yay politics on pinkbike. What a great idea.
  • 7 4
 We need another transgender professional athlete article... It's been too long.
  • 3 1
 has anyone called it a h-o-a-x yet?
  • 3 0
 Wait, how on earth is this vid political in any way shape or form? What am I missing?
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 @bananowy: you're correct, its not. There isn't a single political statement other than "check your local laws and regulations". Nearly everything now seemingly needs to be clearly divided into snowflake-sheeple-socialism-brainwashed or nationalist-illuminati-MKUltra-brainwashed. Its a bummer because I feel like most bikers would be friends otherwise.
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 @twozerosix: Yup... Anytime politics is brought up on the climbs or while shuttling I just bow out.
  • 2 1
 Don’t stop for gas along the way to the trail? Wtf?!?!
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 oh god, there’s no way I can watch this and not be irritated. Off for a ride.
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 I accept your good intentions, and will outrightly reject your methods...we're all going to die, I simply refuse to live in fear until that day inevitably arrives. May we all live well and live long, and in that order!
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 Oops
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 Still sending
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 Valley stay home. Don't come to Santa Cruz.
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 Just a friendly note (I get it!) I think there's been a fair amount of visitors from over the hill coming to ride Santa Clara Co. trails these past few weeks, too. As a result, I've been mostly riding on the road or the few trails I know won't be congested (locally). Side note, generally the entire world all of a sudden discovering bikes are fun and flooding the trails is super irritating. Not to mention all the e-bikes that have emerged.
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 @sunnycovemtb: In the past week I've contested with SunRon Ebikes, Quads, 450's and Onewheels out on my local trail network. This is not even taking into account the near doubling of hikers and MTB users on these trails. If the sun comes out the trails are flooded such that you can't go a quarter mile without having to dismount and yield for other users. Etiquette has gone out the door, I've been pushed of the trail climbing by high speed downhill traffic more in these past weeks than ever before. Riding under these conditions defeats all of the reasons I ride in the first place.
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 @amresearch: Way to keep reminding everyone to ride Santa Cruz. Has your fix of, "gotta tell everybody where I'm from so they think I shred," been taken care of? Good. Now go hit the flow trail for the 5th time in a row and leave the riding and NOT typing about Santa Cruz to the big boys.
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 @BuildSendRinseRepeat: I am not from here. I live here. I'm not normally a "locs only" type of person. This is the American west. we are supposed to head west. Manifest Destiney or whatever. But I can leave the house or the shop and be on dirt in five minutes.

State Parks lots and beaches are closed. Yet every highway turnout is packed with cars. People are traveling from densely populated areas to small towns for recreation. Its unsafe.

Is that more clear, big boy?
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 @sunnycovemtb: OMG tell me about it. My local valley system has never been this busy in my whole life, and yet the parking lots are all closed. Sefishly, I hope they all go back to their friend's houses and brunch spots on the weekend, cause it's getting ridiculous in there. Where were these people 8 weeks ago when our weather was the same??
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 @sunnycovemtb: No one from Santa Cruz county willingly goes to Santa Clara county other than for work.
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 @CropDustin: I have been sneaking from Santa Clara over to Campus though. If I could only find a job in Santa Cruz I would move there, though I think your traffic is worse than ours at certain times.
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 @Yetimike2019: OK... you're only making our point for us... shelter in your own county and keep in mind our traffic is only bad because millions of you Valleys flood our town from over the hill and treat Santa Cruz like your own personal playground.. trash the beaches/trails and then drive home leaving the locals to clean up the mess.
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 @Yetimike2019: You're traveling. You're adding to the problem. You're not sneaking in. You're not an exception.
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 @CropDustin: I'm all about going over the hill to scruz. BUT, Santa Cruz County has been really restrictive of late. Writing $1000 tickets to out of towners then bragging about it. Or telling people "beach is closed, surf is open" when other state restrictions have been relaxed. Reminds me of The Hepcat, "Open season...is Closed".
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 @amresearch: SMH... These people will never get it... meanwhile locals get punished by the stupidity of Valleys.
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 @ian408: Good... It sounds like you should shelter in place to me... I'm glad our town and county are starting to realize the destructive nature of millions of tourists that overcrowd and trash our town in the name of a good time.
  • 3 1
 @CropDustin: Santa Cruz County needs to get rid of all the addicts, not the tourists.
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 @amresearch: lol yes I have infected many people and crashed multiple times on the highway.
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 @CropDustin: honestly that’s tourists period. Honesty, no one complains when I’m out there with my chainsaw or tools. If I were to show any symptoms, or if I had any contact with other people than my immediate family, I wouldn’t be outside period. I’m wearing a mask until I get deep into the trails. I’m not there during crowded times or days. I don’t trash beaches and guess what, I was born in SC. The County has the right to ticket me for sure, but you have no claim to public lands or trails just because of your location. Not trying to argue that I’m in the right, or sheltering in place didn’t serve its purpose, but I don’t think SC will even notice me next time I’m there lol. You should consider yourself lucky if you are near awesome riding and don’t have to travel, many of us aren’t that lucky. I’m weak, I love riding and I promise I won’t cough on you.
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 Just send it
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 Just ask Remi. The ambassador of risk taking.
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 Deleted my comment? Lol smh, your ego strikes again
  • 3 1
 No one's deleting any comments. How in the world have you been on Pinkbike for years and not discovered the "below threshold" section, especially since you seem to end up down there a lot?? And hint: it was other users who got you there, not the authors of any of the articles you whined about.
  • 2 5
 The 90s called,they want their glasses back
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