Race Face Offers Standalone Vault J-Bend Hub

Jan 17, 2018 at 16:14
by Race Face  

Since the release of our durable, high engagement, straight pull Vault Hub on the Turbine R and Next R wheels, riders and dealers have been asking for an option to build their own wheels with Race Face Vault. With custom wheel options booming, and riders desiring reliable hub options, we set to work putting our 3-degree engagement, stiffer hub flanges and longer lasting bearings into a package for specialty builds. And what better way to showcase the new Vault J-bend hub than with a bomber wheel build for Wade Simmons by master wheelbuilder Dave McInnes of The Bicycle Hub?

Vault J-Bend and Arc Rim launch

Vault J-Bend and Arc Rim launch

With the same key features as our straight pull Vault hubs on Turbine R and Next R, the Vault J-Bend hub brings high 3 degree engagement for quick action from pedal to hub, stiffer flanges for better power transfer, larger bearings and improved labyrinth seals for increased durability and tool-free end-caps and cassette bodies to allow for easy hub configuration changes – now with a traditional J-Bend spoke option!

Vault J-Bend and Arc Rim launch

Vault J-Bend and Arc Rim launch

Pair them with new ARC Carbon or ARC Aluminum Rims and your options are endless.

Vault J-Bend and Arc Rim launch
Vault J-Bend and Arc Rim launch

Vault J-Bend and Arc Rim launch

Pricing
Vault Front Hub: $174.99 USD MSRP
Vault Rear Hub: $324.99 USD MSRP

Weight
Vault Front Hub: 177g
Vault Rear Hub: 305g (in lightest configuration)

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Pre-Built Vault J-Bend Hub Configurations:

• 412J Vault 15x100 32H BLK
• 414J Vault 15x110 BOOST 32H BLK
• 414J Vault 15x110 BOOST 28H BLK
• 421J Vault 12x142 32H SHI BLK
• 421J Vault 12x142 32H XD BLK
• 424J Vault 12x148 BOOST 32H SHI BLK
• 424J Vault 12x148 BOOST 32H XD BLK
• 424J Vault 12x148 BOOST 28H SHI BLK
• 424J Vault 12x148 BOOST 28H XD BLK
• 422J Vault 12x150/157 32H SHI BLK
• 422J Vault 12x150/157 32H XD BLK
End Cap Options:

Front:
9x100 QR
15x100
15x110
20x110
15x100 Torque cap
15x110 Boost Torque cap
20x110 Boost

Rear:
12x142
12x148
12x150/157
12x150/157
10x135 QR
12x135 end cap


Check them out on raceface.com.

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182 Comments
  • 53 2
 Experience with mavic, stan's, and shimano goofy wheelset hubs have been unreliable and/or difficult to obtain service parts, so I avoid proprietary hubs. Good move RF, having the stand alone option brings some legitimacy to the hubs in the wheelsets. And it's cool to have more choices.
  • 25 0
 They don't look half bad either eh
  • 16 3
 Love RF. And the ARC wheels are fucking tight.
  • 13 5
 RF is competitive cost-wise too; $60 cheaper than i9, with only a 20-ish gram weight penalty and the same engagement.
  • 6 0
 I've had great luck these so far! Props to RF for keeping it real.
  • 28 1
 @High-Life: i9 is made in the US though. The raceface hubs made overseas should be a lot more than 60 bucks cheaper
  • 10 0
 @Soilsledding: You mean keeping it wheel?
  • 4 2
 @High-Life: you must be high to compare these two industry nine
  • 3 3
 @High-Life: Unfortunately I have had terrible experience with the ARC wheels, I've replaced three hoops last season alone.
  • 4 1
 @SingleTackKiller: your just growing up. i went through tons last season
  • 2 1
 @High-Life: HAHA no way, I9 is 400g for the set! Not even close. Made in USA and COLORS
  • 1 1
 @MrDiamondDave:
From the I9 website: Weight: Front hub 150-155g, Rear hub 260-280g
410-435g/hubset
MSRP: $575

industrynine.com/torch-classic-mtb-hubs/classic-j-bend-iso-6-bolt-hub
  • 1 1
 @OTBSteve: which is still lighter than 500 grams
  • 1 1
 @MrDiamondDave: As are these 482g, so the I9's are 47g lighter than the Vault.
  • 1 1
 @OTBSteve: Center lock 390-400g/hubset or 6 bolt hubs 410-435g/hubset
  • 1 1
 NT
  • 20 1
 Check your hub flange widths, 110 should be wider than 100 hub and 148, 150, 157 should be wider than your old 135 and 142 hub. If not, you just got scammed. Wider flange width is what makes a stiffer wheel, not a wider hub or axel.
  • 2 1
 Totally this.
  • 45 0
 Good question.

15x100 flange width 54.5mm
15x110 flange width 64.5mm (10mm wider)

12x142 flange width 53.5mm
12x148 flange width 59.5mm (6mm wider)
12x150/157 flange width 68.5 (9mm wider than boost, 15mm wider than 142)

See all hub dims here:
www.raceface.com/media/RF_Vault-Jbend-Hub-Dimensions.pdf
  • 7 0
 @raceface:

Can you please reply to my email about rear hub dimensions for the straight pull. It's been a month and I can't source Turbine R rims as they are out of stock. Or just write them here..
Thanks
  • 18 0
 @ollyman: We have sent you a message to get you the information and/or part that you need.
  • 11 0
 @raceface: professional and agreeable response. Thank you
  • 1 0
 @raceface: Thanks for the table. It should be noted (in the article, the .pdf is clear) that you offer both regular 20x110 and 20x110 boost front hubs.

Just wondering, are your hubs dimensioned such that if I use symmetric rims I'm getting equal (left and right) bracing angles hence if I'm using either asymmetric rims (like Ryde Trace) or asymmetric hub spacing (Syntace EVO6 or just old school Specialized) I'm messing the whole thing up?
  • 6 0
 @vinay: correct we do support the new 20x110 boost.
It should be stated that you can convert the 15x110 boost hub to 20x110 boost, but not 20x110 (older config)
You can convert 15x100 to 20x110 but not 20x110 boost or 15x110 boost.

We also support Torque caps for RS forks, as well as 10x135QR rear and 12x135 rear if those are needed.

The hubs are designed to maximize spoke bracing angles.
If you build with a rim that has 4.5mm offset (like the ARC Carbon in the video), on a boost front hub you should get zero dish (equal tension) and very low dish (almost equal tension ) on a 148 or 150/157 rear hub.

If build with a symmetric rim you will have better bracing angle but more traditional tension balance between sides.
  • 5 0
 @raceface: That is awesome. I always felt like 15mm was forced on me. In a world where I'm considering a new fork, who makes a 20mm 110 fork?
  • 2 0
 @alexsin: 20x110 is getting harder to find not in a DH duel crown fork. It looks like Fox still has some 36 forks in the line that will run 20x110 but the wheel size and travel is limited.

20x110Boost is only in the Fox 49er DH fork at the moment but I believe others are looking at this.
  • 2 2
 @alexsin: i felt like that too, I mean I still think it is a BS, but I’m Riding a 15mm 160/180 Lyrik since 2 years and couldn’t care less anymore.
  • 1 1
 @raceface: Sorry I only understand 2 significant figures, can you dumb that down for me?
  • 1 0
 You can still get the Fox 36 with the 15 or 20mm pinch bolt system, but not 27.5 unfortunately. I guess they only have 26 and 29 left in this configuration.
  • 1 0
 @raceface: and formula fork , rockshox had boost setup in cairns aswell on a few bikes ....
  • 1 0
 @raceface: The SR Suntour Durolux also still works with the "old style" 20x110 axle. And yes, Formula does the Boost version for their downhill forks.

Back in the days I was surprised to find out that 9x100 and 20x110 hubs use the same flange width so it hardly makes for a stronger wheel. Especially when they introduced 15x100. Understandably as part of the 110mm width goes into the dropout whereas with 9x100 this 100mm (OLD, over locknut dimension) is the actual width between the dropouts. Same like old 12x135 vs Syntace 12x142.

The front axle isn't quite subject to bending (which is usually the main reason to increase diameter) so the 20mm axle only improves torsional stiffness. And if the larger diameter also increases the cross sectional area it increases shear strength too but I've never seen one of those axles fail due to shear. Now really if bigger were better why didn't more people run 30mm axles like the Curnutt XTD forks? Even the 25mm axles like what the Specialized Enduro 2007 ran didn't really catch on. Increasing flange with probably does make for a stronger wheel so the 110mm wide boost forks are indeed an improvement. Yes I only have two (old style) 20x110 and no 15x100 but that's just because my forks are old Wink .
  • 1 0
 @vinay: yes 110x20 boost is an improvement. That and 157x12 and we're good. Black 32h. Keep it simple.
  • 1 0
 x fusion still has some 20mm axles too. I think the reason the larger axles didn't catch on is because the bearings were so heavy for cheap ones and the light ones were too light duty
  • 21 2
 Cool vid guys! Dave from the BicycleHub (a service only shop on the north shore) absolutely kills it on the tools and the bike! Not easy riding with Simmons in the tech! BicycleHub is where I choose to get my bikes serviced!!
  • 10 1
 This is the new best rear hub in my books!!!

Prices of High End Rear Hubs:

Industry9 - 120 POE - 270g -- 385 USD
Onyx - infinite POE - 445g -- 445 USD
Chris King - 72 POE - 336h -- 460 USD

Raceface - 120 POE - 305g -- 325 USD
  • 12 3
 If POE, weight, and $ were all that mattered we'd all be riding Kooser hubs.
  • 5 1
 King hubs seem like a luxury item until you ride them for a couple years. Their engagement, in my opinion, is the best out there and well worth the added cost. I am still mad that I finally bought a set 6 months before boost was created.
  • 2 1
 @scottzg: It's safe to assume that the ones I listed are reliable. The Koozer is a great inexpensive option for sure (I have one!)
  • 6 0
 @theminsta: Koozer is crap. The ratchet ring fails, I have seen it first hand. Low quality (soft) metals used, and the ring drive basically tears through the threads that it's installed into, and then spins. Complete junk imho.
  • 1 0
 @FLATLlNE: How about the BikeHubStore.com MTB270's?
  • 4 0
 @therealtylerdurden: I don't know anyone riding them. I am a fan of DT 350's as my personal budget choice. Hope Pro 4's are high up there. If looking for big POE count, best value to me is the Novatec Factor hubs - also 120 POE and very good build quality in the Factor hub line.
  • 14 2
 Hope Pro 4- 44 POE (plenty), 311 grams - $200 on Jenson. Handmade in UK, bullet proof and blingy colors. Hard to beat.
  • 4 1
 @ryan83: Yup. Most riliable choice and easy self servicing
  • 1 0
 @FLATLlNE: I can't seem to find Factors for sale aside from eBay. Any suggestions?
  • 6 1
 @rattlehead: DT 350 I would say, is more reliable and even easier to service than a Hope Pro 4, which is pretty easy. Star ratched has way fewer moving parts vs. pawl and ratchet ring
  • 1 0
 @therealtylerdurden: PM me and I might be able to help.
  • 4 0
 @FLATLlNE @therealtylerdurden

I have some bitex/bhs mtb270s. They were on a HT i had and that wheelset moved to my surly commuter. They're unreal hubs for the money. Way better than the hopes I've had in the past and they're available in a bunch of colors.

I have i9s on my mtb and they're also flawless and much better. You can get 3 sets of BHS hubs for the price of a rear i9. Is that worth it to you? I can't answer that.

I feel like the $60 premium for an i9 versus this raceface hub is a no-brainer. I'd get the i9
  • 1 0
 All but one of those (Raceface) is available in colors besides just black.
  • 1 0
 Having had all sorts of colors on my hub, I'm not as keen on it anymore. You can barely even see it. Colour matching the more conspicuous parts I am 100% down for
  • 2 0
 Yeah but you guys...Hope makes matching rotors, which match their brake calipers, which match their brake levers, which match their bar end plugs, which match their stems/spacers, which match their seat-post collars, which match their pedals, which match their top cap thingimajig...
  • 2 0
 @UtahBikeMike: thanks, Mike.
  • 2 1
 @ryan83: Handmade in UK has not traditionally been the strongest indicator of reliability. Hope seem to be the exception...
  • 2 1
 My favorite rear hub is whichever one came with the bike!
  • 3 1
 its hard too go wrong with hopes .... theyre so cheap for what you get . food for thought , king hubs get better engagement as the wheel spins faster , most systems stay the same or get worse . onyx/stealth hubs being the exception too this with a sprag clutch
more food for thought :
for some reason .... king bearings last way longer than anything else . evan if you dont use the bearings in a king bearing kit , the precision of the product is just that much better that it extends the life of your hubs by that .00000000001" difference in machining from say a chris king too an onyx hub ...
excited for people too buy the rf ones and work out the problems before i do Smile
  • 2 0
 @wuzupjosh: how does king engagement get better as you go faster? Mind explaining that? And how exactly do other systems get worse?

And you are making a pretty wild claim in saying king is more of a precision part than Onyx in my own opinion, and experience. I've owned several sets of both.
  • 2 0
 Hopes are the ak47, they hear me rollin, they hatin...
  • 4 0
 @BryceBorlick: you so gangsta!
  • 1 0
 Dt swiss makes the best hubs for the money!
  • 2 0
 @Yarlezy: Best is a very subjective term. If you want high Poe, they are not close. But if you want okay Poe, bomber reliability at reasonable weight....they are very hard to beat.
  • 11 3
 Why go with RF hubs when a comparable set of DT350 hubs are lighter, less expensive and [most likely based on RF's track record] more reliable? Guess you can't embody enduro without super high engagement loud hubs these days?
  • 4 1
 Seconded. I feel these are too expensive. I mean, they look nice and everything but they ate twice the price of pro4s. Are they twice as good?
  • 5 0
 @jaame: Granted I may be a little bit biased given my involvement in the project but I do have to honestly say that I have run Pro 4's, E13 TRS+, and King RR Hubs in the past. The engagement on these is simply the BEST I have ever felt.
From the wrenching point of view they are also easier to maintain and pretty banger to work on.
Are they worth the price? Thats a tough question given that almost everything in this industry is crazy expensive but I have to say I would buy these at full retail over any other hub Ive tried. Totally just my opinion however Smile
  • 3 4
 Engagment, hub spacing & flange width... idiot.
  • 4 1
 @BicycleHub: One advantage that many overlook with DT Star Ratchet is that you can destroy the Rachet itself, even the splines on drive side and have a working hub again for under $80. Something to be said for that.
  • 1 0
 @PHeller: Totally true!
  • 2 0
 @BicycleHub: I like the look of these a lot. For me a hub is a hub is a hub, but then I have never owned a high poe hub.

I think from a value for money standpoint, hope is hard to beat. The price is good, the quality is solid, the support is great and you know that if you need a part in 2038 they will have one or make it if they haven't.

They just don't light the fire of passion. I kind of wish they were more blingy in a way because i like spuffing money on bike parts as much as anyone.

These hubs certainly look very nice. I am tempted.
  • 10 1
 Awesome Dave (bicyclehub)
  • 12 1
 Dave is the man... always top quality work done at BicycleHub, can't recommend him enough.
  • 6 1
 @gramboh: True that
  • 8 1
 @cornichons: Thanks guys!
  • 3 0
 @BicycleHub: Nice jar of linseed oil,it looks like it's built a few sets of wheels.
  • 3 0
 @rideonjon: Most certainly! And it was an old garage find years ago..... Best stuff out there
  • 3 0
 @BicycleHub: yes in fact I heard the aerospace industry has decided to swap their scientifically engineered threadlockers for linseed oil on their adjustable fasteners.
  • 6 0
 i mean thats cool about the hubs and all, but i want to hear more about the carbon ARC rims. The aluminum ones have been pretty much indestructible for me, and don't ride super harsh
  • 1 2
 Carbon rims have offset.

Alu rims don't. Frown
  • 1 0
 @theminsta: Not true. The Turbine R and Atlas wheels feature an alloy rim that is asym (4.5mm offset). Thing is, they don't sell it separately (they should).
  • 6 0
 Wait a minute. After 25 years of the bike business and it’s aftermarket wheel companies lying to me about the supposed benefits of straight pull spokes I’m not sure I’m going to be able to adjust to this.
  • 1 0
 put the same rim set on 2 wheelsets with similiar flange size , youllnotice the diffference but you might not exactly like the rigidity . same can be said for carbon wheels
  • 3 0
 I have had a pair of Hadley hubs, laced to Mavic 729 rims for 12 years. They were built by Duke Pakdee when he worked at On Top. The wheels are still true, still strong and although have a few bumps on them, still going strong. The hubs, however, are beyond belief. In all the 12 years they have been going, I have YET to replace a bearing, seal or do a free hub rebuild. I took the rear hub apart, once, about 4 years ago and it still looked mint. Front bearings have not worn and this is with pure North Shore riding. Bought a rear hub rebuild kit a while back to have for insurance. I have never experienced anything like this.

Starting a new bike. Guess what the hubs are on this one (I already have them).
  • 1 0
 Still riding a pair of Hope Pro 2's from 2008 and still running like new. Of course, I service them twice a year - cleaning and greasing, bearings are fine. There's no way I'm changing them in the near future.
  • 6 1
 Ignore the hubs (which are cool by the way) and watch the vid. That makes me just want to go ride
  • 3 0
 Does anyone know the name/location of that trail? PLEASE Smile When I close my eyes and think of mountain biking my trail looks like that! A wee bit different than my southern California trails!
  • 2 0
 I couldn't find the name of the trail, but it's somewhere in BC, Canadia.
  • 3 0
 looking at the link on youtube the shop is in north Vancouver - so it's a good guess it's local to there. but man that trail is sexy!
  • 2 0
 Good old north shore all coastal bc looks like that we are spoiled.
  • 1 0
 @ccolagio: if you want to ride a shitload of rock gardens, we have tons in AZ! A lot of the bike manufacturers actually test their bikes and parts at South Mountain in Phoenix!
  • 2 0
 @therealtylerdurden: i read vital Smile i'm well aware of the rocks in AZ haaaa. it's definitely a destination for the future. excited to ride there some day. we have lots of rock garden trails in south CA too. just no fresh, lovely, loamy, gripy dirt that on this trail vid haaa.
  • 1 0
 @ccolagio: yeah, we no has loam either lol. Beer
  • 2 0
 Anything on the shore....
  • 1 0
 Questions:

Why cant you run the straight pulls with other wheels? Why the need for j bend?

What is the difference between the NEXT carbon rims and the ARC carbon rims?

I have the turbine R's and I am currently happy with them.
  • 3 0
 The NEXT R 31 Carbon rims and The ARC 31 Carbon rims are the same construction, the only difference is graphics, and the ARC CARBON is also available in 32H. The Vault straight pull hubs could be built on different rims.
  • 1 0
 @raceface: Do you have pricing yet for ARC rims?
  • 2 1
 @jewpowered - we all know what theory says about straight pulls. I’m on my first set of straight pull wheels since almost 2 years. 3 broken spokes, two at nipple, one at the spoke head. How about we stick to Jbend and stop pretending it makes so much sense to run SPs while Jbend maakes for easier hub production and wheel building/ truing. Theory vs practice
  • 2 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Yes, a j-bend hub is easier to make. But how do you figure building and truing is easier with a j-bend vs straight pull? I find J-bend wheels to be a huge pain in the ass to lace. I guess the idea that the spoke on a straight pull can spin when you turn the nipple can be an issue, but I've found once the spoke has any tension you don't have to worry about that. I've seen plenty of J-bend spokes snap at the nipple and flange as well, so at best your anecdote proves they're the basically the same. I'd say both have merits to their designs, but I've never had a set of J-bend wheels I loved. I also have the luxury of living in Asheville Nc and have been riding the I-9 system wheels for over a decade. In my opinion the 1 piece alloy spoke design makes everything else seem dated and kind of stupid. The I-9 system wheels are so easy to lace and build and make super strong and stiff wheels.
  • 2 1
 @Satanslittlehelper: I meant exclusively the fact of SP spoke rotating and unfortunately in my case at least 5 of them per wheel did continue to rotate despite the tension being applied, to skip the pain of getting them into the tensioned state in the first place. Considering that I have the Competition spokes it was a pain in the arse. My bike mechanic charges extra for building these.
  • 1 0
 @raceface: thank you for the reply

@WAKIdesigns: on my turbines the SP spokes are a smaller guage (16?) where as I feel most jbends run larger (14?) I wonder if that could be the difference you are seeing.
  • 4 1
 Knowing that the Easton guys are somehow behind this hub makes me all warm and fuzzy....
  • 1 1
 Didn't Fox Racing acquire both Race Face and Easton?
  • 2 0
 @properp: Fox factory not fox racing
  • 2 1
 @jewpowered: thanks. And yeah I remember the whole fox fox head Fox Racing Fox Factory thing
  • 4 0
 We should all pay attention to Wade's proper shop etiquette at 1:00.
  • 4 0
 when Wade Simmons asks you if you want to come for a ride, just say yes.
  • 1 0
 I trust in HOPE, there is also i9, E thirteen, and the list goes on for reliable wheels and hubs that we can always get parts for. I dont need another Hub, just make existing parts better, more reliable with better warranty.
  • 4 1
 They look great. Love those fat hubs! I’d love these on a road bike with 203 rotors.
  • 1 0
 Good to see RF enter the aftermarket hub field. I9, Hope and RF give people some options. Great to see all the endcap standards too. Old bike or new bike we can all build great wheels these days.
  • 4 1
 Great video Dave and Raceface!
  • 3 1
 Did they say anywhere what the driver is made of? I'll probably never buy alu again unless I'm looking for something cheap.
  • 2 0
 freehub body is anodized in the pics, so aluminum.
  • 5 4
 @scottzg: that material should be illegal for this application.
  • 2 0
 @JesseE: I agree with you. They should offer a steel upgrade freehub option. The f*ck I wanna fight my cassette off a gouged freehub body for?
  • 1 0
 The answer to the problem.
www.google.com/patents/US20080315679
  • 3 0
 @rideonjon: I’m familiar with that design, American Classic Wheels used it. You can see Bill Shook is the patent holder in that image. Do I take a cheap shot at the fact that that company just went under? I view it as an over complication. Steel freehubs are fine. The weight penalty for a durable part is justifiable.
  • 1 0
 @speed10: How do you figure it's overcomplicated,i thought the design was simple and elegant.Alu freehub weight with steel freehub reliability.And yes Bill Shook is a smart fella.
  • 1 0
 @rideonjon: the design is fine. Shook is a smart dude. I agree with you. But don’t you agree that it is cheaper and easier to just make the entire freehub body out of steel?
  • 1 0
 @speed10: Oh yes definitely cheaper and there should always be a chromoly option,but I'd like the option of an aluminium freehub that has a steel insert as well.You know for the bike nerds!
  • 1 0
 @rideonjon: Well there you go. You agree it's cheaper and simpler to do a full steel part. So adding a second aluminum part would be... a complication. That's what I meant in my initial reply to you. If you want a bike nerd Bill Shook freehub, thats totally cool as an option, but lets keep it simple as a standard part. Steel freehubs: Cheap, durable, simple. Maybe slightly more weight and not nerdy enough, but that's not much of a real concern to me. At least we both agree that full aluminum freehub bodies are whack AF
  • 2 0
 @speed10: Well to be honest steel freehubs cost more to manufacture due to tooling costs and the time to machine,aluminium is cheap and fast to manufacture.So i guess i don't agree.
  • 1 0
 @rideonjon: Did you not just say "yes definitely cheaper"? Typically steel is cheap and fairly easy to work with. And surely if you purchase any inexpensive wheel or hub and you'll get a steel freehub body. That seems like supporting evidence to me. However, I'm not an insider and don't know that with certainty steel freehubs are easier/cheaper to produce. Where is Bill Shook when we need answers?
  • 1 0
 It's great that you guys have an offset design for the carbon ARC rims, but what are the chances that you guys put that offset on the aluminum ARC rims? @raceface
  • 1 0
 Shame Racface customer service is on a par with Mavic. Hope, Chris King or Reverse all the way for quality and customer service.
  • 2 0
 Great video @BicycleHub! Good to see you shredding out there with The Godfather! Smile
  • 3 0
 Great looking hubs. That video made me smile :-)
  • 1 0
 Are these not just the same hubs as on the Easton cross wheels but with J bend , and a bit wider?
  • 9 8
 $325 for just the rear hub?

New Flows with Hope Pro 4 complete wheelset for $575?

If I were a betting man...........
  • 2 0
 Where are you finding that price for the wheels?
Thanks
  • 2 4
 sth's in the video doesn't add up. WS walks into a store to pick up a set of new wheels, which never got mounted in the video. Therefore, one must assume that he had his bike in front of the store already or the wheel he got is attached to an invisible bike that only got visible in the woods outside.
  • 5 4
 Golly gee just $70 and you can have an Onyx rear hub. Why oh why would someone spend $300+ for a pawl ratchet hub?
  • 3 0
 Weight.
  • 1 0
 The last phrase in the video it’s brilliant,it is what all the products should be
  • 2 1
 Not available in157TRAIL spacing? These hubs are SO two days ago and already obsolete.
  • 2 0
 All we need...more hub options... not necessary...
  • 1 0
 FINALLY. And they come just after I build my wheelset... Better luck next time I guess!
  • 2 2
 Alloy spoke nipples are not part of an equation that equals "bomber wheelset."
  • 4 0
 Where are alloy nipples mentioned?
  • 2 1
 @BicycleHub: 0:28 and 0:32.
  • 2 1
 @BicycleHub: If I am wrong about them being alloy, my bad!
  • 2 1
 @scofflaw23: Not alloy nipples, because i one hundred percent agree with you. Alloy is no recipe for success.... But those are brass.....
  • 2 1
 @BicycleHub: My mistake! Carry on the good work!
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 @BicycleHub: why's is alloy not good? I always had alloy nipples on my wheelset and never had problem...
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 @ybsurf: They can be great for certain applications as they are lighter and can come in cool colours. They simply tend to round out after a few tensions and can snap more easily than brass.
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 @ybsurf: they were pretty bad (unreliable) when they first came out and that reputation has stuck with them. Modern alloy nips are just as good as brass in most situations and save some rotational weight
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 Cool but did you guys forget halo came out with a full wheel set that's less than both Hubs
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 It looks good in price and quality. Especially the engagement ......

^^*)
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 Pornhub is the best
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 What is the spoke count on these dudes? Fingers crossed for 32.
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 Yep!
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 What's in the jar? Looks too thick to be linseed oil.
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 Its linseed oil.... Old linseed that has had sometime to age and get thicker...
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 @BicycleHub: Thanks for the insight!
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 Anyone know how loud these hubs are compared to something like king or i9?
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 From the Turbine R review with the Vault hubs here is Mike Kazimer

"What about hub noise? Despite having six pawls, the sound of the Vault hubs when freewheeling wasn't as loud as I'd expected. It still has the distinctive buzzing sound of a high engagement hub, but it's slightly muffled, as if the hub were spinning inside of a cardboard box. I'm personally not a huge fan of obnoxiously loud hubs, and for me, the Vault strikes a good middle ground – it's loud enough so that hikers or other riders will hear you, but not so loud that wearing earplugs seems like a good idea. "

www.pinkbike.com/news/race-face-turbine-wheels-review-2016.html
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 Thanks @raceface I love your products! I have 8000 miles on my sixc cranks with ZERO issues. Super happy with them. Keep making awesome stuff.
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 @sixstringsteve:
I smell a roadie!
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 @Fifty50Grip: nope, that's 8000 miles of ditrt. (I don't know many roadies using sixc cranks). I'm fortunate to be able to ride a lot, and these cranks have been flawless for me. Very happy with them.
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 Those hubs look great tup @theminsta
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 Yeah! $325USD is pushing the envelope for pricing on high end hubs!
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 Not a high end hub @theminsta:
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 @freeridejerk888: Oy, stop being a jerk.

To me, reliability/warranty, and +72 POE is considered high end. There's high end within high end, for sure.
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flag bigmeatpete420 (Jan 18, 2018 at 15:47) (Below Threshold)
 Just because a Focas RS can keep up with a e63 amg doesn't mean it's a fast luxury sedan. (High end up). It's about bling and status being high end. Not just points of engagement @theminsta:
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 @freeridejerk888: I feel like what constitutes high end in the car world is vastly more complex than what constitutes a high end hub though.
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 I definitely understand that perspective. I just value the color customization much less now, which is the only difference between performance hubs and luxury hubs.
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 I'd also say material and craftsmanship matter. King and i9 and profile racing are all made in the us (I do now see you are from Canada lol) and to many that means great quality and good materials this also usually means it's very reliable as well. I know way to many people that don't do normal manitence to their king hubs if not ever and there just as good as when they were new 10 years ago. @theminsta:
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 Hadley.
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