Day 2 Randoms - Eurobike 2021

Sep 3, 2021 at 4:57
by Ralf Hauser  
SR Suntour

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SR Suntour had Tom Pidcock's Olympic gold winning bike on display, which is interesting in more ways than one. The bike is equipped with SR Suntour's still mostly secret electronic suspension. Secret, because the patent pending procedure has been delayed (although it's in its final stages) and Suntour can't freely talk about all its features. It's not much, but here's what we got so far:

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The electronic mechanism needs an Axon Werx fork to work with. Only the damping mechnism on the right hand side of the fork is different from the regular version.
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In the rear, the box housing the 'brain' of the system works with a shock from the Edge series.

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The fully automatic system reacts to different riding conditions. There are no levers to deal with, although there will be a way to communicate with the system and make adjustments.
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No pro bike is complete without the rider's name.

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The Durolux big-hit single crown fork is now available in a Durolux38 Boost version with Equalizer spring system. Obviously, that number identifies the size of the stanchion tubes, adding more stiffness to the fork. The 29" fork is available as a 15mm Boost or 20mm Boost version. Weight starts at 2,500g and the fork ships with a fender. The Durolux36 option is still part of the program, It can now be ordered with different travel options, starting at a short 130mm of travel.

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There's the choice of R2C2-PCS or RC2-PCS damping systems.
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Travel options: 160, 170 and 180mm.

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You can now get the RUX38 Boost dual crown fork for 29" (and still 27.5") wheels.
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It too now features the Equalizer air spring system. Weight starts at 2,845g.

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Nice Kavenz colorway, hosting a SR Suntour Durolux fork.


TSG

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Still in 3D-printed stage, this prototype is a close version of what the new TSG Presto 3.0 goggle is going to look like. Since most people don't use them anyway, there won't be any attachment points for tear-offs. Recommended sales price will be an affordable € 39.95.

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The Presto 3.0 will be available in three colorways, one of them a camo print.
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The Chamber knee and ellbow pads are a new addition to the trail/all-mountain category - lightweight and well-ventilated sides and even pad help to add comfort.



Trickstuff
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Trickstuff had a pretty darn lightweight handmade in Germany Last Tarvo on display, flying the made in Germany flag high, equipped with Intend Suspension and of course their Trickstuff brakes with a new caliper.

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The C42 all-mountain/enduro caliper is replacing the C41, with a redesigned disc tunnel and better compatibility for the post mount standard. Also, new brake pads are sitting inside now, as the old one wasn't that widespread anymore. The old 220 standard is replaced with the 850, the same that SRAM Guide brakes use. A new bleed valve allows for drip-free repairs.
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The C22 Flat Mount for XC and gravel use is a newly developed caliper fitting 830 standard brake pads. Factory installed it comes with Trickstuff's 830 Power Alu pads with lighter aluminum carrier plate.

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Maybe not as fancy as machined brakes, but very helpful for mechanics, Trickstuff now has two bleed kits available. One is specific to their models and the other is compatible with all brake systems out there. Adapters fit all the different systems, a few tools like a wooden brake pad retractor make work easier.
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Trickstuff's aluminum bleed block now also fits every type of caliper design.

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We've seen this ride from Pivot before, but it's just so pretty, decked out in bling. The most powerful brake of Trickstuff's lineup, the Maxima, isn't bad to look at either.



KTM Bicycles

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It really starts to sink in that there isn't much in the way of major news at the show when you're highlighting hardtail model updates. The Myroon Prime got a new updated Premium Carbon UDH frame with expanded stiffer seat stay/seat tube and bottom bracket junction area. The exact frame weight of the new design wasn't available, other than they believe it's below 1,000 grams. Full weight in this spec comes to 8.6kg.

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They had Austrian Olympic participant Max Foidl's Scarp Exonic race bike on display, dirt and all.
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He definitely seems to be enjoying a low front.




SQlab

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SQlab never stops tinkering on their saddles and is updating its entire Ergowave lineup, including their popular 611 and 612 models. Part of that update is an improved relief of pressure by higher steps and a deeper dip in the center. The Active system has been improved and weight drops by about 15 percent throughout the Ergowave range. As a highlight, the final version of the e-bike specific 6OX Infinergy Ergowave model is about to be available soon, with all the updates mentioned, made out of BASF infiniergy material. Tapes on the top side are add to the abrasion-resistance and damping of the saddle. One of the biggest feats for SQlab is that it's 100% made in Germany.

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The new Active system that allows for vertical movement of the top plate to move with the hips, now offers twice the range over its predecessor and is easier to activate. Three grades of elastomers are available.
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Their lineup for anatomical improvements has extended into various segments by now. They are now expanding into adaptable insoles for various shapes for added support and better power transfer.



Panaracer

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It's like traveling back in time. The legendary Panaracer Smoke ...
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... and Dart combo. Available in 26 x 2.1" size only, to make your classic bike look genuine.


Pinion

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We've covered Gamux' Pinion driven prototype rig before, but some things you just can't get enough of. With most of their World Cup team racers out for the season early in the year, they've used their time to gather real world information on the World Cup circuit with other riders. More to come ...

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The only update for pinion is that their C1.12 gearbox is now available in black.
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Still one of the nicest Pinion integrations out there on Instinctiv’s M97.

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Instinctiv's trigger shifter solution is especially noteworthy.


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130 Comments
  • 43 0
 SR suntour looks like they make some bang on forks. I see lots of pro riders on them, but you never see them on new bikes or much in the aftermarket. Wonder if they are not on par with fox/rockshox or if people are just stuck to the usual brands.
  • 10 2
 Or they are $50 more/ each wholesale.
  • 10 3
 Suntour probably just can't offer the same kind of package deal or low enough prices to offset this. And people rarely replace their forks on bikes they buy or build up frames only. Its just a tiny percentage, we here on pinkbike aren't representative at all in this regard. I also think SR Suntour makes most of their money making castings for Rock Shox and Fox, just like X-Fusion does. They also have a huge market share when it comes to cheap forks. So selling MTB suspension products might just be kind of a side-hustle to them.
  • 11 0
 I ran the durolux 36 for awhile. Fork is awesome but they get a bad rap because of their low end stuff but their low end stuff is where they make their money. I don't think they have a desire to try and compete with Rockshox or Fox to be spec'd on high end builds. Technically the durolox competes with top of the line fox and Rockshox but companies like Trek and Specialized know that a 9.9 slash or S-Works Enduro isn't going to sell very well with a durolux spec'd.
  • 6 1
 Durolux38 not available in 27.5, only for big 29 wheels that I don't like for enduro riding :-( See s3.amazonaws.com/www.bikerumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/02075801/sr-suntour-38mm-stanchion-RUX-and-Durolux-MTB-forks-2022-3.jpg and the article bikerumor.com/2021/09/02/sr-suntour-gets-rowdy-with-bigger-enduro-forks-more-xc-shock-volume
  • 26 0
 Having discussed with a product manager working for a bike brand, they tried Suntour products and he considers them on par with RS/Fox stuff and way above at equivalent price tags. But if he wants the bikes to sell well it is easier to put low end RS/Fox stuff. Despite lower performance people want fancy stickers even if it is put on rubbish products. So that is why you don't see much Suntour, XFusion, Manitou, Formula or TRP, Box or Microshift stuff and won't see them on EOM for another while. Tho this may change due to the shortage of components brands have frames but nothing to put on them to sell them so exploring different options might finally shale things up.
  • 6 1
 Unfortunately, they are OEM on lots of bikes. Too bad it's always the crappy low end stuff so not too many know they are actually capable of make something worth riding.
  • 22 10
 Because overweight 50 year old riders with bling bikes won't buy anything else regardless of actual performance
  • 3 0
 I will say that on the new bike I'm currently building up now, I did TRY to get Manitou stuff as I was real keen to try out the Mezzer Pro and Mara Pro after hearing so much good feedback. It has literally never been in stock. I mean like, from early days of the pandemic to right now, not in stock. and then even on the fork, finding it at places like Bike24, its on their list as a "won't ship to the US" product. Coulda explored a few more, but ended back to RS for a ZEB and Cane Creek for the shock.
  • 4 0
 @noapathy: true that ! Always forget that this market exists too. In fairness Suntour probably should create a premium brand like TRP/Tektro to help reduce the stigma from shit products. Kinda what DVO is but this is controversial lol.
  • 5 0
 @Balgaroth: How did Formula end up in that list? I have ridden none of these fork brands mentioned (except for a RS Judy TT, otherwise it is Magura and Marzocchi) but my perception is that Formula is much more high end than Fox and Rock Shox. Similarly to Box and TRP gearing. They only offer the higher end stuff at this point, don't they?
  • 6 0
 I've ridden a few Suntours over the years. Rux, a couple versions of the Durolux, and the Auron. They've come a long way in the last 5+ years and I think they can totally add value to the bike in the price range Suntour plays in. In fact, I'd love to ride an Auron on my trail bike because it's a great fork. Unfortunately, the consumer loves to buy the brand and image rather than the actual product. I suspect this is the real challenge.
  • 7 1
 @skinnie-master: they just need a cool logo with no letters and ship black forks with black stanchions and a really understated sticker. They could OWN the midrange market with little effort.

OR, manufacturers could do what BULLS bikes does - buy suntour products with their own stickers (bulls does a piss poor job of it in the usa, but the idea is on point.)
  • 2 0
 @honda50r: Hey now, you young punk! I'm not 50 yet!
  • 7 3
 I've always felt like I can get parts and support for RS and Fox very easily. I can find them on the bike sites and ebay.I know where to look to get the drawings and specs. I can easily find 50 you tube videos about how to rebuild them. Avalanche and other after market tuners have upgrades for them. If I buy a Suntour fork, I really don't have a clue about rebuilding them. Maybe I'm just lazy and the tech sheets and parts are all available on their website, but my concern isn't so much that they're not up to par out of the box but ongoing maintenance and upgrades.
  • 11 0
 Because people are brand whores. I see people shit on suntour with no experience riding it merely for the fact it's not RS or Fox.
  • 2 3
 @stumphumper92: doesn't help that the paint/graphics look dated and cheap.
  • 3 0
 We dont like to admit it but the hype surrounding easily accessible parts with low EP costs leaks out of shop bros and their bikes into the general consumer market. A lot of sales, even of aftermarket parts, are generated by riders asking their local shop-affiliated riders what they like or prefer, and then bragging to all their friends “I got this fork because Dave at Darkmurder Bikes said they are the best! Ignoring the fact that “Dave” got the fork at half price due to a EP deal.
  • 2 0
 in general cyclist ( the mass) are tough to convince to try newer / upcoming brand. They often push back new concept.

also the sports is often base on what cool to be riding not what the best.
  • 1 0
 @preston67: your concern is understandable... but coming from a Durolux from like 2 years back I can wholeheartedly recommend them - be it on performance merits, or price to performance, or serviceability. The last one especially is great, it's so easy to work on them yourself! Also stuff like lowering the travel yourself is done easily, i liked it a lot.
Then I got a new bike, with 29er and a new fork with it. Can't be arsed to upgrade a perfectly working Fox 36... Big Grin (though I'd like to go Formula Selva C/coil)
  • 10 0
 Suntour produces OEM fork parts for many of the big players. Maybe they keep from marketing their own branded stuff aggressively in order to avoid competing with their OEM customers.
  • 3 0
 @honda50r: yeah like the guy at the ship I go to who bought a $12000 Hightower so he could ‘ride rail trails’ lol
  • 2 0
 Not sure about the big name thing. Maybe that is for an audience I'm not aware of. One major thing I look at is whether I can service it myself with basic tools. Sending a fork off for basic service sounds horrible. How are you going to ride in the mean time? So my Magura forks are simple to work on, Suntour also markets their forks as easily serviceable (QSP as they call it) so that's a selling point for me. The other thing would be that if you don't like it right away, you can still adjust it to taste. Now my Magura is more a shut up and ride kinda fork but Formula has more adjustability than any other fork I've seen (with Neopos and those replaceable damper cartridges), the Suntour Durolux just does loads of dials. The edge Fox and RockShox have in that department is that because they're so common, brands like Vorsprung and MRP have upgrades to make it amazing. Both for spring and damper so it seems to me like you can have the OEM Yari on your bike, go all Vorsprung on it and make it better than the Lyrik. So it may not even be because those major brands are so good, but more because they're so common that you'll be able to get hold of third party upgrades to actually make them good. That said, just like in the brake business (typically with brake pads), the smaller brands often choose to make their products such that they'll accept wear parts from the major brands. In case of my Magura forks, they're compatible with RockShox axles and dust wipers.
  • 8 0
 Went from a Pike to an Aion: at least on par (except the Aion was much cheaper).
Great customer service at SRSuntour as well.
  • 1 0
 Love mine. I won an Auron a few years ago from singletracks.com and it's been amazing. It's performance is as good if not better then the other fox and rockshox forks i've ridden. It is easy to service too. I liked it so much I went with their Tri-Air shock which I am equally happy with.
  • 3 0
 @vinay: it ended up in that list because in the same way that if you want to sell a middle range bike you need to have Fox/RS despite the fact that speccing a Suntour would give you much higher performance for your money, if you spec a high end bike with Formula it will be harder to sell to dentists compared to a bike specced with Kashibling, Ohlin or else. My point being basically that at any price point, it makes more sense for bike brands to spec generic brands with average perf/price rather than going exotic and risking to not sell well and having to discount the bike at the end of season.
The same guy wanted to spec his top spec bikes with Fast Suspension shock and cartridge but decided against it because it was too complicated to sell despite being better than a Fox shock with a shiny coat.
  • 2 0
 @honda50r: Always creeping on my Bio !
  • 2 0
 @justwan-naride: THIS is probably the real sauce
  • 2 0
 Really like the look of Suntour - tried to buy some Durolux last year online. Great deal, solid looking forks but after poor communication and a bit of a runaround I cancelled my order. Shame as I still think they have the potential and are still on my shortlist.
  • 1 0
 @noapathy: Shimano runs the whole range from Tourney to XTR it just depends on the riders wallet of what they can afford. Nobody seems to hold them to the same standard of price / performance.

SR Suntour in the same way covers a super wide range of price / performance depending on the budget that rider has. I see local high school kids with the NICA program on $500 Trek Marlins with XCT forks having as good of a time as I am on my Durolux.
  • 3 1
 @honda50r: I'd put $50 on you being overweight at 50. Life happens but we keep riding. Check your attitude young gun.
  • 3 0
 @honda50r: I am over 50 and I run an Xfusion fork with basic adjustments. It replaced a fox 34 that had way more adjustments. the Xfusion feels stiffer and for me works way better. I paid half of what the Fox 34 cost. My Fox 34 never worked well for the start, Fox said they fixed it, sold it it and got the Xfusion on Ebay and have never been happier with a fork.
  • 2 0
 What a phuqueing kook u is haha@honda50r:
  • 1 0
 @sprockets: I imagine that the difference is that since the beginning Shimano offers products that work at any price range. This gave them a good rep with anyone who experienced a Shimano product. Many supermaket forks from the early 2000 were Suntours that were just dead weight. And higher end products have been an addition to their line up only recently. So those who experience proper rubbish forks remember that and the aspirational side of their brand has yet to be developped. If their marketing budget is limited, Instead of supporting a lot of mid pack people they would have a better time only supporting one team that can win (like TRP with Gwin few uears back).
  • 1 0
 Wanted to buy an Axon for a xc build but could'nt find any website in the EU who would sell one. Which is weird since a lot of french xc teams run them. Ended up with a Sid instead...
  • 3 0
 Suntour has suffered the fate called diluting your product and offering primarily crappy products. When your main interactions with the brand are that they're on $200 bikes, you're never going to want them. It's like knowing Honda and suddenly they start selling $400,000 luxury cars. Your Bentley and Rolls Royce owners are going to laugh, because all they know is the Civic and Fit.
  • 2 0
 I bought the clearance Aion 150mm fork from CR last year and it has been unbelievable for the money, service has been great as well. I think the RS/Fox option would've cost me triple.
  • 1 0
 Suntour dominates the entry to mid level bike market in OEM sales already but it really depends on which brand of bicycle and which market area you're buying whether you'll see their products. My 2016 Specialized Fuse Comp 6Fattie came with a Suntour Raidon Boost fork with their nifty QR thru-axle, Air spring, lockout, adjustable rebound, and tapered steerer in 34mm stanchions at a bike which had tubeless ready WTB Scraper i45 rims, TLR Specialized 27.5x3.0 tires, SRAM NX 1x11 with PF30 BB & Specialized Stout crankset on a rather nice aluminum frame that actually clears 3.25 width tires (which is what I used on mine for the past five years).
  • 1 0
 @Sweatypants: mezzer pros are brand new on buy/sell from a good shop right now. Same shop had them back in January when I snagged a DVO from them.
  • 1 0
 @Doogster: too late, but thanks anyways. I didn't think to check here for new stuff really. next time i guess.
  • 1 0
 SR Suntour is one of the biggest Suspension makers in the world and yes they do work awesome, the durolux is butterly smooth while still giving support where needed. Only down side I see is the weight of thier forks. as they are more on the secure side rather than being the lightest.

But SR Suntour is part of Tenneco, where such brands as Öhlins, DVO still are and back in the time Marzocchi where part of. So I believe tenneco leaves the bling and Marketing Dollars to DVO and Öhlins but SR Suntour has very similar offerings...

So if you are looking for the real Pro look just buy a SR Suntour and pretend you are one of their sponsored riders Wink
  • 3 0
 @Balgaroth: DVO is the premium SR Suntour product... but no one talks about that... they are part of Tenneco as well as Öhlins and DVO and SR Suntour share a lot of DNA in their products
  • 2 0
 @x-rider: jesus man don't say that here, all the fanboys will downvote you to oblivion and say you talk shit. Facts are facts but you know ...
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 @x-rider: Yep, SR Suntour has manufactured for other brands for years. Rockshox doesn't actually make their own forks, neither does Fox or Marzocchi or Manitou. Everybody farms out to one of the really BIG companies in Taiwan or China and well... SR Suntour and Spinner are the two biggest ones for that but there are dozens of other companies that do it also. Shimano owns their own factories for their production however they're not all in the same country. The indonesian plant for example manufacturers ALL the road wheelsets (including DuraAce), all the MTB wheelsets of Deore or lower, and all the groupsets from the Deore/Tiagra price point or lower. But most people don't want to know the truth as to who actually manufactured their whatever on their bicycle... they just want a fancier brand name than their buddy. Most people today are either too young to know, or didn't know in the first place but Shimano became the dominant brand they are today by starting out at the department store level of bike components and producing such volumes of decent quality parts that they drove everyone else out of business on their way to the top.
  • 1 0
 @deeeight: I recall Manitou does produce their own forks, but I'll have to look up the article with the factory visit. Could obviously still be that an external company (like SR Suntour) makes the castings and stanchions though.
  • 14 0
 Also, 20mm axle option on the durolux is a really good idea.
  • 3 0
 Bring back 20mm on single crown forks!!!!! I still have my 2015 36 RC2 w/ 180 travel and a 20mm axle… things a tank!
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 My hope is that they also make the rux available with a 15mm axle, letting people use dual crown forks on their enduro bikes without having to get themselves a new front wheel.
  • 1 0
 @ahauck: It will still be a boost fit from what I understand. So you won't be able to use your old hub unless you can use spacers for the brake rotor.
  • 3 1
 @Afterschoolsports: 15m.needs to die. Sooner the better
  • 1 0
 @nojzilla: look I prefer 20mm too but there’s no denying that switching front wheels is a significant barrier to the uptake of dual crown forks outside of dh bikes.
  • 2 1
 @Afterschoolsports: But, I say the same for 20mm. Once I could swap wheels from my DH an Trail an DJ bikes cos they where ALL 20mm. And that I'm fed up of bent 15mm axles an twisted lowers
  • 2 0
 @nojzilla: they were simpler times, weren’t they? When I was out of the sport for about ten years, I was really disappointed to find 15mm axles, boost spacing, press fit headsets/bbs, and ridiculously heavy single crown forks (that still have major issues) in the market when I came back.
  • 1 0
 @Afterschoolsports: DEIFINATLY! thing is boost makes sense on a fork but as for the rear.......
  • 1 0
 @nojzilla: yeah it’s the rear I had issue with really.
  • 1 0
 @nojzilla: Just learned that there has actually been a 20x100mm qr standard. Not sure whether I'd want that. If the axle fits a closed loop I'm happy but this wide open 20mm claw to hold the axle worries me (Marzocchi Z5).

www.chainreactioncycles.com/marzocchi-bomber-z5-fork/rp-prod207937
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 @vinay: Those are actually NOS original Marzocchis from 1999 to 2001. Part of wiggle's buyout of CRC resulted in discovering they still had an inventory of forks from 20 years ago. People who have bought them have posted close ups of the castings on the legs being from that time period. Also the detail on the CRC site is wrong. Its 20x110mm same as the old DH fork standard (non-boost hub). CRC also had the Z4 and Z3 forks for sale in standard 9x100mm open QR dropouts.
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 @deeeight: Ah, the description 20x100 surprised me but apparently that was a mistake then. Either way, in the picture (and from the angle shown) it appears like an open dropout. Which seems scary but maybe a different angle would show a closed dropout.
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 @vinay: It IS an open dropout. THat's what the original QR20 forks were. Big 20mm axle with Quick release lever and cam plate that pushed against dropout flats. Basically today's Suntour Q-loc thru-axle works the same way except the fork dropout isn't open. And if the correct QR axle isn't included with that fork purchase then sourcing one is gonna be very problematic. Because they haven't been manufactured for more than twenty years. I think I have a single bolt-in axle for one of those QR20 forks NOS in a tool box but did you more importantly notice that the fork is V-brake studs only ? There's no disc mount on it.
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 @deeeight: Ah I see. But as for the brakes, these small blobs on the left leg are spaces as if they were an IS2000 disc brake mount. The V-brake mounts could be removable too, but that's really hard to see. Bummer they only published so few pictures.
  • 9 0
 So Shimano just came out with (September 1st) a new Dura Ace (XTR equivalent on road side) groupset and it's wirless + 12sp. The groupset has an app and everything like SRAM AXS but in the case of the Dura Ace groupset, the battery pack (in seat post) + rear and front mechs were connected with a wire. So maybe not totally wireless?

I imagine wireless XTR is not far off. Knowing how slow Shimano does stuff and with covid, "not far off" could be a year but hopefully not. I though it was interesting that the new Dura Ace is wireless only - they don't even have a cable-driven version for those who want it. At least they don't at this point.

I'm guessing there was no wireless XTR sneak peaks at Eurobike but hopefully Shimano gets this to market sooner than later.
  • 4 0
 You can still hookup wires if you would like to. it is wireless optional. The rim brake stuff is wired only.
  • 3 2
 I don't quite get what's the appeal of wireless. Of course for a race mechanic who frequently rebuilds bikes it is nice and the same goes for riders throwing certain tricks. But other than, when JRA you wouldn't really notice whether the shifter sends the signal through a cable or through the air, would you? Or is it just nice to share one set of AXS stuff across several bikes (for those who own several mountainbikes)?
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 @vinay: yeah, agreed. Especially given that drivetrain is by far the least performance improvement for each additional dollar spent.
  • 2 0
 More exited for the new Saint
  • 2 0
 @nojzilla: Anything about the current Saint you're unhappy about?
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 @vinay: nah just waiting for the new one Big Grin I'm imagining a dedicated 7 speed system, direct mount Saint crank (drool emoji) .

The new mech on Minnarr's bike looks very interesting, from what I've seen the cage looks like it connects to the body in the middle of the not the top jockey wheel... so definitely something new going on there.

I'm running SS on me DH bike at the mo but a new Saint could tempt me back to gears Big Grin
  • 1 0
 @vinay: brakes could definitely be improved I think.
  • 7 1
 KTM is probably the only moto-manufacturer that I would ever I buy a bicycle from since they really do have their own bicycle division completely separate from their moto division. Unlike Ducati or Yamaha or Husky which all use catalog e-bike frames with obscene and unpleasant branding slapped on in a shameless attempt to capitalize on the e-bike craze. But KTM bike geometry is old-school Euro XC and that's not really my jam.
  • 2 2
 I mostly agree but I do remember being pretty impressed with the Yamaha e-bike specs and geo. I cant remember exactly, but I recall seeing the numbers and thinking wow they didn't screw it up.
  • 2 0
 Husky is owned buy KTM so even their ebikes etc are just rebadged ktm’s
  • 13 0
 KTM bikes are a different company than KTM Motorcycles. They split in the 90ties after the old company had troubles. This also pisses off the KTM Motorcycle owner as it prevents him from selling eBikes under the KTM brand, which is why they are pushing Husquvarna eBikes.
  • 6 0
 Austria aye? Put another shrimp on the barby mate!
  • 7 0
 Sweet new Suntour stuff. Funnily enough the 38 has been listed in their parts manuals for ages. Also, the thumb shifters for the pinion is a big deal.
  • 1 0
 Having a single sided trigger shifter is a really big deal. Grip shift has been one of the biggest obstacles for pinion IMO. On my way to zerode’s website right now. Haha.
  • 2 0
 @Afterschoolsports: Last time I asked they weren't selling the shifter alone Frown
  • 2 0
 @fish-monkey: this bums me out. They could be printing money if they sold it aftermarket.
  • 1 0
 @Afterschoolsports: you cannot purchase that shifter without the bike. I already checked as I have a Zerode.
  • 1 0
 They don't sell the shifter without the bike !!! From what I heard Pinion think Rotary is superior.... Frown (( Pinion; get the crank out of you $$$#
  • 2 0
 Yeah. I’ve tried to explain to them that in technical terrain you quite often need to brake and shift so the gripshit is useless but they don’t believe it so I’m just sad for them for the boring trails they must ride!
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 @fish-monkey: Yes they are absolutely entitled. Their gearbox c series; I lost the protective cap twice because it is a bad clip system without a screw. They had a screw on P series. They told I must ride differently... Honestly what a bunch of %%%
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 @UpnUp: vorsprung make an alloy cap to replace that useless plastic one. Highly recommended until you put Cinq shifters on to be able to ride properly!
They tell everyone who complains about the crappy cap that it’s the riders fault. I’d laugh if it wasn’t so laughable!
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 @fish-monkey: Haha I am not surprised to hear that this is a script story lol. I hope this rep spread to show their inner culture. Anyway Effigear is catching up; they will have to say they were wrong or pay the price Smile )) The Cinq is IMO bad for mountain biking; the two lever design is such a weird one for me. I do not understand how you are supposed to use this with dropper lever. And the price... Man I know this is innovative but come one ! Also incredible that they can Rotary is superior when is clearly dangerous in so many situation; they must be taking strong stuff there...
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 @UpnUp: I use one of these for the dropper: www.wolftoothcomponents.com/products/remote-bar-centric Not ideal but it all works
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 @fish-monkey: looks good but the price ^^ Makes the cinq an even more expensive option. Funnily enough I realsed that the instinctiv option is based on Cinq; they just changed the shifter
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 @UpnUp: I was actually thinking about buying the cinq and 3d printing a right side double lever. NBot sure if I want to pay the cinq price though.
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 @UpnUp: Yeah, what else are you going to do with the money though? Might as well make bike riding as enjoyable as possible Wink

@road-n-dirt Please make that and sell me one! Might be worth asking Cinq if they'll just sell you the bit that bolts on the Pinion?
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 Im thinking Suntour makes everyone forks so engineer the ultimate electronic damping system and then configure it to what ever brand of fork they are making.
Oh a 38 mm stantion Durolux with 20 mm axle . Thank you! I'm quite happy with the 36 mm version so the 38 mil is remarkable. Note . No complaints I have heard about creaky CSUs on Durolux. They are a bit heavier because they are more durable.
Dual air is good. Having the ability to adjust negative spring pressure is the tits! My old Pike had this as well and my ancient SID rear shock.
Unfortunately most people are confused by two air settings and I have heard some absurd assumptions on how to set up negative / positive pressure. So the settings are dumbed down for the masses.
Durolux would sell much better in basic black and a new name like SR . A basic all black fork with the letters S R in scroll.
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 Panaracer Dart, is my favorite tire all time. I think I had them on 6 different bikes at one time. Wish they'd make it in 27.5 sizing. Different colours would be awesome too. Please, please?
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 I think a reiteration in a 2.5-ish wide casing would be pretty slick too. I'm sure they'd sell, most of us old farts have money to waste now just for the novelty.
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 @james182: had a look as I remember the WTB velocoraptor being very similar however they are 26" too Frown
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 They aren't good tires though. Back in the day we just didn't know or have much better.
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 And a 29er please
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 For $50 each, you can get tires that are actually good. If they're in stock...
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 Nothing wrong with 26" though 2.1" might be a bit narrow. I noticed my 26x2.4" front tire (Conti Trail King) is about the same outer diameter as someone elses 27.5x2.2" (something Schwalbe) tire.

But yeah, it was not meant to be sold as the next best thing. If these tires are to be mounted on a bike with V-brakes or the older style of HS33 with the older brake booster you can't really go far beyond 2.1" wide.
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 @browner: I was just thinking that too. It looks exactly like a velociraptor… I still run one up front on my 26” singlespeed
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 Ahhh nostalgia! I had Smokes front and rear in the old school days- skinwall. Rolled on a 2.2 Dart at one point, too. They were the best of the bunch in their day.
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 you put intend in the description for the last pic but think you meant instinctive
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 He intended to put instinctive, but it was against his instinct to do what he intended.
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 @InstantBreakfast: for the win.... post of the day...
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 gamux seemed to have removed the deraileur and put a pulley system in a place even more likely to get wiped out by rocks?
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 Marzocchi moved their production to the suntour factory back in the early 2000s. The quality of the product dropped straight away. I still have a issue with suntour and marzocchi because of that.
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 Yeah…the original Marzocchi is gone. The new stuff is good, providing fox performance at a lower price point, and paying tribute to the original bomber forks by offering coil versions. But Marzocchi will never be a top dog again, being owned by Fox.
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 If only the Smoke/Dart combo came in 700c, I could put it on my gravel bike to make it one step closer to being equivalent to a 90's hardtail.

I loved that tire combination back in the day.
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 That KTM cockpit makes my neck sore looking at it
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 I'm not really an XC guy, but that silver KTM is just gorgeous!!
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 What, did all the suspension companies attend a meeting where they decided 38mm was the magic number?….except for Manitou that was like “37’s close enough.” …I wish one manufacturer would just say “f*ck it!” and come out with a 42mm single crown…..maybe a company that rhymes with shmarzocchi…
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 Smoke and Dart, best combo for mountain biking in 1995
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 Well trickstuff, new caliper and pads for the old one become impossible to get. You not only pay 1000€ for the break but also get zero availability and bad service.
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 I buy Fox for the lightest weight for a desired travel number. All modern high end suspension is awesome. Fox just weighs less.
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 Great to see some less well-known brands (at least on this side of the pond) pushing the envelope!
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 Those Instinctives are gorgeous! Absolutely love them.
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 Back ends nice, front half looks abit paperbag worthy.
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 I wonder why KTM doesn't lean heavier into MTB. They have some decent MTB's and about zero marketing from what I can tell.
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 They've been quite present in Europe. Saw tons of them in some countries.
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 Best thing about SRAM forks is that the chassis is supported by tons of aftermarket, so you can immediately gut them and make them work the way they are supposed to with someone else's innards. Then the brand snobs still accept you but you have something that actually performs.
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 Do you think you might be the snob?
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 Holy smokes! Will be in the bathroom for a bit with that picture of the pivot
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 I thought the electronic suspension would be a wireless lockout remote, but it seems more like specialized's brain to me. NGL I'm kinda disappointed.
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 SR Suntour did electronic lockout remote on the Axon back in 2009. However this new stuff works I think Tom Pidcock isn't disappointed with the view from the top of the podium in Nove Mesto WC and Tokyo Olympics.
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 Looking forward to this weekend of racing
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 Look how schweet that Eightpins dropper is on the Suntour bike!!
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 That "Suntour" bike is a BMC Fourstroke with BMC's own RAD integrated dropper post, it's not an Eightpins dropper... It even has an air chamber to allow the post to drop automatically without having to sit on it... It's a very cool system that will hopefully be copied by other bike brands.
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 Haha they aren't even ebikes. Is this the article for poor people?
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 That Pivot is for sale.
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 "No pro bike is complete without the rider's name." Yeah...I'm pro!
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 No, your bike is.
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 @smartyiak: Thanks for mentioning, never realized I (or my bike) is pro Wink .

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