Video: Remy Metailler Rides Whistler's New Heli Biking Specific Trail

Oct 20, 2022 at 9:57
by Rémy Métailler  

Since the weather has been so dry and warm this season, I was able to check out the all new AlpX Heli Drop with a few friends this fall. A short scenic heli ride to 9km of epic single track!

Check out the AlpX Heli Biking trail here: https://www.trailforks.com/trails/alpx-heli-biking/

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316 Comments

  • 395 42
 All is good in the world, let's make Heli Biking a thing and build trails for it ! Climate what ? Change ? Who gives a damn !
  • 150 11
 "Since the weather has been so dry and warm this season"
  • 66 17
 It is so ridiculous
  • 160 45
 this is so stoopid.How can you promote less impact action on climate change and at the same time promote heli biking?This is so pointless. Shame on metailler and pinkbike for this. Both of you need to stop speaking about climate change since you re clearly part of the problem.
  • 100 12
 Hey, maybe he buys offsets. The world's super rich tell me that makes everything better and you can continue living your high consumption lifestyle while preaching against everyone else.
  • 6 10
flag Charlotroy (Oct 23, 2022 at 5:36) (Below Threshold)
 amen
  • 76 120
flag thejake (Oct 23, 2022 at 6:58) (Below Threshold)
 Please. You mountain bike so you already have an extremely environmentally unfriendly luxury product. So Remy used his luxury unsustainable toy in a more luxurious and unsustainable way than you can afford so your bitching? You sound like a spoiled child.
  • 3 2
 @Andykmn: was gonna tear into you after the first sentence, but you turned me around with the "more money will solve this" strategy!
  • 86 62
 I hope all of you performative, virtue signaling keyboard warriors also start boycotting virtually every sport… rock climbing in the Himalayas; NFL/NBA/MLB etc personal jets crisscrossing the country endlessly; any extreme skiing…

Have you ever seen how much electricity is consumed by the lights at even one night game of a professional sporting arena?
  • 10 49
flag audeo03 (Oct 23, 2022 at 9:00) (Below Threshold)
 Also there is the fact that helicopters spew lead everywhere they fly (from the leaded fuel)!
  • 48 2
 @audeo03:
There is no led in jet fuel. Every helicopter in Blackcomb’s fleet is turbine powered. No need to spread misinformation.
  • 15 37
flag fabwizard (Oct 23, 2022 at 9:11) (Below Threshold)
 Firstly I agree with you. But I would like to add a couple things. There is a Vancouver airline testing electric sea planes. And where was your bike made and how much pollution came from making it. Getting it to you. And how many miles has your bike been on your roof rack. People throwing stones without thinking about what they do to the environment. Lastly. How was your bike recycled.
  • 14 35
flag DHsender4life (Oct 23, 2022 at 11:36) (Below Threshold)
 @Daddybear: to think heli biking has anything to do with climate change . lol
  • 21 5
 @Andykmn: he exactly told this bullshit in the comments on instagram, that all is ok because the company running the helicopter is buying carbon offset...
  • 52 0
 @fabwizard: there is a big missconception about many thing carbon footprint related. Yes a plane might use a lot of fuel but once you do the math of how much CO2 it emits per person it becomes much more reasonable. Same goes for products made oversea. It is hard to imagine but for a product to go from China to France by boat you will produce less CO2 per product than if you ship that product from Easter Europe to France by truck.
Now this is a very rough calculation but considering that helicopter takes 3 riders and is turbine powered you are looking at more than 15l of fuel per run/person. This is just for one run for one person. I am not saying you need to live like an Amish but yes I advocate for reasonable choices and basically picking the lesser evil. If I can carpool to go the the Park I will. If I can use an EV even better. If I can go to the park rather than somewhere with shuttles I will also do that as our lifts in France run on electricity which is CO2 free since we use nuclear power. It has many many drawbacks but it is definitely less impacting climate wise than a diesel truck or coal plants.
Not an easy topic but I feel that stuff like Heli anything isn't really something that should be push today, feels very 80's or 90's mindset, very "murica fu*k yeah !". But to everyone their own, for the moment we still have some freedom, when the shit hit the fan because nobody gave a flying F we will all have to deal with the consequences, whether regulation and law wise or climate wise.
  • 16 130
flag screamingeagle3 (Oct 23, 2022 at 12:51) (Below Threshold)
 climate change is scam,the earth goes through natural cycle/s......if the politics promotes it, you should know it's a sinister plan

you are pushing a propaganda !!!
  • 29 4
 @screamingeagle3: Propaganda is based on bullshit and convenient story. Here we're talking about something that is backed by more than the 90% of the scientific community based on scientific research.

Now go play with unicorns and elves.
  • 8 49
flag PauRexs (Oct 23, 2022 at 14:32) (Below Threshold)
 climate change it´s been here forever... and now it´s proven it´s all along the solar system (Fact Cience, not loobies...)
Sure there is ways to fly without burning coil or bateries... hidden by the sameones who tell you about climate change and stay home triple boosted...
  • 18 1
 @PauRexs: yep, climate changed due to changes of the tilt of the Earth, increase of volcanic emisions, increase of solar activity... Can we link the one we're suffering any of these? No. It is an anthropogenic climate change.

Lobbies? Any bigger than the oil industry lobby? Come on...
  • 7 1
 @Daddybear: Agree. No ebike content either.
  • 7 14
flag fabwizard (Oct 23, 2022 at 17:01) (Below Threshold)
 @zabala: um you are both right do your research before you start insulting people just because they don't agree with you.

The earth has been coming out of an ice age since before man had any impact on global warming.

And now we are affecting global warming.

Now the real fight is over which affect global warming more, the natural earth cycle of warming or man.
  • 2 5
 Ok, so people have already pointed out that so much fuel is being burned in and around the bikepark, the additional bit for the helicopter doesn't really matter. Considering this location is also being used for snow sports, you'd say the climate change would hurt their industry. But I understand snow sporters also use helicopters for their hobby, so apparently they don't care that much.

With that out of the way, it would be interesting to monitor the evolution of the fauna up there. It is a different ecosystem at such an altitude so ideally people make sure their bike is spotless before they get it on the helicopter (similar to getting your gear to New Zealand). Otherwise they'd introduce invasive species up there. Hopefully not but this may the right moment to do the zero measurement before the damage is inflicted.
  • 16 0
 Well, 400 private jets flew into Glasgow for the COP26 climate conference. So, there's that. Wink
  • 5 2
 @tacklingdummy: ok so as there is always worse we should never do anything?
Of course private jets flying to cop26 is not good at all, and I think it was well covered.
  • 7 0
 @fabwizard: the thing is there is no such debate among the scientific community.
  • 9 5
 Funny how you loose your shit when Remi takes an Helicopter ride, but you don't for everyone who takes the plane for mountain bike trip, or hell even EWS riders. Which makes a whooooole lot more emissions.
  • 1 0
 @zabala: No debate because it is accepted.
  • 1 0
 @Mouette230: Is the shit being lost because Remi took the heli-ride or is it also because they opened a heli-ride specific trail and are promoting it (using a popular athlete) so apparently want more people to use that. A single athlete may just be less of a deal than hordes of riders getting up there.
  • 3 13
flag PauRexs (Oct 24, 2022 at 8:21) (Below Threshold)
 @zabala: it's funny how brainwashed are you downvoters... I said:
1. Yes there is climate change
2. It's not directly induced for us
3. It's all over the solar system the increase
4. There is cience that supports my claiming
5. There is facts that believing in media/government puts you at risk...
  • 2 2
 @zabala: all that said I also hate polluting, my body, my mind and the environment/ecosystem. Do not eat meat and I live low prophile materialism... just someone though was not compatible with having those ideas/facts...
  • 11 9
 Hilarious. To al the virtue signaling keyboard warriors out there: unless you have a zero or almost zero carbon impact, you have no business criticizing Remi. If you paid someone to manufacture and ship your mountain bike, drive your car to the trailhead, have your groceries shipped to the store, recharge your phone so you have enough battery to bitch about how morally corrupt pro athletes are, etc, etc, you are a hypocrite. This sport and our first world lifestyles are all super carbon intensive. Harranguing a pro athlete will not actually address the climate crisis. It is this sort of ADD mentality that makes these issues harder to solve. Cmon people.
  • 8 2
 @MT36: so would you rather people be consistently unethical than inconsistently ethical?

Do you think we should all wait until there is a 100% harm-free puritan lifestyle, which requires zero sacrifices, but is just one step away from us, before we do anything? That kind of sounds like the only thing you're suggesting, and I'm not sure how that makes the issues easier to solve
  • 5 1
 @PauRexs: I’m interested in the “cience” that supports your statement that climate change isn’t directly induced by us.

We have a decent understanding of how gasses interact with certain wavelengths of light. We also have a good understanding of the volume of greenhouse gasses we have emitted into the atmosphere. Modeling the atmospheric heating effects of greenhouse gasses is relatively simple.
  • 1 0
 @jwboushelle: So what you're is there are a few ways t reduce our environmental impacts, great news, too bad we're screwed anyhow ...
  • 6 0
 @overconfident: No I don't think a puritan lifestyle is realistic or helpful (it definitely sounds like no fun).

These comments are not directed at you personally but I do have an issue with the cancel culture mentality on this comment section. Anyone who has the means to participate in this sport has a massive carbon footprint. I guess a lot of people think that there is a line that gets crossed when you use a heli, but it seems arbitrary. How many people own a carbon bike, drive to the trailhead and ride lift accessed terrain? Are those so much better than riding a heli to the point where Remi needs to be cancelled? I don't think so. Remi is a good guy and he is being bullied by a lot of people with this "holier than thou" mindset.
  • 5 3
 Just remember, if you can read this message, you are requesting information from a computer that never turns off. That's what a server is.

Unless you don't participate in society and grow all your food and drink from the rivers, you are just as much of the "problem" as anyone else.

Now go live your life. The global elite is living theirs.
  • 6 3
 @MT36: OK, so I do agree with you that there are people that have that kind of ethically superior mindset, and they bully people from their pulpit. And that's really shi*ty and unhelpful.

I don't think that the majority of PB commenters are that guy/girl though; I'd certainly like to believe they aren't. Most of us are aware that our choices all have impacts, and we are torn between wanting to continue doing what we love (slash, continue doing what retains our will to live alongside working the majority of our daylight hours) and not wanting to be a part of f**king up the planet.

Heli riding may not be a big impact in the grand scheme of things, but personally, I think it's OK to call it out as something going in completely the wrong direction. And to call out Remy (politely) for giving this kind of thing a leg-up.

I also think our sport can be done at a relatively small carbon footprint. The one thing I got from all the carbon-footprint-of-bikes articles recently, is that actually, how we get to the trails is at least as important as what we buy. I could buy 10 new Trek Fuel Deore's, and that'd still only be the same order of emissions as flying to Whistler and back from the miserable UK (assuming Trek's data can be trusted).
  • 2 2
 @moondustdictator: Chill about what? about people doing stupid stuff and promote them? Hell no, since biking is my main hobbi I decide to live in the mountains for the last 20 years. I can ride my bike straight from my house,I ve got 3 bikepark at 20 min drive.So I m not chill cuz when you live in the mountains you can clearly see the impact bout global warming and promote this kind of activity is so stupid again.Heli skiing or biking should be illegal. and by the way for peaple complaining about chairlift they work with electricity most of the time...
  • 2 0
 @fabwizard: "Now the real fight is over which affect global warming more, the natural earth cycle of warming or man." Sorry, but there is an ample consensus on that topic.
www.ipcc.ch
  • 3 1
 @mrniceguy42: do you really belive that? You must surely understand that there are some lifestyles that could be extended to the whole global population, in an ecological sustainable way -- using technologies that already exist -- and there are others that couldn't be

Helicoptor shuttles are currently part of the latter, obviously. Internet is fine though, we just need more clean energy online, but that's already happening. And we need to make our tech last, which we also know how to do

The only people claiming we have to return to a pre-technological society are some really fringe environmentalists, and people like you
  • 2 0
 @vinay: And how exactly is 3 gondolas running all day long year round at Whistler any less detrimental for the environment ?

It's just so simple saying "bwah helicopter bad". You won't fix climate by shiting on influencers. This issue is just waaaaaay too global. If you really want to change anything do it with your right to vote and even then it won't amount to much.
  • 1 0
 @zabala: the fact that we are here arguing about it kinda leans to the not a consensus side.
  • 2 0
 "Get to the choppa!"
  • 3 0
 I get it… emissions, luxury, waste, climate change… we’re in agreement here. But how many of you have ACTUALLY been heli biking? It’s awesome.

If you mention heli skiing, people smile and drool a bit. Heli skiing is a feature among just about every single ski move ever. But bring up heli biking and everyone is up in arms? What a world.
  • 1 1
 @zabala: Easy to find consensus around the money... Have you seen who support them, have you tracked who supports that ? The first consensus/ study should be "FOLLOW THE MONEY" and understand the agendas of the ones that are spending their money for you to BELIEVE something... with that I don't mean its necessary false... But once you've figure out their interest you ll be able to trust more or less their campaigns...
  • 1 1
 @shagolagal: Thanks for asking, finally an open minded...

Here (@zabala) solar warming from a foundation that doesn't have the dirty interested from those who owns/run the world: www.resonancescience.org/blog/Is-Our-Solar-System-Heating-Up

Also BEFORE talking about climate change we should talk about CLIMATE MANIPULATION which has been recognized already by many governments and media... Chemtrails and Harp are a reality nowadays for the ones who steel see ...
  • 2 0
 @PauRexs: if you follow the money you might find Shell, BP, Repsol... I think it doesn't make sende what you're trying to expose. Our society is dependent of petroleum, be it as fuel or as the source of plastic. So... Follow the money.

There's a lot of greenwashing around this topic. They can't deny the evidence so they pretend they're doing something. They're actually slowing the agenda, not pushing it.
  • 4 2
 @Daddybear: lol heli biking should be illegal. You're such a dork . Put your energy towards the real problem. Military and mega corporations are responsible for 80 percent of the problem. I would guess heli biking is .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 percent.
  • 2 1
 @threesixtykickflip: you listen to the metal band Austrian death machine ? Haha
  • 2 1
 @MT36: absolutism is a logical fallacy. It is however a convenient tool to allow your self to justify things you do not wish to confront and except.
  • 2 0
 @TheBrickOriginal: HA! thanks for the philosophy. What the hell are you even talking about?
  • 1 0
 @tacklingdummy: Apparently most visitors to Cop 26 were Energy companies trying to protect their interests
  • 1 0
 @tacklingdummy: Apparently most visitors to Cop 26 were Energy companies trying to protect their interests
  • 1 0
 @vinay: Snowsporters are generally less connected to the nature that surrounds them
  • 1 0
 @MT36: Not everybody has a massive carbon footprint. My first mountainbike was before mountainbikes, one I pieced together from an old 1983 Peugeot tourer which I had for years. Then a Klein. More recently in 1995 a Cannondale Super V for about 10yrs, until in 2015 I bought a Yeti SB66 and its still going strong. Always bought second hand..

I think we can now safely say modern bikes are so good, the top of the range are all good. Its actually more fun to ride the old ones..

Another thing worth mentioning Is many of my holidays have been more local because they are bike/outdoors orientated which must have led to less C02 usage. I'm would think bikers as a whole are more conscious nature lovers.

Here's to many more years riding my SB66 and the old ones
  • 1 0
 @mrniceguy42: Not everybody has a massive carbon footprint. My first mountainbike was before mountainbikes, one I pieced together from an old 1983 Peugeot tourer which I had for years. Then a Klein. More recently in 1995 a Cannondale Super V for about 10yrs, until in 2015 I bought a Yeti SB66 and its still going strong. Always bought second hand..

I think we can now safely say modern bikes are so good, the top of the range are all good. It's actually more fun to ride the old ones..

Another thing worth mentioning Is many of my holidays have been more local because they are bike/outdoors orientated which must have led to less C02 usage. I'm would think bikers as a whole are more conscious nature lovers.

Here's to many more years riding my SB66 and the old ones !! (I still have them, except for the Klein that was stolen back in the 90s)
  • 1 0
 @zabala: For some positive artwork/discussion around the topic you may like: www.instagram.com/alexis.bamforth_eec
  • 1 0
 @Leggsington: Yeah I suppose on a bike you experience more nature not only during the ride but also when doing trail maintenance. In snow sports they have that all shielded from them by a fat layer of snow which, if it isn't there already, is being produced by energy and water intensive cannons. I wonder how this will evolve eventually. You'd suppose at some point more and more will realize that the lack of snow can be attributed to their actions.
  • 136 14
 It’s pretty shocking that a trail has been built specifically for helicopters, using 100s of litres of fuel per run seems insane!
  • 11 33
flag initforthedonuts (Oct 23, 2022 at 11:21) (Below Threshold)
 Would you prefer they tear up there in 3-4 side by sides for every lap, (and back down as well)? Seems like the direct environmental damage and wildlife disruption would be substantially worse.
  • 6 1
 Where are you getting 100's of litres from ?
  • 13 5
 Blackcomb helps flies predominately single engine turbines. Most characteristic of the class is the A-Star. A crappy google search gives a burn rate of 45 gallons per hour. Obviously a number of factors go into that, but the number isn’t going to triple. So, presuming we can work with the 45 gph number, and the times allotted (9 minutes), call it 20 minutes round trip including startup, and you’re at 15 gallons per lap. Granted, that’s freedom units, so if some kind European person could convert that for us…
Google says under 57 liters/litres. Not quite “100s.”
  • 7 1
 @skiandmtbdirtbag: a simple search on google shows that many turbine helicopters have a burn rate into the 100’s of litres per hr.
  • 8 5
 @Jswail: This particular heli is 157 an hour....how long do you think the fly time is to get to the top and back? I have posted below, but here is the napkin math - 15 mins (max) fly time = approx 40 kg = approx 32 ltires of avgas. Avgas and car fuel create roughly the same C02 per litre.

So the question is, how much fuel did you burn last time you went on a car trip ?
  • 18 14
 @skiandmtbdirtbag: zero, I’m on my second electric car. Haven’t bought gas in years. It’s awesome, totally recommend it when you’re able to make the switch.
  • 18 19
 @Jswail: Ever taken a plane? Where do you think the battery in your car comes from ? I got news for you, your electric car still produces C02, in fact a telsa model S creates more than a camry - www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-analysis/energy-markets/market-snapshots/2018/market-snapshot-how-much-co2-do-electric-vehicles-hybrids-gasoline-vehicles-emit.html

'100s of litres of fuel per run seems insane' is what I am replying to. So I would assume you agree that is not a fair statement ?
  • 11 4
 @skiandmtbdirtbag: Check your link for Ontario, you have to select your province to account for your energy sources, completely contradicts your point above.

If you’re going to get into the argument of embedded carbon you need to factor in the embedded carbon in making that trail.

Regardless of the exact number, I think we can both agree this is a stupid way to spend money and use gas. There are dozens of great bike parts and lift assisted trails on the west coast at a fraction of the price.
  • 3 1
 @skiandmtbdirtbag: avgas is not jet-A.
  • 14 3
 @skiandmtbdirtbag: "telsa model S creates more than a camry" Mostly nonsense. First off, not comparable cars. Compare Model 3 to Camry if you're not being disingenuous. And where your local electricity comes from factors in heavily too. For instance, my roof is covered by solar panels. So how much would my Model S produce? However, many LCAs have been done, even just in the past year, which factor in every detail, from manufacture to end of life. And even charged from the dirtiest old coal plant, a comparable EV emits far less CO2 over it's average lifespan. That's simple numbers and science, check the emotion at the door.
  • 7 12
flag teamdinosaur (Oct 23, 2022 at 14:57) (Below Threshold)
 @Jswail: what’s gonna happen to those toxic batteries from the first one when it reaches the end of its life cycle with its next owner? How much C02 did it take to mine the minerals and make the car in the first place? Do trees still breath C02 and spit out oxygen or am I trippin?
  • 20 0
 @Jswail: @sgcongleton: a couple of people have put together estimates of 40-57L per trip. Each trip carries 5 people, so effectively you can call that 8-12L per person. Say 10L as a middle-of-the-road estimate.

That's about the same amount of fuel that will get a medium size SUV about 100km, or less than a round trip between Squamish and Whistler (about 110km), or one way from North Vancouver to Whistler. I think nobody would raise an eyebrow at anybody driving Squamish to Whistler on their own just to ride bikes.

If anyone cares, BC Ferries put out about 250kg of CO2 for every nautical mile they cover, for example. Horseshoe Bay (West Van) to Departure bay (Van Island) is 36nm each way, so they create about 18 tonnes of CO2 on that round trip. Max passenger capacity is 462, meaning about 39kg CO2 per person assuming the ferry is at capacity. The heli trip is about 30kg CO2 per person, so it's actually worse to go to Vancouver Island (even as a foot passenger on what is basically public transport - not counting what you burned to get to/from the ferry), than to go heli biking.

Yeah heli-biking is indulgent and I'm sympathetic to that attitude, but compared to other mundane things we all do, it's not really a significant addition to most people's CO2 emissions, and few people are going to do it more than once in a blue moon.
  • 4 0
 @teamdinosaur: Checkout Redwood Materials. No worries about those batteries at end of life, they're like gold. Nobody will be tossing them in the landfill. And that's after their second life as stationary storage, which is usually another 10 years after they're no good for a car anymore.
  • 1 0
 @nataspihsrow: Well, it is for just one run, as opposed to a few days, or even one day with multiple runs for that SUV.
  • 2 1
 @Chuckolicious: true, it's a pretty big lap though. Plenty of people would drive up to Whistler to do Lord of the Squirrels which is also one big lap with actually a bit less vert than AlpX's descent. 1300-1600m of descending is the equivalent of about 4-5 laps of Fitz at the WBP, it's just all done in one hit.

I actually didn't do it this year because I thought the fuel consumption was more than I could justify to myself, but the more I look at it, the more I think that's not actually the case.
  • 1 0
 @nataspihsrow: Fair enough. But what about Top of the World?
  • 1 0
 @Chuckolicious: Yep, about the same vert as one lap of that. If I ride TOTW it's usually all I ride that day.
  • 8 1
 @nataspihsrow: spitting straight facts. Being environmentally conscious is important, but it’s stupid what things people get caught up on
  • 1 0
 @Jswail: just out of interest, you say your on your second, was there a problem with the first one ?
  • 4 1
 @racerben: I have a family and our first electric only had enough range for city driving. Once we could afford it we sold our van and the first electric and bought one with enough range for all our driving. No issues with it, was just not as capable as what’s on the market today.
  • 3 2
 @Jswail: everybody else burned the gas for you to produce a new vehicle with a massive battery which also requires loads of CO2 to create.
  • 2 1
 @CFR94: Here's a snip from my comments above:

"And where your local electricity comes from factors in heavily too. For instance, my roof is covered by solar panels. So how much would my Model S produce? However, many LCAs have been done, even just in the past year, which factor in every detail, from manufacture to end of life. And even charged from the dirtiest old coal plant, a comparable EV emits far less CO2 over it's average lifespan. That's simple numbers and science, check the emotion at the door."

"Checkout Redwood Materials. No worries about those batteries at end of life, they're like gold. Nobody will be tossing them in the landfill. And that's after their second life as stationary storage, which is usually another 10 years after they're no good for a car anymore."
  • 2 0
 @initforthedonuts: yeah but 57L of Jet A will get me, 3 buddies and my 2004 TDI nearly 1000km.
  • 126 54
 I should clarify a few things... Well there is not much to clarify, I was offered an heli trip to ride my bike with 3 friends and I took it. It was fun for sure but I sure feel guilty causing these C02 emissions even though Alpx is 100% Carbon Offset company and I wanted to promote this as something people who can afford it could do on a very special occasion, not as a substitute of their weekly pedal.

As a pro rider you want to get people stoked on riding, which includes doing stuff that's not too common, but also to be conscious of their impact on the planet and other people. It is such a fine line to negociate and at the end of the day our sport is not good for the planet we love. Just like the ski industry is not either. Helicopter are used on every ski movie we love to watch, to build, maintain ski resort, avalanche safety etc.
  • 43 57
flag skiandmtbdirtbag (Oct 23, 2022 at 11:21) (Below Threshold)
 Don't feel guilty mate. Most of these commenters probably create far more C02 than you do in the daily lives. When it comes to these issues a lot of people can't see the forest for the trees. Someone posted earlier that this particular heli uses 155kg/h of fuel. So back of the napkin math - 15 mins (max) fly time = approx 40 kg = approx 32 ltires of avgas. Avgas and car fuel create roughly the same C02 per litre.

So that heli trip created that same, if not less C02 as a SUV from Vancouver to whistler and back (that wasn't carbon offset for whatever that is worth) Ergo...you are hitler.
  • 10 1
 En tant que pro rider tu veux pas que les gens soient contents, tu veux qu’ils consomment les produits de tes sponsors. Alors t’envoie du rêve, peu importe si tu ch... sur la planète à coup d’arguments douteux. Pas facile d’être homme sandwich et écolo haha!
  • 15 17
 Good on you, Remy! I believe your response to all of these comments is super professional and I assumed you'd make one. Your acknowledgement of the cumulative impact of our sport is laudable. Many folks seem to think we should be guilty for everything we do regardless - I find that as I've grown older it is a good thing to minimize impact where we can within reasonable limits.
This ride looks epic and if I make it up to Whistler next summer I would hope to be able to ride it. While I enjoy the grind of "earn your turns" the heli-ride to me is something like a luxury that one can partake in every now and again. Cheers mate.
  • 7 2
 @beerrun: Yea, but Isn't Top of the World, which is there and lift accessible, basically comparable?
  • 28 2
 It's always nice with some whattaboutism in the evening. Skiers uses helis so then it's okay that I use them too.

"No worries I buy this financial instrument that magically removes co2 so it's fine"
  • 37 10
 Cmon, you know better. You are promoting a trail that was built for the sole purpose of shuttling thousands of riders up the mountain by helicopter. There is no way to argue around that or greenwash it.
  • 2 5
 I have not looked at the price of a heli drop but do you really think thousands of riders can afford it?
  • 9 0
 @theteaser: it costs about the same as a day window ticket in whistler for skiing. A LOT of people can afford it
  • 7 16
flag Leveq (Oct 23, 2022 at 21:46) (Below Threshold)
 Its crazy that we now live in a world where there's such a vocal group of vindicating green washing hypocrites that will give you shit and tell you how terrible you are for having fun. Honnetement tu devrais juste ignorer ce monde la, ils vivent dans une drole de bulle.
  • 4 1
 @theteaser: Thousands is actually low estimate. They fly six times a day, 5 days a week, four months a year, carrying ~5 riders per flight. That makes 2400 riders in a single year.
After a few years the number will be in the ten-thousands.
  • 13 0
 Carbon offsets are such a load of BS though.
  • 2 0
 @93EXCivic: Exactly. It is just made up rules by the biggest climate change polluters, so they can keep polluting while forcing policies so everyone has to change their lifestyles.
  • 1 2
 @Ttimer: Omg that's horrific.
  • 8 7
 Remi, you don't need to apologize to these keyboard warrior hypocrites. Every person on this site has a super carbon intensive lifestyle, and they are bullying you because it makes them feel better. The climate situation is real, but it is not caused by pro athletes. I apologize for the all the flak you are getting. Keep riding brother.
  • 2 1
 Yeah , but after the desert thing you don't come off as the friend of nature. Also you know what's better than carbon offset? no carbon.
  • 4 1
 @MT36: That's not fair. To put it in perspective, whatever embodied energy there is in our bikes, there currently is no lesser impact option. If there was, there'd be a legitimate argument. But heli-biking is just a super energy intensive way to get you to the top of the trail. Somewhat ironically, as I've pointed out, Top of the World trail is right there, and lift accessible, and virtually the same type of trail.

Look, helli not withstanding, I loved the actual trail video, and totally wish I was there. But while I can afford it, I wouldn't do it. Couldn't look at my young nephews in the face if I did. Now maybe the large scale human carrying electric drones will make this a reasonable activity. Charge on electricity from a field of solar panels, or hydro, or geo-thermal, and all of a sudden you've gone from super energy intensive to basically energy neutral. Then I'd be all over this!

And full disclosure, a I did a week of helli-boarding in Valdez back in 2000. It was insane. And soon after I decided I could never do that again with all the lesser impact methods being available. So that's my personal choice, no virtue signaling involved.
  • 3 1
 @Chuckolicious: Yes I agree, you are not virtue signalling, and you sound like a very reasonable person (seems like people like you are a minority on this site).

I have a beef with this cancel culture mentality on this message board. I don't appreciate all these melodramatic bleeding hearts ignoring the fact that they are massive carbon emitters as well, and I don't appreciate them telling us that it is ok for them to buy a carbon bike and drive to the trailhead, but OMG, heli biking crosses a line somehow. What a joke. That is not fair to Remi. He has done a lot to promote our sport and he exudes a healthy social vibe that is good for MTB culture, as is clear from his videos. This rant is not directed at you personally... there is just so much idiocy around this topic.
  • 2 0
 @MT36: Dude, I totally feel you. Dunno about you, but I'm a cynical mid-50's Get X who can't stand the general hypocrisy amongst the Millenial cohort. But at the same time, I'm old enough now to know that when I was younger, I might not have had the skills to express myself eloquently when faced with something I knew was bad. So I try to cut a little slack. Earlier here, I said this video was tone deaf on so many levels. And I still absolutely feel that way. Had someone presented me with this idea, I would have instantly predicted this. And I would have had some strategies for heading it off. A little blurb about carbon offsets? My god, everyone intuitively knows that's a total boondoggle. So whoever he has overseeing marketing/content really dropped the ball, and it's a ball that's been front and center for some years now, so there's no excuse. You know what this makes me think of? Trophy hunting operations in Africa. Rich A-holes who want to kill some amazing animal. It activates most people's aversion synapses. Now there's no kind of spin, legitimate or not, that's going to make killing beautiful animals simply for sport acceptable to most people. But some well thought out preambles that fully owned the ostentatious and energy intensive nature of this activity, before anything else, would have gone a long way. For instance, I didn't know the positive angle that these operations do S&R for the area too, so this is a way for them to stay in business more easily.

Anyway, I'm rambling now. Just hope my nephews get to enjoy life to the same extent I have, heck, maybe even better if at all possible. Ride on!
  • 3 8
flag Daddybear (Oct 24, 2022 at 11:50) (Below Threshold)
 @remymetailler stop your insanity , do you think that you had made the people stoke to ride with this kind of video? just look at the comment here and youtube..... but yeah just continu to act like everything is normal in your youtube world petit enfant gate
  • 3 2
 Deleted quite a few critical comments on YouTube, great job
  • 3 4
 @Daddybear: I'd be stoked to do a heli drop! As I'm sure 90% of mountain bikers would be. Well, minus the 1% that read pinkbike and have such a miserable life they feel the need to shit it on an influencer to make themselves feel better.

This comment section is embarrassing.
  • 1 2
 @Daddybear: HA! I definitely got stoked after this video. I don't know a singer mountainbiker who would pass on an opportunity for a heli drop. Speak for yourself dude. Somehow this comment section attracted the most joyless cross section of the pinkbike community.
  • 75 17
 Riding across delicate deserts off trail, heli drops to ride; man Remy sure is a climate conscious character!
  • 9 1
 It’s been quite interesting seeing how he is handling the backlash from the Moab situation……..
  • 6 1
 @stormracing: what's this Moab situation about? From his recent vids down there?
  • 4 0
 @girthystanchion: thanks, I had no idea. Did he actually respond? Scrolled through the comments on that post, didn't see anything from him.
  • 8 4
 @Boissal: Not worth his time. Life is short.
  • 7 7
 @mtbforlife4: honestly it's a pretty weak criticism about riding "delicate deserts off-trail" when the action he got called out for was literally riding a rock roll. It's just a rock face. There is no flora or fauna or gut microbiomes or space algae or limestone feelings getting hurt.
  • 17 0
 @nataspihsrow: I believe that the argument against him was for promoting illegal, off-trail riding. Apparently, local trail organizations have found it difficult to legally build trails due to environmental conservation opposition. Maybe the special sand and rocks that Remy rode over don't matter in the grand scheme of things, but since his video got 25 million views for riding an illegal spot, someone opposing local trail organizations will probably see it and use it to try to stop the creation of more trails.

Pretty much everywhere, trails are difficult to legally build when faced with environmental concerns. I, personally, wouldn't want my local illegal trails being blown up on social media.

So I think the apparent issue is more to do with his social media reach and less to do with him, as an individual rider, riding an illegal spot.
  • 1 0
 @anaughtymouse: trail advocacy is one thing and that aspect might be completely fair (especially since some guy also did the line and crashed hard), but the original criticism that @mtbforlife4 made was about Remy being a "climate conscious character" which I think is not merited at all. Let's separate out trail advocacy/legality/safety from climate change - they aren't related.
  • 1 3
 @nataspihsrow: I do believe the climate change criticism is merited for him promoting a heli biking specific trail. For the Moab ordeal, I agree that Remy himself does not deserve climate change criticism since he is just one rider that isn't going to directly ruin a whole desert. However, it does appear that the reason why that spot is illegal is because of local environmental concerns (not talking about climate change here) in this particular trail legality incident. So climate change is unrelated here, but local environmental concerns are, in my opinion.
  • 2 1
 Dude can we stop with the melodrama? He is riding sandstone its rock!
  • 5 1
 @anaughtymouse: again, the line he was "in trouble" for riding and filming was literally a massive rock face. I cannot think of anything short of concrete that would be less damaged by riding a bike on it, including pretty much any legal trail. It is absolutely ridiculous to think that there are any legitimate environmental concerns associated with that, regardless of its legality. If you want to make the argument that he shouldn't have ridden it (and published it) because it's illegal, that's fine, but it's just such absolute BS to try to tie that specific action to environmental concerns.
  • 1 2
 @nataspihsrow: I don’t think you understand what he was “in trouble” for riding…. The rock was not the concern. You should read more about it again
  • 1 1
 @stormracing: I do understand. I don’t think you read what I posted.
  • 1 2
 @nataspihsrow: I really don’t think you do… the rock is not what was of concern for damage. If you know what he damaged that was of actual impact to the area… please do tell me. Cuz right now your long winded explanation did not actually cover what damaged
  • 1 1
 @stormracing: read the whole post. Not just the first sentence.
  • 1 1
 @nataspihsrow: not once in that whole post do you mention what the real damage was to…….
  • 1 1
 @stormracing: I'll spell it out for you. I've read the Moab MBA thing. That's fine, you can criticize the legality of what he's doing and say it's harmful to the local trail organization, trail access and the reputation of mountain bikers. I've made it pretty clear in several posts that I think that's a legit criticism.

What you can't do, is somehow tie that line he rode in with actual environmental concerns. Especially about the climate, as the original guy I responded to said. That is just absolute bullshit.
  • 1 1
 @nataspihsrow: first part is all fair. Yep, exactly as they stated. Definitely a legit criticism.


The actual environmental concerns are the damage he caused after the line was completed and as he was riding out. That’s what’s also very fragile in the area and a major concern too.

The climate part? Yeah. I ain’t trying to argue that in any way or even try to tie climate to it haha
  • 121 68
 Sorry Remy, I understand you are doing your job here, but when you are so media exposed you have a social responsibility that goes with it. I am unfollowing you for now. Will miss your videos though.
  • 35 66
flag 14pslope (Oct 23, 2022 at 5:39) (Below Threshold)
 lolololol
  • 3 0
 Being a public figure does not mean you have a social responsibility, BUT he could choose to be an advocate for the environment ... he didn't make that choice yet.
  • 39 6
 There’s such a huge assumption among commenters that everyone drives to the trailhead, and everyone rides park. The vast majority of riders I know and see hop on their bike and simply pedal to the trails. Every time I ride I end up seeing half a dozen riders on local bike paths on their way to the trailhead. Plenty of people come in from out of town to park n ride but just sayin, it’s not everyone. Perhaps not even the majority.
  • 3 0
 I'd say if you can pedal to a nice trailhead, you're lucky. In the UK at least, a lot of people ride out of town to the trail centres or where ever, and getting public transport to a good riding spot ranges from being a nightmare to impossible I do hope you're right, but my intuation has always been the opposite
  • 2 0
 @overconfident: I honestly don't know what would be considered "nice" haha. The reason being that it kills it for me if I have to drive to my riding spot so I really only know what I can bike to and what I've found while on vacation. I'm not the pickiest rider, but there's plenty of people that drive one hour or more to ride where I live so it must be half decent.

That's too bad! What are the regulations like to build sanctioned trails in your area?
  • 1 0
 @Chondog94: well, there's a decent little jump spot perhaps 45 mins from my doorstep, and that 45 mins is a nice XC ride, aside from in winter when it's pure slop. It's been flattened by the local council a couple of times, but not for many years now. But Jesus, even though it's right on the edge of town a lot of people even drive to that place

Anyway, I mostly ride XC nowadays, precisely so I can ride from my doorstep. I can do a 50km mostly offroad loop from home (with a few jumps on the way out of town to remind myself how to do it), so I'm relatively lucky too.
  • 31 5
 Can we please not make Heli-biking a thing... Heli-skiing is bad enough, but at least that makes marginally more sense, given you're skiing remote areas not trails you can clearly access, considering you built a trail there...
  • 34 7
 Tone deaf on so many levels.
  • 32 10
 I am sorry but Heli Biking is not mountain bike! Lot of shitstorm for folks with a battery (I am not one of them to be clear) and nothing to complain about this kerosene party laps?
  • 21 16
 Driving your car to the bike park IS NOT biking
  • 21 2
 @14pslope: but the bike park is concentrated lift-assist in a small geographic area, and the lift is pretty efficient people per unit of energy, and it's damn fun. Don't let perfect be the enemy of better!
  • 3 3
 @14pslope: climbing average +1200 m starting from home is.
  • 19 1
 It's interesting that the trail is 'restricted access' according to the blurb on Trailforks. Do 'AlpX' own the mountain? Is it privately owned and people are banned from accessing the mountain but AlpX have rights? Or......is it public land? Hmmmm.....
  • 22 0
 To partly answer my own question, looks like they have tenure on public land: www.alpx.ca/tenure

Which means that anyone else can access the land. Maybe I'll apply for a Section 57 to build a climb trail Big Grin
  • 6 0
 @wake-n-rake: typically tenure gives exclusive commercial access, but cannot restrict private (non commercial) access.
  • 1 3
 @nateb: @nateb: Ummm... No. Typically tenure does not give exclusive commercial access.
  • 3 0
 @trillot: maybe not always exclusive, although I don’t know this for sure. In my limited experience in and around golden bc I don’t know of multiple commercial tenures being awarded for the same area.
  • 3 0
 @nateb: for mountain biking multiple commercial tenures can exist for the same area. Helicopters complicate it a bit for obvious safety reasons… they tend to be more exclusive tenures.
  • 6 0
 Ridiculous they "hid" the location of a trail they built on public land. You could e-mail the gov office and get location through a FOI request... but its not too hard to find where exactly the trail is without doing all that paperwork. Looks like half of it goes through a cutblock so partially shuttle-able if the road is still in alright shape.
  • 17 1
 I have literally zero idea why I just read the entire thread debating tenures in a country I've never even been to.
  • 2 0
 @nateb: sorry, you're right, I misread the initial statemetn. Yes, tenure typically does give exclusive commercial access - but doesn't typically restrict public access.
  • 5 0
 @yoki-bike: because honestly, the internet is a great way to find out if other countries around the world have to deal with the same ass-clowns as you do. Somehow comforting and discomforting at the same time to learn that ass-clowns have spread out and are now endemic around the world.
  • 3 0
 @kookseverywhere: already know several people how have been up there without the aid of a helicopter, fairly manageable afternoon mission.
  • 1 0
 @trillot: I don't know the specifics of this tenure but in the sea to sky, there are no other exclusive commercial recreation tenures for mountain bike operators. The mechanized element might change this, but for normal mtb guiding operators on crown land, you're not getting exclusive anything.
At the point of application, you might suggest an annual trail capacity on a specific trail though and have to report rider useage back to the crown. If that's the case here then alpx would want to keep non paying clients off the trail to not burn up it's capacity.
I'd be surprised if there's even an mtb specific tenure in place anyway. The crown isn't moving quickly on these applications.
  • 1 0
 @kookseverywhere: It looks like the lower helipad is about right here on Ipsoot Mtn

goo.gl/maps/bpMq8y8iXrKCJi847

The upper one they dont go to in this video looks almost at the peak of Ipsoot.
  • 2 0
 Crown land file # 2411936. "miscellaneous" commercial recreation tenure - license of occupation..
A license of occupation allows them to make minor improvements, incl things like the landing pads. iirc it allows maintenance of existing trails, but not building of a new trail

"A License of Occupation conveys fewer rights than a lease. A License of Occupation conveys non-exclusive use, is not a registerable interest, and does not require a survey. Although this tenure is non-exclusive, Improvements such as cabins and fuel caches may be locked." -front counter bc
  • 22 5
 While I don’t agree with this, how many people that commented on this fly to Whistler every season to ride? I’m having a hard time understanding the difference here…
  • 11 6
 Also…. I was at Whistler a few years ago and construction machinery ran all day, every day. Just sayin’. That has to be way worse than the occasional heli run. What about e-bike batteries? Nobody talking about that.

That heli run looks fun as sh*t.
  • 14 12
 It's the do as I say, not as I do mentality. If you haven't noticed, there are a lot of self righteous smug c*nts in PB comments. The same people bitching and moaning about stuff like this are out living the "van life", or taking trips all over the globe to ride the latest and greatest trails and bikes while drinking their little IPA's and posting their journeys all over social media on their latest Iphone made with conflict minerals. The hypocrisy is astounding.
  • 9 0
 I don’t really give a shit about heli biking or not (I’d be down, for sure) but I think the fair comparison here would be a lift vs. heli, since the heli didn’t take Remi across the Atlantic, and then up the mountain…
  • 2 1
 Commercial airplane vs Helicopter is not even close in comparison in terms of fuel use. I fly in the winter for a heliski, and the pilots say it themselves that helicopters are really bad at fuel efficiency.
  • 2 0
 @carters75: so do you think it's better to be consistently unethical than inconsistently ethical?
  • 12 1
 Love your edits Remy, but let's be clear, carbon offsets are total BS.
Basically just greenwashing to buy a guilt-free conscience.
Lots of really good economic and ecological literature on it, but here's a highly consumable vid that summarizes the mechanisms and its problems nicely:

www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tVP1zc0LDEryE4qKSwyYPSSzMrPyFPIz8ksSy1SSE4sSsoH8tLSilNLACp-Dq0&q=john+oliver+carbon+offset&oq=jon+oliver+carbo&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j46i10i512j0i10i512l7.4400j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
  • 18 9
 In for a penny in for a pound- all of the critical people need to look inwards, we're all flailing around quite a lot here... We all need to carefully choose where we spend our money and what we buy and how we pollute.. buying a cyber truck isn't going to solve anything, switching out your 29er that's 2 years old for a new one isn't going to solve anything. You don't keep moving, you must slow down. Easy to get overwhelmed because we're in early days of modifying our entire paradigm. It will happen, because it has to.
  • 10 1
 Man, 40 liters of fuel for a trail ride...
  • 8 9
 @Simzesun: Plenty of people drive to whistler from van to ride, and burn more than that.
  • 31 1
 @skiandmtbdirtbag: but the people that use the helicopter also did the car drive. Some even came by plane first to VAN and then the car. It all adds up.
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flag skiandmtbdirtbag (Oct 23, 2022 at 12:21) (Below Threshold)
 @mitochris: So in your mind someone that drives from van to whistler is ok, but if they drive from abbotsford they are are monster? The point is people are shitting on remy and pb for the equivalent of a van to whis bike trip, as if Remy is out there clubbing baby seals. It's missing the forest for the trees. You wanna talk real change? Don't buy a new car, buy a second hand economy car. Don't have kids. Do those two things and you will have offset enough to do 10,000 heli bike laps.

Disclaimer: not shaming those that have kids, just putting things in perspective.
  • 11 0
 @skiandmtbdirtbag: I was not shitting on anyone or calling anyone a monster. You simplified it too much, as you did now in your response to me, insinuating that only local people use the helibike. The argument I dislike is that because I don’t do (A) I’m not allowed to complain/demand change about (B). We would be nowhere if that would be life.
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flag skiandmtbdirtbag (Oct 23, 2022 at 15:12) (Below Threshold)
 @mitochris: You can complain all you want mate, show me where I said you couldn't. I didn't insinuate that only local people use the helibike at any point. I made a comparison of the C02 from the heli vs the 1000's of people that drive from van to whistler every day.

You want to demand change? So you do that by complaining on a PB message board about a guy who went on a heli to go biking. Calm down Rosa Parks.
  • 4 1
 @mitochris: yeah that's fair enough, but then what percentage of the overall is the heli? If you flew to Vancouver from say the UK, you're emitting about 1350kg of CO2 per person for the flight, and the heli is about 30kg per person. so about 2% of your trip (assuming everything else magically has zero emissions and you would have emitted nothing if you'd stayed home). Obviously "only" 2% worse is still worse not better, but let's not make out as though it's an outsized contributor to global warming or even any individual's carbon footprint - it really isn't.
  • 2 0
 @nataspihsrow: yeah. You are right. Might as well. In fact, it would be a sin not to.
Look, I understand the conflict. It’s not a great contribution to the overall problem and there are other ways to have a better impact. I also understand that this finances partly the rescue efforts done there. On the other hand, I also understand the growing frustration among people who want to see serious change, because the status quo is not sustainable and it seems that it is not taken serious enough.
  • 2 0
 @mitochris: yeah those are reasonable points I think. However I think heli-biking is such an incredibly niche thing (you can do it max 5 places in the world afaik - Sea to Sky, Revelstoke, Retallack, maybe somewhere else too?) with such a minor CO2 output per person, that it's a drop in the ocean compared to other things we could all be focusing on. It isn't an industry that's about to boom, it's already been tried several times and it isn't a very viable way of doing things for a bunch of logistical and economic reasons unrelated to its carbon footprint.
  • 2 0
 @nataspihsrow: I agree with you.
  • 1 1
 @nataspihsrow: I agree with you, but heli biking is offered in many many places around the world. chilcotins, new zealand, places in the states places through europe.
  • 2 0
 @skiandmtbdirtbag: It's rarer than that. Chilcotins is only temporary until they replace the plane that crashed this summer. NZ yep you can do it in Queenstown, but it is barely a thing in Europe - I am pretty sure you can only do it in Zermatt. Google says you can do it in Iceland too (which for everyone else means flying to Iceland first) but can't find anywhere in the US that's offering it except for apparently a place in Alaska that doesn't even have it on their website.
  • 16 3
 E-bikes > Choppers.
  • 12 1
 Jib off the last members of the dwindling caribou herd while you’re up there.
  • 2 0
 there have never been caribou on the coast
  • 2 0
 @flipfantasia: but then why do we have so much rain, dear?
  • 9 3
 Ridiculous.
Oh, driving to bikepark and buy some bikes made from every part of the world is a good excuse for helibiking ? Well in that case why not just not make any effort at all ? Lets just finsish consuming every part of this planet t'ill the end, because everyone does it you know !
  • 10 4
 PP Bro comments are out of hand, the sport is full of bros driving huge trucks, them tuning in for WC & EWS coverage where riders/staff/gear are flown all over the world, and the Bros want to fly to places like Whistler to ride. And somehow this video is the problem............ .Keep up the good work Remy, I love your videos and this one too. Probably would not spend the on the heli drop for this trial, but still interesting.
  • 3 0
 Yep your right on this! Cant blame single person for anything. It is good to bring up this kinds of discussions because nothing will change if we globally will not want it to change. I think it is good that this video was made it made us think is it ok or not!
  • 19 14
 Climate change only matters if you’re not doing something cool for YouTard. Commuting….climate change is horrible. Big mall crawler trucks…..climate change is horrible. Heli drops for the sake of a YouTube video…..climate change? I mean really, do helicopters use THAT much fuel? It’s not like they had to run the heli up there a couple hundred times just to build the trail. C’mon!
  • 9 4
 MTB Industry, helping bolster climate change since...at least 2018. I stopped looking after just a couple of finds, and I couldn't find the PB staff trip where Brian Park busted up his wrist/arm. Every year there's something about the heli this-or-that. Whoever mentioned how much $ is tied up in this industry sub-niche hit the nail on the head.

www.pinkbike.com/news/the-pinkbike-crew-visits-retallack-video-and-photo-epic.html

www.pinkbike.com/news/photo-epic-pinkbike-vip-heli-drop-crankworx-whistler-2019.html
  • 8 0
 I’m pretty sure you can get to the trailhead by riding *up* 9k of singletrack…
  • 12 3
 I've stopped eating beans to reduce my personal methane emissions
  • 27 23
 Interesting to hear all the climate change comments. I’m all for a greener future, but I’m also a strong advocate for having riot on my mountain bike (my bike was hand made 600km from where I live and they source all materials for my bike within 500km radius of where it was built). If you quickly research, here’s what you’ll find. These are smaller helicopters and the average fuel consumption per hour is 5-20 gallons of fuel. The cost per group of up to 5 is $1795 Canadian. If you do the math the cost and fuel consumption is actually quite low per person. I’m guessing here, but probably a 15-20 minute ride each way, working out to let’s say roughly 8-12 gallons of fuel. This obviously doesn’t include travel to Whistler etc. I don’t know that I would make such a big deal about this personally, but you’re welcome to cry about it and complain that this isn’t real mountain biking blah blah blah. Then buy a bike manufactured in the other side of the world and drive all over the place to ride it. Some people are so up tight and no, I don’t drive some diesel truck with testicles hanging off the back. I try to do my part as well. I sold my gas guzzling Toyota Tundra a few years and am driving a KIA Rio while I wait patiently for my Tesla Cyber Truck. I’ve going from 16L/100km to less than 6L/100km and soon to be less. If you are going to complain about this heli ride, please post what type of vehicle you drive, annual distance driven, what type of bike you ride, how often you eat meat blah blah blah….blah blah blah blah….. I’ll be ripping this trail 2023 and I’ll be taking a flight up.
  • 4 4
 So true
  • 15 0
 looking at the pic that is a as350b3dh heli and it burns 155kg/h of fuel, in some tech info it says 190l/h. it has Turbomeca Arriel 2B turboshaft engine, 632 kW (848 hp)
  • 15 3
 I am driving a Fiesta which is way lower than 6L/100 km and I bike to work every day from mid March to mid November (check my trailfork) and 95% of my MTB rides start from home. Or I travel to riding place with swisspost bus. So yes in my opinion helibiking is pure pollution. All my three bikes (a specy, a evil and a canyon) come from overseas, but I think as now I have compensated CO2. I don't really understand all that pickup with bike on, this is a thing I find strange in US and also the need to mountain biking in park and trailcentre. Don't read this in a bad way I am simply saying that here every where there are trail and you can ride but you have to gain the uphill before.
  • 9 5
 People should also look into why these companies do this. The main purpose of AlpX, Blackhawk, and others is simply to have helicopters and pilots who’s services can be used when necessary. Helicopters are essential for SAR teams, especially in a rugged place like whistler. They offer heli biking and heli skiing just so they can stay in business while not saving lives. It’s not only less harmful than people think, it’s necessary
  • 2 2
 I mean good on you for saving CO2 by doing the things you have mentioned. But everyone still has to answers themself the question if riding just one "special" trail worth the amount of pollution? For me this is where I draw the line of it not being senseful anymore.
  • 7 4
 True story: Pedaling up to micro climate, ran into a local, and had a pleasant conversion. He asked "where are you from?"

:Alberta.
: Oh, its a shame what you guys are doing to the environment.
: You from here?
:Yah I work for Blackcomb Helicopters.
:LMAO!

The worst part is that I think this guy truly believes Blackcomb Helicopters has little to no environmental footprint. I think hypocrisy must be leaching into the Whistler valley water supply, because it so prevalent.
  • 1 0
 @thejake: I drive a Tesla model 3 SR+ or bike the 5km to my local trails. I like skiing and snowboarding and still want to be able to do them in 20 yrs
  • 2 3
 @billybilly: blackcomb heli does do a full carbon offset for all their flights
  • 1 0
 so you think its 120.00 bucks pp for a tow to the top
  • 2 1
 @audeo03: Posture much? I haven't owned a car for the past 4 years. I ride my bike, walk or take public transportation everywhere I go.
I have been wanting to be able to do cross country trips so I just bought a motorcycle. Riding at highway speed it gets about 70 mpg. Now I'm trying to figure out how to strap my mountain bike on the back.

I'm not down on Remy personally about this, he has to do things like this to keep him alive professionally. That doesn't make it any more acceptable.
  • 1 0
 This is a very good point
  • 1 0
 @olafthemoose: This is a very good point. Would love to hear from blackcomb helicopters on this subject.
  • 12 8
 Wow...the level of ignorance and media narrative followsheep here is surprising... I'm for keeping our planet as natural/clean as possible, but we are part of nature too... Don't be mislead that we are not, or that are not worthy of it. The biggest pollutants in the world are big corporations. Following the so called "green" fad is turning out to be another for profit endeavor. Ev, solar, etc are not more clean that fossils... do you think that the energy for production of those products comes from "clean" sources? Raw material mining? waste after product life span is not highly polluting? We need to transition to a cleaner and more accessible (for everyone) energy source but so far it seems good alternatives have been hidden, profitable?? Question everything, specially if it comes from the handlers of our current society...
  • 7 3
 It's a cool video perspective of a guy doing something we'd all love to do if we had the chops and cash. It's not like he's doing this every weekend. People complaining about this likely have little to no concept as to how wasteful they are in their everyday, year-round consumption.
  • 9 3
 Only 100 companies are responsible for 71% of emissions. All of you activists blaming heli drops for a pro mtber is pretty misdirected.
  • 3 1
 and those 100 companies are working with our governments and our media sources to ensure we believe climate change is our fault and so we need to pay more (or higher) taxes.
  • 9 2
 We did this ride this past summer and it was awesome. Highly recommend it.
  • 4 0
 Heli recommend it.
  • 2 0
 @colincolin: Heli recoptermend it
  • 3 0
 I have gone with blackcomb helis every time I have been to whistler, it's good times and it's a fraction of the emissions from just one 20 hr round trip on the plane that I take to get there. The environment is important but people need to live, you don't see up roar in the whistler car park over all the boat sized pickups parked there.
  • 2 0
 All this (understandable) angst about heli-biking becoming "a thing", but I'm not seeing any comments abotu whether you can get up there via a good old-fashioned hike-a-bike instead.
Sneaky f*ckers have hidden the location on Trailforks.
  • 1 0
 Im pretty sure they don't have exclusive rights to it since its on crown land.

here is where the helipad is. goo.gl/maps/bpMq8y8iXrKCJi847

The trail ends on and parallels the road to the south of the ridge. So drive on up there and let us know how the ride up is!
  • 4 0
 LOL. So build the climbing trail, rent e bikes, and sell the carbon offsets to the heli with an on-site auction. Big Grin
  • 28 27
 I love people’s random thresholds for “This is bad for the climate”. Flying across the ocean to ride lift access trails? Totally fine. Getting shuttled up a mountain quickly by helicopter? You’re worse than Hitker.
  • 6 0
 Well yes, everyone has their personal threshold.
And I don't think people who condemn this Heli trail are people who'll fly transatlantic to do just a dozen laps and fly back...
I don't do either, I haven't calculated the environmental impact.
It's the responsibility of people who do this/consider doing this, to calculate their impact and take that into consideration on their destination choices.
  • 10 7
 “Worse that Hitler”. Are you f*cking for real? What a clown.
  • 7 4
 Ugh, my reading comprehension obviously needs work…
  • 8 1
 @powpowpow said it: We all produce CO2. All of us do a sport that is part of our high consumption life style. But we don't publish videos with a signiifcant coverage promoting that lifestyle. We don't push other people to do the same thing. Quite a difference IMO
  • 3 1
 Excellent example of how an activity can be cool and fun and horribly damaging to the environment. I chose to vacation on cruise ships, enjoy it but holy fuck the environment impact.
  • 6 3
 Heli Biking? My god. I wouldn't imagine some people participating in such a disastrous "aventure". Is this going to increase in high altitude as snow cover is disappearing?
  • 6 2
 This and then riding on cryptobiotic soil in the same week, rough week for Remi…
  • 3 0
 The irony in his comment above
“ but also to be conscious of their impact on the planet”
  • 6 1
 Compare having kids versus this heli drop..
  • 8 7
 2022 and still promoting this kind of activities... Laughable and immoral. Carbon offsets are already proving to not exactly be working, so they at least should be reserved to critical markets activities, not a few pro riders little ego trips. And yes, I know it's a marginal activity, but it shouldn't promoted nonetheless. When everybody is trying incremental steps to be better, this kind of behavior isn't acceptable.
  • 3 7
flag skiandmtbdirtbag (Oct 23, 2022 at 18:30) (Below Threshold)
 You got/planning on having kids ?
  • 5 2
 @skiandmtbdirtbag: What's the point in saving the planet if not for future generations? I would like to understand your perspective and I hope not to cause an argument. It's something I am very genuinely wondering.

I can see that a human life causes wear and tear to the planet. But when I hear this question it makes me wonder why someone might consider the current (or previous) state of the planet to be more more valuable than future humans experiencing life, with its joys (many of which are found in nature itself), trials, and triumphs...

It seems to me that the logical end sadly devalues one's own existence. Or am I way out to lunch?
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 @AndrewHornor: 'According to a 2017 study, having a child in a developed nation adds 58.6 tonnes of CO2 per year to your carbon footprint'

There will be a future generation whether or not you have kids. But YOUR choice to have a child is equivalent to roughly 600 heli laps per year. I am in no way shaming someone that has kids, but if this is all about accountability and the actual consequences of our actions on the planet, having a child eclipses any other choice you make, and a heli trip is so far down that list its ridiculous.
  • 1 0
 @skiandmtbdirtbag: ok, that's fair. I'm right with you on the heli trip being a tiny drop in the bucket, maybe not worth the verbal lashing Remy's taken here. And, I had no idea the specific impact of a child.

So it's not an existential thing then - just hard numbers, cool.
  • 2 0
 @AndrewHornor: Not sure how it would be existential ? It's focusing on the things that will actually make a difference thing. There is a difference between pointing fingers at someone or something to make yourself feel better about an issue and pointing your finger at someone or something to actually make a difference to that issue. The critics here are doing the former.
  • 2 0
 @skiandmtbdirtbag: well, I talked to someone once who as best as I could tell, believed that the planet is more important than the people, and if we all weren't here the earth would heal itself and that would be the most desirable outcome. Due to interpersonal dynamics in that conversation I didn't press into it, but it still comes to mind often. I thought if your perspective was along those lines maybe I could get a better understanding from you vs. someone in a position of authority who I couldn't afford to offend.

There aren't many people that would like to disappear just to benefit the rainforests - there had to be some nuance I was missing.
  • 2 0
 @AndrewHornor: 'There aren't many people that would like to disappear just to benefit the rainforests' This isn't a Thanos situation. The world isn't going to run out of people. If the critics here are actually worried about their personal contribution to CO2, but have had or plan on having kids, they have lost any foothold to ague against a heli biking mountain biker. This is all virtue signalling at it's finest.
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 @skiandmtbdirtbag: yeah but on the other hand, if you don't have kids, who are you saving the planet for?
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 @nataspihsrow: The billions of people that already exist. The billions of other kids that will be born either way, the trillions of animals that live here.
  • 4 2
 Man I pine for 7 years ago when not a single keyboard warrior virtue signalled about C02 on a heli trip in squamish -
www.pinkbike.com/news/the-fro-riders-in-disneyland-2015.html
  • 3 0
 Photos by Ale di Lullo celebrating the beautiful nature combined with huge pickup trucks, heli flying and afterwards having dinner with tons of single use packaging and plastics was already a super weird combo in 2015. And judging by the comments on that article, the builders and locals also feared that heli biking for the masses would fuck up the trails ridden by these sponsored riders on that ad.
  • 1 0
 @JohSch: heli biking is never going to be "for the masses". It's just too expensive and has too little carrying capacity.
  • 1 0
 I fly a heli up to the most remote moutains to cruise my ebike down and fish for rare native trout on carbon fly rods using barbed hooks but it's cool because there is also a helicopter floating around at rampage and and the Hooters by my house got busted for dumping their grease in the river.
  • 1 0
 This is wrong on many levels. I’d like to speak up for wildlife and the grizzly bear population which has really been down in numbers but more recently are returning to the area. They have been seen on Rainbow and Sproatt mtn and from what I gather efforts are being made, such as trail closures, especially when in hyperphagia so they may freely forage for food.
Noisy helicopters overhead are not conducive to coexistence and should be banned IMHO
  • 16 14
 Well…I thought it was cool. It’s hilarious to me how many of you act like you’ve never used a drop of fuel in your life.
  • 15 15
 If you take 30 seconds to go to the website of the heli op you find this : 'As a 100% Carbon Offset company since 2018, Blackcomb Helicopters//AlpX offsets the emissions from your trip. This includes emissions created by your flight, shuttle, and our base of operations. If you would like to further reduce your footprint by doubling your contribution, we invite you to do so during checkout. Donations will go towards the Nature Conservancy of Canada. Learn more about our carbon offsetting here.'

Further more the heli uses at a very rough estimate 10-20 gallons per trip...about what a SUV uses to go from van to whistler and back. I am all for being environmentally conscious, I think a lot of you are simply jealous and are finding a way to justify your anger.
  • 30 1
 Purchasing “Offsets” does not magically make the pollution produced by the activity go away. In fact, most of the offsets that companies purchase are for vague plans being implemented thousands of miles away, and are often speculative in nature. Like betting on futures. None of the direct pollution being created by AlpX through their heli operation is being mitigated in the region they are operating in.
  • 3 9
flag skiandmtbdirtbag (Oct 23, 2022 at 10:03) (Below Threshold)
 @adamszymkowicz: Probably doing a lot more good than a family of four driving from Vancouver to Whistler creating the same amount of CO2 is offsetting.
  • 8 0
 @skiandmtbdirtbag: Probably not. I agree with adam's sentiments above....I think he's pretty accurate to critique a lot of the BS in carbon offsetting. John oliver (yes, it's an extreme left example, but still) did a good episode on carbon offsets very recently. The more you learn about how they work, the more you realize what a joke the whole system really is.

The fundamental IDEA of it is good, but implimentation is everything, and sadly it's just one more system where loopholes get exploited by rich companies with good lawyers.
  • 5 2
 @rory: I agree, my point is more the C02 from a family car driving to whistler is approx the same as the heli time, and yet Remy is the scum of the earth, and 10,000 cars that come to whistler ever weekend are not.
  • 4 1
 @skiandmtbdirtbag: except he ALSO drove to Whistler in his souped up truck, and that thing doesn’t care if there’s one person or eight in it. Remy’s not a bad dude, he’s doing this because he’s being paid to make it look cool, but to not acknowledge the hypocrisy inherent in the situation is absurd. I generally ride my mtb from my house to the trails, or carpool to trails with friends. I don’t really have any interest in riding lifts with my bike (I do enough of that in the winter) or flying around the world to ride anymore now that I’m old and have a family. There are always environmental cows associated with recreational sports, but heli-biking (and skiing/snowboarding imo) is among the most egregiously anti-environmental actions one can take in an ostensibly environmentally conscious sport.
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 @adamszymkowicz: I mean if you want real talk...having kids is about the biggest thing you can do to add C02 to the world.
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 @adamszymkowicz: They dont just purchase offsets. They contribute to offsetting initiatives such as tree planting, community recycling projects and other things. They also contribute a substantial amount to community trail caretakers as well. All locally based. You should do some reading before you go slagging a company in a public space.
  • 4 0
 @skiandmtbdirtbag ...I'd like to see your source and how you converted weighted fuel and a flight plan to a rough estimate of 10-20 gallons per trip. I found the following pdf for one of the units Blackcomb Helicopters looks to use for mtb passenger and bike delivery. Page 38 looks at consumption at recommended cruise speeds, but doesn't mention start up, warm up, hover/landing, second ascent, passenger/bike load, altitude gain, temperature variance, landing/cooldown, total trip duration, etc. Full disclosure, I'm not a pilot, but having been in a heli three times and airplanes dozens of times, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around "10-20 gallons" is the going rate for a loaded passenger helicopter on whatever distance/elevation this trip is. I also don't know if this heli does multiple trips in a day (I assume so, therefore 10-20 x N where N is number of trips). Also full disclosure, I got through high school math so I'm confident in that last equation. In my mind, no way a Forerunner from Van to Whis is using more fuel than this heli.

www.hdf.fr/public/PDF/B3_PDF.pdf

I am by no means saying Remy is terrible or this company is terrible or you shouldn't ride this trail or whatever. And I know more cars make more Whistler trips than this heli makes. I was just making light of how the same complaints come up every time Heli Company X gets mentioned, and it's every riding season. I think there's a lot of ignorance and lost perspective when people get bent out of shape about the environment.
  • 2 0
 @iammarkstewart: From a previous commenter: Blackcomb helps flies predominately single engine turbines. Most characteristic of the class is the A-Star. A crappy google search gives a burn rate of 45 gallons per hour. Obviously a number of factors go into that, but the number isn’t going to triple. So, presuming we can work with the 45 gph number, and the times allotted (9 minutes), call it 20 minutes round trip including startup, and you’re at 15 gallons per lap. Granted, that’s freedom units, so if some kind European person could convert that for us…
Google says under 57 liters/litres'

Another commenter listed the specific heli which has a hourly fuel usage of 157kg per hour. Jet fuel is .8 litres per kg. so 125 litres per hour. I don't think this heli would be flying for as much as 20 minutes per lap but lets be generous. Thats 41 litres per lap, or 10.8 gallons.
  • 1 0
 @skiandmtbdirtbag: I think you have your numbers wrong. Jet fuel is not heavier than water. It is about .8 kg/l , not the other way around. So that puts it closer to 200 l/hr and 60 liters/lap.

Is that much? It's probably a lot less than what Remi used when he traveled to Moab. It's a lot more than he would have used if he had chosen to ride his bike up (to another trail obviously).
  • 4 0
 @ak-77: You are right, 60, not 40 litres. Remi lives in squamish, he doesn't have to go to whistler to ride. Would he get so heavily criticized if he chose to ride in whistler, or, heaven forbid, pemberton, instead of riding at home ?

The IFHT crew didn't receive any criticism when they drove an RV around BC, creating more C02 than this heli trip, they have plenty of good riding in the North shore they would have ridden.

I hope no one criticizing him has children...the C02 from that personal choice eclipses thousands of Heli trips.
  • 2 0
 If the CO2 output of children is added to that of the parents and kept at zero on the child's account, doesn't that even out?

Also, why do people keep comparing the heli to an SUV and not to a regular car? My car (regular Renault Clio Estate running on petrol) averages at 4.7l per 100km. Obviously more if you attach bikes to the outside (roof or towball) but then again if you'd only do that if you've got more people on board.

Similarly, the helicopter isn't going to fly for a single passenger, is it? So for the comparison, why not compare the heli consumption divided by the average number of riders to that of a car divided by the average number of passengers.

Would also be nice to compare it to the energy consumption of someone climbing to the top with the aid of pedal assist.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: 'If the CO2 output of children is added to that of the parents and kept at zero on the child's account, doesn't that even out?'

Is your child not planning on eating? or wearing clothes? or ever taking transport? There isn't a single person on the planet that doesn't add C02 to the planet, what are you talking about?

'Similarly, the helicopter isn't going to fly for a single passenger, is it? So for the comparison, why not compare the heli consumption divided by the average number of riders to that of a car divided by the average number of passengers.'

Sure - the heli is 4 people....most cars would have less than that, so it's even worse.
  • 1 1
 @skiandmtbdirtbag: what about flying the heli from its hanger to the staging zone, the landing/unloading etc?
Is it moving between whistler heli port as well as the Pemberton heli port? Do rainbow and tenquille/barbour still get chartered?
I've only skid rack dropped once and can't remember if its an engine shutdown for unloading at landing or not. I've sling hot dropped many times so at least Blackcomb helis efforts towards getting the skid racks approved reduces heli run time significantly.
When rainbow got popular, it lost its charm. The selling point was a once in a lifetime experience "away from the bike park crowds" so when the heli is lining up drop after drop and you've multiple groups up top, its no longer that experience anymore - at least for me it wasn't anyway.
commercializing it normalizes it, and unless the trail is impeccably maintained or the network grown (at great expense) it may loose its appeal
  • 1 1
 @skiandmtbdirtbag: Perhaps the only people who are allowed to criticize heli-biking as a pastime without being hypocrits are those who committed suicide before they reproduced. I try to reduce my ecological footprint in order to allow m children and their children to enjoy nature and snowy mountains too. Not having children would achieve CO2 reduction more efficiently but it would defeat the point for me.
More on topic, I think you're right that many commenters are overestimating the CO2 cost of a heli ride compared to a car ride towards a biking destination. That can be a reason to be less critical of heli-biking or a reason to be more critical of car travel, depending on your viewpoint.
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 @skiandmtbdirtbag: Even though you were off a bit, thanks for addressing my question along with @ak-77...as I said, I'm no pilot and the l/hr and l/100km and converting is all Greek and/or French to me.

As I mentioned, everyone seems to have their take on the environment but there's way too much going on for any one factor to be the lynch pin in the whole mess. Piles of cars, regulated and unregulated pollution by nations who care/don't care, people who don't compost, people who ride 30-year old rigid steel mtbs as commuters vs the heathens who ride last months carbon tree-killer, Exxon this, BP rig that...

It's a mess and who knows how bad it's going to shake out in another 10-20 years. Heli bike/ski or not. Long weekend from Van to Whistler or not. If you think it's bad, don't get on the choppah. If you think life is short (which it is), get back to the choppah.
  • 1 0
 @ak-77: Dude spare the melodrama. It all comes down to if you want effective change, or if you just want to point your holier than thou finger at someone. The ones shaming Remy here are doing the latter. Having kids, having a dog, eating meat, buying a new car, holidaying overseas, these are all choices we make that have various effects of CO2 levels. But no one shaming remy criticizes someone with a trail dog, or the IFHT crew going on an RV trip, or a riding NZ report, all of which ECLIPSE Remy's choice to Helibike.
  • 4 0
 "the planet is fine,the people are f*cked"
  • 1 1
 Sorry Remi, these people have no business nit picking your choices. For all the haters out there, just by virtue of the fact you live in a first world country, paid someone to manufacture and ship your mountain bike, use a car to get to the trailhead, and even charge your mobile device so you can bitch about someone else riding in a heli, your carbon footprint is GIGANTIC compared to the rest of the world. Get your attention deficit in check. Haranguing a pro rider about their choices is not going to solve the climate crisis.
  • 4 1
 while everyone is moaning about the climate crap...I'm like "who wants to watch a 30 min edit?"
  • 1 1
 I think we can universally agree continued burning of fossil fuels is not best thing for Mother Earth, but how many of you can stomach to see what it takes to mine the minerals required to make batteries that power electrical vehicles? Both the environmental and human cost? Battery companies, including Tesla, do a fantastic job of suppressing this. Seeing a child worker humping a bag full of rocks out a mine probably would not sit will with many....or would you even care?
  • 3 0
 That's really just not true. First off, Tesla is super specific about where the materials are sourced and totally transparent. CATL, Panasonic too Second, EV batteries are gold. See Redwood Materials. Not only are they not going to be tossed in the land fill, but they will first likely see another 10 years of duty in stationary storage (like Power Walls) since the requirements are different from cars. And since virtually all of the materials will be cycled right back into new batteries at the end, that one time mining cost gets amortized over many decades and re-incarnations. Is it perfect? Nope, what is? Is it many orders of magnitude better than the fossil fuel paradigm? Heck yea! So let's not let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good.
  • 4 1
 Dentisy MTBer's....form an orderly queue
  • 1 2
 Dentist
  • 3 1
 Anyone know how much this costs? I'm guessing a few thousand for the helicopter trip?
  • 2 5
 1.7K$ per day per person. (This is ski, MTB likely to the same)
  • 2 0
 Something around 550 CAD/person
  • 1 0
 @losidan: you tend to get more uplifts on snowsports though?
  • 3 0
 It’s $259 US per person if you do the group self guided option. This is more of a one long run and you’re done thing, compared to heli skiing where they do multiple laps on shorter runs.
  • 4 2
 @slumgullion: I read 359$ minimum per person.

The price alone is proof of how this can't be "low impact" on the environment... To make enough money to be able to pay that for a day of fun, can only go hand in hand with high standard of living. That's high wages, high consumption, and high pollution... The correlation is hardly evitable.

Anybody who has a minimalistic life style cannot afford this, and is the biker profile that rather keeps their 10yo bike running and pedal from home to the trailhead.
  • 2 0
 @Uuno: Ironically, many of the alternatives that are better for the environment, even if they took less resources to produce, are still more expensive. It's a supply and demand thing.
Also, you can make a lot of money and not spend it. Someone I know well is like this: partner at one of the country's most prestigious law firms, doesn't own a car. Or for that matter, a dishwasher to clean their second-hand tableware. It's all about the choices we make from the alternatives that we have at hand.
  • 1 0
 Public Group Guided: $495 CAD for individual on 9km advanced run. $545 CAD for individual on 13km expert run.

Private Group: $1795 CAD self-guided ($1995 CAD guided) on 9km advanced run. $1975 CAD self-guided ($2195 guided) 13km expert run.
  • 1 0
 @ak-77: this is another debate, but an interesting one.
Yes you can earn a lot and not spend it all, but those are exceptions, and for those who act like this : what do they do with the extra money? I doubt that it will stand idle... forever. And using it right now or later can arguably be better or worse, but how can we tell?
About "more expensive, but less ressource-costly to produce", if we manage to take the whole life cycles into account, only in exceptional cases this can be true. What I mean is that only lowtech stuff can actually have a good negative impact/positive outcome ratio. Example with energy : solar panels are not "green" and nuclears power plants are good about CO2 during operation, but what about construction and getting the 1000's of people to work to get the plants built and maintained? They dont ride bikes to go on the construction site.
The only thing which for SURE has less impact, is living in a smaller space, with less stuff, less volume to heat, less rent/mortgage to pay and thus doesn't force us to work 50h/week.
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 Life is short. Jump on a damn heli if you can and slay some pow or single track. Ride illegal trails… build where you can… eat some tacos and pick up some trash along the way
  • 6 6
 So e-bikes are bad and helicopters are good? With the helicopter drop you only get 4400ft of downhill. Ive been getting 5000-6500ft of downhill with my ebike and all of it I pedaled up.
  • 2 4
 Both are bad
  • 9 8
 All the Vegetable eaters in here are the same people who buy iPhone 22 and Go Pro Silver 540 Insta Edition and Ebikes and Tesla, But its ok because...
  • 7 8
 Apparently Pinkbike is filled with mentally ill hypocrites. Or maybe its jealousy and the Earth bullshit is a free pass to warrant being an a*shole to a cool guy ?

Dont worry tho, sooner than not the powers that be will make sure its illegal to have fun and the Earth will be saved
  • 3 1
 Wow, heli-biking is being compared to having children. Best example of false equivalence ever.
  • 2 0
 Stuff like this gives me a very hard time with mountainbiking in the last couple of years...
  • 4 1
 How dentist shuttle .
  • 6 3
 Lmao I love the comments
  • 4 2
 So much butthurt in here.
  • 2 1
 Isn't this what eBikes were supposed to replace, or can't riders even be troubled to pretend to pedal to the top anymore?
  • 4 2
 Yeah MTB is bad for the environment but this is a step too far IMO
  • 2 0
 @cop27
  • 10 9
 So much virtue signaling on PB haha. Libtards...
  • 1 1
 If people want to spend their money on it, let them. I'm totally ok with this. Oh no, the sky is falling.
  • 5 4
 Once upon a time we had covidiots, now we have co2idiots
  • 2 4
 I see a huge hole in the ozone after all the hot air in these comments. I hope all you princesses go out and clean some trash, plant some trees and hug your moms when they pack your green lunch and tuck you in at night
  • 1 0
 Désolé Rémi mais l'hélico j'adhère vraiment pas !!
  • 1 0
 Spool it up. I’d get in too for that ride. Just like most others.
  • 1 0
 踩E-BIKE都唔環保
  • 2 2
 Remy is getting shit on because Remy shits on trails.
  • 1 0
 Go ride yer bike
  • 1 0
 Heliyeah!
  • 2 3
 Aviation still use led in their gasoline ?
  • 7 0
 Helos are almost all turbine powered these days, meaning that they run on a kerosene based fuel, rather than gasoline. 100 ocatane leaded is still used for gas powered piston engine aircraft, though im hearing theyre starting to move away from it
  • 2 4
 Guys we need to transition to e-mtbs as soon as possible to fuel the transition to sustainable energy
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