Renthal Announces Zero Rise Handlebar

 Marketing - *slaps forehead*

 A flat bar with a picture of a riser bar on it. Smart.

 @Thustlewhumber:
At least they didn't call them Akbars.

 Time for them to introduce crossbar for mtb handlebar.

 @Dangerous-Dan: That's a trap!

 @Dangerous-Dan: I get no rise out of that.

 What about monkey bars?

 @abzillah: LP carbon Kevlar

 @stinkbikelies: apehangers

 well...if you install is incorrectly you can get plenty of rise :-)

 @abzillah: that's racist brah :p

 Can't understand, but the fit is for me spot on. Looks can be better, that's true!

 Because they ride better than any other bar I have ever tried. The sweep and rise just hit a sweet spot for me and I will never ride anything else.

 The color matches the stanchions on my 10 year old fork

 The black ones are aiiiight.

 Have ridden motor for 25+ years and run them on all my dirt bikes, tried a few other MTB bars and ended up back with Renthals. Quality and bends are perfect for me so as stated above I’d never run anything else.

 It because they want to look moto. They're good bars, but there are plenty of good bars. They're also oogly because they don't match a goddamn thing in the MTB world.

 Because they brake easily and that gives people a little extra-kick

 I, and many other, like the way they look. Either way, they are one of the best bars made, alloy or carbon. The alloys can even come on all black now if you don't like the signature gold.

 The look is fantastic, you can spot the renthal bar out of the wistler opening day line. It's a brand image, and if you have never tried one you should. Arguably the most comfortable and durable bar on the market.

 @Rigidjunkie:
I didn't mean that they are bad. Just ugly.
Except the rise they feel just like any other alu handle bar.
I have a cheap chinese 10$ aluminium handle bar on one of my bikes with similar rise that feels just the same.
But it's heavier. It's really durable however.

 @OneTrustMan:

"I have a cheap chinese $10 bar"

"it's really durable"

Does not compute.

 How to overcomplicate piece of pipe you just hold while riding

 Same here. Thing is spacers under the stem shortens the reach.... I would rather have a 60mm riser with no spacers than a 40mm with 20mm of spacers...

 @Richt2000: technically, a higher rise bar would also shorten the reach (or the effective reach at your hands anyway), as the bars are usually rolled back a bit. But less than spacers under the stem yea (especially if you have a slack/DH head angle)

I don't mind the spacers, considering how long the bikes are nowadays.

 @Richt2000:
This isn't right. It doesn't matter what the shape of the stem and handlebars is, all that matters is the position of the grips relative to the steerer tube. Use a longer stem, or bars with less sweep, or whatever.

 @SJP: The previous posters are correct. The frame reach is shortened, compared to a bike with that same bar to saddle distance at a higher stack, because spacers raise the bar not vertically, but on the slope of the head tube.

When comparing two bikes with the same frame reach, the one with greater stack is the longer bike (all else equal).

 @R-M-R: SJP is correct. The previous posts are about high rise bar vs. spacers & low rise bar. If you have your high rise bar rolled forward, than you can achieve exactly the same position by spacers plus a longer stem (fashion police might object though) with a low rise.

 @R-M-R: True, but the point is that with higher rise you can roll the bars to get some fore/aft adjustment of the grips relative to the bottom bracket. Yes this is moving the grips off of the steering axis so it's more like changing stem length than reclaiming reach that's lost as a result of the stack height change, but it's a fit adjustment nonetheless that isn't an option when using stem spacers alone.

 Rolling riser bars forward (which is how I prefer them btw) is NOT the same thing as using a longer stem and rolling the bars back, even if it puts your hands in close to the same position -they don't put your hands at the same backssweep and upsweep angles. The longer stem also means the bars "swing" a wider arc around the steerer tube. It's this reason I believe why modern bikes with long reaches and short stems handle so much better than a bike with a shorter reach and longer stem (which may put your hands in the about the same place but does NOT feel anything close to the same.)

 @gtill9000: so I have 3, 10mm spacers and 35mm Raceface riser bars with a 40mm stem. I have the rolled to the position I like but the spacers have eaten up roughly 10mm of reach iirc. Assuming I keep the same bars, can I just get a 50mm stem (10mm long) and have the handling be the same as if I slammed the stem and had 60mm riser bars? I'm 6-4 and would like to the extra reach.

 @gtill9000:
"The longer stem also means the bars "swing" a wider arc around the steerer tube."

This is not true. The arc around the steerer tube that the grips make is defined only by the position of the grips relative to the steerer tube.

Beyond that, we are in agreement. In your first sentences you assume the same handlebar is used with the two different stems. It is usually impossible to get exactly the same position, upsweep, and backsweep with a given handlebar and two different length stems. But, if handlebar/stem/spacers setup A results in the same grip position as handlebar/stem/spacers setup B, they will be identical in handling.

 @Richt2000:
The reach measurement is from the center of the top headset cap horizontally over the bottom bracket. It affects weight distribution even without hands on bar. You are describing something more like cockpit space

 @R-M-R:

Reach it’s from bottom bracket center two steer tube center at top of head tube (I think it would make more sense if we measured to center of bottom of head tube.

Raising the stem on steer DOES NOT change reach, which is important to note because it does not change feets weight on front tire which is determined by chain Stay length+ Front center= weight on feet. reach+ head angle +fork offset= front center.

More weight on the feet is better For everything. feet are for standing and pedaling on. Hands are for steering and controls. Hands arms are not good for Applying downforce and absorbing impacts.

By saying that reason stem changers reach you are all wrong. Racing stem changes, let’s say Horizontal cockpit space and/or stem lenth

 @getsomesy: This is sort of true but also not. When looking at bike geo reach, yes "Reach" is a frame number independent of spacers. However "Reach+" is a term some manf use to determine, lets call it "actual" reach which is more akin to include the "cockpit space" you talked about when out of the saddle. NOW, spacers definitely have an impact of this regardless of the language. It a factor of the HTA, how many spacers etc. I'm sure you know this but that is what these guys and myself are talking about. Its something dynamic that can definitely have an effect. I'm tall so I want longer reach but also higher stack. Those two things don't go together as gain "reach" or cockpit space often comes at the expense of a spacer reduction. I'd like a way to do both, tho I'm already on 35mm riser bars. Any ideas? I'm guessing its just extra stem length to compensate for the spacers?

 @Svinyard: This guy put it into words better than I could have.
As for your question, I've ran a 60mm DM stem on my previous DH bikes for a while, without any issue. Doesn't feel as weird as people imagine it is, but the choice in stems is VERY limited (old Burgtec stems, old Truvativ stems, maybe ENVE is still making theirs in 60mm but that's outrageously expensive). Consider wider bars if you're not too wide already, it helps moving the body forward. Minnaar used to run like 50mm of spacers bellow a 60mm DM stem for example

 @Svinyard: Enve M9 50mm riser

 @Richt2000: what head angel you running? lirl

 @Svinyard to answer the question you posed to me, I've done the exact same thing except going the other direction and frankly didn't really notice a difference going from 50 down to 40 mm stem. I can feel the difference going from 60 down to 50. But if you can find a higher rise bar, I'd probably go that route. If you have a big enough head tube, perhaps an angleset can get you a couple more mm's?
@SJP you're right in criticizing my poor description of what I think happens when you use a longer stem even when you can get your hands in virtually the same position. I agree that your hands would follow the same arc in turns. I do still feel like a longer stem would have an adverse affect on handling but honestly I don't know why. If you imagine a huge stem (like 300mm) and some weirdly shaped bars that came back and put your hands where they belong, I still feel like that would handle funny - perhaps because of weight/leverage somehow? Perhaps it would handle the same? If only there was a way to ride blindfolded . . .

 I have absolutely not idea where this is but decisions to show unsanctioned/illegal riding in marketing materials is now going to heavily influence my relationship with these brands and ultimately how I vote with my wallet. Frustratingly short sighted.

 Hes going the wrong way though, its OK.

 Get yer access laws sorted out mate

 Some of the best trails I ride are unsanctioned and illegal. Real trails not machine made boredom. I spent 12 years staying off them.... now I enjoy them.

 As lord of the 'mons' of Shropshire laws do not apply to Sandy.

 photos on illegal trail...we dont live there, we arent gonna poach. relax y'all

 @PaulieAU: The first rule of riding illegal trails is that you don't talk about riding illegal trails.

 Don't be a local and point out when a photo is of an illegal trail maybe? Ima find this trail now. Thank you.

 @justanotherusername: Who dis? you've made me smile.

 @patrickbatemanworldtour89: best comment on the internet today

 FatBar FlatBar Dropbar

 @kazwei: evolution or devolution?

 Niner RDO carb, Thomson XC carb, Syntace Vector Low 10; none especially relevant to the DH reader. With increased stack and reach on late model 29ers, it makes sense to offer a no-rise bar with additional backsweep.

 F. My logos didn't make it past their first weekend with plastic plates lol rip

 When did they become cool ?

 'Modern' frame geo is likely to require reach reduction

 Take that 9º backsweep and rotate it forward in the stem, there you go, 7º backsweep and 5º upsweep!

 Makes sense for people with a 29er with a 160mm fork on the front to try and get the front end down a bit

 @onemind123: Not sure why you got downvoted, as if this isn't a thing. The ShortPeopleMafia complain that 29ers are too tall so we get shorter head tubes but then this logic gets carried across the line and you end up with XLs with 100mm head tubes and people running 4cm of spacers. Maybe the smaller sizes should just come with lower rise bars and slammed stems.

 It's a fairly competitive weight for a 780mm aluminum alloy bar.

 For aluminum, sure. Better question: Since when is a 7 series aluminum exclusive?

 Oval chain rings are 100% legitimate, everyone always laughs at them. What's so funny? You're willing to spend double the money to make your bike 5 pounds lighter. I literally can't even handle people.

 @Kramz:
You are not old enough to remember Biopace, so you can't see what is funny.

 @SJP: bingo

 This should have been a reply to @captballjack.

 I'll take the k-way. as long as it's bright and a large

 Ahhh the good old days of 830 flat bars on DH bikes...

 You take a riser bar and flip it around.

 people who are short and/or have long ape arms, on big travel big wheeled bikes

 @AyJayDoubleyou: meh they normally compensate for that with short headtubes. Flat bars didn’t work then I can’t see them working now if anything bars are getting higher with 40mm rises starting to come out.