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 I think you may be referring to me

 @pigman65: yep!

 I love stopping to help other riders on the trail. It's part of what makes our community so good.

 I agree with this. There have been a handful of times that I have had to give someone a tube or use my pump or CO2 to get them up and running again. It's almost always someone with a very high end bike with just a water bottle attached and no tools or pack of their own. If you can afford the Yeti, you should learn how to use a few tools and what to carry.

 @Keepiru

I run packless and have never used my frame-mounted tube for myself. On the other hand, I've helped a bunch of people with flats, broken chains, and other tool-requiring repairs. Some of them even had packs.

Get off your incredibly lame high-horse and help people with their damn flats. If you don't want to help other riders become a roadie or something.

 Its mostly negligent friends that consistently ride with nothing that bothers me!

 I've had to walk out of the deep woods a couple times already and don't plan on ever doing it again for lack of something pathetic stupid like a tool, patch, tube, pump, or spare masterlink. And if it's above 80 and/or humid, I'm drinking a liter of water for every hour I'm out. EVOC Enduro Blackline, never looking back and not bothering with a second $100+ one for short rides - too much pain swapping tools, etc. when all I want is a quick blast.

@mangochaos: A bit off topic, but same about negligent friends for photos and videos. Zero reciprocity means buddy old pal is never going to get anything but a selfie for their Facebook feed.

 @JWadd: Interesting as I carry every item you mentioned on my bike. EDC in headtube modified with a dynaplug kit, a Oneup pump with air canister stored inside as well as asprin and bandaid. Tube straped to frame and a bicycle with a water bottle cage mount allowing 20oz. Cant forget any of it becuase it is on bike. It doesn't move around, get lost in bag, nor does it not end up on ride because I forgot to put it all back into a backpack.

 @H3RESQ: your not going to patch much up with a band aid and an asprin.

 @mangochaos: or better yet that friend who brings his water bottle, phone, keys and snacks but expects you to carry them all in your backpack.

 I hear you, a pack is hot and heavier, but for me 20oz means no summer rides longer than an hour. I'll sweat off 5 lbs even after drinking 2 liters on a good summer ride.

 I gave an injured dude a beer the other day. How ya gonna do that - possibly the noblest act a fellow MTBer can perform - without a pack? I like to drink hella water as well - I can drink 3L on a 3 hour ride easily. Then I blow up the empty bladder for a spine pillow.

 @endlessblockades: Beer in the bottle cage, ya Joey.

The water thing would be a concern of mine, but I'm lucky enough to have a few water fountains spread out on my local trails. 750ml bottle in the cage, angle towards a fountain once I'm out. Toronto also has a large grocery store that sells booze (not normal for Ontario) at the trailhead :>.

 Ever told someone you don't have a tube when you're about to go down a gnarly descent you love to rip and tend to get lots of flats on?

Asking for a friend.

 @rezrov: Water fountains on your trails? Sounds pretty core: signed, Joey.

 @matttauszik: my every day trails have 4 water fountains available over a 25 mile loop. Plus, 3 breweries.... no need for a pack, EDC with plenty of cash for the fresh IPA’s

 @Foolcyclist: Funny. Last time I pulled over on my Evil to help someone they were riding a cheap bike. It's like the price of the bike has nothing to do with it or something.

 You don’t need a pack to be prepared. Between my small frame bag and fork tube stash I’m more prepared than most: every tool, valve cores, zip ties, helmet, gauze, wrap, bandages, headlamp, phone, water treatment, TP, etc. I like going 1:1 when pack carriers talk shit and always come up with more

 ^ don’t know why I said helmet. It’s late.

 Same here. I get ridiculed for carrying a pack that probably weighs close to 20 lbs with 3L of water fully loaded. Yeah, it slows me down on the climbs, I don't care. I'm 6' tall, 210 lbs butt naked, and I'm riding a Nomad with 170mm fork and a coil shock. Not gonna be the fastest guy to the top in any event, but I will have tools (when) something breaks at the worst possible time.

 @Stinky-Dee: That's cool. My everyday trails have pretty steep climbs, cool features, rocks, roots, trees, and jumps. But no water fountains or breweries. We call that town.

 You probably just don't ride fast, and that's ok. For myself I never use a pack. Just a bottle on the frame, bottle in shirt pocket, and a few tools. Ill walk out if needed. If I can't shred because of a giant turtle on my back then there's no point in riding.

 @Foolcyclist: you cant just enjoy helping? Why base it on the demographic of the other person? Either you like helping others or you don't.

 @matttauszik: my every day ride has real mountain bike trails - rocks, roots steep up & down jumps & drop. Plus homeless camps, but no needles...

 This. I happily listen to friends talking about how great they are riding without a backpack, knowing full well that most of them have, on more than one occasion, had to beg me for something they haven't got.

 @chrismac70: Beside you missing the point, a band aid and asprin is still more than 99% carry, but you are right. I have only once ever seen a rider with a actual first aid kit with him. It was just last month at Tiger mt. He pulled out to help a trail runner that fell on the climbing trail. Kudo to him for lugging it around in his hip pack.

 @mangochaos: I've found over the years there has become a certain air of "he's always got everything, so I don't need anything" from some people I ride with & that's just annoying. So bad that on one occasion I was asked if I had a spare tube to which I had to answer, "no, you've already had it".

 @rrolly: Yes. 100% Aggree on that. But there is a difference in "helping" und "supporting lazyness".
I like to help And sometimes it helps when people have to walk home 10 miles to learn something.
There is a difference between a flat tire, and something like a tacoed wheel. Both can be "fixed" in the woods. the flat tire with simple tube and pump, the wheel-taco if you know how. I just expect from any rider (not absolute rookies, of curse!) to be able to help him/herself in the 1st case, in the 2nd case or similar i'm more than willing to help.

 @Keepiru: Ya, I'm not making that judgement on the spot with a stranger. I'd rather just help. With my riding buddies, if it was a repeated thing, that would be a little different. But I ride with good people.

 @H3RESQ: I allways have a complete kit with me: Band-Aid, Tape, Tension-Strips for cuts, a rescue-blanket, desinfection and some medics. Together with the other stuff in my backpack its a good kit to handle the most stuff what happens, and allmost anything that happens day in day out .... out there. It is stored in a small pack, its only a few grams and saved our day more than once. It really sucks if you have to head to a hospital because someone has cut his arm a little.
I can only encurage anyone who does more than the occasional backyard-lap to be prepared. Stuff happens, and it happens to all of us. Be it a bail, a technical issue, or both.

 Whoa there careful with the gender there.
Don't forget the she's; he/shes; she/hes; its; others; dentists and the unchosen

 @timbud: in Polish, the noun "someone" is masculine, hence the "he" pronoun. Obviously Endurorider should've used "they" in this context

 @nhp890: sorry about that

 @timbud: I am a dentist. Thank you for mentioning me.

 @nhp890: sorry yes you're right. I forgot to add the gender that is blind to sarcasm

 Will do Mr Osprey????

 Damn incorrect emoji

 @timbud: I was fully aware of your sarcasm, but I explained the origin of this particular error. The more you know

 @timbud: or maybe it just wasn't your best attempt at sarcasm

 @bananowy: eh it was alright

 @timbud: lol you'll probably find this amusing:

youtu.be/WtftZPL-k7Y

 @nhp890: In English, "he" is the gender-neutral pronoun. Obviously Endurorider got it right the first time.

 @PJD1: thanks man. Thats a good watch

 @castlemtn: was that supposed to be funny?

 @timbud: its going to take some thumbs down, but I'll live. Really controversal topic thease days!

 @LaXcarp: really eh, I could have a list pit together in under 5 minutes of nothing but girls that can send harder and faster then I can dream of! And another list within 6 months thats similar stacked with all uknown weekend warriors that can do the same!

 @PJD1: I took more downers just for thanking you for the link
Think we'll both live though

 @smithcreek yes but if noone buys them at full price , they cease to exist.

 I don't know why the industry insists on trying to make mountain biking only for rich people. It wasn't this way 10 years ago, was it?

 Yup black FR Lite for me too. Das German design ist gut!

 oh, is that the point they were making? That part of the sentence made no sense to me at all.

 Jesus, is that really what she's saying?

 i think so, its what i got from it. basically, the dehydration bit is true, if it doesnt melt quick enough you can be left sucking on nothing, but as for the weight...

 She's saying she'd rather carry around the water than drink it, because of the taste. The ice part was to keep the water colder because there was no insulation.

 @DPfilms: oh, that makes a lot more sense, but at the same time it isnt worded very well, its in the middle of a sentence talking about freezing bladders being a good idea.

 She probably meant she rather choose dehydration and the extra weight *from the insulated reservoir* rather than get plastic-ky taste on hot days. But yes, the sentence is poorly written.

 ... I've definitely had days when either (a) dehydration [from avoiding plasticky warm water]; or (b) carrying the extra weight [of an insulated reservoir] around seemed preferable to drinking the unpleasantly warm and plasticky tasting water in my reservoir...

 A dessert in the UK ?

 @nick1957: milton keynes

 @nick1957: There are loads. Personally I like Sticky Toffee Pudding, or apple pie and custard. Sometimes just go for Ice creme though.

 @bigtim: you love Spotted Dick ?

 I think the "extra weight" part comes from the portion of the ice that never melts and so never becomes available to drink.

 @pigman65: Only if it's a proper big portion.

 @inked-up-metalhead: freezing bladders? Sounds like a bad winter ride. . . or an 80's punk band.

 @bigtim: username checks out

 I've edited for clarity (I hope!) Basically I meant that the insulated bag seems like a good idea since I don't drink the hot water in my backpack anyways so it's probably not worth carrying around. And my friends already have a hot-weather reservoir hack, freezing the reservoir the day before. Which always melts if you ride in the desert long enough to deserve my favorite, dessert!

 @sarahmoore: yeah, much clearer now, it really did seem you were implying the frozen bladder idea made it heavier, but yeah, i know the feeling, and its not like we get that high temperatures in lancashire on average.

 The great Cornwall Desert

 @bigtim: with loads of custard

 +1 for USWE packs. especially when riding motos, as it just feels like part of the roost guard. Osprey is a close second. Their warranty is awesome. Wreck one in a crash, and they will fix it.

 I love my Camelbak Skyline. On the climbs I unclip the chest strap and the pack sits nice and low and a little off my back. Then when it's time to descend I clip it and it's good to go. There is a little movement, but if you set the pack up properly it is very little.

 Oh aye, the USWE Airborne 15 is amazing! Handles everything for a full day's ride and doesn't move all over the place. Boob-friendly as well [so I'm told].

 @rrolly: the skyline is great. Anyone 6' or taller would benefit from a low positioned pack. All these options above would basically be strapped around the top of my spine.

 I love my USWE pack as well, I hate waist straps and bouncing bags this solved both those issues!

 Best packs going. Love mine.

 Escapist 32l is incredibly spacious inside so you have to think do you really need that much space inside. The pack itself is really great

endurorider.pl/osprey-escapist

 @EnduroriderPL: ooooo Dzieki czytałem Twoje art a tego nie widzialem

 @Zeeober: proszsz Rzuć okiem na zdjęcia: tam wchodzi 5l bańka po wodzie

 @EnduroriderPL: Potrzebuje coś na namiot/śpiwór/materac + żarcie,narzedzia,ubrana, bo torby bikepackingowe nawet te dobre (apidura,topeak,triglav,seatosummit) mimo ze genialne to w górach mi osobiście nie podpasowały. Oglądałem ostatnio tego Deutera na 2019 i na żywo zrobił na mnie wrażenie. Ale Osprey jest tańszy.

 @Zeeober: z Escapistem 32l musisz uważać bo można do niego napchać nieprawdopodobnie dużo rzeczy i przeładujesz ten plecak. Poza tym jest naprawdę fajny i jeżeli szukasz czegoś takiego to zdecydowanie powinieneś go dokładnie obejrzeć

 @EnduroriderPL: no wiem ze 6-7kg to super powyżej może być ale tak do 10kg :p dzięki ślicznie! Bo w dzisiejszych czasach szczera opinia to skarb

 @Zeeober: mam cały czas ten plecak więc jak Ci będzie potrzeba to daj znać

 I had the Deuter Trans Alpine Pro 28l backpack before, but within the warranty period the harness started to come loose. That took 3.5 months to repair. To bridge the repair period, I bought the Evoc Explorer Pro 30l, which is better by classes (it sits really well on the back), and I also had problems with the Deuter backpacks rubbing on back of iliac crest(hope thats the right word). Evoc also has a bit more volume, which really helps with overnighters or camera equipment. But I have a used Deuter to sell ;-)

 @mensch-mueller: thank you Man!

 Which Camelbak did you use, and what do you prefer about the Ergon?

 @rrolly: I used the Skyline and Kudu, both great packs but the Ergon is just far more comfortable.
The reservoir sits low in the pack, gives the feel of a lumbar / fanny pack so the weight is more centralised, if you have a look at it then you will see that it's hinged so as the lower sits away from the rest of the pack giving more freedom of movement, the reservoir also has an extra long hose but with enough clip adjustment so as it doesn't get in the way, the hose also detaches separately from the reservoir making maintenance very easy and inserting a full reservoir effortless.
Every strap is numbered so when attaching a full face helmet for sketchier trails you do so in the correct way, you balance the pack correctly, it has enough space in the 3 inner compartments for tools, extra clothing, secure and padded compartment for your valuables and it also comes with a rain cover for added protection and visibility when heading home after a long day.
If you buy one then make sure you also buy the back protector to go with it, it moulds to the shape of your back and is exceptionally comfortable.

 This seems to work better with some valves than others. Plus isn't that kind of like backwash anyways?

 @sarahmoore: I have a €5,- hydration bag from dealxtreme and thuis works perfect.
What do you Jean with backwash?
Je blow back whatever is in the tube?

 @sarahmoore: You drink your own spit all day whether you notice or not

 @sarahmoore: I think backwash is a North American term!! Hahaha. Our overseas potnas prob don't know the term Waterfall(-ing a sip off someones drank w/o touching) either.

 Those are for overnight trips incl. camping in less than hot climates (food, tent, sleeping bag). I've done 3-8 day rides with a 30l pack and it was the perfect size (i.e. I was able to squeeze the essentials and forced to leave out any excess weight).

 Did you use framebags too for that many days out?

 When you fit everything for an overnighter(sleeping bag, cooker, small air mattress and perhaps a camera and something to eat), the bag is pretty full.

 @lognar: No, just the backpack. There were two of us though which made it easier (one tent, one cooker etc.). And to be fair, with all that stuff the backpacks were as heavy as I'm willing to wear on the bike. Frame bags are probably a good idea.

 It's the Bell Sixer.

 Bell sixer

 I'm very happy for my $50 trail backpack.
It's ridiculous $115 for such a mini thing.