Rose Bikes Cancels All UK Orders, Citing Brexit

Dec 21, 2020 at 13:13
by Sarah Moore  

BikeRadar reported today that Rose Bikes will be cancelling all UK orders, citing Brexit, and will no longer ship any orders to the UK, including those for parts and accessories.

In September, Germany’s Rose Bikes announced it will stop selling bikes in the UK market due to laws dictating which side brake levers must be fitted on complete bikes, but now if you visit the UK Rose Bikes website from the UK, the below pop-up appears explaining that no orders will be fulfilled for parts and accessories either.

bigquotesDear Customer,

Due to the Brexit and the withdrawal from the EU domestic market without an Free Trade Agreement from then 01.01.2021, we can no longer fulfill any orders from the UK. Already ordered goods, that can be shipped until 20.12.2020 will be send out. Orders that can not be shipped until this date will be cancelled.

If your goods cannot be shipped, our customer support will contact you via E-Mail. Unfortunately we feel compelled to not fulfill UK orders currently, we hope to be able to ship to our UK customers soon again. Thank you very much fr understanding and for your loyalty and support.
Rose Bikes

This means that current owners of Rose bikes in the UK are not currently able to purchase spare parts for their bikes, such as derailleur hangers.

We've reached out to Rose Bikes for further comment.

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 UK and US taking turns kicking to see who can kick themselves in the ball hardest. UK in the lead it seems!!
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 I don't get it. There must be more to it. I mean, Rose Bikes don't deliver the goods. They use a third party, that will no doubt still collect in Germany and ship to any country Rose Bikes chooses. Surely it would be propitious to simply adjust the prices?
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 @jaame: You would think.... worst case scenario they would charge import duties. Only D2C brand that has pulled out of UK thus far. Something else at play.
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flag heavyp (Dec 21, 2020 at 14:12) (Below Threshold)
 @jaame: there is WWII they just can’t let it go it seems haha
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 @anthonysjb: problem is until they find out if and what to do /charge they cant take orders, this will be for everything ordered from EU for next few weeks..
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 @jaame: I think without a trade agreement there are too many unknowns. They probably can't eat the difference with a large loss if say the import/export structure is too expensive. It uses to be just the tax difference and a duty fee? Now who knows, it may vary by hundreds of dollars.
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 @jaame: another (non bike) shop I use emailed all customers the other day saying they're suspending exporting from UK to mainland EU because their delivery partner (DHL) can't guarantee shipping costs / times for the foreseeable, and they'd rather not disappoint customers with variable shipping quality so for now they're pausing all EU sales. May be something similar going on here.
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I guess they are still responsible for the entire process to get the package in your mailbox. I also guess that because of the current situation it’s not worth the risk for them.
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 @jaame: Think about any business you know of or have run, think about how well it would survive an instant 20% price raise. I don't think Rose can be bothered with the UK when it's a small percentage of their overall sales. Paying someone to sit and sort out all the paperwork, then someone else to deal with all the slow delivery complaints, or just bug out of that part of the market.
Give it six months (or longer) for whatever our border rules are going to be and they might come back, or they might be first out the door and we end up like the US with several of the Euro direct brands not available.
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 @jaame: I suspect it’s down to practical issues: (1) no one knows what duties will apply from 1 Jan, (2) customs forms are a pain, (3) expected hold ups at the border will mean dhl may be charging more, (4) unclear returns process and handling

Like @bat-fastard said it will be like this for weeks or months now.
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 it's not just about a price increase.... and a third party doesn't solve any of the future problems. Nobody knows how things will evolve Jan 1 - there's no agreement. Moving product from a to be can be a complex process, especially if you operate in kind of a legal vacuum. Smart move - don't expose your business to unpredicable risk and trouble.
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 @Altron5000: (1) If there is no trade agreement duty is known for cycles and parts - its widely available by searching the correct commodity code.

(2) Customs ‘forms’ are not much of a pain and are not hand written anymore, using the right service (even Royal Mail do this) it is almost completely automated so long as you set things up correctly - it’s already done to the USA, Canada, Aus etc when sending from the UK.

(3) Cant argue with that, though will be short lived pain as most items are air-freight and delays won’t last beyond a month or so being realistic (road freight who knows though)

(4) That’s up to the customer to organise the return, but again it will only be more difficult, not impossible and no extra work for the seller being realistic.

I am a completely staunch remainer by the way but part of a small business selling into the EU, we have no intention of throwing in the towel and will weather the initial disruption before the inevitable return to a workable, albeit comparably much worse reality.
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 YT has a banner on the front page. They are basically going to charge the same and warn customers they are going to be hit with duties.

I guess with Rose they just don't think it's worth it for the business they already have. Adding an extra 16% or whatever may just turn their 18 monthly orders into 3 which is not worth bothering with.
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 @jaame: is yt bigger than rose?
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 @jaame: Didn’t the Govt announce a 12 month tariff free period on the import of bicycles in event of no deal?
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 @jaame: Adjust the prices to what?

10 days away and nobody can tell you the tariff or requirements. Until those are known, unless you can eat the potential cost then it makes sense to pause trading.

@justanotherusername: regards customs forms, remember this has been the case between US/CAN/UK for years but is brand new between EU/UK, so on top of the hassle of the forms the processes and infrastructure aren't there at the moment.
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 @GrandMasterOrge: I can't remember the details. On the YT website it says in the worst case scenario you will still pay the same price for the bike which includes German VAT - difficult to understand this one. If it's not being used there why does one have to pay VAT there?
And then there will be two charges added when it enters the UK. Customs duty and import tax maybe. I forget. Totally understandable.
I would have expected German price minus 20% and then that 20% plus duties added on when it comes in. It won't make any difference to the price, but why would VAT be paid in Germany?
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 @GrandMasterOrge: the tariff will either be as
before if we get a deal - ‘free trade’ or WTO in which case a tariff as specified and easily searched for and identified, not a mystery.

Again there are no ‘forms’ anymore, we ship to around the world, all customs raised digitally from template, it takes literally seconds, printed and applied with the address to each parcel.
Of course the infrastructure issue will be real, there will be delays etc but it will become workable if required, just like shipping to the USA now - which is a piece of piss.

I sincerely hope there is a deal though, as the delays and reduced sales due to uncertainty will be painful.
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 @justanotherusername: do you mind if I ask where you're shipping from (I'm assuming CAN)?

My understanding is the digital customs system does not have capacity for EU shipments at present, nor likely in time for Jan 1st.
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 @jaame: VAT won’t be paid in Germany as the UK will be out of the single market and VAT agreement - must be something wrong there.

Should be as you mention, we don’t charge the EU vat any longer and they don’t charge us, it’s all dealt with upon import including import duty but that may be a non issue in the event of a deal, fingers crossed.
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 @GrandMasterOrge: to be honest I'm more worried about any planes that are flying at 00:00 on the 1st of January because they are all going to fall out of the sky. And then we're all going to starve because all the food is going to disappear.
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 @justanotherusername: I hope you are right, but it does specifically state that UK customers will still have to pay German VAT.
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 @GrandMasterOrge: Shipping from UK, I’m UK based and you may well be correct about readiness by Jan.

We ship items under £100 direct to consumer, if they insist on manually checking every item and billing the customer they will effectively destroy their own services so rather counter productive - there must be a solution or both parties see screwed.
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 @jaame: This is the sort of entirely unproductive "it's all project fear" type response that has characterised brexit and made it impossible to have reasonable discussion about the clear implications for the UK.
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 @justanotherusername: fair enough, I work in chemical manufacturing and we ship to other sites and manufacturers across the EU, so potentially different to direct to consumer.
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flag jaame (Dec 21, 2020 at 15:28) (Below Threshold)
 @GrandMasterOrge: as I said up there ^ a lot of people don't care about the implications! It's done. Crying about it now isn't going to change anything. It's pissing into the wind. I'm tired of listening to all the moaning and complaining. Wouldn't it be better to just move on? Certainly better for the mental health I would have thought.
Every cloud has a silver lining. The glass is half full. At least now the cost of fish and chips has to fall right? That's a positive.
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 @jaame: not sure about that, it mentions VAT but it isn’t particular well worded or clear.

It is possible that they have some simplifying process due to their UK business, (maybe that’s why they opened the uk shop)
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 @justanotherusername: a few years back when internet shopping took off Australia had a policy of just not taxing anything valued at under $1000 because they didn't have the resource to process all those small packets. Not sure if that's still the case. That would be something I would get behind. It's like getting an automatic discount on everything you order, same when living in Taiwan. One hardly ever gets stung for import duties there either and it makes internet shopping very pleasant.
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 @jaame: the silver lining is that covid is only the first of many and brexit itself is pissing in the wind of global nimbyism
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 @GrandMasterOrge: Aah I imagine your shipment value is very much higher too alongside being a product probably requiring new regulation for export - our items simply ship outside of the EU with a simplified customs form and commodity code - let’s hope it works out.

I can’t help but to retain a little bit of optimism that our government won’t just throw us under the bus entirely and nuke an already smashed economy and will come to some form of free trade deal.
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 @makripper: Can't compare both Rose ist an shop that sells all types of bikes and all the other biking related stuff
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 @jaame: it's not done, the entire future relationship is still as yet undecided, although it looks like it'll be no deal. No deal won't actually be 'done', it'll just be like hitting the snake in snakes and ladders and back to a few years ago you go to start negotiating again.

You can look forward to this dominating discussion for years to come until the relationship becomes more settled.

It's done, stop whingeing about it is somewhat dismissive of all the businesses, livelihoods and dreams which are going to be destroyed. We'll revisit this next year when unemployment has shot up if you like.

Also - about 85% of the cod we eat comes from EU waters (Iceland/Norway) and 76% of UK potatoes are imported from the EU, so you can expect the cost of fish and chips to rise.
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flag jaame (Dec 21, 2020 at 15:43) (Below Threshold)
 @GrandMasterOrge: pass the Kleenex!
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 @GrandMasterOrge: the only people who like to say it’s ‘done’ have no involvement, understanding or investment in the process or result thereof, at least their ignorance often leads them to believe so anyway....
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flag jaame (Dec 21, 2020 at 15:51) (Below Threshold)
 @justanotherusername: you're right about that one. I don't know much about it. I missed the whole referendum debacle. One thing I'm pretty sure about is that posting up boo-hoo negative comments of doom and gloom on Pinkbike will influence the outcome exactly 0%.
I wish all the crybabies would just get over it. It's like, half the population is in favour of it. The way they all go on with the moral superiority does my head in. It's almost like there is a belief that Brexit was unarguably the wrong move for all people and those who disagree are idiots who are too dumb to make their own mind up about anything important. Group think at its finest.

As far as it goes I'm not really bothered either way. I sell toilets, and people are still going to need toilets after Brexit. I believe my job is safe. It's nothing I can't handle. It may not be ideal for all people but we need to move on.

@all the crybabies - get over it for your own sakes!
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 @jaame: easy to say ‘get over it’ when you aren’t worried about your livelihood, isn’t it?
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 @jaame: what's the point in even making a political comment if your main point is "can everyone just shut up about this and stop caring, even if it turns out to be catastrophically the wrong decision?".

The brexiteers certainly didn't, they've been banging on about this for 40 years in order to get this result. Half the population were in favour of it 4 years ago yes, when it was sold as a dream. It's very rare in politics for a decision to be one way and irreversible though, which is partly why so many are incensed about this one. Most of the time you get the opportunity to kick them out in 5 years time, this one is for life or at least foe the foreseeable.

@jaame: do you mind if I ask what you do for work?
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 @jaame: I’m a Mountain Guide - I work in the Alps. As it stands I can’t work after 31/12. There is a difference between being a cry baby and being f...d. Thanks for your kind thoughts - a case of I’m alright Jack? Or just a Jackass?
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 @robguide: Shit sucks dude. The whole thing is so dumb and pointless.
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 @jaame: just over half of those who voted were in favour, which equates to roughly 25% of the UK population.
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 @jaame: never thought about the fish and chips thing...
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 @jaame: there’s more to the story, I’m sure. It may be that this is an easy way for them to shorten lead times for some customers due to massive shortages all throughout the supply chain. The previous brake lever argument is totally bogus. They can do what they want but at least be transparent about it. Though, I think saying “It’s Brexit’s fault” is a better, if not dishonest response compared to “this is a super easy way for us to shorten our backlog.”
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 I would say the ones kicking themselves in the Balls is Rose bikes. All this over LH or RH brake levers? Its not like they are making them, all they are doing is supplying them. And because they have to buy a reverse configuration they are going to commit Seppuku to a population of 66 million - the second largest in Western Europe. Rose Bikes - virtue signalled, reading you 5 by 5.
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 The US and UK seem to get much of the media coverage on their rise in tariffs. However, if you look a many other countries around the world, the tariffs are extremely high on certain products. Just a few examples. China just put a 212% tariff on Australian wine. Singapore and Malaysia have extremely high tariffs on imported cars. China did it because they are mad at Australia, Singapore does it to limit cars, and Malaysia does it to protect their national car manufacturers.
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 @tacklingdummy: yeah the singapore car issue makes sense. It's so small there and there are tons of cars already. Crazy to think that a 40$k truck in canada is 250$k sgd and their dollar is close to par
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 Sad thing is, despite what the media say. Only 1/3 of the country voted leave but, the Gov claimed that was a majority an went ahead with what they wanted anyway........
Because democracy.....?
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 @jaame: maybe it’s the same smart move when YT swallowed the current tax deduction in Germany from 19 to 16%...
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You pay the VAT based on invoice date. You pay import duties based on when it enters the country. So if you order now you would have to pay german VAT now and British VAT too if it arrives after 31dec. That’s a big issue!
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 @nojzilla: And no doubt you would be making the same argument about 1/3 if the referendum went the other way right? Right? Because you would never be dishonest would you?
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 @JoshieK: what? In a non legally binding gauge of public opinion, do you know what a referendum is? And YES 1/3 actually DID vote to stay.... so in answer to your question YES I would be saying the same thing...
Because I just did
Can you not get that......?
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 @nojzilla: So it was a tie then?
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 @justanotherusername: That would suggest the Government have some kind of planning in place!!
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flag markg1150 (Dec 21, 2020 at 23:22) (Below Threshold)
Then don't blame the people who voted leave blame the people who didn't vote.
people who didn't vote don't care or couldn't decide either way which is kind of a valid place to be also unless you want to force a vote at gun point to everyone.
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 @JoshieK: among the two thirds of the populace that voted, nearly. It was like 51% leave 49 stay. A number that is way to close to call a majority. Something that Farage himself admitted (THE most staunch brexiteer) he himself said that unless the result was a majority then there should be another referendum but, pretty damn certain he would be calling for referendums until he got the result he (an his billionaire banker corporate friends wanted) the same thing that you accused me of in your reply to my stated fact. 1/3leave 1/3 remain 1/3 abstained (or couldn't be bothered) of the 1/3 that voted leave most where racist crackpots, some just wanted to stick it to the current Gov. Very few actually believed we'd be better off out the biggest, most successful trading agreement the continent had ever been part of.Its pretty damn safe to say that if there was another referendum the result would've been very different.
Would the Gov have adhered to the result? when their billionaire backers wanted a leave to turn the UK into a tax haven anyway?

So how is 1/3rd of a populace a majority? But again none of that matters when a referendum is just a gauge of public opinion not a legally binding election
The Gov left the EU because they wanted to NOT because of public opinion. The result of the referendum is a propaganda tool.

So in reference to my above comment about only (a tiny minority of) 1/3 of the populace wanting this....

Yay democracy¿¿¿
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 @makkelijk: That does clear up why YT mention paying German VAT at the present time - they are talking about sales pre Jan 1st.

You won’t need to pay VAT twice though - the invoice date doesn’t change and therefore VAT is already paid, no need to pay again in the UK just because point of entry is after Brexit.
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 @jaame: it’s a retail sale, you claim it back after paying it.
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 @markg1150: Absolute bullshit - get off your high horse and stop putting blame on the public.

It’s the people pulling the strings you should blame, not people asked to vote on an immensely complicated subject simplified info strap lines and slogans - the simple case is the public didn’t have the knowledge to vote on such a subject, I would argue they still don’t in reality.

The blame isn’t on people who voted leave, remain or didn’t vote at all, it’s on that blonde haired buffoon, Farage, the shady backers with their millions and the psychopaths that still occupy the Tory back benches.
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 @markg1150: whut?? No I wouldn't hold people at gun point that's pretty stupid thing to say but, there could've an should've been some sort of caveat so the result would've been null an void unless a certain % of the populace actually vote BUT, AGAIN. None of this matters when the gov went ahead with brexshit because they wanted to not because of what the people wanted.
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 @jaame: Plus surely they're worried more by returns than sales... stupid move on their part me thinks.
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 @nojzilla: At what point do you declare a majority. A butt-ton of election results are that close and even closer, at the end of the day you have to make a decision. If you constantly call for a new election until you get the result you want, well that has been typically given another name that is not democracy.

And this is where we know you are a part of the new religious cult of woke - "most where racist crackpots"
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 @JoshieK: a lot of countries that routinely use referendums require a super majority, Switzerland needs 65% I think one way or the other. If neither side wins they go back and adjust the offer, tweak it a bit to make people happier and have another vote, until they get over the threshold level.

Elections are a bit different to this as you get another shot in a few years, at least for this kind of permanent change I think a super major makes sense.
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 @jaame: Radon have stopped sales to the UK as well.
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 @GrandMasterOrge: Change " a lot" to some countries.

I have two problems with a super majority though I do see it has merit.
1. Re doing a single topic multiple times is costly
2. lobbying by both sides can and will descend into pathetic chaos of constantly moving goal posts. at the end of the day nothing will ever change. Like brexit or not (i'm impartial as Im not a brit though I did live there during - no I didn't vote) it was used as a tool for change, and there are many western countries that have an ever growing populace (myself included) that feel politically homeless as very little real change ever happens.
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 @JoshieK: fair comment regards a lot/some, Switzerland is the example I know of. Seemed like a fairly sensible system.
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flag jaame (Dec 22, 2020 at 0:47) (Below Threshold)
 @GrandMasterOrge: I think the blame has to lie with David Cameron, not Nigel Farage. Cameron chose to gamble on something he couldn't afford to lose... And lost. It's his fault.

I agree about the super majority. 51-49 is too close for such an important issue. That was a chump move.

I agree about the "Most were racist crackpots" comment being pretty ill-judged. Not exactly the way to convince people you are presenting a balanced argument.

I don't think the current government went into proceedings ever expecting the EU to drive this hard of a bargain. The fact that it's happening is throwing something of a spanner in the works. Clearly the Eurocrats don't want any other members getting any ideas, hence why they are trying to make an example of the UK. It's all very authoritarian. You will do as we wish, or you will pay dearly. I don't like it myself. I think it stinks to be honest. They should be trying to improve their product to make us want to stay. Why was there a referendum in the first place? Because the UK had some grievances with how the EU was run. If they ran it in a way we liked, no one would have wanted to leave.
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 @JoshieK: LOL!! HARD I'm in a woke religious cult??? that's such a f*cking joke. I claim that most brexit voter are racitst crack pots because they were and still are.Please note I didn't say ALL... Honestly how can tell me that most of the leave voters didnt have immigration as the key factor in thier vote??? as opposed to the econonmics of trade? I Could claim that it seems that your own preduices an cognative biases are showing in your accusations of me but,I haven't because hey I've never met you.. (an yet you continue to cast claims of my personality........)
I have on the other hand had Many conversations with pro brexit voters online and face to face, some within my own friends and family, an the fact that Immigration was an is a major factor in both the 'I'm not racist but' an the flat out racist mentality was prevelent in ALL.

you keep mentioning the word election when the referendum was not an election but a referendum... ?

where do I call majority, I leave that to the people more qualified than me but I certainly dont call a percentage 1.something a Majority an I certainly don't call 1/3 a majority.

SO, please continue to debate against the fact that 1/3 will never be bigger than 2/3 an even still that In a NON LEGALLY BINDING GAUGE of public opionion. The UK gov did what they wanted to an continue to use the REFEREDUM result as a propaganda tool

Fingers X'ed they'e right an the economic experts an leaders of buisness an industry where wrong in "project fear" But with major manufacturers like Nissan an now Toyota among many others planning to leave the UK
Not looking good is it?
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 @jaame: yep you realy dont get it do you
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 @nick1957: maybe not Nick, but I do know how to spell at least - so I should be able to keep my job when the shit hits the fan.
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 @nojzilla: it's not racist when the people they want to stop are the same race as they. Countryist, languageist?

I can see your angle on the 1/3 thing but I think the point is it's a representative vote. If everyone was forced to vote, so the thinking goes, the result would have been the same.

Maybe, maybe not. We will never know. Definitely a chump move to ever have the idea that a percent is enough of a difference to make such a sweeping change.
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flag JoshieK (Dec 22, 2020 at 1:10) (Below Threshold)
Whoa calm your triggered farm bruh.

You know all these racists - you keep some awful company.

" Honestly how can tell me that most of the leave voters didnt have immigration as the key factor in thier vote"
Yet you claim to have some knowledge of the opposite. Oh thats right everyone you know is a racist. very strange.

lol so anyone that didn't vote is included in the remain vote for you. lol.

Keep trying to build a strawman of me saying the referendum was anything but. You need something to burn down.
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 @jaame: I could agree with that if it wasn't for the fact that in my conversations with leave voters. They saw leaving the EU as a way to stop Refugees and asylum seekers from outside of the EU... an we both know they mean Muslims... BUT also. stopping people from other countries that may have white christian populations coming to work is nationalism,which in an extreme (beyond the national pride of say sports etc) is just another form of pedudice. I ive in an area with HUGE Portugese population in fact the town over from mine Thetford, that I grew up in is (or was) known as 'little Portugal' as it has the biggest Portugese population outside of Portugal. Also Eatsern european workers are heavily frowned upon despite being 'white christian' an we can both have a pretty good guess wether pro leavers think they should be here or not, an so. a major factor in thier referendum descision

It's all just prdudice man
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 @JoshieK: none of your replies make any sense
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 @nojzilla: People from all over the world have been seeking asylum and immigration to the UK long long before the EU even existed...

"none of your replies make any sense

Not my problem if you can't read.
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 @JoshieK: Fake profile
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 @nojzilla: Ah yes. I must be a russian bot. Im literally siting next to Putin. Anything you wish to ask?
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 @jaame: no one is safe jobwise in these times ,good luck on that score , i have a good pension so dont give a fook , there you go REALLY bad spelliing again ha ha
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 @nojzilla: yeah I can agree on that. Prejudice was definitely a factor for a lot of people. A lot of people the world over are prejudiced. Everyone is racist to some extent. It's how that racism manifests, and the strength of it, that differs and needs to be managed. This is one of the least racist countries in the world, but still there are some really deplorable people. I'm all for freedom of speech and thought, but I also believe in education and teaching people the right thing. In an ideal situation people would have the freedom to do as they choose, including being an absolute twat, but they would choose not to. That notwithstanding, birds of a feather flock together. That is an animal instinct. That's why swans swim on the same pond, and Portuguese people choose to live with other Portuguese people in the UK. A lot of folk think they only want to live with their own kind - and by that I mean culturally and linguistically. If that's how they feel, who am I to tell them thats wrong and they're racist? Ex-pats around the world cling together. Trying to protect one's group or tribe is natural and totally understandable. We just need to make sure it doesn't turn into something negative and sinister, and education is a better way to do that than legislation.

The problem about Brexit was there shouldn't have been a referendum in the first place. It was a terrible idea and will be a major bump in the road - but a bump nonetheless. Total political misstep.
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 @GrandMasterOrge: Norway is not part of the EU but we have a trade agreement in place with (since 1994) securing free movement of people, goods, services and capital with the unions inner marked.
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 @SimbaandHiggins: yes, sorry, my bad. Not part of EU but in EFTA so part of the EU's single market/Schengen but not the customs union.
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 @jaame: Rose is actually quite popular with British roadies so it could be a couple of dozen bikes a month pretty easily.
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 @justanotherusername: VAT shouldn't have been paid in Germany for quite a while even before Brexit. If you exceed a certain value of exported goods you have to pay VAT in the country you export to (as far as I have looked into it's value but I'm not 100% if it's the sole reason). So the VAT won't change for UK consumers as they are already paying their own. For example of I order from Bike24 (german online store) I won't pay 19% of VAT Germans have but 22% of mine Slovenian but if I order from some obscure manufacturer that makes 10 pieces a year I'll pay 19%.
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 @jaame: you just hit the nail on the head bang on !
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 @jaame: Here in Switzerland when ordering from the EU, VAT is subtracted and then Swiss import duty and VAT is then added. Some of the couriers are sneaky and stick on a service charge too.

There's a roaring trade of packet centres just over the border in France and Germany as the limit is higher when you physically bring it over the border yourself (and some naughty people forget to declare at all).
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 @vid1998: This is a single market mechanism - For B to C sale - business to customer, the customer pays VAT to the party it is purchasing from. E.g. customer pays VAT to YT but pays no VAT upon import so no GBP VAT - this is only due to being part of the single market and its VAT rules.

On Jan 1st - regardless of if there is a deal or not the customer will no longer pay VAT to the selling party, e.g. the customer will not pay YT any VAT upon purchase, it will be VAT free at point of sale. The customer will then pay VAT upon import into the UK.

So from Jan 1st you will be able to buy an item from Chain Reaction for example and UK VAT will not be charged - you will pay VAT upon import if you are in the EU and a customs duty if there is a no deal.

Essentially, purchasing from the UK when inside the EU will be the same as if purchasing from the USA for VAT application.
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 @vid1998: in the moment the german vat is 16% . not a huge difference but it adds up especially on more expensive items .
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 @nojzilla: Hey, Godzilla, you do realize this is NOT a political site , but a bicycle blog/site/ and comments site .
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 @Sirios: does the vat not vary depending on the category of item?
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 @robguide: what is the point? you know that since 3 years, enough time to make different plans
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 @Sirios: Until the 31st after that it will go back to 19%.
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Under VAT it's stated that a company can pay VAT in the country of origin or country of consumer depending on the total ammount of distance sales (without VAT included). YT probably sells more than 100 bikes a year to UK so they have to pay VAT there. Now the only difference for UK buyers will be that they will have to pay additional import fees. For CRC it's the same but in reverse.
I wasn't speaking about import tax/fee if you thought that only where VAT is payed in EU considering online purchases.
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 @vid1998: total number of sales isn’t a number, it’s if the company reaches vat registration threshold in the country the item is purchased within - are you also aware of business to business vat being different to business to customer?

I can absolutely guarantee you moving forward we will not charge anyone from the EU VAT at time of purchase and that they will pay VAT at time of import - If there are mechanisms whereby the seller can pre pay this who knows but unlikely.

My source - our accountant and 10 years experience selling into the USA, a third country which is the same as the UK will become after Jan 1st
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 @jaame: That’s what they’d have us believe. I’m off to my fully stocked bunker now until it’s all over
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 @pignoncino: the point is that prior to Brexit we had reciprocal working rights all over the world and of course Europe. The European rights are all gone in one go, Italy included.
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 @justanotherusername: I am fully aware what you are saying. Maybe I have wrote in a slightly confusing way. I was only speaking about B2C within the EU. In the link I added before is written in a tidier way where VAT is applied.
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 @robguide: where do we have reciprocal working rights outside Europe? Nowhere without a visa isn't it?
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 @jaame: As an IFMGA Guide - Canada, NZ, Chile, Argentina, Japan, Nepal......... USA is screwed up because the National Parks operate a franchise system.
System has been in place for years. Mountain Guides were in the first tranche of established professions to have a European Professional Card - that’s all gone now.
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 @jaame: No visa requirement
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 @robguide: Oh wow that's awesome. I did not know that. What are you worried about then? You've got plenty of other options for work. Broaden your horizons that's my advice, and count your lucky stars you trained in such a versatile career. Imagine you'd been a lowly sales assistant - not many places will let you move there and work visa free selling mobile phone contracts.
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 Brexit, what a massive fail by the UK. Not one tangible benefit, so much to lose.
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 Politics. Root of all evil
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 @kipvr: there was a benefit it highlighted many of the shortcomings of how this country actually operates and the levels at which we will stoop to outdo each other politically
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 @jaame: tbf @robguide that is pretty sick list of destinations.

Not much help if you've started building a life in Italy or France though, learned the language, developed a knowledge of the mountains there, built networks and relationships etc. Let alone if you've invested in a business.

Brilliant if you're 23 and can sack it all off and move to a different place to start over but that won't be everyone.
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 @GrandMasterOrge: well put. I'm always looking for the silver lining.
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 @jaame: I'm not being a downer but it's not really a silver lining when he had access to all of those rights before and has only lost out on rights in Europe due to brexit.

If we'd lost Euro rights and gained them elsewhere then fair enough, but that's not the situation.

On another note I've just gone to order off of bike-discount and see they have removed the UK as a delivery option. :/
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 @GrandMasterOrge: there is always a silver lining - it's all a matter of perception. In this case the silver lining is that it could be worse - at least he has more options than most. Visa free work is really something that most people will never experience. I had never even heard of that until he said it, and I am more than a little surprised. Anyone who has ever worked overseas knows, getting visas sorted out is a major ballache and surely the second most probable reason most people only ever work in their country of birth - the first reason being of course, they don't want to leave familiar surroundings, family etc.
For someone like me who can't get rid of the itchy feet, that ability to just pack up and try somewhere new would be a gift. Travelling is all well and good, but being able to support oneself in another place is a whole different kettle of fish, and one that I am very envious of in this case. Sure you can always get a visa if you want it bad enough, but it would be nice not to have to. Argentina? Yeah let's give it a go. Not for me? Try somewhere else and not have to worry about the hoops jumped, and the money spent on the visa process.
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 @jaame: which is such utter bull. Because a silver lining is a benefit due to a downside. But this is just a downside with everything else the same. And visa free work is of course what all Europeans continue to experience, including all Irish people, even those who live in UK but have never lived in Ireland. So basically loads of people. Like Aussies in NZ... Luckily my wife is European otherwise I'd be stuck on plague island too.
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 @browner: well, if you want to view the world with such pessimism you're not doing yourself any favours.
Do you know in the Philippines there are five year old kids who have to go to work sifting through garbage dumps to find scrap metal to sell. They don't go to school if they can't pay. In over 100 countries in the world people drink water that they collect in buckets. In some places it's illegal to be gay.
2021 in the UK might be a little bit worse than it was in 2019 but you're still lucky to be here.
Why not try to be thankful for what you have, rather than bitter about what you don't?
That's free advice. It's no skin off my nose if you keep telling yourself you're hard done by but it certainly isn't healthy for you.
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 @jaame: just forced back to UK from NZ due to covid so clearly a bit salty. Wouldn't describe it as pessimistic though. More like project reality. Reality is a bunch fo people who don't love in my country voted a certain way in 2016. And here we are. Not the phillipines, and not 5 years old. Just got old fashioned pure shite
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 Also don't need someone who has been sat on there arse in this country telling to keep chin up through brexit lol
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 @browner: do you mean me? I moved back here out of choice last year after spending 15 years away. The schools my kids are in are really good and they are included in the tax I pay. Tons of good riding spots, great choice in used and new bikes. Cars and motorcycles cheap as chips. Weather totally shite. Too many moaners. Too many speed cameras.
You can't have everything.
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 @jaame: the complete package. Bring on the brexit then.
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 @browner: I feel your pain though. After I finished backpacking I was totally sore. I didn't want to come home. I managed six months before I left again "for good". That second one lasted over a decade. Now I'm here because I want to be but I can understand if you're here because you have to be why that would piss you off. Literally everything pissed me off when I came home after backpacking. The reality was setting in and it was not a nice feeling.
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 @jaame: yeah it's like dat we had 4 good years but all everything sold up and cat and all back to old blighty
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 @browner: shitter. I feel your pain.
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 Bloody brexiteers...
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 Spot on dude. I have never been so ashamed to be British. Everything is such a mess ;(
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 I’d say bloody people who didn’t bother to vote because they had more important things to do than get involved in the most important political decision of the century in the UK...
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 @tracktion74: Welcome to the penitent party. We're glad to have you.
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 @tracktion74: At least Boris Johnson is slightly better than Donald.
Here we have the president telling the military to kill citizens on Jan 6th so he can stay in power.
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flag TheOriginalTwoTone (Dec 21, 2020 at 14:52) (Below Threshold)
 @abzillah: LOL you're one of those useful idiots the left loves.
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flag jaame (Dec 21, 2020 at 14:54) (Below Threshold)
 @tracktion74: the sky is falling!
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 @abzillah: At least you lot voted your idiot out of power. This place gave Boris a record election win, after he'd spent months in office f*cking up at every opportunity.
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 @TheOriginalTwoTone: it's not polite to speak with a mouthful of boot.
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flag m1dg3t (Dec 21, 2020 at 15:47) (Below Threshold)
 @BobbyHillbomb: To be fair, the majority of them are mouth breathers...
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flag pistol2ne (Dec 21, 2020 at 17:17) (Below Threshold)
 @BobbyHillbomb: Everyone is a boot licker to you dude. Everyone is a ist or promotes isms too I'd assume.

Calling people boot lickers is so played.
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flag ridesmoothbro (Dec 21, 2020 at 17:55) (Below Threshold)
 @abzillah: How is this comment left up still @pinkbike?
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flag ridesmoothbro (Dec 21, 2020 at 18:08) (Below Threshold)
 @abzillah: @smooresmoore @mikelevy How is this guys original comment allowed to stay up? Speaking of harming civilians? Unreal.
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 @jaame: Are you somehow the Brit equivalent of a Trump supporter?
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flag OldScratchJohnson (Dec 21, 2020 at 19:06) (Below Threshold)
 @abzillah: you're full of shit.
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 @ridesmoothbro: he’s not talking about himself harming civilians, or threatening to do so. Calm down.
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 @tracktion74: Sorry mate. Now you know how us Yanks have felt for the last four years. Chin up!
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 @Fix-the-Spade: @Fix-the-Spade: True, although Dumbass is trying to F things up and stay in power. Sorry to hear that mate. Hold fast. Frown
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 @ridesmoothbro: He's just accurately repeating what Trump implied.
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flag YoKev (Dec 21, 2020 at 22:51) (Below Threshold)
It's open season on liberals?
Do I need to buy a tag, or is there no limit on how many you can bag?
What's your address?
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flag jclnv (Dec 21, 2020 at 23:25) (Below Threshold)
 @tracktion74: It was a vote against mass immigration. I would imagine British people would be ashamed of your compliance.
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 @hllclmbr: At least you've moved on from "everyone I don't like is Hitler" to "Everyone I don't like is a Trump supporter" - got to keep progressing.
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flag mtb-scotland (Dec 22, 2020 at 1:47) (Below Threshold)
 @Danmcdan it isn't the people that voted to exit the EU. It is the f*ckwits in government that have taken an age to actually try and sort things out. We voted to leave 4 years ago. If the government wasn't so full of twats this would have been sorted by now. The EU have to take a proportion of blame here as well.
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 @ReformedRoadie: So that makes it ok? Some of you folks perplex me.
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 @mybaben: I'm gonna use that line sometime when I want people to believe what I want them to believe.
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 @cvoc: Because the Swiss always take a side dont theySmile
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You'd be surprised. Despite the whole 'neutral thing', Switzerland decides almost everything with referendums. If you can get a certain amount of signatures within a certain amount of time, you can put anything up for a vote. Of course it does require people to get involved in the subjects and try to do a bit of research on their own before they vote.
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 @ridesmoothbro: He is referring to Trump, with an assist from Flynn, disputing the election on Jan 6th and declaring marshall law. You know, like they do in 3rd world dictatorships, Soviet republics, etc...
What is perplexing is that people voted for the ass-clown. And think the election was stolen.
Of course if your OK with him forgoing focusing on distributing the vaccine to run interference for the Russian might be ok with that.
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 @cvoc: Most people don't want to think for themselves. They just want to complain, and blame everyone else for their problems. Ignorance is bliss.
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 @ridesmoothbro: goddamn, you're a whiny little bitch.
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 I don't know how many people will get the enormity of what this means. Think of what a single bicycle company cancelling the entirety of their UK business. Now think of all the other industries that will undoubtedly follow them. The implications are for lack of a better word, tremendous.
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 Clearly all the people who voted for Brexit... they all lacked this understanding... this will happen with every consumable good.
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 @Jsmoke: That's why I often say that a referendum is not always the right thing. Of course one wants the people to decide on which way their country heads. But way too many people are not informed enough/intelligent enough to understand how far their decisions could influence the future.
So one should let experts make these decisions (politicians often ain't better, I know)
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 I think the enormity is overstated. Is it the best case scenario? Certainly not. However, businesses that have a large presence in the UK, will find a way to make it work, as strenuous as it may be in the first few months. It's not like this is the first time in history this has happened. Canada for instance recently signed what is essentially a free-trade deal (with a lot of exceptions for cheese...) with the UK, and a lot more will follow.

My assumption is Rose Bikes has minimal exports to the UK and couldn't be bothered with it.

I still put in my CRC order, and I'm sure they'll find a way to ship it to me.
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flag jaame (Dec 21, 2020 at 15:03) (Below Threshold)
 @splitlit: exactly. There are about 160 countries that are not in the UK. It's not the end of the world.
As far as people not knowing what they were getting into, I think they did know and thought it was worth it.
You can't put a price on freedom. For some people, everything else is secondary. This isn't necessarily my view, but I am intelligent enough to understand that there is no binary truth on whether Brexit was a good idea or not. I totally get it if someone thinks being poorer, having higher costs of living and more ballache when going on holiday, probably rising unployment, property prices falling and the potential stick we will receive from foreigners, insinuating we are all racist etc.
For some, it's worth it. To each their own I guess.
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 @jaame: This is going to age well.
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 There’s many reasons for why people voted for Brexit and this is not the time to discuss them. What makes me laugh is that there’s probably plenty of people who have commented on this situation but have thought nothing to pay over the odds to upgrade their bikes with Fox factory suspension: We have been paying through the nose for this stuff for years with a 20% tariff. @bashhard:
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flag WalrusRider (Dec 21, 2020 at 15:42) (Below Threshold)
 UK will buy from countries that want to cooperate and do trade. The UK does not need EU goods and will have no problems solving any supply chain issues. In the end, money talks. Germany and some of the other EU countries are being difficult as a form of retaliation for the UK leaving the EU. That alone tells you all you need to know about the EU. A bunch of oligarchs seeking to retain their control over Europe. When their dominance is threated they lash out. Brussels is trying to make an example of the UK to thwart any other members from getting any bright ideas. When the UK rises above it's European masters countries like Poland and Hungary will be gone in a heart beat. This is just the beginning of the restoration of sovereign dignity.
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 @WalrusRider: exactly - money talks. "We won't sell you 20 million BMWs now because you left the bloc!"
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 @jaame: who on earth said BMW would suspend supply to the UK?

They will be happy to supply here, it’s the British customer that may be upset by the 10% hike in price.
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 @jaame: The Brexit campaign put a price on freedom. They wrote it in huge letters on the side of a bus. They told us we would be free AND that it would save us billions each year, that we could spend on the NHS.

But after over four years it seems that it’s going to cost us billions in economic damage and extra admin.
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 @WalrusRider: The UK absolutely needs EU goods - about half of our food comes from there and trying to move perishable goods over even greater distances would be complete lunacy.

We also need the supply chain for our car industry. The problem there is it’s JIT manufacturing which crosses the UK/EU border often multiple times. Add the delays, duty and admin costs to that and the UK factory is no longer price competitive and will have to be replaced by one in the EU.
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 @WalrusRider: not sure of your background or experience in the EU/UK but this seems like a fundamental misreading of the situation and the EUs protection of it's single market.

Imagine if the UK was demanding the same access to the US without the obligations, I'm sure most US citizens would be up in arms.

We'll still sell to each other of course, but with supply chains as integrated as ours, how we go about that and what friction is in the system really matters.
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 @GrandMasterOrge: I find this one of the most frustrating and constantly quoted opinions from people pro Brexit - that the ‘EU won’t stop selling X or Y to us, they need our trade’

That of course is true, they mostly (some will I’m sure) won’t stop trading with us, the issue is as you say - friction and that we may have to pay more for goods that will take longer to arrive.
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 I dont' think the implications are that severe. This is mainly about short-term uncertainty, not about long-term business prospects. The first few months, maybe a year or two will be chaotic but eventually continental bike brands will re-establish themselves in the UK, if the market is deemed important enough.
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 @jaame: So it’s Ok that I won’t be able to work in the Alps as a Mountain Guide anymore? I spent my whole life getting qualified- now nothing. It’s not about some crappy political stance, it’s about people’s livelihoods and dreams- shattered
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 @robguide: Sorry to hear that robguide.. im sure it will get figured out. However based on the Simon Butler ski controversy a few years back, and from talking to Brit guides in France over the years, guiding in the Alps is a classic example of where the French never believed in Europe wide freedom of labour.... unless you could find a few quid for the local town mayor of course.
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 @jaame: I totally get it if someone thinks being poorer, having higher costs of living and more ballache when going on holiday, probably rising unployment, property prices falling and the potential stick we will receive from foreigners, insinuating we are all racist etc.
For some, it's worth it. To each their own I guess.

Do you really think if they put that on the side of a bus people would’ve voted leave ? Getagrip lol
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 I love it when Pinkbike goes full Reddit.
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 This could go on for decades @JoshieK:
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 @Matt115lamb: Pinkbike, Reddit or Pinkbike carrying on like Reddit?
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 @JoshieK: The latter.
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 It's been going on all ready for quite a while. I'm a Quality Engineer in Alu foundry, orders have fallen DRASTICALLY over the last couple years. When I speak to customers an suppliers the say Brexit uncertainty.......
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 @robguide: Marry a French chick.
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 Yes but won't it mean that small british companies experience a sales increase as a result of less european giant competition? It may even pave the way for new british bike companies and increased innovation...
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flag jaame (Dec 22, 2020 at 0:51) (Below Threshold)
 @robguide: where there's a will there's a way. I don't know the ins and outs but I do know that human ingenuity conquers all. If people can walk here from war zones and gain legal residence, I'm sure you can do same in the Alps.
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 @jaame: So you don’t know the ins and outs but are prepared to gob off about other people’s livelihoods
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flag jaame (Dec 22, 2020 at 1:02) (Below Threshold)
 @robguide: don't be such a baby. I've lived and worked in five countries. There is a way, if you want to. This is the hand you have been dealt, you may as well play it. Get a visa?
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 @bashhard: Exactly. The problem with democracy is granting the uninformed, easily manipulated masses a chance at political participation. For a lack of understanding, people often times just literally do not know what's good for them.
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 @BenTheSwabian: Democracy is a terrible idea. But it is better than the alternatives.

Being an expert or a (insert profession here) or (insert IQ level here) does not make one a moral person.
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 @JoshieK: At the very least, modern western democracy is in all practical terms the least harmful form of governance. So for a lack of better alternatives, we are agreed.
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 @jaame: it’s like we’ve voted 52/48 to chop of are left foot and we all have to be happy with it !
Such a big decision should need a bigger majority that 2% . If I was in charge I would’ve made it compulsory to vote , with a majority or at least 10% and then you would have a proper mandate !
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 @BenTheSwabian: the trouble in the Uk has been 40 odd years of tabloid newspapers mocking and lying about the EU , Britannia rules the waves , we are the envy of the world and alot of people have swallowed it . We had the best deal (no schengen/own currency) of all eu countries and now since the Rise of the mighty Farage we’ve fuxked it right up , well done !
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Compulsory voting isn't better. many people are un interested or too absorbed in something else (ei busy with what ever their life's bucket full of shit has for them) to make an informed decision.

Australia has compulsory voting. I giggled as I watched an immunologist choose her voting preferences for federal election based on a candidate having the same hair colour. I believe you will have even less of an idea of what the populace wants when you force them to decide. Some will make just toss a coin, some will use some arbitrary and unrelated decision method (hair colour) some will just do what ever their mum, best friend or neighbours uncles fiancé's father's lawyer said to do.

The people not voting fall into two major categories - 1. Have decided that both sides are dumpster fires and would rather not participate. 2 don't even care enough to read anything that would inform them one way or another.

People who volunteer their vote have at least establish an narrative within themselves that they feel is important enough to make their way to a polling booth. And don't think that forcing them with the long dick of the law will make them decide to be more informed. Most Australians are politically apathetic.
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 @JoshieK: in this case, I think a voluntary vote with a large required margin of victory would have been the way to go. If you really wanted to divide people into tribes you couldn't have got the numbers much better for total societal f*ckery. Like with Trump, it's a 50:50 split which is a recipe for disaster - especially when both sides are absolutely convinced they are right and the other is wrong.
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 @JoshieK: maybe but at least everyone’s had the say !
Anyway boris doesn’t want brexit , he just went down that road cos it was the best way for his career . Now he’s got to juggle the hard brexit mps with the realistic chance of a deal and it’s no easy !
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I see merit to both sides of the supermajority picture.
my concern with the supermajority is it leaves very little room for anything to ever really change. And ad what point is a supermajority no longer a majority? While certainly making a choice based on a 50.01% isn't a perfect idea, ignoring that 50.01% isn't a responsible choice either.

As far as 50:50 splits being a disaster. I think that is not the fault of the election outcomes but a wider social issue. The rise of social media has created echo chambers. People surround themselves with like minded people and the anonymity afforded to them by the internet mean people are saying absolutely horrible thing about there political opponents that they would not say to their faces. People don't like or can't handle being opposed anymore. Not agreeing on issues is no longer acceptable especially if you are to be friends.
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 @Matt115lamb: People have had 'a' say. A statistically significant number of those people have simply muddied the water.
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flag jaame (Dec 22, 2020 at 3:19) (Below Threshold)
 @JoshieK: that is true. People want others to agree with them. Everyone wants to be right. There are not many people like me who can handle a difference of opinion. The world is not black and white, but most of the sheeple seem to think it is.
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 @jaame: quite a lot of things are black and white though. Unless you are one of the biffs that accept ‘alternative facts’ of course
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 @jaame: Is calling people with a different opinion to you 'a baby' or 'crybabies' part of your even-handed approach to handling a difference of opinion?
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 @Steventux: that was not aimed at the different opinion, but the way said opinion was expressed
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 @jaame: "I wish all the crybabies would just get over it." - sounds like a broad brush stroke rather than something specific someone said.

I think it's splitting hairs to differentiate, your response is part and parcel of how you treat someone with a differing opinion.
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 @Matt115lamb: Welcome to the "exceptionalism" game. I wonder if we invented that or you guys? Wink
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 @Steventux: No, you're wrong.
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 @jaame: And how will you go about proving this objectively sir?
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 I'm sure the British government will reconsider Brexit because of the loss of Rose Bikes...
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 Depends if the owner of Rose Bikes is a donor or not. Wink
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 I'll inform Boris
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 Yep isolated incident, no problems with our supply chain. We always park lorries en mass in Kent.
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 @Steventux: nothing to do with brexit ya drip, even if the eu wants to make an example of us due to the new corona mutation
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 @grizor: It is connected because due to the transition period ending in less than two weeks even more freight is being moved and warehouses are storing more than usual. The system was already overloaded and this mutation just makes it even worse.
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 @Steventux: well at least more lorries turned up to give them a realistic view , than their brexit simulation PR stunt did
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 @grizor: Thanks for your comment and your exclusive insight into what the EU wants, I think the name calling was purile and unnecessary, it doesn't exactly warm me to whatever point it was you were trying to make.

IMO it's part of the politics of making a deal and a skillful play to apply pressure.
Testing lorry drivers 72 hours before crossing a border does not insure against cross border virus transmission but on the face of it seems like a defensible measure.
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 Polls consistently show 60% of the country don't want brexit

But the brexiteers have cunningly latched brexit on to culture war issues

It means that no matter how much damage brexit does to the country, many will still support it.

The simple fact of brexit is that it puts up trade barriers to our nearest and by far biggest trading partner

It makes no logical sense whatsoever, but millions still believe in it.
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 What polls?
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 It's the fact that the (non-binding) referendum was on staying a member of the EU or not, and now we're leaving the EEA / Common Market and all sorts of other things with the word "European" in that aren't the EU. Demonstrating perfectly how few people seem to understand that while all these things are related, they're still separate entities.
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flag jaame (Dec 21, 2020 at 15:08) (Below Threshold)
 Split the country perhaps? Draw a line from Newcastle to Southampton. Move east of the line if you want to stay in the EU and shit. Move to the west of you want to GTFO and shit.
Everybody's happy...
...but they'd still find something to moan about!
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 I think it’s more like 53:47, but you’re right that a lot of polls have suggested that a rerun would have a different outcome.
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 @Altron5000: either way it's a shot tonne of people not getting what they want
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flag hamncheez (Dec 21, 2020 at 16:00) (Below Threshold)
 The main problem isn't Brexit, its "laws dictating which side brake levers must be fitted on complete bikes" and other nonsense. Bexit was an opportunity to do better and not be beholden to the corrupt EU. Whether or not the UK government actually does better than the EU remains to be seen
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 @hamncheez: The problem with the statement “the corrupt EU” is that the PPE sourcing during this pandemic has shown the UK government to be far more corrupt that the EU overlords.
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 Absolutely @threehats:
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 @jaame: yep and it would be a shit ton of people as well if if went the other way....
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 @threeofswords: that's what I mean. It's a total f*ck up in which either choice is going to result in approximately half of the people not getting what they want.
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 @hamncheez: says the country where the leader is in bed with Putin !
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 @Matt115lamb: Biden isn't the leader yet
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 Yeh its funny i see they sponsor James Shirley a scottish rider then when i go to just browse bikes i can't. The older generation have fucked us here in the UK. You can vote out trump we can't undo our rebellious moment.
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flag jaame (Dec 21, 2020 at 15:05) (Below Threshold)
 That's pretty ageist
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 @jaame: it’s a fact that older people voted for brexit, if you are over 48 you are more likely to have votes leave, if you are under 48 you are more likely to have voted remain:
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flag jaame (Dec 21, 2020 at 15:24) (Below Threshold)
 @Altron5000: it doesn't matter what your "facts" say. Making discriminatory comments like "Old people have f*cked us" it totally unacceptable.
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 Typical older generation, they've already shafted the economy in favour of capitalism and destroyed the environment leaving irreversible damage by stripping natural resources, leaving the youth to be slaves to unliveable wages and no hope of ever owning a house... then they were like, how else can we screw the youth more.... brexit!!!
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 @ctd07: 'in favour of capitalism' - Aah, would you prefer communism?

When you are fifty the people half your age will call you lucky and a thief because they don't have what you have.

When my mother was a young girl in the 1930s she said, in the centre of Sydney, that there was so much smoke from trains and factories that you couldn't see the sky. I have seen Sydney Harbour and the Northern Beaches go from polluted to much cleaner in twenty years. You'll just keep whinging because it's always someone else's fault.
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flag jwdenver (Dec 21, 2020 at 21:12) (Below Threshold)
 @Altron5000: It's also a fact that older people are wiser than younger people.
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 @jaame: the truth is unacceptable??? That exactly how we got in this mess
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 @iamamodel: The opposite of “capitalism” is socialism. And yes I’d much prefer to live in a world that works towards equality, rather then class division.

Most people dont relize that having a publicly funded police force, medical treatment, armies and alike is form of socialism.

And the youth of Australia should feel disaffected. The baby boomer voting block has skewed the tax and investment laws massively in there favour. The most selfish generation in our modern history. But like brexit, Trump and our long serving Tory party elections success. All the blame rests at the feet of one man... RUPERT MURDOCH. The person that control the news, controls the people.

The inter web, has given us Pinkbike, and the accessibility to fresh ideas. The futures looking UP
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 @up-left-down-right: Im Australian and I've lived in a socialist country. The $250USD I earned a month was the best. You wouldn't believe how well the disenfranchised were looked after...

"Most people dont relize that having a publicly funded police force, medical treatment, armies and alike is form of socialism."

Imagine if no one had ever heard of such thing as mixed economies. Police, medicine etc isn't a sign of socialism, its a sign of the existence of organised leadership structures (commonly known as government).

And laying blame of all your problems at the feet of one person - Sounds like the words of a stable person...
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 @up-left-down-right: And you might be surprised to find that your little friend Rupert backed Whitlam, who had ideas such as free education and healthcare and public ownership of many of Australias largest industries.
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 @up-left-down-right: You've ignored history - those Boomers used to be called Hippies. They weren't selfish then, were they? But they wised up to financial security which you call 'selfishness'. I was a socialist when I was young, but then I got a marriage and a mortgage. You're next.
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Not sure about that, you should come visit at some point.
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 @jaame: saying that is not ageist. Not giving someone a job just because they are old is ageist.
I also blame older people for brexit, but just for balance, I think younger people listen to shit music.
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The English have screwed the Scots.

It's a fact the England voted to leave and Scotland to remain.

That being said, (I voted to remain) let's just get out and see what happens.

Vote to get back in in a few years....
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 @betsie: one thing that makes me laugh in reference to the Scottish independence Ref an the EU Ref.
Scotland wan't to leave the UK? Noooo "stronger together"
Billionares wan't the UK to leave the EU? yeah FK that union
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 You'd call that "rebellious"?

I'm tending more towards "temporary insane" or "blinded by the lies of a demagoge with malicious, egoistic intent".
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 @nojzilla: what cracks me up (I like the union).
Nippy wans to leave the UK and therefore the EU.
Scotland doesnt meet the criteria to apply to rejoin by some margin with Barnet, no tariffs with the shire etc.
So... vote independence = vote to leave the EU.
Many of the same people voted to remain in the EU and blame England blue rinsers for leaving.

Some logic is broken. Must sit in the indeterminate state. These guys are the 1.4V CMOS brigade. Haha.
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 Hahahahaha fucked ya.
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 @betsie: I read someone once posted on here that the best way for Scotland to gain independence would be to give the English a vote. I doubt that myself but it's still pretty funny that someone thinks it.
I applaud your positivity though. Not many people share your sentiment of let's get out there and see what happens. I am of the same mind. It would have been nicer to have stayed in. Now that decision is in the past we should look to the future. The most annoying thing for me on a personal level is that I was out of the country and so I was going to have to register to vote... And I was going to vote remain. The media lied to me and told me that remain was going to win 60-40. It won't even be close, they said. I therefore thought bolocks to it, I can't be bothered to register - my vote won't make any difference anyway and then boom - the result was out on the day I flew back in for my summer holiday. The silver lining was that the pound instantly lost about 20% of its value. That was a good holiday for spendos!
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 @nojzilla: Couldn't agree more, no doubt Jim Ratcliffe and James Dyson are just waiting to make sure they get blue passports before they bring their billions back to the UK.
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 @Steventux: are they going to bring their billions back to the UK?
I tell thee one thing. If I could afford to send my kids to a private school I would not be living here. I mean, why would someone choose to live somewhere with such shitty weather most of the time? In summer it's very nice here but summer is so short. Heating in the houses... Just awful to have to pay to stay warm in your own home.
It's really no surprise that rich people move away.
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 @jaame: have you been on the Xmas Sherry ?
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 @jaame: You're proposing we burn the rich to stay warm? Where do I sign up?
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 @Steventux: Type that again with another demographic replacing "Rich" - I dare you!

Celebrate diversity yo - if everyone was rich we'd all be the same and that wouldn't be any fun.
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 @jaame: That and those who make such statements are not allies of the poor and in-fact it, they have disdain for poor people. Rather they just hate the rich. This is true of the bolsheviks from the Russian revolution and its true of modern progressives.
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 @JoshieK: It never ceases to amaze me how much hatred there is on the internet. The amazement is second only to the phenomenon that says certain groups are fair game for as much slander and abuse as the hateful people can muster. I often hear "celebrate diversity" in the same breath as a deeply intolerant statement about certain politicians, Brexit/Leave voters and the rich.

"You only voted leave because you're a disgusting racist scumbag who hates foreigners and immigration. People like you don't deserve a vote - you're an embarassment to yourself and to all of us. You should be ashamed of yourself - you and all the other old people who f*cked us. Celebrate diversity FFS."
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 @jaame: And thats the vial diatribe that they wouldn't have the fortitude to say in a face to face contact unless they are walking around in large gangs "protesting".

Unfortunately the only bipartisan issue is that the time for reasonable dialogue and rational negotiation is coming to an end.
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 @jwdenver: It’s not a fact, however many times people may say it. And if you observe enough people you’ll see that generally people’s characters are accentuated as they get older. The wise younger people become wiser old people, whilst the foolish younger become more foolish older people.
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 @jaame: @jaame: You are right it is stereotyping a lot of people and ageist but there is a degree of truth to it. It's the below 50s that will largely suffer the consequences.
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 its to do with import taxes, its all up in air until we know if deal or no deal. Once that is sorted them they can reprice or advise if taxes to be paid like if we buy from the USA etc.
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 Who wants a crappy Euro geo bike these days anyway. If it doesn't have a 79.7 degree seat angle, 687mm reach, 58.6 degree head angle and 1465mm wheelbase it just won't cut it in the UK. We have trail centres with black runs here don't ya know.
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 why yes I do ride a medium with a 500mm seat tube, how could you tell?
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In response to the Rose press release, Pole Bicycles increases order availability!

Fine print:
(Orders will not be fulfilled and customer service will still not be provided)
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 I hope Propain doesn't do the same!
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 I hope Peugeot do .... poxy vans cost me a fortune , good excuse to get shot of it lol
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 @Matt115lamb: Oh really? Off topic but interested as I have a Shitroen Relay (Pug engine) what went wrong (or maybe what didn't go wrong)?
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 @Steventux: electrics play up ie starts when I feels like it , injectors, a few forced egr cleans , water pump and an engine rattle at 1000 revs that is a gearbox rebuild so may as well put a clutch in it ££££
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 @Matt115lamb: Eek yeah that's a few quids worth.
I'm currently dealing with a constant battery drain which is either the radio or the alarm. New battery and it's dead in 3-4 days.
I thought the PSA HDi engines were OK though, Toyota and Ford are using them so I was hoping that was a good sign. It's a shame as Peugeot diesels once had a good reputation.
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 @Steventux: Parasitic draw should be easy enough to locate. Just need a test light, maybe a multi meter, and start pulling fuses/checking grounds. Once you locate the draw repair/replace what ever is the cause.
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 @m1dg3t: Thanks!
I did the less scientific thing of measuring battery voltage 30 mins after a long run, pulling the alarm/radio fuse on a hunch and waiting 3 days, the voltage was only slightly lower whereas with that fuse in place the battery gets drained to under 6V in 4 days.
I've now disconnected the radio and replaced the fuse, hoping it is the radio as I can wire a manual switch in to the constant power supply and live with radio memory loss. If it's the alarm I'm not so sure what the remedy will be.
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 Nigel Farages' garage is going to be a very lonely place to be this Christmas.
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 Doesn't change much, would be keen to see a poll from the UK on who has ever seen a Rose bike on trail. This being said, nice looking bikes, shame.
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 I have a Rose Soul Fire. My mate used to run Rose UK, he left a couple of years ago, he knew then something funny was going on back then.
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 @deli-hustler: how does it go? Looks like a ripper for sure.
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 @Danthor: it's one hell of a bike. Mine is set up more of an Enduro bike at the moment, single crown fork, biggish cassette, set to 180 travelin the rear and a dropper post. Since I got my ebike I've been thinking of making more of a DH bike, duel crown fork, smaller cassette, set to 190 travel on the rear and a normal seatpost. I've done all sorts with it, even had a weeride on it to take my daughter down some runs in Tignes.
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 Im not sure if this is rose reacting to brexit, or just pure logistics, as a truck driver ive seen the build ups at ports, just this last weekend dover and the tunnel are shut, probably just Rose thinking its not worth it at the moment, anyone have a figure for how many bikes they sold in the uk last year ? If Giant ,Spesh,Trek etc said they were pulling the plug itd be different .
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 Radon bikes have just stopped deliveries and I think more will in the coming weeks !
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 Could set up a freight forwarding business doing orders From bike discount, bike24, rose bikes, and the like. Put the goods on a Spanish trawler and lower them into the deep in lobster pot. Fish it out with magnets and tow the boat ashore with a drone and a hook. Then transport it around the country with a series of deliveroo relays... And the end product would be as cheap as if not cheaper than whatever backward to hell brexit prices the horrid old little Englanders have foisted upon us.
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 Hmmm I can see some flaws in you plan ;-)
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 It's naive to think the UK would not have to fight hard to get any sort of useful deal, the EU needs to maintain solidarity and promote the benefits of membership, it owes nothing to countries wishing to exit. David Cameron was complacent about ending what has been decades of infighting in the tory party between the free-market purists who believe we're better off with the EU moving towards a libertarian tax haven with little of no 'regulation' and the classic conservative position of remain. The irony is for the pound-shop racists who wanted to leave to avoid the Powellesque fantasy of mass immigration and to regain sovereignty by stopping future interference from foreign interests is that our media is predominantly owned by a foreign free-market purist. Once the Murdoch machine gets behind something the decision is all but made. There are numerous UK historical occasions to demonstrate. I'm not crying about it, time will tell how we get on out of the EU. The current government sees opportunity in deregulation, that works well for some people and less well for others but that is Conservatism essentially. We'll all be crying once we're wiping our arses with the cardboard box our rattlecan Orange bike came in.
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 The cherry on top of the cake for what has been such a great year, go Britain better alone!!!
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 I thought they couldn't sell there anyway because of some new law that came in stating all bike must come with front brake on the right as stock.
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 I don't know why you got a downvote for that comment; you're ostensibly referring to another Pinkbike article that's just 3 months old:
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 @barp: The right way around of course.....just like every motorbike in the world!
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 @JasenK: I'm not touching that debate with a 10-foot pole. Neither with my right hand nor my left.
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 Wow! No deal no joke!
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 There’s plenty of other brands apart from the Germans who make great bikes. Their customer service is crap so can’t see why everyone is bemoaning the temporary loss of a few bike brands.
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 It goes the other way as well. Was looking at buying the Privateer 161. But they are actually €700 more if you live in EU and not UK. So I got a European bike made in Taiwan instead of a UK bike made in Taiwan.
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 Movements are happening all over the place just now.
Some European functions are returning to the UK as we speak also.

Supply chain is being hit by COVID and natural disasters significantly more than BREXIT.

It's an R&D nightmare out there just now. Or is that a purchasing ans supply chain nightmare passed on to those of us in R&D and product support...
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 The long and the short of it is:

A) all the delivery companies have stopped shipping to the UK. Informally before the covid restrictions, but now it's official
B) the custom duties are uncertain because the deal hasn't been settled yet. Which mean you end up with WTO tariffs or not, and Rose figures it's too much hassle to deal with atm.
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 Can we please correct the title of the article:

Rose Bikes Cancels All Plague Island Orders, Citing Brexit
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 One of the things that you need to weigh out with a direct to consumer brand. They might just stop shipping orders at a moment's notice, and with no dealer support you're stuck.
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 This is old news it's been around for weeks. It was said the way they build their bikes from now on there wasn't a way to swop the brakes around to UK sides. It sounded to me at the time that the bikes were built up in the far east and they didn't have the facilities to swop them in Germany.
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 What with our covid response and brexit I'm ashamed to be british now
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 Don’t forget the food too
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 I can think of at least a dozen more reasons why you should be ashamed to be British....but I’m Irish...
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 @nsteele: Who doesn't like spotted dick?
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 When you grow up you’ll probably change your mind so don’t worry too much.
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 @unrooted: is that the same Ireland that relies on eu handouts?
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 @spl75: Nope the kind that lives in America due to British oppression.
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 Well... I can’t imagine it was easy to say goodbye to all those sales......
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 Why is britain wanting to leave the EU? Is it up to vote by the people or is it up to the (evil and corrupt) politicians?
  • 3 1
 It was voted by the people, now the politicians and media are mad at the people.
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 @unrooted: It was up to vote for a badly misinformed public, being lied to by elitist politicians and lobbyists.
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 @unrooted: It was endorsed by the media and opportunist politicians and now the people are mad at the europeans.
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 @BenTheSwabian: literally the opposite of what you said, the "elitist" and politicians wanted to remain in the EU.
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 @unrooted: kind of there was this bloke called david cameron , he was the prime minister that lit the blue touch paper, then thought about it for a bit then thought OH HOLY f*ck WHAT HAVE I DONE, then hastily f*cked off never to be seen again, leaving the rest of the mushrooms in the UK to be kept in the dark and fed on shit
  • 1 0
 I am fundamentally confused as to what is happening here. The UK has published a list of tariffs that go into effect January 1, 2021 seen here: . Why can't Rose just apply a tariff fee to any shipments to the UK?
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 Because companies still don't know if they will be applying those tariffs or if there will be a deal. Businesses and customers operate on certainty, I certainly wouldn't buy anything if I don't know the final cost of it.

Once the dust settles they'll all be selling to the UK but I doubt once all the extra costs are added it'll be worth going to them instead of CRC/Wiggle
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 @fuzzydunlop: It absolutely means that with the new tariffs that there might be no demand. I just don't understand the decision not to offer support parts to your current customers. You could easily just charge tariffs based on whatever it says they will be on that website. I don't care where they sell their bikes but it's a dick move not to do everything they can to support their current customers.
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 @friendlyfoe: I've no doubt they'll support existing customers in the NY (they haven't said anything to the contrary) but the current situation Brexit/Borders closed because of Covid means its a short term measure

I've just looked at all the German retailers and none of them are shipping to the UK. Its easier for YT and Canyon to just add £200 to the cost of each bike than component retailers who operate on smaller margins
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 I've been wondering how Wiggle/CRC is going to deal with the situation. I haven't seen a statement on their site to date. If you place an order from outside the UK inside the EU, I guess it's your problem, not theirs.

Their strategy is summed up nicely here
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 It's the future as the UK continues to slide down the table of countries in terms of all metrics etc, economy, health, wealth distribution, fairness, , environment, value ,etc, all going one way.
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 The YT shop is about 1 mile from my door, wierd how you can go there, demo a bike, talk to the guys, but can't buy the bike from the store, seems odd that they can't, don't ship some stock to the store. It's also a strange business model, because it's a really cool store, but you can't buy anything other than a few t shirts, I am not saying it would make a fortune, but it would make some money and get potential buyers in if they sold other stuff , tyres, spares, accessories, offered servicing etc like a normal bike shop.
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 From a pandemic to an epidemic in lost revenue due to un- available parts . The average wait time for a new higher end bike in germany is around six months .
Cube was one of the few companies who's wait time was less , but that was six months ago when i checked .
I ordered a Nox e MTB ( a german/ austrian company ) last month and was told that it MIGHT be available in may.
I went with Nox because they are the only bike that offers the new german motor from Sachs micro mobility . The bike itself is not soo fantastic .
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 basically we must be punished for voting to secure our borders in a year when every day illegal migrants were escorted to the uk every day in small boats by borderfarce and the french navy ,then put up in hotels and ex army bases all over the uk , no checks no id but given food money and a roof,, all while we were and now are locked down over a fake plandemic ,,
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 Its Rose bikes who cares!!!!
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 And so continues the UK shit show.
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 Anyone in the UK already got or trying to buy a bike from Rose? I've never seen one.
  • 2 0
 I have a Rose Soul Fire
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 they stopped selling bikes to the uk a couple of months ago due to brake orientation restrictions... doubt they made many sales here anyhow
  • 5 1
 ahh sovereignty . be carefull what you wish for . oops to late
  • 2 0
 POLITICS...HATE how it’s infiltrated everything... PB ....escape from all the bullshit ...let’s keep it focused on bikes people.
  • 5 1
 That stinks...
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 Bollocks innit?
  • 1 0
 Just liike thier Roses
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 Seems strange to do this now and not in January, who knows what they will come up with in the next week
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  • 5 1
 Cam on ingerland
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 No loss. Stack of brands still selling great bikes in Uk. 2 of the best mountain bike companies there is still sell in my country.
  • 1 0
 Sounds like a few companies are not going to bother with selling to the UK maybe that'll mean YT USA will actually have some bikes next year.
  • 4 1
 I've never seen a Rose bike in the UK. Go figure.
  • 2 0
 quite rare. had one of the first new gen granite chief , loved it
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 The most disheartening thing is the inertia of politics (all regardless of the party) in the years in which transport, purchases and information are at maximum speed.
  • 2 1
 I hope the other brands follow suit and those PB / riders who voted to leave had one on order..... bitter... yeah I f-ing am.
  • 2 0
 A company doesn't turn away customers unless it's more costly to keep them.
  • 3 0
 Pick for England!
  • 4 1
 Sunlit fucking uplands.
  • 3 0
 for fucks sake
  • 2 0
 uhh never heard of this brand
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 First of many companies to make this kind of action. I believe these decisions are made due to political pressure as oppose to internal company decision making.
  • 2 0
 TIL there is a bike brand called Rose
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 So they couldn't just hire a kid to swap the brakes around?

Maybe Rose bikes could call their LBS and get some tips.

Just a thought . . .
  • 3 0
 Buy a starling
  • 2 1
 I thought the UK had access to some SWEET steel hardtails, so why would they care about DTC squishy bikes???
  • 2 0
 These Roses smell like poo?
  • 3 0
 War of the Roses?
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 Fuck rose bikes. There is nothing stopping them from completing those orders other than they choose not to.
  • 4 0
 If they were struggling for sales, then yes. If all bikes are easily sold into the less hassle market where you aren't going to potentially lose money on each sale then it makes more sense to not bother with us for now.
  • 1 0
 well done your logic is correct
  • 2 0
 Just order those Chinese rose bikes from USA
  • 3 2
 I cant believe a there's not a UK manufacturer that can take Roses part of the market. Goodbye Rose hello opportunity.
  • 4 2
 I guarantee this affects less people than the number of comments.
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 Cancel all German cars coming to UK too.....20% of German made cars are sold in the UK :-0
  • 2 1
 Ohhhh, more politics, ugh!
  • 2 0
 yeah you have your own problems too , some of them a lot bigger than where a push bike is made
  • 1 0
 @Compositepro: I get that there will be politics anytime there is more than one human present, AND it's important to have at least a few sanctuaries from it as well. Sorry you're having troubles across the pond...
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 @wasea04: ah man they are caused by self flagilation (is that the word) to be honest i interact very little with the internet these days , best of luck mate
  • 1 0
 Wonder how this effect warranty on bikes already sold?
  • 1 0
 this comment section is a burning pile of shit
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 They’ll be back as soon as we give the French access to our waters for fishing.
  • 1 0
 Old news. Never seen a Rose bike anywhere in UK. Ever.
  • 1 0
 Anyone reckon they will just cancel it he whole thing at 11.59
  • 2 2
 Great year for me to have bought a Propain. FML.
  • 3 4
 Why is that a problem? Because of the possibility of a small amount of duty on any spares you need?
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 @justanotherusername: Well for one, just because I bought a MTB this year doesn't make me rich mate (I saved for that thing for a long time), so yeah, I care about the duty I pay on anything. Secondly, my bike has a 5 yr warranty that probably wont cover the shipping back to Germany now, so should I ever (god forbid) have to ship the frame back, I'll possibly be screwed. Thirdly, if you read the article above, you'll know it says that UK customers (of ROSE) "are not currently able to purchase spare parts for their bikes, such as derailleur hangers", so your scenario may not even be possible. Lastly, even if it is possible, I don't know what crystal ball you have to know what the duty on anything will be (despite a trade agreement not yet being made) but I want it please.
Cheers in adv.
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 @iridewhatever: For one, I make no assumptions that you are ‘rich’ - knowing the duty on imports in the event of no deal doesn’t need a crystal ball, just the internet - it’s freely available. If we get a deal then there are no duties, that’s the point of a FTA after all.

WTO code for bicycles, if I am right is 14% duty, parts I believe much less, so a hanger will cost you a couple of quid more max.

If you have a 5 year warranty, I am sure they will honour it - rose are a very different company to Propain - business want to make money, why would they just pull out entirely if sales and money can still be made, after all we are not about to stop wanting bikes on the UK anytime soon, are we?
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 @justanotherusername: you have to ask why one set of the public are buying a Uk made brand and the other a big box shifter type brand , from Europe is it price? Because reading the rags that are the cycling industry press and forums British is always held in such high esteem
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 @Compositepro: price has to be a big part of it.

The uk seems to do OK with Nukeproof, whyte etc, they are Taiwanese though.

UK made? I suppose we are left with a lot less ‘polish’ - the starlings and stantons are nice but pretty niche.
  • 1 0
 Ah well
  • 1 3
 A rose by anyother name would still look like a POS... or something like that. lol
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