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2022 Pinkbike Awards: Innovation of the Year Winner

Dec 20, 2022 at 8:58
by Seb Stott  

The pace of innovation has slowed. The bike industry is no longer looking for revolutionary concepts or taking giant leaps forwards, but rather honing and refining things. One area of the sport that's still relatively fresh and evolving is the genre of lightweight eMTBs. These use less punchy motors, smaller batteries and lightweight components to achieve a total weight and ride feel that's not far off some regular mountain bikes.

The latest player in this game is TQ, who entered eMTB from the robotics world with a lightweight and compact motor that works in a cleverly different way from most drive units.



TQ-HPR50 Motor

Compact, light, quiet.

Electric motors are incredible. A motor the size of a hockey puck can generate more power than you and do so with over 90% efficiency. The problem is, they generate that power at several thousand RPM, so most of what's inside an e-bike drive unit is called the reduction gearing, which allows the cranks to spin many times slower than the motor. This gearing can take the form of belts and pulleys or a series of gears, usually with the motor to one side of the crank spindle, giving e-bike motors their oblong shape.

TQ does it differently. They place the motor concentrically around the crank spindle and use a patented harmonic pin ring system to provide the gearing, so the crank spins 17.5 times slower than the motor.

This has a few advantages. Firstly, because the unit is so compact - more like a thick BB than a regular motor - it's easier for frame designers to put batteries, pivots and rear wheels exactly where they want. Plenty of e-bikes have weird suspension designs or lengthy chainstays in every size just to fit around the bulky motor casing. Secondly, with fewer parts, the motor is the lightest on the market, at 1,830 g. Finally, that 17.5 ratio is smaller than most e-bikes, meaning the motor spins more slowly for a given crank speed. That could be seen as a bad thing because output torque is limited to 50 Nm - less than most other systems - but that's just the ticket if you want to maintain a "regular bike feel" on an eMTB. Plus, TQ says the slower motor speeds help them keep the system super quiet.

The motor is now powering a few bikes, including the BMC Fourstroke AMP and Scott Lumen, but we got a good feel for it on the Trek Fuel EX-e. What struck us was the very quiet ride, both on the climbs and descents, and the overall "bike-like" handling package. According to the reviewer, Matt Beer, "That tiny harmonic pin ring drive unit is the golden goose of e-bike motors."

Trek Fuel EX-e 9.9 XX1 AXS Photo Dave Smith
Trek Fuel EX-e 9.9 XX1 AXS Photo Dave Smith

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  • 736 73
 Hahahahahahaha Hahahahaha Hahahahaha
Can’t stop laughing. So the most innovative part for a

Hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha oh man please
Stop Hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha
Hahahahaha stop, stop please Hahahahaha
  • 77 22
 Better than headset routing
  • 12 21
flag pargolf8 (Dec 27, 2022 at 5:30) (Below Threshold)
 Is that a KYB conversion you got on that CR? Hahahahahajajaja please stop looks like it has braces. Hahahahahahahahahaha
  • 19 5
 You captured the emotions here perfectly hahah
  • 11 2
 Thank you , Outside!!!
  • 62 6
 Now they're just trolling us. What a joke.
  • 26 28
 This is where the major advancements are happening right now. Whether you love regular bikes or ebikes. A lot of the big leaps in innovation has been done.
  • 11 9
 +1 and I have a e-bike filter but still see this =/
  • 6 4
 @bonkmasterflex: They might be trolling, but the joke’s on us. This article has far more engagement than the other three award articles that features bike products.
  • 2 8
flag scott-townes FL (Dec 27, 2022 at 8:57) (Below Threshold)
 Aheeeeem, its not a motor, its a pedal-assist device! Duh.
  • 8 5
 It wins the "Absurdist Award 2022"!!!!!
  • 26 1
 The future is nothing what I hoped for.
  • 1 2
 @nozes: Blackpilled already? Its not even New Years
  • 1 0
 Sad but true
  • 10 21
flag devincihucker2004 (Dec 27, 2022 at 10:21) (Below Threshold)
 Durtwrx and friends in a couple years will post pictures of their new e-bikes on facebook and will enjoy them on trails, just like 29" haters of the past do now.

This my friend, is what made me laugh the most .
  • 30 1
 Yeah if races keep ebikes in a separate category so should PB awards. We really just need a new website at this point - PinkE Bike.
  • 14 29
flag tacklingdummy (Dec 27, 2022 at 11:37) (Below Threshold)
 Folks critical of ebikes should never use a chairlift at a bike park. Just saying.Wink
  • 27 3
 @tacklingdummy: folks with e-bikes should never use chairlifts but here we are in the world...
  • 15 15
 @gunnyhoney: What is the difference between using a chairlift at a bike park or shuttle as assistance to the top compared to using an ebike as assistance to get to the top?
  • 1 10
flag dirtymcgirty (Dec 27, 2022 at 13:14) (Below Threshold)
 @i-like-toytles: Makes total sense, they can make PinkD Bike for downhill, PinkDuro Bike for Enduro, PinkXC Bike for XC, PinkT Bike for trail, and PinkDC Bike for Levy
  • 13 46
flag DoubleCrownAddict (Dec 27, 2022 at 14:20) (Below Threshold)
 @nozes: E bikes are one of the few things about the future that hasn't disappointed me. Makes trail building so much easier and I get in more laps.

@bonkmasterflex:. The joke will ALWAYS be on snail bikers and their hilariously slow climbing speed. At least that's how I feel when I pass then like they are standing still while sweating like they are in a sauna.

Is riding a bike actually fun when you are going that slow? Yeah whatever, Snails.

@tacklingdummy: Don't expect any logical answer from snail bikers even though you've completely exposed their stupid trolling here. It's as if they've combined all the characteristic of fact denying Trump supporters and combined them with an Amish approach to mountain bike technology.
  • 3 0
 @dirtymcgirty: perfect. And then there can be arguments about which website an Ibis Ripmo article should be on.
  • 3 1
 @tacklingdummy: one way up you sit down and wait and the other way up you pedal your bike to the top. It’s not tricky to figure out the difference.
  • 12 0
 @DoubleCrownAddict: this has literally nothing to do with Trump. Stop obsessing over orange man. There are much more interesting things to think about
  • 17 1
 Someone pls start a petition for the re-selection of the most innovative product please..
  • 11 1
 @wslee: and the option to downvote an article
  • 5 0
 Hey, when your local electricity grid is doing half the work, choosing a good motor for your AssBike is important.
  • 6 2
 @wburnes: As a head’s up, since your profile indicates you’re semi-new here… Don’t engage that dude.
  • 18 3
 Why do some folks still insist motorbikes are bicycles? They are not. Please stop the madness.
  • 1 0

Well they say this motor is available on a Scott, so you can have your cake and throw up a little in your mouth too.
  • 2 0
 @tacklingdummy:with a chair lift, you rest....
with an ebike, you do sports !!
  • 311 37
 I think ebiking and mountain biking should be seen as different sports. A mountain bike website saying the best thing to happen to bikes this year is a motor is pretty sad. Mountain biking is hard - it’s meant to be hard. It’s the hard that makes it great!
  • 33 6
  • 57 72
flag ajaxwalker FL (Dec 27, 2022 at 6:04) (Below Threshold)
 by that logic, are you saying downhill mountain biking is easy, because you use a chairlift/shuttle?
  • 43 13
 @ajaxwalker: Don’t be a plonker
  • 23 77
flag Y12Sentinel (Dec 27, 2022 at 6:15) (Below Threshold)
 Riding an ebike can be way harder than any analog bike if your skills can afford the truth.
  • 18 8
 @jimmythehat: We'll he is right tho?
  • 16 14
 @mtb-jon: in a world of simpletons maybe
  • 9 4
 @jimmythehat: I am a simpleton, please explain it to me
  • 65 13
 @Y12Sentinel: Riding a motor bike can be way harder than biking too. So what? It’s still not biking. Some things have ambiguous cut-offs but to me this one is clear. If a motor helps propel you forward, it’s not biking, it’s a form of motor biking. Not saying it doesn’t have a place in the world but it should not be confused with riding a bike even if it looks the same and feels similar in many respects.
  • 56 19
 "Mountain biking is hard - it's meant to be hard. It's the hard that makes it great!"

You get it. Outside mag, doesn't get it. f*ck Outside mag and f*ck ebikes.
  • 5 1
 whatever floats your boat...
  • 31 9
 @Phat-Tony: truth. A fundamental shift in the nature of something should be dignified with a different classification. We wouldn’t call rollerblading jogging would we? The cognitive dissonance of riding a vehicle with a motor and then claiming it is not motorized…
  • 13 13
 @ajaxwalker: I love that you’re very true and accurate question is being down voted. Lol.
  • 13 13
 @Phat-Tony: biking means something with two wheels. For it to not be biking, it would have to have less than two wheels, or more than two wheels.
  • 8 16
flag matyk (Dec 27, 2022 at 7:55) (Below Threshold)
 @ajaxwalker: It's true. Ebikes and chairlifts are really no different. And these giant dinner plate 50T cassettes are the stepping stones....
  • 18 10
 You're still pedaling though. I don't own an ebike, and likely won't in the near future, but the times I have ridden them I've experienced a significant workout. I just covered more clicks doing so.
  • 3 2
 Really there wasn't much too improve on over last year with bikes. 2021 bikes are just as good (or better if you don't like headset routing) than 2022 bikes.

What would you have awarded the winner to (maybe UDH, but it's not very recent)?
  • 7 17
flag wburnes FL (Dec 27, 2022 at 8:17) (Below Threshold)
 @topherdagopher: your legs are a motor too. Why cut off technology at ebike motors? Are 29ers, suspension, hydraulic disc brakes, droppers, big cassettes, great tires, and other technological aids cheating too?
  • 29 13
 @wburnes: this is the worst argument ever. Mountain biking you provide 100% of the energy. Ebiking you do not. They are different sports. Most people ride e-bikes because it requires less effort - nothing wrong with that, it is what it is. It’s just not mountain biking.
  • 12 24
flag rrolly (Dec 27, 2022 at 8:34) (Below Threshold)
 @tbc: Not exactly. An ebike won't go without you pedaling. It is assisting the rider. Incidentally, your chainring, cassette, and crankarms also assist the rider by making it easier to propel a bike forward.
  • 25 7
 Biking isn’t intrinsically “meant” to be anything. They didn’t invent the first bicycle and say: “Now remember, this is meant to be hard so if it’s easier or you’re having fun, you’re not using it for its intended purposes. Please adhere to the reasons we made this, which is hardness.” The meaning of a bike is entirely user generated. I personally want fast uphills, which are an extremely good workout on an eBike and tons of traction and stability on the way down. And I want as many downs as possible. For others, it is the challenge of going up the hill, unassisted and light Poppy feeling on the way down. Both things are meaning derived from the rider and no one else.
  • 4 16
flag wburnes FL (Dec 27, 2022 at 9:11) (Below Threshold)
 @tbc: what? You can burn more calories on an e-bike if you want. You can have a higher vO2 max, higher heart rate, higher watts if you want.

Only real difference is that the e-bike will be a bit less lower body, and more upper body/core muscle work, which is probably a good thing.
  • 27 7
 I have absolutely nothing against street e-bikes. They might actually help a bit with global warming if, and it is a big if, they bring more people to commute by bike. But e-MTB is just an indulgence, and it has of course an environmental impact much worse than MTB. Having a MTB site promoting e-MTB is indeed sad.
  • 8 9
 @dododuzzi: Mountain biking and hiking are also an indulgence, and bad for the environment.
  • 17 9
 @wburnes: And skiing !
Using chairlifts is not skiing, skiing is only you against the moutain, up and down.
So few people skiing these days Big Grin
This anti emtb war on PB is so damn ridiculous i love it !
  • 3 0
 @mtb-jon: He was obviously talking about uphills init
  • 4 0
 Still waiting for pinkybike.com...
  • 13 5
 @PHX77: this is such a silly argument. Humans are wired to categorize things and we generally do so with communal agreement. Since the 19th century the defining features of a bike have not changed: a 2-wheeled human powered machine. This is a really broad framework. Should we call lightbulbs candles? Should we call cars horses? A lot of whataboutisms in my argument admittedly, but I don’t think it detracts from it. A bicycle has been known as a bicycle for 200 years and for a group of marketeers to now decide it’s something different is a joke. I am not opposed to ebikes, I think they are a great solution for transportation, but let’s not call them mountain bikes.
  • 8 1
 @kegron: add motors to skis and see how skiers react… would be carnage! Add motors to surfboards and see how surfers react!!
  • 9 14
flag PHX77 (Dec 27, 2022 at 11:21) (Below Threshold)

A bicycle is a cycle with two wheels.

A mountain bike is a bicycle meant to be ridden in mountainous terrain.

A class 1 electric mountain bike is a mountain bike with electric motor assistance that is designed to be ridden on the exact same terrain as mountain bikes, plus up terrain where mountain bikes are typically dismounted and pushed.

Xoxo - a fellow categorizing human being.
  • 17 12
 @mtb-jon: 99% of e bikes riders I see are just lazy people looking for more runs a day. Local trails really suffer from this selfish mind.
  • 9 5
 What is the difference between using a chairlift at a bike park or shuttle to get to the top compared to using an ebike to get to the top? The ebike actually uses more effort.
  • 6 9
 @pasteque51: Exactly the opposite of my experience. I can only think of two people that I've come across that fit that description. I have seen a few middle aged larger people on emtb's, but I'm not sure what their story is. Could be health, etc.
  • 1 4
 Spot on mate best comment here@Phat-Tony:
  • 9 5
 @pasteque51: They are lazy for wanting to do more? Lmao

Do you have any evidence that they are ruining trails or are you just making that up?
  • 2 3
 You must be in the idiot category !@PHX77:
  • 2 6
flag GeneralGroovus (Dec 27, 2022 at 19:06) (Below Threshold)
 Tubeless tires...what a pain
Mullets...no way in hell they will catch on

Small, light, quiet motors in bicycles...WTF?

Might as well call them Led Zeppelins
  • 7 1
 They are different sports. One is a motorsport, the other is mountain biking.
  • 2 2
 @dododuzzi: It’s kinda the ‘steroids’ of mountain biking.
  • 11 3
 I used to find some climbs hard but then I got a gym membership and a professional trainer to help improve my fitness, it’s hard work in the gym but now I find those climbs much easier.

Pedalling a dh bike uphill is hard. So I got a job where I work hard and earn money to pay for day passes to ride a chairlift to the top. An electric chairlift. I work hard to pay for those chairlift days.

Pedalling multiple laps of my favourite trails takes too long after work, it usually gets dark after one lap. So I use the money I earned while working hard at my job to pay my electricity bill to charge my ebike, now I can do 3 or 4 laps after work before it gets dark, it’s a lot of pedalling and I get tired but I just love getting the laps in.

Sometimes I ride after dark, it’s really hard to see the trail at night so I use an electric light to illuminate the trail, it makes riding much easier.

I’m grateful for all these opportunities to work hard to make riding hard much easier.
  • 200 12
 This is like an archery website naming the best new bow and and arrow an AR-15
  • 110 1
 It's like a geology website naming Dwayne Johnson the best mineral.
  • 15 43
flag sack-zement (Dec 27, 2022 at 6:33) (Below Threshold)
 Most of the pinkbike users definately seem to be stuck in the bow and arrow times..
  • 32 0
 What’s wrong with bows? They are sporty, require a skilled operator to hunt with, and are a good tool for the job. Almost as if some of the enjoyment of bow hunting comes from the challenge, something entitled, inpatient; instant gratification seeking people won’t understand.
  • 3 3
 Or Trojans innovation of the year. A vibrator. I couldn't believe it either.
  • 9 24
flag PHX77 (Dec 27, 2022 at 9:05) (Below Threshold)
 No, it’s more like an archery website naming a compound bow the innovation of the year versus a recurve bow because the compound bow showed a greater level of innovation than the recurve bow did as per the definition of the award category.
  • 15 1
 @PHX77: compound vs recurve is like arguing for the mechanical advantage of gears on a bike not the addition of an external power source.
  • 11 13
 @topherdagopher: The website Pinkbike.com covers both mountain bikes, and class 1 electric mountain bikes because they have more common than they have differences. The award is for innovation. The big leaps in innovation right now are happening with class 1 electric mountain bikes because it is the newer thing. In a few years time the innovation curve will flatten just as it has for mountain bikes. It’s worth re-stating that the award is for innovation. The bow and arrow to AR comparison would be closer to a mountain bike to Panigale V4 comparison
  • 5 0
 @PHX77: it just so happens that the v4 is a whole hell of a lot closer to an ebike than a real bike so I’m not sure what your point is.
  • 3 9
flag PHX77 (Dec 27, 2022 at 11:51) (Below Threshold)
 @topherdagopher: I would agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.
  • 2 7
flag pargolf8 (Dec 27, 2022 at 15:41) (Below Threshold)
 @topherdagopher: as an archer and an ebiker my opinion is if you’re named topher, no way ur not beta boy huh?
  • 6 9
 @pargolf8: as an archer and an ebiker you still made the stupidest comment in the whole thread. Good on you for being so smooth brained.

f*ckin dweeb.
  • 2 8
flag pargolf8 (Dec 27, 2022 at 18:39) (Below Threshold)
 @topherdagopher: dweeb cuts deep, tofu!
  • 4 3
 @pargolf8: I love tofu. It’s smooth like your brain.
  • 1 4
 So with that logic, why don't riders not use the chairlifts and climb at bike parks instead? Lol.
  • 66 5
 I'm about as pro-ebike as one can really get before being a fanboy, think the tech is great and love seeing more people able to ride.

That said, to say the most innovative product of the year is one that will not fit into 99.99% of the lifestyles of cyclists is... really inept. Y'all massively missed the mark here.
  • 20 25
flag rrolly (Dec 27, 2022 at 8:03) (Below Threshold)
 I'm not pro or anti ebike, but ebikes are part of mtb and imo this is a significant jump in technology. I'd say it's deserving (not popular pb opinion though, I get it)
  • 11 2
 @rrolly: It's not though. It's a re-application of existing engineering to an e-bike motor. Harmonic drives, also known as strain-wave gearing have been around since the 50s. If anything, this product exemplifies how little innovation there has been around mountain bikes.

They've been selling $15k e-bikes using the most basic engineering for the longest time. This is like a step up into mediocrity.
  • 10 4
 My regular enduro loop is 5 miles and 1500 ft vertical, which takes me about 50 minutes on my regular mtb, with 5 minutes of fun downhill. I don't like those 50lbs e-bikes, they feel like mini dirtbikes. But if a 40lbs e-bike lets me do the loop twice in the same amount of time AND lets me remove the battery for rides with regular bikes or shuttle days, that would be pretty cool. I doubt that I'm just 0.01% of cyclists. And look at the other nominated innovations, they weren't really that spectacular, there just isn't that much innovation in regular bikes: slightly enhanced MIPS or a seat angle adjuster?
  • 55 12
 Gosh, and I remember when mopeds had small two-stroke motors. How far mopeds have come.
  • 3 14
flag pargolf8 (Dec 27, 2022 at 15:44) (Below Threshold)
 Boomer much??
  • 15 0
 @pargolf8: no, just not susceptible to marketing like you. What’s the difference between a two-stroke moped and an electric one? Marketing.
I guess I can call old 70/80s moped g-bikes bikes now. Or maybe p-bikes for our friends in the British isles.
  • 2 6
flag olafthemoose FL (Dec 28, 2022 at 9:24) (Below Threshold)
 @BikesBoatsNJeeps: lol. Sure, marketing and a throttle
  • 1 1
 @BikesBoatsNJeeps: Your are a marketers dream! A trifecta! All three items listed are lucrative, elective, recreational activities/industries heavily marketed to - Trade shows, Competition events, Festivals etc and all current forms of media advertising are used to sell them to the masses.

You yourself are even a marketer by advertising that you enjoy them and are passionate enough about them to deem them a user name.

All good - have fun out there!

But don't kid yourself, you are susceptible to marketing, Hook, Line, and Sinker.

I'd be thankful for marketing....without it your B,B,n J world would not be as much fun.

Also, ICE Mopeds of the 70's had throttles as do Electric Mopeds do now.. They have not come a long way by any means. They just use electricity now instead of gasoline. I owned a Motobecane....to thrash on a very small dirt track oval...

No Throttle, No Moped. Simple as that.
  • 39 10
 Matthew Fairbrother pedaled his enduro bike fueled by sugar between events in different countries and continents. Oh and you know, also raced. Remember the real innovation lies in motivation. The spirit of MTB doesn't need motors, we don't need motors.
  • 8 23
flag g-rock (Dec 27, 2022 at 9:58) (Below Threshold)
 He's a kid. I did that too when I was his age. I'm 59 now and ride an EXE.
  • 22 3
 @g-rock: no you didn't
  • 10 1
 @g-rock: no you didn’t
  • 6 9
 @topherdagopher: Not trying to take anything away from Matthew, I'm a fan, but I certainly ate tremendous amounts of candy (while riding) and rode my bike for hours/days/weeks on end. Just saying that it was easier when I was young. Now I need to watch my diet, drink a lot of water, take recovery days, and sometimes, but not always, I need a little help from my eBike.
  • 3 7
flag luckynugget (Dec 28, 2022 at 8:49) (Below Threshold)
 to me the "spirit" of mountain biking came from sending my DH bike and dirt jumper big growing up, I don't know why the boomers get so defensive about pedalling up hill. We only had real suspension bikes that can pedal uphill since around 2014, everything before that was just XC bikes or janky experiments that sucked. Everyone who is die-hard "earn your turns" is either talking about XC, or hasn't really rode bikes long enough to have an opinion I can take seriously.
  • 5 8
 Also I'm getting an E-bike this year to help me work on trails, that aspect of E-bikes isn't considered by all the bitchers because they have never done any trail work and think just pedalling uphill "earns their turns".
  • 3 1
 @luckynugget: 2014?!? lol the first specialized enduro and santa cruz nomads (2004 ish) disagree. We rode whistler on those things. Aside from your age and ignorance showing, I would actually agree most of the spirit of MTB is in the DH.
  • 4 7
 @luckynugget: seriously. I grew up pushing a dh bike around and pedaling it when the logging road was flat enough. I bet most people hating e bikes are old xc riders who wouldn’t even drop their saddle on the descents or people who started riding after the pushing days.
  • 1 3
 @map-guy: sounds great, but I'd rather DH bike. You can still feel really good about yourself for pedalling uphill and riding old xc bikes though nothing wrong with that
  • 23 0
 Well this isn’t going to be controversial.
  • 24 2
 It’s not April fools day already is it?
  • 15 1
 If you were gonna go full nuclear, might as well have picked fillmore. The meltdowns would be more hilarious.
  • 25 13
 Moped riders are not mountain bikers. Sorry.
  • 11 0
 I thought it was gonna be a little 3d printed weed pipe holder
  • 13 3
 Somehow, I keep getting redirected to Pinkebike.com. What’s going on with the web this a.m.?
  • 13 2
 Fail - subject totally off topic!
  • 15 5
 My product of the year is all the humans who mountain bike without a motor.
  • 12 3
 You're serious? A motor? I'm so confused.
  • 11 1
 Aenomaly got robbed.
  • 6 1
 Can it really be innovation of the year, if I buy it, and it won’t fit on any single mountain bike I or my friends own? Surely there should at least be some criteria for this. Especially considering e bike motors aren’t even swap-able between brands from what I understand
  • 5 1
 Friend of mine is still waiting on her warranty replacement TQ motor from it cutting out sporadically after shop diagnosis of faulty motor. Apparently it was awesome though when it was working 100%. Didn’t even realize it was an ebike at first. So Innovative, yes / Reliable, guess we’ll see in time. Who knows could be just one bad apple off the assembly line.
  • 7 0
 I wish they picked the fillmore just to break the comment section. Onawalk would have had a stroke..
  • 3 0
 Unit cost: ¢12?
  • 3 2
 76projects valves are lighter, better, and cheaper. Fillmore vavles, like all Santa Cruz products, are mediocre and overpriced.
  • 3 0
 @wburnes: Doesn't look like 76 are using any different technology than other tubeless valves?

The Fillmores are probably double the cost of what is reasonable, but they are innovative and work mint.
  • 10 5
 You know, some of us mountain bikers like to ride mountain bikes because we want to take a break from the stupid world of motors and just use our legs to have fun for once.
  • 8 5
 How does this prevent you from continuing to do that?
  • 6 2
 I'm all for E bikes, have several but this is not an innovation for the bike. If it can't go on a regular bicycle it's not a bicycle part but more of an infrastructure.
  • 8 1
  • 6 0
 So, Surfing magazine’s innovation of the year will be a jet ski?
  • 13 9
 1.8kg for the motor is amazing. Hopefully next years innovation of the year is a super light battery.
  • 15 14
 This motor strapped to a super enduro or DH bike is going to make for some epic self shuttling. Pair that with the option of a small easily swappable battery low down in the frame so you carry the minimum possible extra weight on the descents and happy days, no uplift van required!
  • 11 5
  • 4 1
 In 5 years time the MTB innovation of the year will be a VR headset, handle bar peripheral and new version of Downhill Domination.
  • 6 6
 To the new eMTBer..... You learn a lot of skills putting in the work. Your ebike may now get you up a lot faster and easier, but it's not going to help you navigate down. When you crash because you were going too fast on your new toy, you might just appreciate that the old way is still the best way to learn.
  • 2 4
 that's why 29'ers aren't helping them either. I learned on DH bikes and dirt jumpers before enduro bikes existed. You couldn't pedal uphill on a bike that pinned the way back down because they didn't exist yet. I guess I didn't actually learn to ride bikes because I didn't have my seat jammed up my ass yet. Getting cocky about pedalling uphill is for people who have zero actual bike handling skills so they focus on fitness instead.
  • 2 1
 @luckynugget: Getting cocky about being unable to pin an old school trailbike downhill with your seat jammed up your ass is for people who have zero actual bike handling skills so they used dh bikes as a crutch instead.
  • 2 3
 @thegoodflow: Or just ride whatever the f*ck you want and let others do the same. I guess I wasn't riding lame enough shit to make an old 2009 trail bike worth it, we had these things called jumps and hucks back then
  • 2 1
 @luckynugget: haha, this guy needs a dh bike to do these things called "jumps". Yeah, trail riding was so lame back in 2009 before mopeds were invented.
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 @thegoodflow: Not all jumps are the little jay hoots style pumptrack asphalt things you build. I'm sorry your mtn bike experience is based on sketchy ancient xc bikes and thinking everyone should be pedalling uphill for every ride. I rather just ride whatever I find fun and think people should do the same, I don't care if it has a motor or not. If an Ebike helps me carry saws and shovels up a trail that's great, you can keep carrying your asphalt spreader to the parking lot on your 04 enduro that's cool too you're right everyone should be doing the same thing as you and thinking they are God for it
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 @luckynugget: lol, weirdo
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 Yet another reason why I spend less and less time on this deteriorating site. Fun and core interest being diluted with commercial agenda. Such is “progress”.
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 For the weak.
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 Wow. This is so fucking dumb
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 As a shop mechanic. When mr ebike walks in and says “I had to pedal the f*cking thing all the way home!” You kinda get who these machines are for.
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 Oh boy, here we go
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 nice bit of tech.
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 Seb fell off the end of the tech bus, but Brian and the editorial team aren't tired of the comment section yet so they did this to see what would happen.
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 Fukn lame that's no innovation those motors have been around for some time in ..it's a fukn motor you tards .. doesn't belong on a bicycle!!!
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 Better to have a massive removable battery so you can pin it going uphill and then remove it to lighten the bike going downhill. You can carry the battery on your body by using one those bags with straps.
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 Thats the worst idea I've heard in a while. Why would you want to do that?
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 @wburnes: lighter bike handles better going downhill
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 @kingbike2: not really tho
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 @wburnes: a 40 pound ebike is going to handle better than 50 pound ebike, this is indisputable and easily proven.
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 Thought I'd drop this here for folks to argue about, per Merriam-Webster:
bi·​cy·​cle ˈbī-si-kəl -ˌsi-, also -ˌsī-
: a vehicle with two wheels tandem, handlebars for steering, a saddle seat, and pedals by which it is propelled
also : a stationary exercise machine that resembles such a vehicle
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 Also, per Merriam Webster:

mo·​ped ˈmō-ˌped
: a lightweight, low-powered motorbike that can be pedaled

That seems pretty cut and dry to me. "E-bikes" are mopeds, not bicycles, Honestly the lamest thing about "e-bikers" is that they call it mountain biking instead of just owning it... you love your new electric moped, and sometimes you like to take it on mountain bike trails... it's ok to say it out loud... I think we'd all appreciate the honesty.
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 Just to get nit picky here, but then a trials bike is not a bicycle? Has no saddle…
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 @yourrealdad: correct. Technically, a trials bike is a skateboard
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 Booooooooo stop that crap and make regular bikes light again
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 going for the most comments post?
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 Very cool Smile .
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 Nebraska gets no opinion ever
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 @pargolf8: Fair enough lol
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 Let's be honest, with how fat and lazy everyone is getting, these motors are the only thing that will keep mountain biking alive into the future.
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 Crybabies unite! I'm so glad that the pinkbike comment section gets to define what is a mtb and what isn't. This is a timeless argument but replace e-bikes with any innovation... front suspension is cheating, rear suspension is cheating, taking a chairlift is cheating. There's no such thing as cheating at a recreational activity; just having fun. Keep the classes to racing where finish times matter and enjoy the trails together.
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 Hey let’s all debate this again. It’s great. You can Change the wrapper all you want but your message that is a turd still sound like shit.
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 I can't even...
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 Pinkybike magazine…its a joke, right?
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 Most of you are completely wrong about ebikes! Innovation is innovation. Love this! can't wait to ride one of these types of motors!
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 250 watts is very small !! almost symbolic Smile
A motocross is 40 kW (250 x 160 !!) But it is rape and very difficult.
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 C1 people
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 I'll grab my pop corn and watch for a while ;-)
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 I don't hate electric bikes and I wonder about these whiners. Moped, has a motor, not fit to pedal...etc. And at the same time, most of them use a lift, shuttle or a pickup to get up to the top of the mountain.
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 I don't hate ebikes either. But that doesn't mean they're mountain bikes.
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 Using a shuttle or lift once in a while doesn’t wipe out thousands of miles a year pedaled without assist. You’re conflating things and looking for excuses. Think about that next time you see an e-biker driving their e-bike to the local trailhead.
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flag wburnes FL (Dec 27, 2022 at 8:07) (Below Threshold)
 @topherdagopher: isn't a DH bike ultimately no different than an e-bike?
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 @wburnes: if I coast downhill on a dirt bike with the motor turned off, it doesn't magically become a mountain bike. Vehicles are defined by the features they have. Dirt bikes have motors. Ebikes have motors. Mountain bikes, including downhill bikes, don't have motors.

All 3 are fun. All 3 are different.
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 @toast2266: Yeah it does.
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 @topherdagopher: There are a lot guys that log way more miles at the bike park and shuttling than pedaling rides. But regardless, I don't see a difference between chairlift, shuttle, or ebike because they all are assistance to get to the top so you can ride down. This is coming from a rider that has logged tens of thousands of miles on an analog mountain bike and only 75 miles on an e-mountain bike.
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 @tacklingdummy: you're confusing differences in the equipment with differences in the use. I *can* use a mountain bike in a way that doesn't require me to pedal, and I *can* use an ebike in a way that doesn't use the motor. And maybe those use cases become analogous. But that doesn't mean the equipment is the same.
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 @toast2266: That is a strawman argument.
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 @tacklingdummy: when you get to the top of the escalator, do you turn to the guy that took the stairs and say "we are exactly the same"?
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flag tacklingdummy (Dec 27, 2022 at 22:53) (Below Threshold)
 @toast2266: Your analogies are way out. Lol. Nice try though.
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 @toast2266: Hmm, so a guy walking up the escalator and a guy walking up the stairs...that is actually a bang on analogy.

Now imagine the escalator guy plonking on about how he got a better workout at the top lol.
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 @DirkMcClerkin: So a guy going up a chairlift, a guy going up a shuttle, and guy who rode an ebike up to the same place.

Imagine how the chairlift guy and the shuttle guy saying they got a better workout than the ebike guy.

Ebikes do burn a lot of calories like walking and much more depending on the power level used and duration of the ride.

Why do think people in Japan are all so slim? Most walk a lot because they don't own cars. The US would be less obese if they walked as much as Japanese.
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 @tacklingdummy: probably because of lower fat diet and working 12 hour days , 6 days a week.
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 @kingbike2: Vast majority have desk jobs. It is mostly the exercise. They walk a lot. The food is healthier though. I have spent a lot of time in Japan because I'm half Japanese. I was logging 10 to 15 miles walking some days. One day I walked 20 miles. Lol.
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 @tacklingdummy: Yes !! It’s a very fun new sport, up and down :Smile
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