Race Face's New 12-Speed Steel Chainring is Only $20

Mar 1, 2021 at 4:25
by Seb Stott  

Race Face has announced its first steel chainring designed for Shimano 12-speed chains and their own CINCH direct-mount cranks, which costs just $19.99 USD ($26.99 CAD). If you've had to fork out for a new chainring recently you'll be aware that's a lot less than you can pay. For context, Race Face's equivalent Shimano 12-speed chainring made from 7075 Aluminum costs $79.99 USD - four times the price.

Obviously, there is a weight penalty for the steel option. According to Race Face, the new steel ring weighs 154g for a 32t, while the aluminum equivalent weighs 65g. That's an 89g penalty for a $60 saving - about 1.5 grams per dollar. If that sounds like a good deal to you, dollar bills weigh about one gram, so that's almost the same weight-to-cost ratio as a stack of dollar bills.

Race Face CINCH DM SHI 12 Details

• Heat-treated chromoly steel for wear resistance
• Cold formed and stamped, which is claimed to reduce material waste compared to CNC machining.
• Narrow-wide tooth profile optimized for Shimano 12-speed chains
• Easy to swap out for alloy Cinch chainrings
• Sizes available: 30t, 32t, 34t
• Claimed weight: 154g (32t)
• Price: $19.99 USD / $26.99 CAD
raceface.com
Additionally, the chromoly steel chainring should last longer than aluminum, so could save you even more money in the long run. If you don't have a Shimano 12-speed chain, Race Face already makes a steel narrow-wide chainring for non-Shimano 12-speed chains.




163 Comments

  • 284 2
 Steel - long lasting, a bit heavier, money in the pocket - that's the way Race Face! Smile
  • 41 41
 Love the idea but they're playing catch up to Sram who have had a toughened steel narrow wide chain ring selling for $15 for a few years now. You can buy it as a 4 bolt or as a direct mount. Mine's going strong with little wear after 2 years of use.
  • 64 5
 @landscapeben: SRAM has had a Shimano 12 speed compatible steel chainring for a few years?

RF has long has a steel cinch narrow wide chainring. This one is just the first that's compatible with Shimano 12 speed.
  • 6 5
 @snokarver: Ahh gotcha, no Sram BCD is wrong for shimano unfortunately, I had to 'doctor' my saint cranks to make it fit.
  • 12 7
 @snokarver: I am a bit perplexed with the "first that's compatible with Shimano 12 speed" comment.

If you are referring to mounting, this looks like this does not fit on Shimano cranks- it is designed for RF Cinch mount cranks. RF advertises "optimized" for Shimano 12 speed chains, but unless I missed something, Shimano & SRAM 12 speed chainrings are cross compatible.
  • 11 0
 @ninjatarian: Yes you missed that the chains aren't cross 100% compatible.
  • 14 0
 @ninjatarian: As far as I know, the new shimano 12 speed stuff uses a different internal profile than a SRAM 12 speed chain, so a "normal" narrow-wide ring doesn't work right.

I won't pretend to know any details, but Wolf Tooth has a handy illustration at the bottom of their chainring pages

www.wolftoothcomponents.com/products/direct-mount-chainrings-for-shimano-cranks?_pos=8&_sid=84f4d6c0e&_ss=r
  • 2 1
 @BlackVR: Ah, so I did miss something. I actually run an Absolute Black oval w/ Shimano 12 speed, but never realized that it actually has a different tooth profile. Good to know.
  • 4 0
 @ninjatarian: Yeah, it has both cinch and regular. They just happen to have the cinch photo...

I'll never go with Shimano or SRAM for cranks. I have a RF with cinch and it is just as easy as can be. I must have missed the announcement for the steel cheapies. I'll be buying some of those for next Winter.
  • 4 3
 It's not a bit heavier. It's alot heavier. The 11 speed steel ring is 158g The 11 speed alloy ring is 33g
  • 5 3
 @DGWW: better pour 125ml out of your water bottle because it's a lot heavier with it than without Wink
  • 4 8
flag mitcht (Mar 4, 2021 at 10:27) (Below Threshold)
 There's no real claims on how long this chainring will last compared to Aluminum. They should be selling it based on price rather than durability claims... It all depends on the quality of steel used.... A blanket statement of it being more durable than aluminum is simply incorrect.
  • 5 2
 @mitcht: It says that it's chromoly. Assuming the most commonly used generic 4130 alloy, it has a hardness and yield strength about twice that of your typical durable aluminum alloy, 6061-t6.
  • 3 3
 @LowBuckCanuck: They don’t state what grade of Steel is used. And their aluminum rings are 7075 not 6061 aluminum with is a harder/longer lasting variety. The main reason to go aluminum other than weight is the inherent advantage to better shape the tooth profiles via machining. You cannot achieve the same result with a forged steel, let alone with an apparent harder product. My money is on it being a cheap product that won’t outlast their aluminum rings.
  • 3 0
 @mitcht: alloy rings last 1 year for me. My woolftooth stainless steel has gone for 2 years now,without signs of wear. I'll put on my new RF cranks with steel ring soon,no doubt a heat treated cromoly will last longer than alloy. I'm not a weight weenie
  • 1 0
 @LowBuckCanuck: I guess you're riding a chromoly frame, steel cranks ?
  • 58 12
 Make it oval, keep the price.
  • 2 2
 Does anyone make steel oval NW rings at the moment?

I find they lose a lot of their chain retention ability when they've been used for a few thousand kilometres.
  • 10 0
 Wolftooth make stainless ones. @n734535:
  • 48 2
 It's steel, bend it.
  • 12 2
 People still run those? They where a must have about 5 years ago, can't say I've seen one in the last 2 or 3 years. Could be a local thing though. Still have 3 B Labs, brand new, lying about the place collecting dust...
  • 3 4
 @NinetySixBikes: With 1x drivetrains comprising a huge share of the market and eliminating the biggest drawback of oval rings - their atrocious shifting performance - I think we'll see them make a comeback. They've been picked up by a bunch of major brands so they're already very accessible to the masses too.
  • 4 0
 @NinetySixBikes: I think oval is the most popular on my local trails but I think that's just people copying each other.
  • 1 0
 @n734535: Shimano makes one at the SLX level. I've run one (on a pair of XT cranks) for a fair bit on a hardtail, and it's absolutely fine. Comes in at 25 Euros: www.bike-discount.de/en/shimano-slx-11-speed-chainring-sm-crm70-32t-for-fc-m7000-1?
  • 2 1
 @NinetySixBikes: Same here - but only because Shimano changed the bolt pattern and I had to buy boost cranks. Otherwise I'd still be using them.
  • 2 1
 @zeusdreadbeard: agreed. went the oval route once. regretted it....you just never know the power modulation with a trackstand or techy climb move...might spin out. might not.
  • 2 0
 @heinous: What annoys me is Wolftooth makes Shimano 12 speed compatible stainless steel rings for SRAM and Cane Creek cranks, but not for the actual Shimano cranks. Grrrr.
  • 1 0
 @heinous: Actually I'm wrong--they don't make any stainless rings that are Shimano 12 speed compatible. Wish they would, though! I've been running a stainless ring for a couple of years--barely shows rare. A hell of a lot more expensive than the RF rings, though!
  • 1 0
 @NinetySixBikes: hoeveel tandjes?
  • 1 0
 Not everyone likes oval, I do. But I am on Sram with a RF Turbine so this doesn't apply to me.
  • 1 0
 @fullfacemike: Nobody really wants a wombly chainring, do they?
  • 35 0
 That’s a steal.
  • 32 0
 A steel?
  • 4 0
 For real
  • 6 0
 @Trudeez: A style (Say it in french)
  • 1 2
 Steel is still a steal.
  • 46 0
 Good to see an affordable option ferrous cheapskates.
  • 1 0
 @kerosen1:

Steel?
  • 11 0
 Stihl makes chainrings?
  • 3 15
flag jclnv (Mar 4, 2021 at 6:56) (Below Threshold)
 It’s Raceface. Not matter what it costs it’s overpriced. If it isn’t crap it’s average at best like their bars and stems. Hubs, cranks, BB’s etc are total shite.
  • 1 1
 @seb-stott: now let's see the 40 USD cranks, then we can say it is a bargain.
  • 3 0
 @jclnv: yeah because I often find myself riding down a mountain and saying to myself, “this stem’s performance is average at best”..... oh wait.
  • 1 2
 @TypicalCanadian: I do but then I don’t like paying more for a heavy catalog stem because it says ‘Raceface’ on it.
  • 1 0
 @jclnv: What is your alternative solution here?
  • 2 3
 @trainboy17: Syntace? 40g lighter, ti hardware that doesn’t rust to shit. Etc. And this is just stems. Cranks and hubs are utter shitness.
  • 8 0
 Now if only RF offered a 6mm offset! I know you're supposed to tweak your chailine using a different spindle but for my non-boost 12s Shimano with SixC the options are pretty limited and my current ring wears like crazy. If only there were more options for Oval non-boost HG+ ring options for us weirdos.
  • 2 4
 Without the 6mm option it's kinda pointless...
  • 12 1
 @MantaHai: They have plenty of points. 30, 32 and 34, respectively.
  • 1 0
 @MrDuck I looked into chainring options a lot today for my first Boost bike build. So much going on with offsets, chainlines, Boost vs non-Boost. Wolftooth is your answer. Pricey but nice stuff and they have all options. Go with their CAMO system if you want steel teeth. OneUp Switch has choices for offset too but no steel.

Personally I get 2-3 years from alu chainrings which is fine for me but I rarely ride in rain/slop, keep 2 or 3 chains in rotation and my season is March-October. I'm coming up for two years on my Works Components oval ring which was cheap and feels no different to my previous Wolftooth. Doesn't look like they have much stock right now though.
  • 1 0
 @Lornholio: Thanks for sharing your research! I'd love the Camo steel, but I don't see a HG+ compatible steel ring there. Their non boost Cinch carrier is available but the canadian distributor shows no rings for it at all (@WolfToothComponents oi can we look into that!) so even the AL option is out, otherwise that'd be my hottest candidate. I just put a Blackspire in the cart and see how that goes when it shows up - seems to be the only one actually available and is nice and local too.
I used to get 2 seasons average out of a chainring but the current one I run is a matter of a month or two in the current conditions here.
  • 10 0
 Why would anybody want to make chainrings out of aluminium.
  • 17 0
 It's lighter, wear faster, they sell more.
  • 2 1
 I’m guessing aluminum gives more control over production by machining it instead of stamping or casting out of steel?
  • 9 0
 Weight is the biggest one. This steel ring is almost 100g more than the alu version. Quarter pound is a quarter pound. Lots of weight weenies out there.
  • 1 0
 @covekid: you could save a lot if you mashine it too
  • 3 0
 They don't rust and are easy to recycle and make from recycled beer cans, ya hoser.
  • 7 0
 Race Face hands down, always has been my go to. this will never change. Turbine cranks are all you will ever need, and probably have the best value no questions.
  • 1 0
 30mm spindle is a bit of a pain tho
  • 6 2
 The weight penalty would be negligible if it would be a spider mount as with my older SRAM crankset. Whats the benefit of direct mount anyways? These days brake discs get aluminum spiders but chainrings don't.
  • 6 1
 with smaller rings becoming popular direct mount makes way more sense, also less parts to work lose an weight savings
  • 6 0
 Wolftooth do an alu carrier and stainless ring. not cheap but they look good.
  • 7 0
 Shimano's 12s XT and SLX chainrings have aluminum carriers and steel teeth.
  • 2 0
 @Mesmomesmo: 11s XT does as well.
  • 1 0
 I have got an old xo1 crankset with spider, dropping the spider an adding a 28 t steeldirectmount actually saves a few grams.
  • 1 0
 Seems like a good place to ask... what's everyone's experience using various brands' chainrings which are marked as "optimised for Shimano 12 speed chains" on an 11 speed setup? I'm buying parts for a new bike build now and planning to run XT 12 speed cranks with the rest of the drivetrain 11 speed (most likely a KMC chain). Fine, not ideal but useable, or problematic?
  • 2 1
 Fine. No FD so it just needs to pull properly. no shifting. (RF alu chainring on a M9100 geartrain)
  • 2 0
 @Mazador: That sounds like the opposite setup than what I asked about.
  • 1 0
 Wolf Tooth sells a slightly different N/W pattern for 12s, but claims it'll work with 11s. The 12s chain is slightly narrower overall, so I'd guess that the 11s chain should ride alright on the 12s ring, but maybe have less than optimal retention?
  • 2 0
 I'm running basically that set up with 12 spd XT cranks, 12 spd ring, XT 11 spd cassette and shimano 11 spd chain. Being a cheapskate I didnt want to buy a whole new drivetrain, so I mixed it with some 12 spd stuff. Anyway, it's worked fine for me. Not as sharp as my friends full12 spd XTR setup, but it's more than functional for me and I haven't dropped a chain yet (I do run a OneUp chainguide tho).
  • 1 0
 I use a shimano ring with a 12s kmc chain. No issues at all
  • 1 0
 @jackalope: Thanks, good to know.
  • 1 0
 @Lornholio: Well damn, being old has its drawbacks apparently - I meant to say I'm running a 12 spd Shimano chain. So I have an 11 spd shifter, derailleur and cassette paired with 12 spd cranks, chain and chain ring. Anyway, its firmly in the "fine" category IMO, and it might be even better if I wasn't running a 46 tooth big cog cassette, as the spacing on those kinda sucks (namely with the biggest 2 cogs). Apologies for the confusion!
  • 1 0
 XT 12 ring w/ XT 11spd chain here. Ring explodes rollers under hard efforts. Probable premature ring wear. Not recommended
  • 1 0
 @jackalope: Thanks for clarifying that (Shimano 12 speed chain & chainring with 11 speed cassette/derailleur/shifter). Makes sense, and I'll keep that in mind as an option. I have heard of people needing to switch to a SRAM 12spd quicklink when using a 12 speed chain with 11 speed chainring (ie. the opposite scenario from what I'm considering) so if you ever have problems with the 12 speed chain and 11 speed cassette working together that's maybe something to try.

@ceecee: Good to know your experience also. Guess I'll just need to try it. But will avoid Shimano 12 speed chainring with 11 speed chain.

I want to stick with an oval ring anyway so will buy my cranks without chainring and shop for an aftermarket oval. I looked a little more into chainrings today and seems like Shimano says "12 speed chain only" for their 12 speed chainrings (echoing @ceecee 's problem above), as does AbsoluteBlack. Wolftooth sells two tooth profiles: "12 speed only" and "9/10/11 speed", either as normal chainrings or their CAMO spider system. OneUp say "9/10//11spd and SRAM 12 speed" for their older Switch rings and "9/10/11/12spd including Shimano" for their newer ones. And Garbaruk say that they're compatible with everything including Shimano 12 speed. I'm going to start with an 11 speed chain anyway. OneUp kind of makes the most sense right now - a little more expensive but it's a flexible system for switching to other sizes and tooth profiles. Might come down to availability like everything else at the moment.
  • 1 0
 The first N/W steel ring from Raceface came with my 1x12 Shimano equipped bike and it worked great.
I recently got an oval from Garbaruk and got the version with the "wrong" teeth first. It worked, but I sent it back, because I realized my mistake and got the one with the correct teeth pattern, and it does look like it works better.
  • 3 0
 Just ordered one yesterday to go with my new Aeffect Rs. I cant tell you how stoked I was to find a $20 NW ring. Thanks raceface for offering a good value product.
  • 1 0
 I am putting together a gravel bike with a Shimano 12 speed drivetrain. I wanted to use RF cranks and chainring, but the largest 12 speed chainring they have is a 34 Tooth. So I went with Shimano XT with a 36 tooth chainring. While RF is catering to the mountain bike masses, they should make a 36 tooth ring to appeal to gravel cyclists or even strong cross country cyclists.
  • 3 0
 Check out Garbaruk, not the cheapest but good quality, light and many colors. I run 36t on my trail bike, would run 38t if I could
  • 1 0
 If you use 11 speed road shifters Wolftooth makes an adapter to run a mountain bike rear derailleur. I have Raceface cracks with a 46 tooth Easton chainring matched to a 11-46 xt cassette.
  • 1 0
 I'm a long-time user of steel chainrings for their lower cost, improved durability during poorly executed stunts, and negligible weight penalty. I'd be interested to try out a steel oval chainring if there were any options! (looking at you, bike industry!)
  • 4 0
 have the 11v version, running smootlhy since early 2018, well done RF
  • 2 0
 Me too. About 3500 miles in and still going strong.
  • 11 8
 Maxing out at 34t... This era of mountain biking will be known as 'noodle legs'
  • 5 6
 It’s cause steel is heavier. You don’t need to step up to 36. I have a steel 32, my legs look like I’m pushing a 38
  • 13 0
 *cries in 30t*
  • 5 0
 and lets not forget ebikes
  • 11 0
 34 t-10t on a 29er is plenty -only xc pros need more but i doubt they will run a steel chainring.
  • 26 1
 Sounds like you need bigger climbs.
  • 4 0
 A lot of bikes don’t have clearance for a 36T oval so probably not much demand.
  • 2 0
 with 36 and more teeth there's no real necessity for steel and aluminum alloy is fine with some durability and very light.
Below 34T durability is an issue and steel shines back again even if it triples the weight.
I've a 28T with 42 in the rear :-) 58kg noodle legs, so you're right.
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  • 1 0
 I confess - 28t on 11-42. On the flip side, it allowed me to finish Swiss Epic on my 160mm so I don’t feel bad about it.
  • 3 0
 I used their 11speed steel ring with shimano 12 all last year with zero issues..
  • 4 0
 Give me steel give me fire give me that wich i desire oooooh
  • 4 0
 Hard, cheap, long lasting that's what i wanna hear.
  • 3 0
 User name checks out.
  • 1 0
 Using the old design, great product, can't justify the extra dosh on bling and 70grm less! For the value of one aluminium one, could buy 2...28t, 32t . Originally came with 30. Covers all terrain I ride
  • 1 0
 2nd the aggravation of cinch and no 6mm offset. Climbing chainline sucks. Not eager to drop 80 bucks on wolftooth as nice as they are. Steel chainring is like a bash guard, and cheapn tough= good...
  • 1 0
 Which centerlock chainrings fit which cranks? Does RF fit with shimano? sram looks totally different... Is there any "standard"?
  • 48 1
 Oh buddy... This is the bike industry.
  • 1 1
 @fullfacemike: well, usually smaller brands have to stick to some sort of "Standard". Cane Creek fits sram, as far as I know. Has shimano "developed" their own centerlock?
  • 4 0
 Real answer: no, everyone developed their own direct mount chainring standard. Some aftermarket manufacturers are licensed to make more than one type but they aren't interchangeable. An easy way around it can be to get a direct mount spider and mount a standard ring of your choosing but it can limit your "currentness" since everyone is moving to DM rings and support for chainrings that use bolts is waning.
  • 2 0
 @fullfacemike: luckily I don't need to change my chainring too often. Yet these days availability of parts is a significant decisive factor for buying a product. A larger variety of producers / one prevalent standard increases the chance of getting replacement parts.
  • 2 0
 dein Wort in Gottes Ohr LOL
  • 1 0
 @tofhami: You're right that a lot of smaller brands use the SRAM three-bolt system. Maybe they're the most willing to license? Regardless, that's about as close as we've got to a standard right now. Considering that within the last few years every major player in the industry devised their own wacky asymmetric bolt circle pattern and now they're all jumping ship as fast as possible to devise their own wacky direct mount system I'd say set your expectations low and then you won't be disappointed.
  • 1 1
 @fullfacemike: I only saw and used two of them. SRAM and RF and I think SRAM is superior to RF because of the standard tools you need. I even had problems with the RF crank bolt because no one in the EU uses those standards. Even the bike park mechanics don't have that when they are not a distributor also.
  • 3 0
 What kind of frame do you think it is in the picture?
  • 14 0
 A green one
  • 3 0
 Could be a Norco Torrent
  • 1 0
 I'd have guessed norco but the chainstay construction and that seat tube bend doesn't look anything like their current bikes. New model? Or some other british steel hardtail?
  • 1 0
 Norco Torrent. I have one.
  • 7 0
 You'll have to print it out if you want to put it in a frame... I'm here all week.
  • 1 0
 @seb-stott: got you're marching orders already? I thought it was only Madison who said their farewells so early...
  • 2 0
 Yeah its a 2021 Norco Torrent steel frame!
  • 2 0
 @A-HIGHLY-EDUCATED-PROFESSIONAL: My bad, I was viewing the local website and it's not available on there (yet?)
  • 3 0
 Can't think of a sexier crank than the turbine
  • 4 1
 Cane Creek eeWings come to mind lol.
  • 1 0
 Profile Racing, Cook Bros dog bones, Syncros steel from around 2000 WERE HAWT.
  • 2 0
 hell yeah. take back everything bad I've ever said about you Race Face. Make every bolt pattern and interface that exists.
  • 1 0
 SRAM started making a steel chainring a long time ago. You can get one for 15 bucks. They do make a little more noise though. Perhaps the Race Face one is more quiet.
  • 3 0
 As did RF, you can find those here:

www.raceface.com/products/1x-chainring-cinch-direct-mount-nw-steel

The one above is for Shimano 12spd Chains which have a different inner plate profile thus the need for a different ring / tooth
  • 1 0
 @OTBSteve: True. The existing ones are not for 12-Speed.
  • 2 0
 @tacklingdummy: The existing rings in the link above work for SRAM 12/11/10spd, SHIMANO 11/10spd, They just don't work for Shimano 12spd. thus the new ring.
  • 1 0
 This is important for all those trail bikes without both lower ISCG05 mounts that are ridden in technical terrain. Looking at you, stumpjumper.
  • 1 0
 I'm still interested in getting a bike this year with an SLX 10-45 cassette and a 26t round or 28t oval chainring. This product is only offered in 30, 32, 34. Too bad.
  • 1 0
 You won't be able to get a bike this year anyway! Ha!
  • 4 1
 So is SRAM , eh?
  • 4 2
 SRAM has their own steel chainrings
  • 2 1
 @megatryn: for Raceface cranks?
  • 1 0
 @ferenooo: For SRAM.
  • 5 3
 Delicious. Finally some good fucking prices.
  • 1 0
 Great news, and adding weight around the BB isn't that much of an issue is it?
  • 1 0
 Asking for enlightenment: What's the difference of a 12 spd Shimano chain to the one from other brands?
  • 3 0
 Longer inner plates that need a different wide tooth with a more pronounced cutout on the edges.
  • 1 0
 What's that chain? I didn't know Shimano was making black chains, especially for the 12 speed stuff.
  • 2 0
 4 bolt pattern would be major
  • 2 1
 Bummer no 28T. Not all of us have bought into running 8" cassettes out back.
  • 2 0
 If you are not running Shimano 12spd, RF has been making another Steel Narrow Wide ring for several year in 28/30/32T

www.raceface.com/products/1x-chainring-cinch-direct-mount-nw-steel
  • 1 0
 @OTBSteve: Already running it! Just thought someday I might have to upgrade, and having a hard time with the idea of parting ways with my trusty high-clearance 28t!
  • 1 0
 I want a steel chainring for Shimano cranks. I always ran the RF steel cinch ones on my RF crank-equipped bikes.
  • 1 0
 Hold up, that ain't quite right. My bike came with the first steel chainring and has a Shimano 1x12 setup.
  • 1 0
 Ive switched to steel on my bikes. When i ran 30t on 11 speed i was going thru 2 aluminum rings a summer.
  • 2 0
 That’s wassup
  • 1 2
 Haven’t had as good of luck since race face went to cinch. God damn preload ring goes and then the whole
Thing is falling apart.
  • 2 0
 man sizes plez
  • 4 1
 Yeah I'd be looking for a 28 tooth as well...
  • 2 0
 @ksilvey10:
If you are not running Shimano 12spd, RF has been making another Steel Narrow Wide ring for several year in 28/30/32T

www.raceface.com/products/1x-chainring-cinch-direct-mount-nw-steel
  • 2 0
 Bargain. End
  • 1 0
 Announced is fun but when can we actually buy one...
  • 4 0
 It is available to order now though our website (raceface.com ) or through your local RF dealer!
  • 1 0
 They're in stock at Q, which I feel like I never get to say anymore.
  • 1 0
 @raceface: Is it true that the booming emtb industry brought about this product?
  • 1 0
 @bctrailblazer68: on eMTB's the ring mounts to the motor with different spline and offset, this ring would not fit
  • 1 0
 I thought everyone are using aliexpress chainrings!!
  • 2 0
 We need oval and 28tooth
  • 1 0
 What's a dollar bill? Asking in Canadian.
  • 1 0
 AWESOME!!! =] ---> But oval chainrings please... O.O
  • 1 0
 stamped pot metal chainrings. we're entering Mad Max era or what.
  • 1 2
 10EUR for a 1X chainring on Ali, alloy 7075 though fr.aliexpress.com/item/4000295491055.html
  • 1 0
 This is the way
  • 1 0
 Looks pretty good too!

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