More Tech Randoms: EWS Tweed Valley 2022

 I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that as soon as I read it

 or recycle road inner tubes. i take a lot of pride in wrapping my chain stay.

 While it is just fine to wrap the chain stay in what ever you can find let's not pretend that these factory rubber covers fall off or are low quality in any way. They have significantly reduced chain noise and damage since companies starting using them and they blow tape out of the water.

 @warmerdamj: they could find an alternative if that is really the thing holding them up. You can buy the padded material with adhesive backing for 10 dollars all over the web. Get on it and get customers on bikes.

 @tprojosh: To be honest though, they said drivetrain parts too. So if they are waiting for Sram to get their shit together they might as well wait for the protectors they designed.

 Some folks like nice bikes and building quality all the way through..see F250’s dash compared to the GMC dashes for example. Hope has always been about quality, why stop short of that standard for faster sales?

 @abueno: especially since most of if not all these bikes are likely sold already anyway to people expecting to wait that have final product expectations.

 @tprojosh: yea I want some $10 wrap on my $4k frame…

 Na, keep it old school. Just wrap an old DH tube around it, throw on a couple of zip ties, and call it good!!!

 @abueno: you bought a gmc because of the wood inlaid dash?

 You do something like this on a boutique bike and customers will complain about the cheap mastic tape on their $10k bike.

 it would be pretty easy for them to 3d print something in-house with TPU material.

 @b-rat: so easy in fact, why on earth didn’t they do that before,
Jeez Hope, I “hope” you’re here in the comments section listening to punters who don’t run a bike company, explain to you, how to run yours….

 @pisgahgnar:

 As someone who has a 916 frameset on order...I'm happy to wait on the right chainstay cover before I get it.

 @takeiteasyridehard: no, I don’t have either of those vehicles, just an example.

 @pisgahgnar: as someone who also speaks Polish, your statement has another level of shitness added to it, as SRAM means "I shit" in Polish :-)

 @tprojosh:
Slapper tape works just fine.

 @rstwosix: VHS for the win

 @abueno: Lol comparing GMC and Ford is like comparing Sram and Shimano. They both do the same thing and neither person is wrong (and if I had the choice I wouldn't buy either of their current offerings)

 Why can't Hope just CNC some nice metal chain protection instead? They could do it in anodised colours and charge an extra £150.

 that's what she said.

 I mean both Evil and Knolly manage lots of pivots just fine.

 @f*ckingsteve: It's only one more pivot than most bikes.

 @islandforlife: My Orange disagrees.

 @ratedgg13: Evils are 4 bar linkages and have the same number of bearings as 95% of the bikes out there.

 @f*ckingsteve: considering the trail feel on those protos is amazing and following one through the chunk I can say for sure that each pivot is well worth it, that bike shreds!

 @f*ckingsteve: Calling out Pole for too many pivots in the same article as the polygon.

 @Loche: Yep, I was surprised when I actually counted them. At first glance it really does look like they have so many pivots.

 If you're having bearing problems I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but a linkage ain't one.

 @MTBrent: Orange is going full pivots! www.pinkbike.com/news/the-orange-switch-7-has-a-linkage-sea-otter-2022.html

 @islandforlife: But some are hidden, so those never need to be serviced, right? Right??

 @Loche: Evil's design is single pivot; all the linkage does is drive the shock.

 Except for the maintenance on it

 @boozed: So are Forbidden, Kona, Trek, Devinci and many more. Still are 4 bar linkages.

 The polygon prototype is a 6 bar, with 3 more pivots than a 4 bar (like vpp, dw, horst, etc): the pivot on the seatstay near the axle, and the two pivots for the rocker link

 @Loche: That's... not how that works.

@hamncheez: Wouldn't it need the "near axle pivot" to be in the chainstay to be a true 6-bar?

 @boozed: so that's debatable. Is a Kona a 4 bar? It has four "bars". Some call that arrangement a "faux bar".


Also, technically, since there is a pivot on each side, this design potentially has 6 more pivots or bearings than say a VPP or DW.

 @hamncheez: True four-bar designs use an articulated chainstay, i.e. an additional pivot between the frame pivot and the axle, while true six-bar designs have two. This is why I don't think the new Polygon design is a true six-bar, rather it's a compact short link four-bar setup with a long shock linkage. If that rear pivot was in the chainstay rather than the seatstay, I think it would be closer to a true six-bar. I think...

Kona's is just a linkage driven single pivot, which I understand is what "faux-bar" means whenever it's mentioned (Marin even uses the term in its marketing of the same design). You can add any number of extra elements to the linkage, but as long as the chainstay is solid the axle path will always be circular and all you can influence is the leverage curve; the anti-squat/anti-rise curves remain fixed. Incidentally this is also why Specialized's "six-bar" system isn't.

 @boozed: that is your understanding, but there is no consensus within the industry.

 They do sell the bike as frameset only, complete bike or complete bike minus drivetrain. Only know that because I have a Hope 916 frameset on order at the moment.

 @rosscomtb80: Well im happy to say im wrong. - I think however it should be mentioned in the post.
in this case - wish other brands would do the same.

 Frame only is the Way for me, upgrade parts as and when necessary, work out what parts you like and keep them!

 Nice catch, those do look new!

 They’re on the ht website with “available in May” and some vendor sites too but all say “sold out”. Frustrating, I’d really like a pair soon.

 Would get shredded, surely

 Kumfaca