Spotted: SRAM Prototype E-Bike Motor

Jun 2, 2022 at 2:41
by Seb Stott  

Walking around the pits at the EWS and EWS-E, there was one bike that we caught several fleeting glimpses of, but it was always quickly hidden away. Eventually, I did manage to grab a couple of shots as it stood outside the SRAM pits. It looks like a Nukeproof Megawatt eMTB with a prototype SRAM motor.

The form factor of the Shimano motor on the regular Megawatt is a little different, with a sleeker connection to the downtube.

Why SRAM? Well, it looks very different from the Shimano motor that production Megawatts are built around. We saw it going back and forth between the Nukeproof and SRAM tents in the pits and SRAM staff were seen working on it and riding it. The bike also has a full SRAM build and SRAM-branded cranks.


Aside from the raw finish, it looks similar to the production Megawatt, although the frame is definitely modified to accommodate the different shape and size of motor. I didn't manage to get a photo of it, but there appears to be a top-tube mounted display, too.

Shimano launched their first e-bike motor way back in 2016, and rumors about SRAM entering the fray have been swirling for the last two years. SRAM also has a patent for what appears to be an electronic drivetrain powered by a central battery, similar to what would be found on an e-bike. We'll have to wait and see if that design ends up being implemented, but it would be nice if there was only one battery to charge, instead of charging one for the motor and one for the derailleur.

SRAM has a BlackBox Test Pilot team in the EWS-E this season, so it only makes sense that they'd be using the race as an opportunity to test prototype products. SRAM's official comment was, "No comment."



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187 Comments

  • 184 6
 It sure would be nice if all eMTB motors have standardized mounts and connectors so one can swap motors as they would anything else on their bike.
  • 191 53
 That's probably wishful thinking. Do Ford motors fit into Toyotas without any modifications?
  • 79 18
 @mikekazimer: Sure they do. Anything just takes money. Wink
  • 30 20
 @mikekazimer: Well that's a passenger vehicle, not a bicycle. But yes, with enough money, one can fit any Ford motor in to any Toyota.
  • 50 1
 @mikekazimer: with enough astroglide I could probably get my 7.3 Godzilla into my Tacoma
  • 6 6
 With parts, warranty, and OEM only, a universal mount is kinda pointless
  • 52 1
 @Almazing: With enough money, you can also swap motors between your ebikes. Hell, with enough money, you can fit that Ford motor on an ebike and have a proper moped.
  • 10 3
 @toast2266: Of course. But the idea is to minimize the amount of money needed to swap things.
  • 5 0
 @mikekazimer: yeah, why would they cheat themselves out of money. Sad but true. Wonder what Shimano make of SRam testing it on a bike built for shimano motors....
  • 4 2
 @mikekazimer: yeah they actually do but a Chevy motor is common to stuff into toyotas
  • 45 2
 @endorium: Therein lies another issue with motor and frame pairings. eMTB racing is going to be a thing in the future, regardless of whether anyone here likes it or not. I imagine changing professional race team sponsorships would be a ridiculous pain in the ass for the bike company. Imagine that you're X bike company with Shimano as a partner. You make your frames to fit Shimano motors and race them. Something happens, maybe a falling out, controversy, etc. You're no longer are partnered with Shimano and want to switch to SRAM. Now you're making new frames to accommodate SRAM motors. People here love pushing sustainability, but push back on standardization. There's nothing sustainable about having 17 eBike motors with 17 different mounting configurations and connector types.
  • 89 0
 Puzzling over why I would put a Ford motor in a Toyota
  • 5 0
 Yeah, that would be nice. Like the way it's so easy to swap cranks between bikes ... SMH
  • 17 4
 @mikekazimer: you can put any derailleur on any bike designed for a derailleur. Its possible.
  • 39 1
 SRAM will probably just call their mount the universal motor mount so that others adopt it.
  • 5 0
 @Hayek: excellent point!!
  • 10 0
 That would be way too consumer friendly. Next you'll want batteries to be swapable between bikes.
  • 9 12
 @mikekazimer: You do realize that the reason they don’t directly fit is because it’s significantly more complicated, right?

There’s no reason that bike companies couldn’t and shouldn’t standardize it.
  • 2 2
 @mikekazimer: No, but will we see motor swaps for bikes in the future, like people do engine swaps on cars?
  • 46 2
 @nickfranko, I'm not saying that I want there to be different motor mount patterns, it's just that I've been around the cycling world long enough to know that it's very rare to have one universally accepted standard for anything.
  • 5 1
 You cant even swap motor or batteries from same brand, without software update?
So really wishful thinking!
  • 13 3
 Then every bike would be stuck with giant first generation motors for years until the next standard was finally accepted, there wouldnt be bikes like the Kenevo SL with tiny motors. There is too much engineering in a motor for it to be standardized without major drawbacks to innovation.
  • 9 0
 Shimano sort of do this already. They keep the motor mounts the same with each new drive unit. If your frame comes with an E-7000 you can upgrade to either an E-8000 or EP8.
  • 2 0
 @Almazing: yeah, i'm sure you could even fit the mustang V8 into a Toyota IQ if you can find somewhere to put the seats
  • 1 0
 @Daaaaaaaan: Yes but I have 2 E-8000 motors & they will not work swapping them between bikes?
  • 4 0
 @mikekazimer: I know that a Corvette motor fits in a Volvo...!!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFrPjMVhP04
  • 12 0
 @mikekazimer: BMW motor fit into the Supra just fine. Wink
  • 1 1
 @stormracing: what truck has 7.3 liter engine?
  • 3 0
 @DHsender4life: older Ford diesels. One of the more bombproof engines around.
  • 2 2
 @toast2266: haha nice . I got a 6.7 Cummins. Big diesel makes sense cause they last million miles if taken care of
  • 2 1
 @DHsender4life: they have a new gas truck as well with a 7.3 in it. It’s called their 7.3 Godzilla motor. Great gas alternative for towing etc
  • 7 0
 @mikekazimer: You guys pushed for bottle inside front triangle and it seems to be paying off, you guys could start this standard mouting system for e-bikes motors. We, the cycling comunity, need to bash this around!
  • 2 4
 @mikekazimer: we all know that would also tarnish the reputation of the Toyota brand by popping in a Found On Road Dead motor
  • 2 0
 @Hayek: mucho vroom vroom
  • 3 0
 If only it was that easy.Like wheels, headsets, BB's and shocks ,wink wink.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: I would have used Honda/mini as an example.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: God, I hope not! Put any other domestic motor into a Toyota means it'll quit or have problems in no time!
  • 4 0
 @CSharp: OG Minis with K20 swaps are pretty damn sweet.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: with an eh dapter kit
  • 5 2
 motorcycles don't do this, so don't expect that degree of interchangeability for mtb's
  • 1 0
 youtu.be/060A15ELz00
  • 2 1
 @mikekazimer: Why would you want to make your car worse?
  • 1 0
 @endorium: Shimano needs to step it up…build a bigger more reliable motor.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: I get that universal motor mounts/fitting is a pipe dream, but how about standardized batteries so that your 2022 10k e-bike is not redundant in a few months when the bigger battery becomes available?
  • 1 0
 @Daaaaaaaan: But not the bigger battery?
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: universal chargers should be mandatory. EV cars, cell phones and e bikes (city or dirt).
  • 1 2
 @mikekazimer: why would you ever want a Ford motor in a Toyota lol waste of a good Toyota.
  • 2 1
 @DHsender4life: www.ford-trucks.com/articles/ford-super-duty-73-liter-gas-instead-diesel
  • 10 3
 @mikekazimer: no but your analogy isn’t correct. Does Ford make Ford engine and Toyota make Toyota? Does Specialized make their own motor? Does Santa Cruz make their own? What about YT? Begin seeing a trend here? The bike industry is not the auto industry and frame manufacturers (chassis manufacturers) don’t make motors unlike the auto industry. However even in the auto industry there are parts that are 3rd party and surprise they fit across multiple vehicles because they use a standard (DIN as one example).
  • 1 2
 @ryan-pnw: I'm a Cummins man !
  • 4 0
 I’m assuming that in time (hopefully not soon but probably) motor and battery systems for specific bikes will not be supported and parts will run out. At that point I wonder if somebody will manufacture kits to convert ebikes to bikes, with a bb adapter that bolts into the motor mounts. You could take ~12 lbs off an otherwise useless bike and have something that was pretty fun to ride.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: engineswapdepot.com

Apparently anything fits in just about everything
  • 5 0
 @aljoburr: once again the moto companies are well ahead of the moped makers.

motocrossactionmag.com/ktm-honda-yamaha-agree-to-create-universal-batteries-for-electric-motorcycles
  • 4 3
 @mikekazimer: thats a TERRIBLE analogy.Toyota makes motors for their cars,Shimano doesn’t make bike , SantaCruz doesn’t make motors, having the possibility to switch motors on bikes is completely different and would actually be a nice feature…Kinda like swapping Gibson pickups on their electric guitars for another brand pf pickups…
  • 1 1
 @mikekazimer: my question is, why would one want to make a 'yote less reliable??????????
  • 1 0
 @Almazing: But this is how it works. We keep making new V8s when we should all just use what Ferrari made in the 90s.....instead of reinventing the v8 in a different package.
  • 3 2
 @Hayek: Because almost everything has more power than a Toyota engine.
  • 1 0
 @joemo5: When people can do hydroforming at home....
  • 1 0
 @Daaaaaaaan: Sortof....but the wiring loom, computer, and mode select have to be swapped. I wish they would just use CanBus and standardize say 15 different buttons that could be used to fit every application because most likely more than 5 buttons will not be wired up.
  • 2 0
 @endorium: Maybe they struck a
deal by riding Shimano shoes
  • 1 0
 @Almazing: Clearly, with enough money, you can fit a SRAM motor in to a Shimano equipped Megawatt. You may have missed the point
  • 7 0
 We are still in the infancy stages of ebike development. Trying force a standard at this point would be pretty silly. These motors will continue to get smaller, more powerful, and far more efficient and will likely have to change considerably from one design to another in order to move the ball forward. Why can't we just be stoked about bikes?
  • 1 0
 @Daaaaaaaan: Yees that´s nice, but where do you get the motor from, its´s OEM only.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: Nah. I disagree. Even recent moves in gearboxes shows that industry wants some standards. Look at Effigear Mimic.

Besides. We have too many standards but these are still standards. The first two companies that will decide to create one will dominate the market.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: I mean it’s taken decades to finally (almost) agree on a universal mech hanger. I can’t see them agreeing on motor mounts anytime soon. Especially as they’ll want to tie you into their motor
  • 1 1
 I guess we´ll rather see more integrated, non-user servicable bikes where every part is electric and somehow linked together in future.

Just like cars and electronic devices are already.
And you´ll buy it just as happily.
  • 1 0
 ...Like the gboxx mount?
  • 1 1
 Precisely why it's not bike anymore
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: xkcd.com/927
  • 6 0
 @swaldrop: I really do not think we are in e-bike infancy any more. Better batteries are decades away. Motors are small/lightweight and quite effecient which have been developing outside of bikes for decades aready. Frame integration is about as good as it can get.

I would just prefer that e-bike motor parts could be bought by the public to fix out of warranty.
  • 1 2
 @taskmgr: yeah man, I was dreaming of putting an S10 motor into my Taco. Ya know, to decrease reliability!
  • 2 2
 @REZEN: Thats what I was saying and got downvoted for. Whats the point of a standarized frame mount when you can't buy motors, the same motor from the same brand won't swap because its firmware locked, and many motor manufacturers lock in bike companies to using their batteries? Its like complaining that a Tesla motor isn't easily swappable with another EV.
  • 1 0
 @REZEN: I burned up a motor in my Gen 3 Levo in less than a 3 months. Shifting under the load of an ebike is a drivetrain destroyer. We are far from where we will be with these things. That's not to say they aren't already fun as I'm already on my 2nd ebike, but you can put me firmly on the side of those who believe they have a lot of room to improve.
  • 1 0
 @Hamburgi: thanks for that link. Pure awesome !
  • 3 0
 @mikekazimer: Gee, looking back at my comments here on pinkbike, I see I first mentioned the Husqvarna Extreme Cross e-bikes with a universal motor mount at the bottom bracket back in, *checks notes* early September 2019.

Heck, you could even put a regular bottom bracket on the bike with an adapter plate once your motor has been forced into obsolescence by the companies that will eventually being forcing you to upgrade by no longer supporting them.

And yes, you can drop almost any Detroit iron into a Land Cruiser with a single adapter plate and no frame mods.
  • 1 0
 I put a Ford Small block V-8 crate motor in my 86 Land Cruiser. The stock inline six engine didn’t have power or torque for such a heavy vehicle and when it finally died, it was an easy decision to make. Now it has better acceleration and fuel economy and replacement parts are cheaper and more readily available. I almost went with a Toyota 2UZ-FE V-8 like my 2002 has, but it would have cost twice as much and would have been a more complicated engine swap @Hayek:
  • 2 0
 @Superburner: one of the guys at work has been designing a gearbox. At my suggestion, he’s developing it to fit the shimano steps mounting pattern. I don’t know if we will ever have enough spare machine time for it to leave the screen and make it into the real world but it’s the way to go IMO.
  • 1 0
 @ebrown123: about the same time i mentioned both. Every eeb should come with a bb adapter that bolts into the motor mount pattern. Small expense that would save the buyer and the company a lot of headache when the motor goes in for repair or warrantee , or you want to fly with your bike and wouldnt be able to secure a battery, etc etc
  • 2 1
 @won-sean-animal-chin: We agree on that. And since it affects e-bikers it will be called limp mode like it is on cars when the electronics go into shutdown mode. Or maybe it's limp mode as soon as they get on the bike.

Hey @CascadeComponents, we have a product idea for you. Conventional BB adapter plates for the major motor company mounting standards.
  • 1 0
 this is exactly what I came here to say.
  • 1 3
 How do you say you are new to riding without saying you're new to riding....
hmm....

Oh I know....

"It sure would be nice if all blah blah have standardized mounts and connectors so one can swap blah blah as they would anything else on their bike."
  • 2 0
 @MRwillP: When brute power is more important than reliability, I guess. I've been looking for a decent FJ40 or first generation 4Runner for a while. A LOT of them have Chevy 350s in them now instead of the Toyota I-6 or I-4 motors they got from the factory.
  • 2 1
 @mikekazimer: I, I , I…

Cmon Kaz
  • 1 0
 @Hayek: Ford Barra motor conversions for 4x4 Toyota vehicles is becoming increasingly common in Aus.
  • 1 0
 Yup. There's a few ebikes out there, that I'd love to own, but I'm not a fan of the motors they chose. Be great to chose the frame and powerplant you want to combo
  • 3 2
 @mikekazimer: did you just compare bikes with cars? Some cars uses other brands engines, transmission and other parts. My Suzuki XL7 have a Chevy engine and toyota transmission.
  • 1 0
 @DHsender4life: All good, my friend. I don't have a dog in the fight, my van has a measly 4.6L v8. Just answering the question. Smile
  • 2 0
 @fasterjedi: I would think that someone who has swapped out many frames and parts as upgrades over many years would appreciate being able to change the assist system on their bike. If the frame fits you and works well, why not try another system if its within your budget? Nope, I guess only nubes would know about things like this...
  • 48 7
 Confirmed details:
Proprietary 28.99 WH battery
200mm travel E-bike specific suspension seatpost
3" E-steerer tube
Electronically assisted power steering
Adaptive cruise control
  • 1 0
 Heated seats?
  • 37 5
 SRAM as slow at embracing e bikes as Shimano was 1x.
  • 3 2
 I hope they are as slow as shimano embracing electronic shifting(that doesn’t suck like Di2)
  • 5 0
 @MillerReid: ever heard of axs?
  • 4 0
 Somehow consumers will still be their beta tester bc sram.
  • 29 0
 How many axs batteries does this use?
  • 50 0
 420
  • 17 0
 better yet... imagine charge port for AXS battery that can draw power from your main battery Big Grin
  • 5 0
 @valrock: That's actually a really good idea
  • 8 0
 @valrock: in am article elsewhere it mentions the derailleur being powered but the main battery.
  • 3 0
 @endorium: It was in the bike rumor article
  • 15 1
 @valrock: I want a built in blue tooth speaker, and downloadable engine sounds. I'll buy an ebike when it sounds like a CR500.
  • 21 0
 Motor/Gearbox Combo Pretty Pretty Please
  • 3 0
 Would Be quicker to build your own?
  • 2 0
 The Revonte One has that combo. That will be hitting the market soon. Launched already but not yet in the shops.
  • 3 0
 Valeo/effigear has been released a few months ago.
  • 10 1
 The real question is are we at a point with electric shifting and electric motors where the two can talk? Will we get quickshifting mapped to power delivery like moto quickshifters? No more detonated chains and "full" power shifting?
  • 9 1
 And then right into automatic transmissions!
  • 3 0
 That's already available with a Bosch motor and Rohloff hub. Power output is reduced when shifting. I rode it on on a Riese & Müller S-Pedelec last fall. It takes some getting used to though.
  • 1 0
 @Xaelber93: well I learned something today! And that's also one of the most Euro things I've ever seen. The ability to shift while stopped couldn't come over to a traditional drivetrain but maybe the ebike spider can accelerate independent of the crank arms? Like you could shift descending without having to pedal. And maybe the shifting takes less getting used to as traditional drivetrains shift under load better so the delay may not be as noticeable.
  • 2 0
 SIMPSONS DID IT m.pinkbike.com/news/revontes-one-e-bike-drive-system.html
  • 1 0
 @AverageAdventurer: just wait about 2 or 3 more months and you‘ll get what you wished for! I promise!!
  • 1 0
 That's been a thing for as long as shimano have made the e8000. Di2 can be wired Into the main battery, and when you shift gear it backs off the power automatically. The next model up of my bike (merida e160) came with that exact set up, I was tempted but the reliability/ease of replacement of the mechanical xt won the battle.
  • 3 0
 @AverageAdventurer: oh and if you cable tie your cassette to your spokes you can shift while coasting with pretty much every ebike motor (they all have a front freewheel afaik)
  • 6 0
 Make it proprietary (I don't need to swap a Shimano motor into a SRAM powered ebike), but make it SERVICEABLE. IE I want to be able to change bearings, and access electronics to swap out boards etc.
  • 6 0
 The mind wobbles imaging the myriad of opportunities for SRAM to underengineer all the components to make a (temporarily) functional ebike motor.
  • 7 0
 Enough mounting standards already
  • 5 0
 We need the battery to power the dr and seatpost. No sense in having a monster ebike battery and then using separate batteries to power the other stuff.
  • 4 0
 Might as well integrate the suspension too. Someone should probably develop a universal power harness system.
  • 1 0
 AXS-equipped eMTBs already have a wire to power the derailleur from the main battery. Seat posts can't be too far off.
  • 8 2
 Scooped by Bike Rumor though....
  • 3 1
 Fit a Toyota GT-Four Turbo Charged 4WD engine into a Austin Mini

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hCPODjJO7s
Project Binky - Episode 1 - Austin Mini GT-Four - Turbo Charged 4WD Mini

In all fairness modularity can makes things easy to switch things around, the military
do it all the time. So many options available for the D cell maglite, which has been around
in its current design since the 80's ? and with LED drop ins, tube ext, Alt battery types, accessories etc
The AR rifle platform is another, with 3rd party bits from Magpul amongst many others,
The desktop PC, build to your own spec.
It can serve longevity, easy repair, save on waste as your not disposing of the complete package
when it breaks.
  • 2 0
 Doing a MTB motor swap would be so much easier than project binky dude. What a terrible example haha
  • 2 0
 @plustiresaintdead:

I cant control how your mind interprets what you read,
dont beleive I referenced MTB motor swapping with project binky, though mention of " Do Ford motors fit into Toyotas" might be a better relation, you know engines and all : )
  • 1 0
 Oh, I forgot one good example. Those honda k series used in Ariel Atom, Toyota engines used in Lotus cars, suzuki GSX 1400 heads used in the Hartley V8s. That ford electric motor kit to do engine swaps. Im not even going in to the miata engine swap kits to GM 4cylinder bolt on and the LS swap, and many other swaps.
  • 5 3
 Wishful thinking, but it'd be nice if the same product development energy was put toward gearboxes. Would love to reduce the unsprung weight on the rear wheel and have a more robust drivetrain option.
  • 1 0
 pairing the e-motor with a gearbox makes obvious sense........I wonder if SRAM will deliberately avoid that, as to not cut into their bread and butter derailleur based drivetrain sales?
  • 2 1
 I'm e-bike curious, but they are all so low it looks like you'd be constantly smacking them into rocks. I hit my bash guard quite frequently, so I'd assume it'd be the same. Can't they orient them in a way to provide more clearance?
  • 2 1
 My Levo is super low to be sure. The good news is the part that takes the abuse is pretty easy and cheap to replace should you need to. The reason though I believe is to keep the weight as low as possible. These bikes will continue to improve is every way. This is just the beginning. Don't be worried about being an early adopter though. Ebikes are a lot of fun and everyone should add one to their bike collection
  • 1 0
 @swaldrop: Rocky Mountain have done a good job of that, they're quite different to any of the other motors out there use a regular crank & BB
  • 1 0
 @honourablegeorge: How would a regular crank be used? The spindle has to be part of the motor in some way, no?
  • 3 0
 Oh man, so chunky, really hope this is a terribly rough prototype..MFG's please!!! No more power but lighter and quieter!!
  • 1 1
 This is going to be amazing. Imagine the sram ebike of the future, with AXS everything powered from a central battery, AXS controller on the left for ebike power levels and dropper, another on the right for derailleur, and flight attendant. Maybe not everyone’s cup of tea but the integration is going to be amazing and will take ebikes to the next level. No more hokey wire going to an inferior mode switch like every bike now.
  • 3 1
 As long as their warranty support and parts availability is better than Shimano's, I'd put up with just about anything.
  • 7 0
 So much this!!!!!
On average when warrantying shimano motors our customers have been without a motor for 6 months.
The quickest of warranty claims got a motor in 5 months.
The longest is currently 7 months and still waiting.......
At the moment we currently also have spare EP8 and E-7000 series motors on backorder (who knows when we will see them arrive) so we have spare motors to keep bikes going.
  • 15 4
 @mudcycles: If I only there were some way to enjoy cycling without the motor.
  • 3 0
 @mudcycles: I Would be happy just for shimano drivetrain components to be in stock! Luckily in my emtb rental fleet the e8000 and ep8 motors have been flawless. That being said my favorite motor is still the new bosch gen 4 on power delivery and battery usage.
  • 1 0
 @TahoeEbikes: Yep tell me about it, Shimano NZ has been out of 12speed since December-January.
I ran out of their chains awhile back & we have to buy elsewhere now.
LOL I had a whinge to the Devinci rep the other day that they spec'd shimano instead of Bosch on the new bikes.
  • 1 1
 According to this E-Mtb sales are down and expected to drop in further now that Covid is nearing the end of it's cycle. It seems E-Mtbs are just a fad.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7YXXieghto
  • 4 2
 Can they make it not rattle like the EP8?
  • 3 1
 wish it was a gear box instead
  • 1 0
 So the Sachs ebike motor wasn't actually SRAM, but the original Sachs that SRAM bought their drivetrain branch from?
  • 2 1
 Awaiting thestatement about how they use only the best synthetic gear oil, then silently switch to mineral oil.
  • 2 0
 Pls make this serviceable!
  • 2 1
 Oh God, here comes the SRAM and Trek making yet another set of standards!
  • 10 10
 Another option for the seemingly huge number of "elderly and disabled people" sadly unable to ride a normal bicycle.
  • 9 0
 It's very generous of the bike industry to spend so heavily on such a small demographic.
  • 1 0
 Pedals headunits and now motors. I hope they know what theyre doing
  • 2 1
 WHO CARES...PEDAL DAMIT!!! Smile
  • 1 0
 Rumor has it it'll come standard with GripShift
  • 3 3
 That's what I'm talking about Sram bigger than ever
  • 8 11
 Wouldn’t trust riding a SRAM motor, it sucks bad enough when your brakes fail, or your dropper post stops working. No way would I trust them to build a motor and battery system.
  • 3 6
 Not just the brakes. Derailleurs, cassettes, hubs, dropper posts, bottom brackets, chains. You pay a lot for stuff breaking. It's like buying a Ford, GM, or especially a Dodge/Chrysler!
  • 7 2
 @CSharp: ???? Are you saying SRAM makes bad cassettes, bottom brackets, and chains? That's lunacy.

Also, current gen GM performance cars are actually head and shoulders above similarly priced German competition. CT5/4 Blackwing, mid-engined Corvette, even the Camaro. So, ya know, kind of sounds like you just repeat things you've heard other people say on the internet....
  • 1 1
 Sram chains are made out of pot metal. Im sure the gears in this thing will hold up just fine.
  • 1 0
 @mm732: that's just a silly thing to say. X01 and XX1 chains last forever. As do the cassettes. You can criticize SRAM all you want (f*cking reverb...), just be sure it's deserved.
  • 1 0
 @TheRamma: they last when they don't snap, which they do quite often
  • 1 0
 @mm732: so now you're saying SRAM chains "snap" all the time? Dude, just stop already.
  • 1 0
 @TheRamma: Yup, I said it in my post LOL. You sounded like you want an echo. So, I'm asking you to re-read what I said about SRAM and the almost defunct GM. I know for a fact that the SRAM stuff are crap when my friends keep breaking SRAM shit left and right - hubs, cassettes, chains (I've broken a few that were brand new), jockey guide wheels (like who the f*ck breaks those???), bottom brackets. SRAM probably didn't plan to make bad anything but they just break - so easily in a short period of time!
  • 1 0
 @CSharp: We're talking about manufacturers, take a second. Take a breath.

Some dude (@mm732) claimed they made their chains from "pot metal." When SRAM makes some of the longest lasting chains you can find in X01. Just silly.

You're claiming all this new stuff breaks. If you're breaking brand new chains, cassettes, and bottoms brackets frequently, my suspicion is that it's not SRAM's fault. All those things are pretty reliable at the NX and above level. Breaking jockey wheels sounds like somebody smashed their derailleur, but IDK, I've never done that in decades of biking.

The fact is that SRAM has some pretty cool patents, particularly for cassette construction. They make longer lasting, lighter cassettes than most of the competition. Hence why your shit talking sounds unhinged. Like trashing Shimanos derailleur clutches.

Also, talking shit about GM just shows you have a weird emotional connection to brands. They'll never care about you. They're just trying to grab your money.
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 @CSharp: your friend probably cleans everything with a pressure wash too.....
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 ya F! that
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 Speed and Power.
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 Did they consider making it look less ugly?
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 It's a prototype. Not sure why it matters what it looks like at this point?
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 Be adding bikes with SRAM spec'd motors to the Shimano list of ones I ain't going to purchase. Bosch all the way baby.
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 bosch motors all klunk
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 @jokermtb: much more reliable, can be fixed by independents if need be and better warranty.
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 @jokermtb: I think that's due to the roller bearing clutch. I think Shimano used sprags in their E8000, but switched to something else in the EP8 that resulted in rattle, due to the sprags being heavy and not fully disengaging (adding drag).

The Brose/Spec motor unit still uses a sprag clutch.
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 @mtb-scotland: that's true.....most e-mtb motors are not user serviceable (shimano is famous for that), which is kinda sad considering all the engineering and tech that go into making these things.
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 Capitalism and lazy people=$
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 Wow. Please move this conversation to a non mountain biking website.
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 Aren't you supposed to apologize before speaking like a proper Canuck?
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