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The New Giant Faith is the Kids' Bike We Wish We Had

Jun 12, 2024 at 7:26
by Seb Stott  
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If you've been mountain biking long enough to remember the Giant Faith freeride rig of circa 2010, you probably learned to ride on something much less confidence-inspiring than this.

Giant and Liv (Giant's female-specific sister brand) have each released two new bikes for kids looking to tackle proper mountain bike terrain. They describe the new Faith and Faith 24 as "high-performance, full-suspension trail bikes designed and built specifically for kids." The Faith has a 26" rear wheel with 27.5" up front, 135 mm rear suspension and a 140 mm fork, while the Faith 24 has 24" wheels front and rear, 130 mm of rear suspension and a 140 mm fork.

As a rough guideline, the Faith 24 is designed for 5-9-year-olds and features a 64.1 cm (25.2 in) standover height. It weighs a claimed 12.2 kg / 27 pounds with pedals. The Faith is intended for 9-13-year-olds and features a 67.6 cm (26.6 in) standover height and a 13.2 kg / 29 pound claimed weight.
Giant/Liv Faith Details
• Wheels 27.5"/26" (Faith) / 24"/24" (Faith 24)
• 135 mm rear travel (Faith), 130 mm (Faith 24)
• 140 mm fork
• One frame size per wheel size
• Child-specific suspension, wheels, cranks, bars, grips, dropper post & brakes
• Air-sprung fork & shock with adjustable rebound and shook compression modes
• Claimed weight: 12.2 kg / 27 lb (Faith 24) - 13.2 kg / 29 lb (Faith) , with pedals
• Price $2,600 USD (Faith) / $2,500 (Faith 24)
giant-bicycles.com

I asked what the differences are between the Giant and Liv variants. Here's what Liv told me: "The Faith is designed for youth geometry, so there aren't big differences here between the Liv and Giant models. Where they do provide distinction is in colorways and brand. By buying a Liv Faith, young girls are entering into a brand that is dedicated to growing cycling for girls and women."

The Faith and Faith 24 both offer many of the features you'd look for in an adult's bike, with geometry and components tailored to smaller riders.

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The use of components specifically designed for smaller and lighter riders stands out. Giant's in-house suspension brand (Crest) provides the fork and shock, specifically tuned for riders under 62 kg in the case of the Faith and under 46 kg in the case of Faith 24. The Crest forks used on the Faith have a setup guide with suggested air pressure and rebound settings for riders from 26-62 kg. The 100 mm travel dropper post is similarly designed for lighter riders to operate, with a light lever feel and low compression force. There are also child-sized handlebars, brake levers, grips, saddles and cranks (140 mm on the Faith 24 and 155 mm on the Faith).

The frame has a similar layout to the grown-ups' Giant Stance , with a flex-pivot suspension layout which does without bearings in the seatstay or chainstay. The Crest FloTrac Lite shock is also tuned for lighter riders and is said to be responsive to smaller force inputs thanks to a large negative chamber. The damper features "simplified" open and locked-out compression modes designed for lighter riders, plus rebound adjustment.

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Faith 24
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Faith

Geomety and sizing

The Faith and Faith 24 models have one frame size each. So, unlike with adults' bikes, as the rider grows they get bigger wheels, longer cranks, wider handlebars etc. - not just a longer frame.

The head angle and seat angle wouldn't look out of place on an adult's trail bike. Even the 410 mm reach on the bigger Faith isn't far off an adult's bike a few years ago. The forks are specific to each wheel size, so the 24" bike has a shorter fork offset (rake) to maintain steering stability (trail) despite the smaller wheel size. Chainstays are short (especially in the Faith 24) which should help young riders learn to manual.
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The youth of today.

Specs

Other components to highlight include Giant's TRA tubeless wheels with 30 mm internal width and 5 mm rim sidewalls to reduce the risk of pinch flats, combined with Maxxis Minion tires. The Microshift 1x10 drivetrain and 11-48t cassette should offer enough range for most hills, while the 180/160 mm rotors may seem small, but they are designed for light riders and small wheels.

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The Faith retails for $2,600 USD, or $2,500 for the Faith 24. International pricing can be found here.

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What a time to be a child.


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77 Comments
  • 30 0
 I bought my son the Jeffsy 24 a few months ago. On sale, it was notably cheaper than this, but I see this bike as having a few advantages over the Jeffsy: 1. It's a pound or so lighter if the weight is to be believed. The Jeffsy claims 27.77, but It's a bit heavier (I suspect they give the weight for the non-dropper version). 2. The cranks on the 24 are 140, vs 155 on the Jeffsy. I think that's better for little kids (though my son hasn't had any issues, so my plan to steal his cranks for my bike has been foiled). 3. The dropper seems to be more kid specific. YT's might be too, but my 52 lb kid is still too light for it, so I had to use some surgical tubing from fitness bands to basically add a helper spring so he can easily lower the post).

Overall, this looks like a great offering from a major manufacturer and seems to really take into consideration kid specifics in a high performance bike.
  • 5 0
 The PNW Fern dropper is really good for light riders and not that terribly priced. My kiddo has been on his since he was 48lbs.
  • 1 0
 Good insights - thanks for the comment.
  • 33 8
 "As a rough guideline, the Faith 24 is designed for 5-9-year-olds and features a 64.1 cm (25.2 in) standover height." Sorry, 24" bikes are not ridden by 5 year olds. Maybe the tallest of 6 year olds, but even then that's a stretch.
  • 10 6
 My 5 year old rode a 24".... its less about the wheel size and more about how the frame sits between the wheels...You could make a 29er thats fits a 5 year old if you really wanted to... but it would be more like the bat bike.
  • 3 2
 Agreed. 376mm reach for a 5 year old is ridiculous. Nukeproof's Cub Scout 24 has(had) a 345mm reach, and they recommend that for kids 127cm (50") and taller. Looking at an average height chart, 5 year olds are 43"...
  • 3 1
 @ChiefSilverback: we used to think a 450 reach was huge for a 6' adult.... my 42" daughter can use a 376 no problem at all... the seat tube length and standover are the bigger concerns.
  • 9 3
 @maestroman21: "use" or properly ride in full control on technical trails?

The 24" Faith has 140mm cranks, a 320mm seat tube, and a 100mm dropper. Add another 30mm for the seat post collar and stack height of the saddle and you're at 590mm, which is 23".

Average height to inseam ratio is 2.2:1, so you'd need to be ~ 51" tall at a minimum to ride this bike as it comes from the factory.

I wouldn't put a 51" tall child on a bike with a 370mm reach, and neither would Commencal, YT, Nukeproof, Spawn etc...
  • 5 1
 Yeah, I was reading that and looking at my 4yo who fits his 16" bike perfectly and thinking a 24" bike would be ludicrous next year. Also, NOTHING fits a 5 year old and 9 year old well simultaneously. A 5yo has a mean height of 111cm and a 9 year old is 133cm. That's like saying Rachel Atherton and Gee Atherton should be able to fit each other's bikes.
  • 5 0
 @cueTIP: End of the day the Faith 24 has a 25" standover height. Use a 2.2:1 ratio to turn that into height and that's 55" which is the average height of a 10 year old!
  • 2 1
 @ChiefSilverback: Oh totally. Their age range reads like someone who thinks kids are born in middle school.
  • 10 0
 Reading all the dithering about reach and stack for a kid's bike cracks me up thinking about the monstrosities we bombed around on when I was a kid. Get off my lawn!
  • 2 0
 @gtill9000: Exactly! Kids don't care about standover, if they can get on and off without falling over they'll ride it. And lots will try to get it airborne too. :-) Although I guess the parent who has to cough up 2k+ for the bike wants it to work better than that.
  • 14 0
 When they talk about who girls choosing the Liv version will "enter into a brand" - sounds a bit like joining a cult, no?
  • 11 0
 All i saw was 27.5 front and 26 rear and want to know if I can ride it (I am 5'11" 180 lbs)
  • 3 0
 Same. I would banish my remedy to the shadow realm to be able to ride a current geo 27.5/26 mullet
  • 13 5
 I have a 9yo, she outgrows bikes like she outgrows shoes and clothes—quickly. $2500 on a bike she'll outgrow in 18 months or less? Nope.
  • 25 1
 they hold value though. You'll get like 80% of that back .I've been doing this with Norco/Prevelo kids bikes since my kids
were little. It doesnt end up much more expensive than going for walmart bikes that end up in the trash. Of course having the capital to initially spend it is a barrier.
  • 1 0
 Same here. My 9yo daughter is 93rd percentile for height and already wearing women sized shoes, gloves and helmet. I’m kinda glad she’s more interested in basketball right now LOL
  • 16 0
 @maestroman21:

Yes, essentially parents could look at it as sort of rental program. I have twins and when they were 8 I picked them up a pair of Rocky Growler Jr's (hardtail, 26x2.8 tires, 1x10, dropper, etc) at a discount for ~$1900/each new. They rode those bikes for 3 summers then I sold them (the bikes, not the kids) for ~$1400/each. My justification math put it as $167 per kid per summer for a better quality forest toy than I'd have found used.
  • 7 0
 My sister's kids play soccer, she spends 15k a year on the dumb league and equipment. My kid rides MTB, better and less expensive investment.
  • 4 0
 Eh, My 4yo is on his 5th bike. Tiny little 4-wheel run bike, 9" run bike, 12" run bike, 14" Commencal RMNS, 16" Commencal RMNS. Total cost has been around $1000 so far. Our 1yo is now using the smallest bike and will get all of his big brother's old bikes as he grows. All of them are in brand-new condition because we actually care for them. Once we're done they'll all be better than crappy big-box bikes so we'll be able to sell them off for probably $600-700. You might get $15 for a used Walmart kids bike on marketplace right now which means it is cheaper in the long run to buy the nicer bike than it is the cheaper ones. Next year he'll be moving to the Clash 20, and we'll sell that for 70% of its cost 4 years later meaning it'll be at most a $750 bike that actually WORKS.
  • 2 0
 Just have a new kid every year and the problem solves itself
  • 3 0
 @maestroman21: They hold value through multiple buy-sell cycles. I buy used 2-year old bikes for my groms at the 80% or less rate mentioned above. Then I sell them on a couple years later for same amount I paid. I take very good care of the bikes and they sell easily, especially as new bikes prices are even higher at each interval.
  • 1 0
 @cueTIP: This is the way
  • 8 2
 Yeah my first mtb was £200 in 2001, or £326 in todays money, and we haggled it down, and it was ex-demo. But that bike was rad until it got stolen. If my parents had offered to pay the equivalent £1100 (which they wouldn't) I would have taken the money instead and pocketed the rest. I would then have invested my (by then) £1000 in November 2011 in a company called Tesla and would today be sitting on a small fortune of c. £200,000. With this in yield and dividend stocks minus tax I would now be commissioning a Dangerholm every 2 years, and posting about it on social media. So my point is, don't buy one of these bikes, get really, really, really lucky, and also make statistics up at will.
-sent frm ipheon
  • 1 0
 If you bought MTB-adjacent Monster Beverage, you'd have £875,000.
  • 2 0
 @Marquis:there's the truth kids. Buy low sell high
  • 7 2
 I am not sold on the full-sus for kids. At least for the riding my kids do, a hard tail has been the perfect tool. I am sure there are parts of the world where there are kids who can put all that squish to use, but on 24" tires I have my doubts.
  • 6 0
 Testify. Riding skills first. As cool as it looks until they are riding downhill without riding the brakes the whole time or getting actual air the extra weight and maintenance is not worth it.
  • 2 0
 There are definitely kids who absolutely smoke on their fs bikes. Some of the kids here are already getting sponsored and riding some trails with far greater amplitude than most of us could do as adults. Jackson is an obvious stand out but there are a good number of local kids I see that already hit some gnarly trails at the same speed I am on my 29er. We have some Red Bull parks here and watching the 5-9 yr old kids ride will reset your expectations on what kids are capable of.
  • 2 0
 @Kiltymac Don’t doubt what the kids can do these days. I coach a bunch of 9-11 year olds and they ride harder than most adults. Speed, big jumps, drops and tech. If you wouldn’t ride Whistler blacks on a hardtail, then these kids shouldn’t either.
  • 4 0
 If I were in the market for a kids bike I would be scouring the Buy-Sell for an older 26 FS bike that maybe has some upgrades like a dropper post and 1X drivetrain. Swap the cranks to something shorter (if you want) and done!
  • 6 0
 i saw someones kid on a bontrager race lite xxs with full xtr m950. that thing weighed nothing perfect kids bike and it even made me jealous
  • 10 3
 I have "faith" that these will not sell well for that price.
  • 1 1
 I have Faith 24 that you're probably right
  • 3 0
 while kids that are 10-12 have factory spec commencal's here. I dont think they'll have any issues selling these to keen dads.
  • 3 0
 I'm seeing a huge amount of overlap with the Trance Jr 26", including they are priced the same. I'm the first to admit, although the giant fork doesn't scream "premium", it's proven itself quite reliable, and has an unbelievably huge range of rebound adjustment. I'm sure it's made by suntour, and I assume that's who's making this shock as well. Tuned for smaller riders, its probably quite capable.
I'm not the market for this bike (I don't have kids), but there's a lot of buyers out there for exactly this. If they could hit a price point a little closer to the stance ($1900) I think they would have a home run.
At its current price, it's a bit of a stretch for most parents, but it'll hold it's resale value really well.
  • 8 0
 Giant is manufacturing their own forks in house, and it looks like shocks too now.
  • 3 0
 @Kiltymac: That's completely true, Giant manufactures their own shocks and forks.
  • 3 0
 @TIZZASPAIN: And a lot of other companies as well
  • 8 2
 Not only is the price egregious, but how is it so dang heavy?
  • 4 0
 If you compare it to other kids dual suspension offerings, it is on the lighter side. I agree the price is positioned too high compared to other solid offerings out there.
  • 2 0
 Dads rejoice, even if this isn't "the" bike. You have to admit we are spoiled with choices today that even 5 years ago would have been fantasy. And I may or may not have bought a Profile Ti crank spindle for his Prevelo that may or may not have carbon lowers on the full susp fork, hearsay I say.
  • 3 0
 Dope. I'm stoked on this. Great weight for kids bikes, and price hits the point too with a dropped and 140mm cranks on 24. This is a massive win for bikes and kids. I'm gonna be looking into getting one possibly.
  • 1 0
 Hello, my son is 9 and rode this bike aggressively for a few weeks before, during and after this photo shoot for Giant and without any sort of persuasion he actually really loved riding the bike and for that time span (while we had the Faith) he chose it over his Chromag Minor Threat 26 and Monk DJ (both sick bikes) due to how light the Faith is in the air. Said “it’s a full suspension that has the feel of his dirt jumper due to the geometry and light weight”. I can’t speak to the in-house components but he said everything felt smooth and no different than his Pike suspensions. He had a Scott Ransom 24 (Fusion/Suntour) prior to the Minor Threat, and the Giant Faith is leaps and bounds a better value than the Scott. The Scott was a very heavy and we had numerous issues with the suspension. Hopefully, this helps.
  • 2 0
 Sure sucks that Giant has to spec them with allegedly crappy house brand parts suited for small & light riders, since there are just soooo many options in that range.
  • 2 0
 Nice to see the Faith name come back, but was kinda hoping it would be in the form of a modern 180/180 travel 27.5" freeride bike
  • 1 0
 I’ve always wondered why this category of Freeride/mini DH bike fell by the wayside. A dozen years ago it was very common. The Giant Faith, Specialized SX trail, Trek Scratch, Transition TR250, Scott voltage, etc.

Always seemed like this category of bike should have been more popular among the park riders who don’t race.
  • 2 0
 Dam. I just bought the gt stomper fs for my daughter. Thing weighs like 16kg! It's ridiculously heavy for a kids bike.
  • 1 0
 Fitting, the Giant Faith took the junior World Champs gold in '05 under Amiel Cavalier. I had one new back in the day, this new one has better geo ha ha .
  • 1 1
 Says Faith retails for $2,600 USD, or $2,500 for the Faith 24.
No doubt that is MSRP (which is always high).
Wonder what MAP (minimal advertised price) is since that is what shops will have them marked @ on the floor.
  • 1 0
 Giant Crest forks previously have had zero after sales support. Will this improve or is it just "ship them and let the suspension shops sort it out".
  • 7 7
 Very very cool however it would be a close call in the death I would face if I dropped 2.5k on this for my son or spent that amount on loooooose women
  • 2 0
 As Whitney said..."I believe the children are our future".
  • 2 0
 My kid is going to be on a ridge SS for as long as possible.
  • 2 0
 And outriding the kids on this! This thing weighs half as much as the rider.
  • 2 2
 Is this fork and shock really on par with the other kids bikes in the price range? The brakes and drivetrain also seem to be from fringe manufacturers.
  • 3 0
 The 26" Jeffsy Primus comes with a SRAM SX drivetrain, SRAM G2 brakes, and the most bare bones Rockshox fork and shock that only have rebound adjustment. These Crest units from Giant appear to have compression adjustment on both fork and shock, so that's a plus.

The Advent X drivetrain is a go to for me on my own bikes, and nice to see specced here rather than Acolyte or even the 9 speed Advent (still a great drivetrain).

The brakes are Tektro, who are one of the biggest OEM brake providers and also own TRP who make some very good brakes.
  • 1 1
 @ChiefSilverback: It's a pretty shitty spec compared to the Commencal Clash 20 and 24 to be honest. The Clash 20 comes in at $2400 and has a fully compression and rebound adjustable Manitou fork, Rockshox Deluxe shock, Hayes Dominion A2 brakes, GX drivetrain and weighs 24lbs. The Clash 24 clocks in at $2800 with the same general specs only with an 11 speed drivetrain instead of the 10s on the 20 and weighs 27lbs with a RS Superdeluxe rear shock.

The extra $300 gets a lot of nicer parts on the Clash 24 and the Clash 20 will actually FIT a 5-6 year old and is cheaper than the Faith 24.
  • 1 0
 Kids have never had it so good. Parents have never been more broke than now.
  • 2 0
 But can they flip the link to unlock the secret DH geometry???
  • 2 0
 Title should have been “26 ain’t dead… Giant keeps the Faith.”
  • 3 6
 Seems like they figure kids don't need decent parts. Just throw the generic stuff on there, and jack the price up. Only decent brand on there is the Maxxis tires, and they're probably inferior OEM parts. Usually I see value in Giant, here I only see a ripoff.
  • 1 0
 Agree.. after summer I'll have to buy something like this bigger model and with exception of YT Jeffsy I can't find anything that looks like a decent ride and doesn't cost way too much
  • 1 0
 The Microsoft Advent X drivetrain is one of my go to options for my own bikes. The Jeffsy Primus 24 comes with the Manitou Junit fork, and a Manitou shock, which are very nice. Nukeproof specced the Junit fork on the Cub Scout 24 Race also.
  • 2 1
 Makes me wanna have kids...(SO much more than a baby picture)
  • 2 1
 Daddy issues manifesting in promiscuous sexual practices bike
  • 1 0
 Is it bolt thru axles or QR?
  • 3 0
 Thru axle, from the pictures at least
  • 1 0
 The 27.5/26 Might b fun for some smaller/lighter adult riders…
  • 2 0
 Heck ya Hunter!!!
  • 1 0
 Thanks! This photo shoot was such a great experience for him.
  • 1 0
 ...We Wish We Had Had.
  • 1 1
 Rocky Mountain Reapers are less expensive and have nicer components...
  • 1 3
 Hey Giant stop throwing so much trash (carbon) in the ocean







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