Trek Teases New Lightweight eMTB

 A new kind of e-bike where the ‘e’ stands for eat, powered by wheaties and a strong cup of coffee

 Yeah, yeah, yeah. There is a place for both and it's very dependent on where you live and ride. Your personal view based on your experiences may not check other people's boxes.

Personally I love both and pick the e over shuttle days and for self-pedal bike parks ( trail center) days etc. Also. Riding with my little one sitting on his MacRide seat has been something that has enriched our time together immensely. While you can go with a regular bike for that ( and I have and still do sometimes) your range is greatly reduced when you add an extra 20-40 lbs to the bike.

It's all about the right tool for the job if you're fortunate enough to be able to have both.

 stop thinking e bikes are bad ?

 Zero interest unless the TREK logo is at least twice as prominent as on the Rail.

 @ryanandrewrogers: who pissed in your cornflakes?

 @ryanandrewrogers: why don't you quit worrying about something you are not interested in?

 @ryanandrewrogers: why buy an e-bike with a tiny 630Wh battery? A 1000Wh battery is good for 6-9 hours of riding and say 7500 ft vert. 630Wh is good for 4-6 hours of riding and pure misery afterward. I'm easily capable of 7500 vert in 8 hours ,and if I want to keep riding all I need to bring is a meal, not another f*cking battery.

Oh right, now I remember, maybe it's because different people like different things. Some people like a lighter bike with less assist. Other people like even lighter bikes with no assist.

If I were in the market for an e-bike (I'm not), then the lighter-weight less assist would get the nod from me. I have a job and other responsibilities, so 3-4 hours is all I have time for anyway. I like pedaling, but if having a bit of assist gets me 4 laps instead of 3, then great.

And you know what? If I really want a longer day it looks like many manufacturers sell a battery that I can leave in the car until I need it, and then throw it on the bike for another lap or two when the main battery has run out. I know, I know. You're riding to the trailhead, and then doing epic 80 mile rides barefoot uphill both ways, so a bottle battery doesn't help you. Then a lightweight e-bike probably isn't for you.

 @ryanandrewrogers: Try both. Having owned both styles and as someone who enjoys putting in some effort I prefer SL style. It does handle a lot better too. For me it's the goldilocks setup.

 @ryanandrewrogers: agreed

 @ryanandrewrogers: Why Why Why do you have 3 first names?

 @ryanandrewrogers: because most of us only have time for a 2-3 hour ride once a week and dont live in mountains. Biggest hill round here from my house is 157m so a good ride is no more than 400m. Light ebikes are the future.

 Said the same thing differently, my post has been slashed

 @ryanandrewrogers: I can only speak for myself here but, I love my Kenevo SL. Just enough power to take the edge off of climbing and just light weight enough to manual and whip. Idk. For me I like it better than my regular bike or a big fat ebike…

 @FarmerJohn:
It is only two first names on a shared account? Ryan and Rew Rogers?

 @FarmerJohn: @st-lupo: It's just me and my three "first" names. Yeah, my folks weren't too inventive.

@igxqrrl: @d-man: But you're missing the point. What I described is practically unattainable in the market right now, even though it's the only thing I'd ever want an e-bike for. I don't see why everyone here is so opposed to having the motor help you get a full-travel DH bike up the mountain for all-day blasting. Shit, I would kiss lift tickets goodbye.

It would only take like 1lb to throw a Boxxer on instead of an Enduro fork, and another 2-3lbs to add a reasonable size battery. Doesn't seem like a lot when the bike is already a minimum of 40lbs.

 @ryanandrewrogers: Specialized Kenevo, big battery, coil rear shock and dual crown
There is a place for small motor e bikes. Less weight means more efficient and less battery use to keep the overall riding time the same as a big battery.
Rarely use Turbo mode in my Rail, I'd swap a few battery pounds for less power.
Norco has the 3 battery size options which to me is where manufacturers need to go.

 @neatoneto: That is how hegemony works. Once established as "normal"...opposing ideologies (or "ideologies"), especially ones that promote equality, will look like oppression to the established, hegemonic, ideology.

 Gay marriage doesn't put ebike batteries in the ocean like ebikes do

 @Dogl0rd: word

 @gooral: idk about the other guy but I sold my car and ride my vintage single speed in replacement. I own a laptop and a cell phone so I’m not battery free but ebikes suck for adding more large capacity lithium ions to the environment whether or not you already use other batteries

 @neatoneto: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Yes

 @gooral: yeah graphene tech looks cool, let’s hope for mainstream adoption.

 Does your parents know you are gay with ebike?

 @Brdjanin: Looool, is gay supposed to be offensive? Wrong century mate, there is nothing wrong with being gay and why should anyone care if someone is? Go back to your religious cave troglodyte. You really made me laugh mate, thank you

 @rp86: I hate this being brought up. Can you find one person who is saying that we need more tolerance across the board? What progressives are arguing for is having extending tolerance to marginalized groups.

 @zanda23:
Sorry, I didn't explain myself well - I was snarkily agreeing that the downvoted poster should shut up about it. I think the downvoted poster was suggesting it is unfair that they can't promote views intolerant to marginalised groups, and the only way for society to protect the marginalised is to not tolerate those intolerant views. Hence the 'paradox'

 It actually is too bad.

 certainly not an e-bike hater - one day im sure ill be there too. I just want some trail etiquette. Im really sick of an e-biker coming up behind me on a climb thinking they have the right of way and that I should get the hell out of there way right then and there.

im all for e-bikes, but e-bike and eat-bikes (comment above made me laugh) arent mixing well.

 @cirque4: couldn’t have said it better myself.

 The weight that's going around for the Ex-e seems really high considering the Orbea Rise is 16.5kg with a Shimano motor.

Hadn't heard about a new Levo SL - any info on that one?

 @pruss1: do you not allow faster riders on regular bikes to pass ?

 Always great when broped riders ignore rules like “no motorized vehicles on trail” and they get endless amounts of defenders who justify their actions. So, maybe I just hate the culture of people who feel like the rules don’t apply to them because they have a broped.

 @jsluse: you've never ridden on a closed or hiking trail?

 @pruss1: need to remember what most MTB riders were like in the early 90's. Zero trail etiquette.

Oh wait a lot of the kids out there riding regular MTB's have zero trail etiquette as well. Just need to focus on education of this new group.

 @jsluse: Show me the strava segment where the ebiker hurt your feelings.

 @jsluse: probably hates people who own more than 6 dildo's in Texas too

 @d-man: I don't know that it's an issue of faster rider. The downhill rider is always going to be faster than the uphill rider yet downhill riders need to yield to uphill traffic most places and that makes sense because getting started again after stopping mid-climb can be tough compared to stopping and getting going again on the down. By the same logic the e-bike rider (who can slow their pace or stop and start without issue) should be accommodating to riders who may have a hard time regaining their momentum if they had to stop to let them pass.

I also don't think there is an immediate obligation for a rider to let faster riders coming up behind get by. Common courtesy would dictate not hogging the trail if you're holding someone up but I'm not going to pull off a tight single track in the middle of a big uphill grunt if someone is behind me. I'll find a convenient spot and make room when it's suitable. I've also pedaled behind slower riders for a good stretch without complaining.

 I think Ranger92's post needs to be parsed out.

"The downhill rider is always going to be faster than the uphill rider yet downhill riders need to yield to uphill traffic most places and that makes sense because getting started again after stopping mid-climb can be tough compared to stopping and getting going again on the down."

This is referring to established off-road etiquette in the case of OPPOSING TRAFFIC and yielding to the uphill rider. This is not directly relevant to the situation of CONFLUENT TRAFFIC of differing speeds, but is meant to establish that the consideration is the ease with which a yielding rider can restart on loose terrain, and not-so-much-the highway etiquette of "slower-traffic yields for faster traffic".

"By the same logic the e-bike rider (who can slow their pace or stop and start without issue) should be accommodating to riders who may have a hard time regaining their momentum if they had to stop to let them pass."

This is now talking about CONFLUENT TRAFFIC on loose terrain, and applying the same consideration about ease of restarting.

I'm parsing this out because it was pretty easy to misinterpret intent given the less-than-precise terminology used. I had started out responding to a misinterpretation... but then realized mid-way what he was actually saying.

 @d-man: there is a big difference between someone coming up on you on a regular bike vs a an ebike. The speeds are totally different. Of course you let riders pass, why else would they have invented "on your left" or "rider up"? But having someone come out of nowhere, climbing at 5x your rate, and expecting you to stop everything to ensure their artificially supported ride is still fun is rude. In my opinion.

 @d-man: Yeah I do make way, but I know what he's complaining about. I'm in the red zone doing all I can to keep my momentum and some dude on an e-bike comes up and immediately shouts on your left, I'll give space when there is good place to but I'm certainly not messing up my rhythm to immediately make way for an e-bike going up hill.

 The nearly silent thing I'm not so sure about. The rest is spot on. Staring at 6.500€ up to 11.500€ for the top build, in Europe.

 @Woody25: having actually ridden a Rise the weight is definitely not 16.5kg but more like 18.5kg.

 @FarmerJohn: no - just Texas.

 @donjc451: Agree, and the worst is rolling trails where the e bike is faster on the uphills but you are faster in the downhills. So you keep catching up to each other. Had this happen to me recently and was super frustrating

 ...was a good incentive to go fast down the hills and try to catch the bastard tho

 @pruss1: e-bikes and eat-bikes. I absolutely love that terminology and I'm definitely going to use that from now on

 @pruss1: nah man, Calgary is just full of dickheads being on e bike or regular bike doesn't change a thing, faster riders are always unhappy behind you and hate just for your existence. They didn't spend 8k on the bike to pedal behind you for 60 secconds

 Too bad these stupid ebikes were ever made! Most of the ebikers where I'm from don't even help build the trails, let alone maintain them! they just ride down them twice as many times as regular bikes. E bikers " dang these trails just build themselves" It's more of a morality thing .

 @salespunk: But you didn’t need trail etiquette on an illegal trail that only mountain bikers were on.

 @pruss1: I agree however, a lot of time if I’m on my ebike I get guys and gals with music in both ears blasting. I think trail etiquette should be extra important for ebikes, but applies to MTB period.

 @chrisrut: How many mountain bikers show up for trail days in your area and how many people ride the trails?
I bet most of the mountain bikers don't help with the trails either.

 @d-man: alot! All the trails are built mostly by mtb riders or local mtb trail coalition's. Is there a plug on your ebike to attach your dildo?

 @chrisrut: alot? So how many people show up for a trail day? 20? Is that alot? Does your bike have a tissue dispenser?

 @d-man: Why are you so grumpy on these comments? Relax and ride your bike.

 @d-man: why do you keep asking me questions? Apparently you already know all the answers! Sorry can't spare a square, just wipe your tears on your arm sleeve!

 @chrisrut: when you make a bold statement on a public forum you better be prepared to back it up. You obviously lack the knowledge and maturity to do so.

 @d-man: again seems like you have all the answers! Effin goon. Lol. You know me so well from those two statements, and I don't need your Two cents old guy everybody already knows everything you just stated about the internet. Thanks for the reminder I guess

 @chrisrut: I know all I need to know about you from your 3 posts. Young, dumb and classless.

 @d-man: and you're a sensitive sally getting butthurt cause e bikes are lame like your bike skills! I don't think the mt. Bike community cares much about class ! This isn't crew! But you have no idea what class is anyways . All you do is troll everybody ! Are you mad because you can't go ride your precious ebike because the battery is charging! Lol

 This hits home. I often drive my f350 to get milk. It’s actually a 2.4 mile drive, though, so I think I’m in the clear?

 For some reason, large SUVs and pickups are fetishized in this country the same way guns are.

It’s embarrassing how many people in my neck of the woods drive Raptors to their accounting jobs. I’d bet the only off-road terrain a majority of them see is accidentally driving up on a curb in the Starbucks drive-thru.

 @UnInc126: I agree... one of my jobs is in an office, and there's more than a few lifted vehicles there. My f350 comment is only half way a joke. I typically commute in a Honda Acty, and mostly leave the big trucks (my wife and I both have f350s) for farm work and horses. But hey, even if I weren't in an area that fetishized big trucks, I'd still think they're cool. Because they are.

 Idiotic? I bet if you could afford one you would have one instead of a 1979 Lada lol

 @UnInc126: uhm because, I can tow my motorcycle while I carry my wife, two kids, and two dogs. I can also do deliveries for my business. Trucks are awesome. When they make an electric truck that can recharge in less than a half hour I’ll happily get one.
Or if I could miniaturize my family somehow maybe we could get a rav4 prime… or maybe Taycan???

 @thechunderdownunder: I don’t hate trucks, I work construction and haul shit with one every day. I’m just making an observation that they are not the best option for the health of our planet as a daily driver, and calling that out causes a weirdly aggressive reaction from a lot of people.

 @UnInc126: funny people criticize a pickup truck being bad for the environment but yet the elites like Bill Gates continue to cruise around the oceans burning more fuel than a small city of vehicles does in a year.

 @UnInc126: consumerism is bad for the planet, and I think most of us on PB are rabid consumers.

 @UnInc126: I get annoyed because the people that call other people out tend to not have any sense of their own hypocrisy. They think trucks are evil but the tend to drive luxury SUVs or crossovers that get similar gas mileage, or fly to Hawaii or Mexico multiple times a year, or have 3 Teslas in the driveway, or have Amazon deliveries coming night and day. My point? We are all f*cked. But space bubbles so…

 Lol you say that as your country and Russia are ruining more of the atmosphere than the rest of the planet right now!

 @chrisrut: whelp it is rUSSIA and it's russist government foult, Ukraine only defends itself and does it heroically

 looks like a GT Sensor

 Looks like a GT Session

 @NorthEasternDownhiller: my thoughts exactly, what are they playing at?

 @NorthEasternDownhiller: has been discussed heavily on the other site. Really surprised Trek went so far out of it's design pattern. New GT sensor still looks good and recognizable GTish. ;-)

 Looks heavy

 Looks like a moped

 If that is true, then the Orbea Rise H series is still the king of the lightweight segment IMO.

 @carters75: I love the handling of the RIse but really don't care for the motor clatter when coasting on the EP8. The Levo SL does not have the clatter but has a pretty good whine at cadence. The new TQ motor on the Trek is allegedly nearly silent. It will be interesting to read the reviews

 Going to guess it has adjustable geo as well. Headset / BB / progression.

 @Larsey: Allegedly Shimano has corrected the noise from their EP8 motor which from my experience wasnt anything more than a bit of noise. Nobody likes to hear it but I dont believe it limits performance or adds to wear and tear

 Just yesterday they were on a dealers website before they disappeared today. 11500€ for top level AXS GX build with approx 18-19kg and 6500€ for "budget" slx built with 20-21kg. Not that impressive, considering it's got only 140/150mm travel. Cool is, that the battery should be somehow removebal. Not as easy as existing systems, but way easier than the built-in batteries in Orbeas Rise or Forestal.
Looks good too. Very interested in the performance of the TQ Motor. Great times if you're into Light-E-Bikes.

 Hmm I did 5400 on a rail in trail eco and didn’t run out of battery…

 This is way to subjective- your body weight, wheel/tire rotational weight, terrain(deep sand or hardpack), headwinds and so on all factor into the efficiency of any eBike. Just because you in particular couldnt complete 3500ft on your 625wh equipped bike isnt the battery or motors shortcoming, it is likely how, what and where you ride

 That’s some crazy stats. My 2,200ft vertical ride today just snuck in under 2 hours with only me powering the bike, and I’m a pretty slow climber.

If you were on a normal bike I would tell you to do a couple rides in a harder gear than normal and see what happens.

 @FarmerJohn:

Yep, over 200 lb rider here on 52lb bike that pushes my Rail about as hard (torque) wise as regular bike. Lots of rotational with heavier rims, DH casing tires with CushCore and higher gears (10 spd, 11-36 w/34 ring). If go all ECO on climbs can squeeze out 4k tops. All riding either hardpack trail or road climbs to mixed trail surface DH’s. 625wh battery is weak and seems to get weaker over time. Always makes me a little nervous when drop a bar the first mile or two into ride. Buddy who ways more, as heavy bike gets at least 35% more range on his Spesh Levo and rides similar to me on same terrain. Seems to be much more efficient use of juice in my opinion. I hope to be in a more efficient ebike myself one day. Have no use for Turbo or more torque assist, so likely smaller, more efficient motor the way to go like a Kennevo SL. Be interesting to see what comes out in next 1-2 years with lighter weight more efficient ebikes

 I mean, this is the new Fuel. No doubt they'll release the non-e version in a couple of months. It was pretty obvious they were going this route with an e and non-e version, based on the new Top Fuel.

 can confirm
www.pinkbike.com/photo/22876717

 Get Rad!

 With plenty more infos... PB are respecting the embargo, fair enough

 Pretty unfair. More realistic would be the body fat percentage of people who ride ebikes vs. Those who don't ride at all. I don't know any fit rider who ditched the normal bike for an e-bike, I know lots of people who'd be unable to ride uphill long enough to have some fun downhill without an e-bike. And don't tell me it's a matter of training, most people can afford only a limited time riding.

 Sadly, it's not that light though.

 TQ motor with a 360wh battery. Supposed to be dead silent but who knows.

 It’s not a Fauza. I’ve seen the bike. It’s impressive.

 HMU

 I hope that the battery is removable like Trek's super caliber E, I think that's a new and cool concept, I'd love a battery to commute, but I'll never ride an E-bike every week on normal trails.

 I think your dreaming and that the sales will actually fall. Heaps of people have tried them and went back to an mtb. You bag out quick rider's on strava because your slow and jealous. We've had motorcycles for a long time but we have still ridden our mtbs because we enjoy it. Just because you don't like mtb doesn't mean the rest of us don't. It's a hobby not a mode of transport so comparing it to cars is stupid. It's called a mountainbike not acoustic bike. Enjoy your e,bike but stop trying to make excuses for being a bad rider. The good rider's will always go for a mountain bike.

 @darthsarge: Truth is I grew up on the shore and have been riding longer than you've been alive Most of my favorite mountains are not shuttleable and involved a lil blood, sweat and tears on an acoustic to get to the top. So just because I'm a realist doesn't mean I don't like mtbing.

Oh and I have three mountain bikes, but claim away. My point is that light-long range emtbs are the future, kinda of like 27.5 were, I mean 29ers. Had to listen to all the whining Freds back then too Talk to any shop here, sales are up and people are interested. I'm just saying as the tech, especially battery tech matures sales and demand will continue to rise. Just ask Transition why they joined the 'dark' side lol

See ya at the top!

 @bctrailblazer68: doesn’t really sound like you grew up atl - just got older and slower

 @cirque4: Well that happens to us all. Still young at heart and having a great time though. Enjoy your salty crackers

 @bctrailblazer68: What's an "acoustic bike"?

 @bananowy: banjo bike!

 Cut it anyway you want. An ebike is not a mountain bike.

 @Schmidt911: how do you define mountain bike?

 Well, on the 12th actually.

 The one with the computer sticking out is the old Rail, the new one's silhouette doesn't have that protrusion so it would seem they've now engineered it into the top tube.

 @Lokirides: ahaa gotcha

 @Lokirides: Or done what Orbea did and give it a micro/minimalist display?

 Are non-e bikers supposed to be triggered by this? Because I'm definitely not triggered when someone needs help to pass me on the climbs.

 Facts

 We just assume your slower than us up and down on a mtb so you cheated. We just feel sad for you,embarrassed even not hate.

 @darthsarge: Hows it cheating? Is it a race? Are we being timed and tested? You seriously should lay off of strava and go out and enjoy your ride and quit worrying about others. The fact that you feel sad for other trail users because they don't do it exactly like you is telling because you know what we feel for you? Nothing. In fact I'd bet most ebikers don't think of you at all.

 @carters75: I think you know the answers to your questions. Don't play dumb.

 Nobody buys an ebike because they are fast.

 @jray152 What's an "acoustic bike"?

 @bananowy: I think it’s like a guitar? You can strum the chain and it plays like strings of a guitar

 That is because they are not mountain bikes. They are motor cycles.

 Did you come up with that by yourself? (eyeroll)

 Says the guy who takes his seat off his bike and leaves the dropper on