Perhaps the most thought provoking product ever?
Whatever your circumstances nobody wants to break their neck do they? Our Moto-X friends have shown us the way, should you follow?
You decide...
Firstly, please can I ask you to read this from Tara Llanes as I sent her an e-mail asking for her opinion a while ago on neck braces and this is exactly what she said after she fractured her C7 vertabrae:
Si,
No, of course I don't mind you asking!! This brace NEEDS to be shoved into the face of every pro mountain biker on the circuit. Even I should have been wearing one. I mean so what that I wasn't racing DH, I was still doing about 15-20 mph hitting a super tricky rhythm section and any lapse of judgement could have been bad. Obviously I proved that theory correct!
I know Sam and a lot of those younger kids aren't even wearing f@#king knee and shin guards! I mean I know they all think they are invincible but at the speeds they are going these days and with the technology of the bikes plus the courses that are being built and always being raced in the pouring rain. You add all those together and serious injury can happen in a heartbeat. I am going to push that brace to every rider I see. I don't want to be a pain or will I be. I just want to make that point because I don't want to see anyone of my friends or even riders that I don't know go through what I am going through right now.
If only it had been out a little longer and I knew more about it. If you look at the Super Cross races this year I believe the majority of riders are wearing them and good for them. I don't want to sound like a hypocrite...I just didn't know enough about them and also didn't think I would need one while racing 4x. It's clear I was wrong because anything can happen to anyone.
Okay okay...enough ranting and raving.
Take care and talk soon!
Cheers,
Tx
Never Give Up!Tara Llanes Road to Recovery
Fully decked out..
So how do they work? Well I'm no spinal surgeon so I can't and won't go into the finer details of breaking your neck and damaging your spinal cord..
•Hyper flexion- Extreme bending of the neck forward displaces vertebrae and can pinch the cord.
•Hyper flexion with rotation- can twist the cord.
•Hyperextension- extreme bending of the neck backwards.
•Axial loading- compression of the spine- often found in diving injuries.
In simple mans terms it restricts any extreme range of movement of your neck to which your head is attached. The platform collar that completely encompasses your head for the full 360 degrees is the key part. It stops your head tilting too far forward, back or to the side which can damage your spinal cord. Then it also stops the classic head first, power driving into a tree or upslope of a take off (Tara) and compression of the spine. Often a common injury for Brits abroad in Ibiza diving into a shallow swimming pool at 03:00 rather drunk.
The spines main two jobs are to carry and protect the spinal cord and the main structural part of the skeleton. The spinal cord transports all the control messages from your brain (not much for you lot then) down and through to several key areas of your body such as your bladder, arms and legs etc.
The spinal cord is super fragile and any damage to it will cause you massive issues. The higher the damage to the spinal cord the more vital parts of your body are goosed, proper.
Damage high up is nasty, think Christoper Reeve who broke his C3. If your phrenic nerve is affected there goes your diagragm which is a muscle that lets you breath. That could mean you are on a ventilator for the rest of your life.
I personally have been running a Leatt Sport neck brace since December 2007 and don't leave home without it.
I suppose after spending the best part of your weeks wages on one of these you must wear it, the only dilemma is when? We all know that accidents always seem to happen when we least expect them. Solution? Wear it all the time, that is your decision.
Then there is the pressure from parents if you're a kid. I have been at every race every weekend for the past few years and I've never met a parent yet that won't scrimp on safety gear for their kids.
Fact: We introduced an 18 or under full armour rule at the NPS and not one parent complained.
What if you're newly married and have kids or one on the way? Well you can still live your life if a little restricted with a broken collar bone or two. A broken neck or damaged spine is not even worth thinking about is it. Talking of collar bones, plenty of rumours about these Leatts displacing the force onto your shoulders and word is that they can break your collar bone. O.K you have a big slam and you've broken your collar bone, just think what you could have done. My glass is always half full, what about yours?
Lots of gossip about using these Leatts with MTB lids. To help you out I measured a medium TLD Moto-X Lid against a D2. No surprise that the Moto-X lid was wider and therefore touched down at the sides sooner than the D2. Now for the surprise, the D2s mouth piece stuck out further than the Moto-X lid!
WARNING: PLEASE NEVER WEAR YOUR NECK BRACE WITHOUT YOUR HELMET. Now I know that may sound really obvious, what I am talking about is wearing it before or after the race. The medics have warned me that if you ever fell or tripped over (especially backwards) whilst wearing the brace you could be really f*&ked (medical term). As the brace would almost act as a pivot point on your neck and the added leverage and weight of your head and the force of the fall could damage your spinal cord and kill you or put you in a wheel chair. Now imagine of your lid was undone or not correctly attached during a crash? Helmet flies off and you gambole down the hill with your neck brace contacting the floor and your head slapping around in several directions, great!
Straps included
FITTING:
Now according to Dr.Leatt these neck braces are supposed to sit as close to the body as possible, especially the rear spine. We've done a lot of research into adjusting your race kit to ensure optimum fitting, this is what we found works.
Clunk, Click, Every Trip.
First off whilst wearing your body armour open the neck brace from either of the clips located on both the left or right hand side of the brace and put on, sliding the rear spine under the back plate. Note Dainese and the top of the range 661 suits allow you to do this. You do not have to remove the back plate as the Leatt Thoracic (spinal extension part) slides in there nicely!
The 661 pressure suits and Dainese that have a removeable removable spine, you know the ones with the zips either side are the best bit of kit to match with a Leatt. For those running something like a 661 Core Saver you'll need to get a sharp knife out. Unless you have the new Core Saver that will be out in Europe in a few months time. That will have removable back plates specifically for Leatt neck braces.
I'm sure you can sew better than me.
If you're wondering why we're cutting up our best race shirt, it's so the elasticated straps that come from around the back and your front can be connected. This will then stop the Leatt neck brace bouncing up and down and hitting the underside of your lid as you rally down the track.
Scissors are dangerous, get an adult to help you at this stage.
Top Tip: Don't wear your goggles backwards with the strap under your peak. This will mean when the goggles sit on the back of the lid they will foul the brace and restrict head movement.
My Nan would be proud of me..
As the promoter of the U.K National DH Series there has already been speculation on the forums whether or not these will be compulsory in the near future. I can clearly state that we strongly recommend every rider wears the appropriate safety gear available. This is available now and is appropriate.
Will it be compulsory, should it be? You tell me, please post below!
Usual questions:
What size Leatt-Brace will I need?
The Kids/Small size usually suits anyone between the age of 4 – 14 years of age with a thin build which includes women, Tyler, Mikey and Jordan.
The Adult/Large size is for anyone who is over 16 years of age with an average to large build. I wear a large and I'm 5ft 6ins.
What if I break her?
There are Worldwide distributors in place though do note Leatt aren't that forth coming on their replacement policy. What they say is that if you break it which is highly unlikely that means it's done it's job correctly. You will need to buy your replacement spares.
What is the difference between the Leatt-Braces?
First answer is safety wise they are all as good as each other. It all comes down to adjustability and then pose factor! Yes they all come with straps. Just note the TLD one comes with clear poser straps.
The Club, Sport and TLD models come with the collar-platform adjustment built in both front and rear.
To make sure she sits comfortably with your lid there are small adjuster bolts front and rear that tilt the neck collar platform either up or down by a small amount. My top tip here is to whack them right down for maximum head movement as we are riding downhill.
Vertical slotted back adjusters
Now look closely at the vertical thorasic and the Allen key head on the red part of the brace in the middle. This is available on all models in the Leatt range including the Adventure. Unscrew that and the Thoracic slides out and if your a skinny dude you slide the two spacers away from your back and slot that forward. From this picture you can see I'm running it on the middle setting as you can just see one spacer. If I was a fatty then I'd push the two spacers forward and run the thorasic right back. Realistically there is only several millimetres of adjustability but it all helps.
More adjustability which is available on every Leatt including the Adventure.
See the black nylon curved spacer between the Allen key head and the Troy Lee sticker? Well this is the medium spacer. If you have a giraffe neck then there is a zero spacer which means the two red parts will almost touch. Thus reducing the length of the neck brace. There is also a large spacer that will elongate the neck brace by almost 1cm. These all come free with every Leatt along with the straps for fitting. These spacers easily pop in and out in under 30 seconds.
The Leatt ADVenture is 199.99GBP. Constructed from Glass Reinforced Nylon upper and lower, non-adjustable and weighs 950grams.
No adjustment at the rear for the platform collar on the Adventure. There is minor adjustment back and forth for the Thoracic (spinal extender)
No adjustment at the front on the Adventure
The Leatt Club is 324.99GBP and is constructed from Glass Reinforced Nylon in both its upper and lower sections and weighs 850grams. Full adjustment of the collar as standard.
The Leatt Sport is 399.99GBP and is constructed from Glass Reinforced Nylon lower section and a Carbon Fiber upper and weighs 780grams and is fully adjustable.
The Leatt TLD Limited Edition
This is mega bucks at £449.99 and is constructed from a Glass Reinforced Nylon lower section and a Carbon Fiber upper and weighs 780grams and is fully adjustable.Leatt Brace are South African based, we saw them at the World Cup round 1 handing them out to the top riders for free. I first saw Vanessa Quinn wearing one over two years ago, we know Gracia wears one as does Bryceland, so my only question, when will we see Greg Minnaar in one?
South African Karl Prestwood is the U.K disty.
http://www.kpr-motocross.com/ FINAL WORDS: Don't have nightmares. Serious neck and back injuries are very rare and I'm not writing this article to scare you. Hopefully you now have a whole bunch of facts and thoughts that will allow you to make an informed decision.
If you're ever at a race here in the U.K., I always have a spare one you can try on and take for a spin.
Stay Unclipped.
Si Paton.
Descent-Gear.com 2010 Boxxers Landing Start of June
Problem is, whats the best way to get around this!? If anyone has a way please tell me!
there is a cheaper version, Danny heart wears it, so it can't be as bad! i think they are just over £100,
Really, it bums me out that they're going around at races handing them out to pros for free when they can only afford to do so because Joe Public is handing over £400+ a time. How about letting their sponsors pick up the tab (as is said, it's a small price to keep your top athletes at the top)? Maybe if our industry was playing on a level pitch the vast majority of riders would find these products more affordable.
But yea, it is sorry that they are so expensive, but there's a lot of research and work that goes into it.
The neck brace would have to be practically useless (i.e. worthless) for teams to only want one if it's free. I think we both agree that they are worthwhile protective gear - that's why team pros are using them, not because they were handed out free.
It was a PR stunt - in my eyes, gone bad.
Giving them out to pros is a way of getting themselves seen out there, for sure, but it wasn't free. All of those braces - and, I daresay, their crash replacements - have been paid for out of the pocket of the people this article/infomercial is targetting.
I'm putting it out there, I think this company has behaved badly with respect to their pricing structure and their promotional strategy. There are ways and ways of doing things my friends, and I'm not about to start making excuses for what I think is poor corporate behaviour. Just my two cents, cheers.
1) They're amazing pieces of kit that will potentially save your neck your life.
2) Leatts are expensive, there's point wearing a Leatt unless your going to wear a full, complete body suit and finally its all fashion.
The end. Make up your own mind!
Personally I think they're great. One day when I can afford one, I'll get one.
Product is spot on, Pricing is exorbitant, Promotion is dubious and from a consumer perspective (those with the money thus the power) they need competition (or their patent to expire, whatever)
also it looks like it would be very uncomfortable for people who have previously broken their collar bone.
Nice to see you included a wentwood dh pic
breaking your neck (worst chance of survival)
or murdered by your wife when the credit card bill comes through (slightly better chance but not much)
im sure 661 do a neck brace and yh might not offer same amount of protection but its alot easier on the wallet
but any protection is better then none right ?
at the end of the day how much do you value your own life and all that tbh
as for when to wear it, i started just using it at parks but now i use it more. basically if i am wearing my full face ill put the leatt on because its so low profile and out of the way you dont really notice it.
Reality is that people get scared or just straight sold on the idea, demand picks up (like it will especially if made compulsory) and now they've covered their R&D costs with two units sold, allllmost all turnover (eg almost all of the £550) is profit.
I dont like it, but this is how capitalism works. Amongst the marketing hype and the friendly sales pitch, they care about their balance sheet and profit ratio - not the welfare of me n my friends.
And your completely right raveglia, we get completely ripped off in this biking market but the companies know that we wil buy the products cause we're hooked on the sport lol
- Get well soon Tara Llanes!
If you bought a Leatt, and from that day never crashed in a way that could harm your neck then so be it. You could call it a waste of money.
But if you end up eating through a straw then I guess you'll be having seconds thoughts via your electronic voice generator.
As I hope I've pointed out, no mountainbiker who has fallen could say that about gloves.
Wont be making that mistake again!
Leatts = good. Roast dinner through a straw = bad.
I have been back racing now and it gives me great peace of mind and I have already had a fall that it probably helped out a lot with. I think it would be hard to justify the expense if you are not racing, but if you do race it is worth it and you don't even feel it when it is on.
Unfortunately it will not help out very much with Thorasic injuries like Gsnickets'. Hope you make a full recovery!!
ive also heard this about hard type braces but never any one i know, also the thing about if the head suddenly stops moving the brain can carry on moving inside the skull an cause brain damage(some body got thier comment hidden for suggesting this)sombody i know had this happen to his liver,it got torn in half when he hit the back of a landing
i dont know if its true but,knowing this makes me want one of the big spongy types
Right know he's walking around with a tower around his neck made out of steel tubes and it doesn't look comfortable at all. The good point is that all of a sudden some of the kids are wearing leatt braces and mine is on its way, too.
No reason to be scared, but good writing in here and sometimes people need an extra hint to make a decision.
but
i'm not ashamed to say i'm also racing on a budget, i dont earn alot an i dont have a sponsor or a rich daddy to buy me stuff an take me racing
altough i think these braces are a great piece of protection i think the price is very unreasonable! the cheapest being £199!!
i just wanna say that if neck braces where made compolsery it would end my racing,,,an a lot of other riders,,,
i got my MX helmet for £40!! worth £125! £85 reduction purely cos it was last years color way!!!!!
sale rail shopin keeps me in the sport
but i dont think we're ever gonna see such reductions with this product?
i agree you cant put a price on a broken spine but, for me its no brace or no racing
something the people calling for braces to be mandetory to think about
p.s does any body make jerseys with the holes already in? all nicely sewn in, i wouldnt wanna hack away at a new jersey either!
Do you spend $4k on a new dh bike, and no brace, or $3k on slightly lesser bike and $1k on safety gear?
I have an evs brace if it makes you feel better It's cheaper in price, and I don't know how much that impacts it's performance in a crash. I don't always wear it because it does not fit as well as I would wanted to, so to add to all this discussion, no matter what you get, make sure that it fits and feels good, so you potentially use it more. I don't wear it always when I'm just riding for fun, but if I'm going to go compete or push the limits, I put it on as an extra safety factor.
The point to all this is to let people know about a type of product. You may not be a racer, and may never push the edge of riding and therefore are less likely to have a large crash, so the likely hood of getting benefit of this product goes down. If you are racing, or pushing your own boundaries every time you ride, it's more likely that such a product would benefit you more. It's all a relative thing, not absolute.
the adventurer model is only £200 pounds so they arent that bad! i think they should be made compulsary for DH racing, body armour just stops cuts and bruises, if you are going to crash and break an arm the body armour wont stop that!
We need to adjust our priorities in this sport and get with the program, we have done this with bike technology, but we can't stop there.
I feel this should manditory for all U18 racers. If you start there and then by the time the youngest racers are in Elite they will all be wearing the brace and it will be standard equipment.
Great product, and I've already put it to the test riding Moto, and it saved my butt... errr... my neck/back.
numbers anybody ?
zk
I think it will be hard to make these compulsory in national events, but would arguably be the best idea, especially now the younger riders seem to have really stepped up the pace in the past 3 years. the problem is mainly, as mentioned, the price of the brace. although when compared to the latest D2 everyone "needs" they aren't relatively expensive at all. the problem will lie with the occasional racer and the rookies who fancy giving it a go but aren't fully committed yet. maybe it would be worth having a selection to rent at events/sell with discount from race entries?? this would make them more mainstream and acceptable for the fashion whores and hopefully you could then introduce the ruling in a season or two (so you can't be "flamed" for pushing the sales/renting/monopolising etc).
Anywho, great read, and was needed.
Wassell
I don't want to make the morbid leap of saying "Hmm, I might break my neck today riding my bike, let's get the Leatt out". Equally, I don't want to put on a peice of equipment that increases my chances of Clavicle injury more than it decreases the chance of neck injury.
There is plenty of evidence that full face helmets and pads prevent injury in downhill MTB crashes. The evidence that Leatt neck braces don't do more damage than they prevent is not yet conclusive, and I should hope that the organisers of competitions base compulsory equipment requirements on evidence and not marketing.
Leatt had a very "lucky break" (if you can excuse the unintentional pun) with their introduction to MTB sport, with three or four high profile neck injuries within a very short time.
Si, with your position as both a main seller of the products, and as a BC commisarre and as the organiser of the UK's National Points Series, I think it would be wholly inappropriate and a massive conflict of interests for you to decide upon, or even push in one direction the decision on whether these devices are made compulsory in British racing.
We just recently have begun to see an increase of BMX and Mountain Bike racers who are starting to wear the neck braces as well.
I agree that the prices can prevent some people from buying a neck brace but eventually I think people will see it as necessary as a helmet, boots and body armour.
The manin reason the not every rider here in norway use them i think is becuase of the price, the price of the Club is around 4000kr about 400GBP. and if you want Sport you need to hand out 100GBP more..
I heard the the ADVenture isn't the best choise cuz of lake of adjustments that makes it unconf..
I am thinking of buying the Club these sesson, i am riding now and i will ride more in the future, and its an items that stays with you, so why not buying it now and be MORE safe, than later?
ne...I really dont want to take that risk at all. If I could afford one, i would wear it riding 24/7. I saw A LOT of people riding these at whistler, yes most of them were sponsored, but hell they looked cool wearing them lol. I know its not the purpose, but these things do actually look pretty sweet when you wear one and everybody knows EXACTLY what it is.
Looks, protection, peace of mind coincides with better riding because your more confident that your not gonna get as seriously hurt in a crash. For most people the price is warranted, but like i always say "Hells yes i want it! just to goddamn bad I cant afford it", is probably the case for most riders
that being said do you think there should be a new gold standard to have these built in to your regular Pressure suit or armor?
obviously price is a non issue when you consider your life.
But most riders spend 150-200 on a full face. and i doubt you will see all of em rushing out to spend 4 times that on neck support real fast.
everybody should be riding with a leatt brace, and there is no point in talking about other manufacturers, the leatt brace is the only one to get.
www.evs-sports.com/store/?category_id=21&item_id=216
but at super high speeds like 60-70 over whoops (desert racing) it can actually just transfer all the pressure from your neck to the thoracic region of your back and break it. This happened to one pro desert racer when he was practicing the Barstow to Vegas race...
just thought i'd throw that out there
also, are the mountain bike braces the same as the ones for moto? i kinda figured they would be a little different, maybe lighter too (like the helmets).
and i don't think there's any difference (yet) between the ones for moto and mtb... there prolly will be sometime in the near future tho...
I bought utica full body armor which should get the shittiest safety gear design award, I dont ride it cuz its heavy, too warm and everything slides around! Then i bought just the dainese evo turtle with vented back - its a masterpiece - its light, i dont get hot in it at all, just like a second skin, i take it even for enduro trips when its under 20 celsius.
Every safety gear you buy must be so comfy and so reliable in belief that you dont wear it just because of fear of consequences - you wear it because you like it!
TLD lid or equal: 250$
dainese body armor or equal: 350$
dainese armor under pants: 100$
661 lite knee pads or equal: 60$
Leatt brace: 450$
1200$ - is that a high price for insurance for around 5 years?
You pay for insurance for your house so in case it burns down you get some money to buy a new house.
Buying protection gear is like putting a sprinkler system in your house, better fire alarms, anti flame drywall, better electric wiring, etc. You don't want it to burn down in the first place.
If I "burn down" and become a paraplegic no amount of money is going to buy me a new neck.
Insurance is something that helps you deal with a bad situation.
In my view, prevention is a much better way to go.
I agree with you...
$1200 is a small price to pay for prevention.
But - it is a great idea. should be compulsory at races. The price puts me off for sure. I wonder how much R&D goes in to pressure suits? Prices for them are reasonable...
bay one. you'll feel a hell of a lot safer riding with it.
The Adventure is £200 (yes still a lot of money) and has all the bells and whistles and safety wise is as good as the top end models.
You don't seem to have read my comment properly. I use all my gear every time I ride, all of it is neccesary. A leatt is not, beacuse if you use it you've just had a gnarly crash, which thankfully rarely happens. Your clearly don't know right from wrong, because charging that is not acceptable. And stop shout and swearing please, act your age,
it would give me so much more confidence on the hill
i mean ever since i got my pressure suit ive been ripping 2-300% better because i know if i fall the protection is there
(false sense of security?)
i have a leatt, i took a header this past week.. the device has already paid it self off due to the fact that im not in a wheelchair right now
Another option for budget racers like me!
Being on a tight budget (Nothing at all really) I cant afford one atm but when I can I will defo be getting one and wearing it every time I put my full facer on!
of they were not expensive i would definitely get one
raveglia - I dont need a lesson in economics from you, thank you. £178 isn't a lot no more than a decent helmet.
OK kiddo, im not going to keep replying to all your replies - I actually have a job that pays for these very expensive things so cant waste the time not energy.
Enjoy spending your time in the Dole queue and arguing on websites, very productive pass time that. Try your luck on Monster.co.uk in stead ... or alternatively I hear MCDonalds are hiring
www.mcdonalds.co.uk/career/crew-page/crew-page.shtml
Are you off your face on drugs or do you just work for these guys?
I didn't say that, maybe you aren't reading right because of the drugs you must be taking if you think your neck isn't worth the cost of a brace, mine is!
And no I don't work for them I work for me, no sick pay, no redundancy payouts just loss of money if I'm injured.
T
I paraphrased for clarity. correct me if the meaning is any different. Cool, that's great, you're 42, self employed and you sound as though money is okay. Im 21, my employer has wound up and Im flat broke. It's easy to forget the cost if you can pay it.
Concidering I ride a bike which the forks for cost 1175 quid, brakes in excess of 350, a frame that would cost 2250 quid now, body armour and helmet 300quid, I don't think a neck brace is a lot to add on, and as I said 270 of ebay I thought it was a good deal. CRC would do 12 months interest free on the club. (one day I will eventually finish paying for it all )
Once you go down the line of wearing body armour and a helmet I can see no logical arguament for not wearing a neck brace, its just a continuation of the same thing you have already bought into. Now as far as money goes, Leatt havent put up their prices in the last 12 months as far as I can see so I think they are good in comparison to say... Shimano, Yeti, Intense...
'Raveglia'
it is a buisness, buisnesses are there to make money end of...
if your so worried about how much it costs, the time you spent whining on here you could have probably earnt the money to buy one.
i own one of these infact i bought it off Si himself and i had a bad crash the very next run... landing straight on my head, i cracked the rear plate. it has saved my neck alot of times.
if anything it is less likely to break your collar bone as most collar bone breaks are a direct result of the helmet hitting the clavicle.
this is not 100% going to save your neck if you had a crash beyond the threshold of protection. it also transfers the energy from the cervicle vertebrae further down into the thoracic region of the spine... for this reason i modified my spine board so i can wear this just over the top, it has never slipped or resticted my movement. although when i crash it does the job perfectly.
saying the fact we are all here typing so it would have been a waste of money, is like saying why wear a seat belt i havent had a crash yet. The fact is an accident happens at any time and in any way, whether it be landing on your head or just slidding along the ground getting some grazes, personally id rather wear the brace and when i have a bad crash have my get out of 'jail free card'
the question is can you not afford one.
rant over
If you know of somewhere I can earn £400 in a couple of hours without whoring myself, let me know. Otherwise save the 'probably's.
Great, undebated.
Great, wonderful.
Right on the money, but seatbelts come free when you buy a car.
The answer is 'no'.
Retort done.
no u dont hav too were armor infact it is easyer not to
and there not expensive now reli are they?
iv seen one for 159 quid weres i paid 320 for my one
and if ur not too kein oon the leitt ones then hav a look around the mx shope coz there is alot of alternitives like the alpinestars one
but over all there well worth having and in time will be compulsery