Video: How a $12 Million NZD, 40 Mile MTB Trail Came to Life

Jul 6, 2020 at 15:20
by tomwoodwardvideos  

A brand new 40-mile MTB trail has just been completed after a 3-year effort to push it through the virgin wilderness. This video chronicles how it was built and how the money got spent.


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 A week ago I got tested and came positive for covid. My first idea was to use my time to build jumps in my backyard, wrong, although my symptoms are not as bad as I have read, I cant do much. Now, what I been able to do is leave lots of First Comments here on pinkbike.. I guess I’m doing something bike related
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 youre still failing...Smile get better soon!
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 I had the covid too, worst cough and tight lungs you could ever imagine, and Im a healthy 34 year old who didnt believe it was real until I became bedridden with a fever and severe joint aches to start with... it suuucked! It goes just as quickly as it comes tho thankfully
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flag aljoburr (Jul 7, 2020 at 5:44) (Below Threshold)
 @ctd07: Would you be interested too know that reason China did not inform people earlier, was that were working out a trade deal with USA, the pandemic was a get out clause?
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 @aljoburr: don't fool for the American propaganda / scapegoating, Oz has corona because they let a bunch of idiots off a cruise boat, probably American, every government has its own corruption and failings, there was plenty of warning from China long before it kicked off in other countries
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 @ctd07: Not sure American propaganda has any thing to do with it?
But plenty of scapegoats & every ones dependence on Chinese made products should end!
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 @ctd07: so many people don’t believe in COVID until they get it, that is some stupid and sad. Maybe make it a point to spread the truth?

Oh, congrats on getting better Wink
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 64 kilometres as we stopped using miles by 1976.
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 Yup now including the Brazilian president! Hopefully Trump will get it next @nurseben:
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 @enduroNZ: Or will Trump die from drinking the wrong type of disinfectant?
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 I could watch a whole video series of this. Working in those conditions is tough enough, not having a hot shower at home to look forwards to is just brutal. Those guys are cut from a different cloth.
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 well hey there, Phil!
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 Nah, just Kiwi's at heart. Razz
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 I really did not enjoy this film. Even the music seemed to revel in the concept of blasting and cutting your way through the environment to build a flow trail. On one hand the narrator talks about it being a pristine environment and one of the last strongholds of key species and the next shot is dynamite porn and huge old growth trees being blown up or cut down. If you know anything about old growth forest you would know how old those trees that were being cut down were. Was it really worth the destruction instead of rerouting and there being the odd climb. Every trail built does cause some destruction but there is a fundamental difference between the kind of forest most trails are built in and those of rare old growth variety like this. I really did not like the way this video seemed to glorify destruction of pristine habitat as 'pioneering' and I question the environmental credentials. Makes me wonder if NZ does environmental impact assessments and if this trail had one.....
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 There is no way to build a 40 mile flow trail through dense forest without removing a few trees. It looks like they did an absolutely incredible job preserving just about as much as possible on their journey! Only way to completely avoid harming pristine old growth forest is to never ride bikes in it, which seems a bit overkill.
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 Completely agree. If it takes that much work to build a trail through a pristine forest, maybe that's nature telling you something. If you really feel it's important to build a trail through this area, use methods that are less destructive. You shouldn't be cutting down trees that size and using dynamite to build a mountain bike trail. Also, if you're dealing with that much mud and rain during construction, I seriously wonder how sustainable the trail is.
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 @axcooper: 12m$ thats how unsustainable it is. Shit ton of money.
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 Agree. Hundreds of miles of trails in BC that go around trees that size. 12 inch wide trails are fantastic, they just don't have any flow, and also have the added benefit of keeping speed down in the case of 2-way traffic.
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 The process might offend your sensitivity, but the result is an intact ecosystem that's not really impoverished at all. It just includes humans now. If only this could be the model for our existance on this planet...
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 If the environmental governing body in New Zealand is anything like it is here in Aus (which it would), there is no way it would've been approved unless an environmental impact study was done. Spare me the complaint of a 1500mm wide trail being built while ski resorts level entire hill sides.
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 I suppose National Parks shouldn't contain any trails for people to get into them and appreciate it? Looks like they did a good job of routing it. That's tough country to go through. NZ has a tight regulatory process. I would say the film didn't glorify the destruction, but rather just showing the efforts gone to create the trail. It was made by the construction crew who's point of view will
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 @Deep-Friar: That's about Fifty Bucks US dollars.
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 @DavidGuerra: If wanting to protect pristine areas is a sensitivity then yeah maybe. Have you ever thought a out how many species rely on an old growth tree...clearly not. Newsflash - this type of approach to pristine areas is the model for our current existence.
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 @Billjohn6: My short reponse would be 'is it overkill?' followed by 'publish the environmental impact assessment'.
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 @bombdabass: Trees die at some point, no tree stands forever. I didn't see them depleting the forest of old growth trees, and I could be wrong but I got the impression that the tree was moribund already.
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 I agree the film could have been structured better. However, if we look at ecosystem services as a whole then human enjoyment and connection is a part of it, and over a 25 year period, I would imagine its "impact" will be negligible.

We simply don't know enough about this yet as no one has fronted up the cash to support a research project based around active tourism projects and if they could provide an ecological benefit in the long term through land use change over a region (I am not advocating any destruction of old growth forest - I am generally against it - but looking at the social science combined with ecology here)

If this area is a large mining area (It seems to be) and a trail like this could sustain jobs through secondary economic impact, then that would be a good thing compared to deep extractive industry. Yes, we need to protect wild spaces robustly and I understand that we affect the real specialists of eco systems by removing old growth trees, and can simplify these eco systems in the process, but I don't think that's what was happening here. MTB can, and arguably should, have a role to play in future economies, building resilience and helping sustain eco systems, and a trail like this could help with that.

Also, we should bear in mind that the Amazon is a succession based forest, and for years indigenous peoples used the forest in a sustainable way, which involved burning large patches, using the charcoal to help build organic matter in the soil - then growing on said patches for a few years and letting the area regenerate for 20-30 years. It has largely been Soya, and extractive industries, coupled with road infrastructure (gov policy) that has been the real issue. I would argue this trail construction is closer to a sustainable model than a destructive model and might even indicate a positive change in policy.

I'm not wholly sold on fortress conservation either. It hasn't worked anywhere in the world that I've seen as yet.
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 @TommyWilkinson: Direct environmental ramifications aside, there is more to using trails as a conservation tool than just building them. Will users be educated on the project, efforts made by trails builders, and ecological significance of the landscape they are moving through? Will they be given an opportunity to support the conservation of that place beyond just the trail, or will they be required to? this does look like a lot of soil rock and vegetation being disturbed, but that is the nature of trails. That's fine, i think, as long as it creates opportunities (or requirements) for users to step up and give real, actual dollars, not monopoly money to support the broader ecosystem. I think we often see the goals of a trail stated to be an opportunity for conservation, "help the next generation appreciate and support the outdoors", but the longitudinal impact of the trail being put in doesnt always mean it will meet those goals, and in many cases remains a cost, not a revenue generator. In other words it has to be either structured to capture specific numbers of dollars from a wide user group giving money, or you have to require a fee, possibly both. Either way, you have to establish real goals and create targets for fees and/or giving.

As for fortress conservation, i think that generally relates to the people living on certain "untouched" landscapes, and less so the natural communities, but point taken. I think hybrid models can work where easy trails are built for high volume in less vulnerable areas and then successively longer, more demanding trails out into some more pristine areas allow limited traffic and impact, but also the "epic" notoriety that can inspire more people to wander out and find deep appreciation for those places. That being said, I am a proponent of leaving some important blocks that might be part of the same conservation project untouched, as a partial "fortress". Again, aspirations and hopes are wonderful, but conservation and well maintained trail infrastructure takes a lot of work, and that work generally happens with money. What is really sad, and has happened near my home are some ambitious trail projects, that were not financially sustainable, and extensive enough no group of volunteers to step in to cover all of what is needed,
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 @Planetx888: Really good reply, and I largely agree with what you've written but would use various Sub Saharan countries as examples (Ethiops, Rwanda) to dispute your take of Fortress Conservation but that's moving away from the main topic.

I absolutely advocate that these types of construction have to be viable beyond subsidy in economic terms. I err towards fees but I understand others don't like that model and I can appreciate that. I also think the scope can go further than just an appreciation of the environment but then we're talking about multi-stakeholder consensus on usage, educational needs, funding, economic moels and that is extremely challenging! (Building rural economic resilience in line with ecological conservation is what I'm currently working on ) .

I really like your hybrid model and that is exactly the model I'm trying to research at the moment - I call it low volume, high value where we help landowners diversify by supporting accommodation that is a minimal footprint and pay a rental fee for the land which is maintained by an engaged community (ideally this leads to a full-time trail crew down the line), the guides and guiding companies are educated in more than just riding and so on. We are trying to broaden the experience and knowledge but bikes/hiking are the tool.

I also agree there are some areas that should be left alone and we should respect that and respect these areas for what they provide.

Where I live we have some of the most important peat bogs in Europe - but what frustrates me is that we leave it alone where outdoor activity is concerned but a new logging road to extract 8m in timber (which was planted on peat that is rapidly drying...) for biomass is allowed to be built over a very sensitive, diverse and rich community habitat.

Thanks for the reply, I enjoyed reading that and great to hear of your experiences - these are problems I most likely will encounter and would love to hear any ideas for mitigating these you may have.
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 I feel like anybody with a union jack next to their name (myself included) can really say very little about sustainability to the Kiwis. We chopped down all of our trees thousands of years ago - ALL OF THEM. Our landscape is 100% unnatural and has been for a very very long time.

Having lived in NZ and lived with one of the trail builders in this video, I can attest that Kiwis take the protection of their natural environment VERY seriously. This is mostly since us brits f*cked it up for them a couple of hundred years ago, FYI.
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 @gavind: 320 pages of bed time reading....and that report is just the easy part of getting through our Resource Management still need to get it past the local iwi, and without them onboard, you're going nowhere, fast.
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 I propose to name this trail 'sustainable developement". I spend many days in the forest building trails in the French Pyrenees and I'm still wondering if I can cut a 5 cm tree. Absolut disaster. I don't care about "human adventure against the elements" when humans use dynamite, helicopter an so on to destroy everything for 18 years old stupid consumers.
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 As someone who has worked trails for private, federal and non-profit interests, these folks did a great job of creating increased access without taking the 'slash and burn' technique often seen at your local bike park.

During my time as a professional trail builder, trees of significant size and age are only ever taken if #1. the show signs of disease/death or #2. they are necessary towards promoting the growth of important out-competed species. Rocks are just that, and will need to be removed to create sustainable grades, avoid springs, or prevent the clearing of significant vegetation both up and downhill of the formation.

Building a trail takes so much more than most people realize. They also afford these previously commodity (aka mining) based economies with a more amenity (mtb) economy which allows typically impoverished areas the opportunity to put real dollars into their local community and pull sustainable, long term wealth out of their natural landscape.

The construction of trails will always need to consider two vastly different viewpoints. The bias I support seems to be more widely accepted the more one begins to research the ways that outdoor recreation benefits local and national economies, while simultaneously encouraging community trail stewardship.
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 I just read about the Pike River Mine disaster and wow this has to be one heavy hearted memorial project. It's good to hear no one got hurt in the making of this trail and that this trail will connect surrounding communities to hopefully help in many different ways.
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 Damn ! Now even more people go to NZ Frown
This is !
But it still hurts a bit to see the trees falling and the walls being bombed away.
I can only imagine it is less invasive than a skiing resort...
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 That had to be such a life changing project for the people working on that site. I have a small trail network in my 9 acres of land that doesn't even come close to the effort they put into a single mile of that track. I love the concept of keeping it as natural as possible while still adding a tiny bit of purpose built flow. You have respect from this guy! Wish I had the chance to witness something this cool in person in my life time.
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 Destruction, destruction and ... destruction isn't it ??? For a trail bike ? Whaoo ... for sure ... RESPECT ! Really !
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 Yeah, I dont get it either. I think that when you have to literally blast your way through nature in order to make a freakin BIKE TRAIL, you might have gone too far.
I mean, at 1:33 they show all these exotic animals just to blow them half a minute later up - ridiciulous!
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 @TurboTorsten: it was also done for hiking/ backpacking. though they did blasting, this will probably hold up better than if they were to have done it on just dirt.
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 I understand the sentiment but every trail ever built has some kind of destruction. Whether is it destruction of plants, wildlife displacement, digging etc. Its part of the price to recreate out in the woods, not just biking, just a question of what price is too high. Once this trail is done and people are using it to pass through, the animals will come back no problem. The blasting seemed a bit much, but would it have made any difference if they had done it with pick axes? Possibly could have been worse since they would have been there for weeks doing it.
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 @TurboTorsten: Yes, they took all the exotic animals and blew them up. You're an idiot.
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 Yup, human over nature, hard to feel good about it, esp considering all the devastation we wrought dousing resource extraction for daily living. Oh well, a million years from now the human race will be extinct and the world will have recovered.
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 @TurboTorsten: How do you reconcile your life against your ideas about environmental destruction? Its okay to farm, drive, build roads, build structures, etc, but to build a narrow path through the remote woods is a step too far? I'm really quite curious about how one reconciles such things.
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 You would still ride it though
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 @TurboTorsten: you can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. I only blew up a few rare and exotic animals. We tried to scare them away before a blast.

The only difference between blasting a rock face and breaking it with a rock hammer is that with the rock hammer you’ll just sit there for months or years to do it.
It basically doesn’t work on hard rock. Blasting is the only way.
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 That was amazing, and the trail is amazing by the looks of it. Very little riding shown yet I’m more inspired to ride after watching this than any video I’ve seen for a while!
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 Ennio Morricone's song fit perfectly! massive job guys..
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 Eerie, just read about his passing today. Iconic composer. Rest in peace Ennio
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 Great work guys, you could be proud of it. I understand the idea of biosecurity, but how can we be sure that none of the riders in the future, will "bring" some new species on its shoe soles or bike tires, which could have impact on this local ecosystem.
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 they are used to hiking/camping gear already.
our hiking shoes were checked each time. they thanked us for having clean shoes, I have always gave them a scrub before heading there to make our life as easy as possible getting through the biosecurity.
They checked our tent, one jsut a look at the desk, the other time they took it in back and unrolled it to give it a good look.
if they don't like how clean they are they will get fumigated/taken care of.

I would expect the same for bikes if you wanted the expense of traveling with them there.
We rented, but also had a small car so if we had brought bikes we would have needed something a bit larger too.

Yes things can still slip through, but they are pretty on top of it from what I have seen.
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 yeah the $450 fine will do that, the dogs in the airports, the meticulous opening and cleaning of luggage etc. and the eternal scorn of the locals if you f*ck up
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 This is why Karen hates mountain bikes
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 My question is, was it really fiscally effecient to build during the winter?

The man hours expended trying to "dig" in the winter would have been far better put to use with a larger crew during the more climate appropriate months.

I understand the scope of the project makes it seem like a year-round build was necessary, but I wonder if it could have been built faster, and possibly even cheaper, had they not spent so much time battling the inevitability of the elements.
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 It doesn’t get as cold here as America so it is possible but yeah it’s a good question. We had timelines to keep to which was the main thing.
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 Amazing trail. Ignore all the negative comments from people who have no appreciation of the context behind this project and the scale of the landscape it sits in. Can't wait to ride it. Thanks for your dedication.
  • 6 0
 This trail looks all time, best job ever!
  • 4 1
 Nice work fellas, Looks like some hard ass terrain to build trail in. Loved the muddy shot of putting the tracks back on as Ive had my fair share of those moments. Cant wait to ride this one day...
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 No jandals? Thought you guys were Kiwi!

In other news, I went for a ride the other day and there was a 3" diameter tree blown down across the trail. I stopped and dragged it off into the bushes, so, you know, I think I have a real taste of what these guys were dealing with.
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 Great watch...
A few people here need to put things into context. The West Coast of NZ used to have a bunch of Native logging operations and coal mining/gold mining operations the impact of this trail is negligible in comparison and is a sustainable way of bringing money into the local economy....
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 Next time I flippantly refer to something as "Epic" I will think of this video.
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 haha cool!
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 Bikes, beards and bangs. You guys rock, what a stunning tribute in a stunning place. We are damn lucky to have this earth and these soles.
  • 4 0
 Man there is alot of people with alot of time on their hands (referring to the post commentary).....good chat thou..
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 Wow, just wow. Superhuman effort, you bush walruses... and I salute you all for successfully completing such an epic and wild build.
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 hahaha thanks man!
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 I second that. What a great effort to build this amazing track. I can't wait to ride it. And @tomwtrails , don't listen to those bitching about felling the trees you needed to and blasting. I know you guys would have been sensitive to the environment otherwise you wouldn't have got the job.
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 Good lord this is a snoozer of a trail. 5 mile descent with only 2,600 feet of descending. Better charge up that ebike battery friends. Also its sad that this is now considered the golden standard of mtb trails. I could see this being fun on a gravel bike or maybe a hard tail but this is basically a 12m wheel chair path down the side of the hill.
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 Amen on that one. I'm hopeful they only showed the flow stuff, but maybe there's real single track in there?
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 @justpayme12: Not holding my breath. We have had a few of these trails pop up in my area as well. Just the same bland trail from top to bottom. For some reason people love them. To me they feel like the kids roller coaster at the country fair. Instead of building the trail to the landscape they just ram a mini excavator down a hillside and build a brain dead trail.
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 These dudes apparently did not watch FernGully when they were growing up...
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 Why’s that?
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 @tomwtrails: Scenes of bulldozing pristine rainforest come to mind. I was saying it more tongue in cheek.

I think the reason you’re getting some push back from folks is most trail systems in the US are in second growth forests that have a legacy roads and trails system from the logging and mining booms. It seems like many new trails use these existing corridors or already impacted areas and often times improve these areas by decommissioning parts of the old trails and building sustainable new trails. More so, we typically wouldn’t see a new trail get blazed through the bristlecone pine forests, old growth redwoods, and other sensitive or protected areas unless it’s private land.
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 Clarifies something I've been conscious of for a while: mountain biking is an environmentally damaging sport.

We're diving deeper and deeper into the climate and ecological emergency, and whilst I can appreciate the sense of pride the trail builders have in this project, I personally have a huge issue with forging a trail through the midst of a truly wild ecosystem and this being portrayed as a positive achievement.

- If every bit of kit brought in needed to be cleaned to mitigate for biosecurity threat, surely that tells you it's not a good place to bring 1000's of bikers who really don't need to be there??
- If we genuinely want to protect the natural environment, it's easy - stop destroying it!

I stopped flying 3 years ago (climate emergency), and I'd encourage others to question the logic of flying to other countries to ride bikes, at a time when there is clear scientific consensus (and has been for years) on the climate emergency. We have a very short window of time left to take action, to try to make the world somewhat livable for the next generation. Sadly most people have no idea how severe this threat truly is, or are willing to turn a blind eye and tell themselves "it's not my problem".

Yesterday the news reported that arctic wildfires are raging unchecked through the huge Siberian forests, average temps there are 10 degrees C higher due to climate change - which as we all know if largely caused by the burning of fossil fuels (again, there is no question about this - there is scientific consensus).

So... please considers riding local, and boycotting environmentally destructive trails like this!
And Pinkbike, please stop promoting international MTB tourist, it's literally killing our life support system!
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 I love Trail building! But destroy nature with explosive, cut century old trees for bikes, not for me...
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 For me this is a must watch video Pinkbike, first to really show how this mega trails are done (not too ecofriendly way) but at the end lot of effort and educational content (positive an negative) for me is one of the videos of the year.
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 That is whole lot of effort, money and destruction to put a trail on one of the wettest areas possible. Maybe it is very seasonal but it doesn't seem like the wisest location. And how is access to this place? Do you have to heli in to ride or is there an easier way?
  • 3 0
 Damn! I gotta do that track!
  • 3 1
 Really cool locally funded trail system going in here in Newark Ohio with a public funded downhill park.
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 Looks nice, had to rewind for a second look at that plant on the left at 10.11.
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 To_Do list updated with the "move up" button burned out.
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 Wow! Great Wall (trail) of NZ
Thought I was doing something significant raking sticks and twigs on my local trails.
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 Tie this in with the Old Ghost Road, with 7m of rain a year good luck getting three fine days in a row
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 It's about 100km from the Old Ghost road but the difference is our track was made for mountain bikes by MTB track builders. This project comes off the back of the success of the Old Ghost Road that was built by ex miners and roading crews.
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 3 fine days on the coast is a drought.
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 NZ should be embarrassed to build a trail in this manner through this kind of terrain. And at that cost! Machine built trails eat up so much terrain and don't belong in remote terrain.
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 Sure I love mountain biking too but 12 million dollars is a stupid amount of money for only 40 miles of trail.
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 So, that's about 8 million USD, or 7 million EUR.
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 Algo assim, mas espero que possa ver no video onde o dinero estava gastado.
Uma pergunta, os suntitilos funcionaron em Portugues? Eu pasei tudo ontem a noite cargando os.
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 @tomwtrails: Posso dizer já que muito dinheiro foi para o helicoptero. Só leva 1 tonelada de cada vez(ou menos) e o custo ronda os 140€ por hora.
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 @tomwtrails: yes, it has Portuguese subtitles. Tks
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 Heli drop and massive tree destruc, that's eco-friendly fore sure :/
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 Epic, well done the trail builders.
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 Bet i could get that done for a 12 pack with some other riders.
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 Excellent use of the Last of the Mohicans soundtrack. Daniel Day Lewis would be proud!
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 R.I.P Ennio Morricone
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 Frodo!!!!! What happens if you have a serious crash on this track ? Do you even have mobile connection?
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 You should always have a GPS locator beacon with you when you are going proper bush.
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 Over last 5 years have built about 2km of flow trails, so would have cost about £200 000 if was payed for?
Hope my effort will turn into some payed work at some point!
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 Money well spent! Quite the mission. Where I live we spent $1.8 Billion over the same 3 year period on police!

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 Epic! Well done NZ. Added to my bucket list!
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 Awesome.. I wanna ride it.
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 literally blowing up the trail
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 Here in Brazil, you can't even move a rock without get busted by a environment cop... I Envy you, the good envy one!
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 Muito legal, eu pensava que vcs ali estavam mais livres. Aqui em NZ é um estado policial.
Uma pergunta, os subtitalos em Portugeus funcionaram? Era um trabalho grande de traduzir e cargar os
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 @tomwtrails: Hello Tom, nop, here is very hard to do something. I used to trailbuild one of most famous trails here in São Paulo, called 'macaco' (monkey in english). Here the laws of environmental protection are so hard that we have to get an autorizathion even to build a house 10 meters closer from a river. Of course a lot of people disrespect and do they stuffs, but, if them get you, you'll be busted without bail haha. We even have to get a license to have 'chainsaws'. Can vary from one state to other, but here where I live is very difficult to create new trails. I understood perfectly your portuguese from the translation you've made.
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 @tomwtrails: As you talked to me, congrats from what you've made, awesome bro!!!! Send our congrats to all builders involved.
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 Did you ever seen a environment cop? At least, here in the northeast, i've never seen one in my entire life of hiking/biking
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 @Monacchesi: valeu ????????
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 @Monacchesi. Wow - Thats so interesting and the last sort of comment I would have expected (I'm not dis-believing you)

My perception has been environmental destruction is out of control, based on reports of increased destruction of the Amazon, especially under Bolsonaro - here is a link to an article in Sciencemag

Lets hope for more trail construction and less rainforest destruction.
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 @AlanMcCrindle Well, we're a 'continental' country, so our laws tend to work better where the contingent of people are bigger, and our journalists tend to be against our new president by the view that him get from what is right. I know there is some devastation, but always existed, now this journalist are giving more enphasys to this to attack him.

And yes, our new president tend to flex the laws of devastation, i'm against it but, what can we do? He have good and bad points as we all.

I don't like polythical conversations becouse we will never get to a common point, there so many people who get offended with few and soft words, imagine disagree from them... (Actual world scenario).

But you have to understand, those people who destruct our jungle are criminals. They haven't license to do that. There are so many problems with fiscalization on this areas, most from lack of money caused by corruption from last governments, after that, areas of a very difficult access, our country is very extensive and this is a problem. This areas is a pure native and untouched jungle, bigger then belgium, germany, england and a lot of other countrys. How to get an opperation to bust this criminals in time of 1 or 2 days (satellite image delay) with a burocratical law and older than me?

So I speak of 'São Paulo' (the bigger and most populational state from brazil), here if someone see you cutting a tree, or making a trail inside an 'APP (Área de proteção permantente)'[Permanent protected area] you will get arrested becouse they will denounce you.

And even making a trail inside a 'proprietary terrain' you have to get a license from the city hall to cut trees and you have to respect a percentage, with a lot of burocratical program to 're-insert' trees on other areas to compensate those you removed.

Again: BY THE LAW, here trailbuilding is difficult, as I'm a man of rights who believe in the society, I speak: here you can't move a rock without get busted, and if you want to do it, you have to currupt yourself giving money to 'mens' who will not care about your 'stupid trail' as I listened a lot of time ago from the environment and tourism secretary.

This is a loooong talk with a lot of points of view witch will never gets to an end :/
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 @StFred: Here in São Paulo, they're everywhere, of course most by denounces... Lot of people by m².
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 @Monacchesi: Thanks for your extensive and thoughtful reply - I get your points - its a complex situation with no easy answers unfortunately.
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 @AlanMcCrindle: Nice to meet you bro Wink
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