Great vid. Its insane how well organized and big the NICA north and south HS race programs are in Utah. Not to mention Cam McCaul showed up randomly at a stop and so many kids were stoked that you wouldn't think followed the freeride scene.
It is awesome. Lots of support out here. Only sucks when you are out riding and a team of 30+ kids plus coaches are on a practice ride. I'll still take it though. Great for the sport.
WA State has a few teams... check it out. washingtonleague.org I encourage any Middle School or High School kids to check it out. These programs are awesome and I wish I had this when I was in High School. I loved collegiate racing, it got me through college.
Has anyone ever had the misfortune of running into a pack of these people out on the trails (15-20)? Its awful, they are a MUCH larger group than any other group you would ever encounter in the real world and they have NO manners.
Theres a local trail system i like where these turds go to do their practice laps and i have had more than several rides ruined by them and their inconsiderate bike manners. But yeah lets all cheer for every high school having a bike team and increasing the people on trails ten times then see how happy you are when they use your local trails to practice...just saying, i know a lot of PC people wont like m,y comment but it's true
Well maybe you should just stop riding in this FAKE world you continue to encounter these "turds" in and stick to your "real world" trails... Or, grow up a bit and recognize that these over enthused teens will likely be the future of your local trail system.
@jssfalco: He does have a point: Here is a completely true story of my experience with NICA.
I showed up to my local trail system and realized NICA was there and respectfully followed them at a snails pace leaving plenty of distance. After one lap of the park, I was called aside by the NICA leader, who told me I had to leave the *public park* because I was endangering the group or they would call the police (not saying if it was a male or female because they are probably reading this). I told them go ahead, they aren't going to kick me out of a public park. They then told all the NICA students that I didn't know how to ride a bike which is why I didn't pass, and to this day whenever they see me they make fun of me. How in the heck do you pass over 20 people wobbling side to side on a narrow singletrack trail? That would be a d*** move. SOOO, I was not only disrespected by the coach, but they broke the rule of positivity in NICA. I'm not saying all NICA leagues are bad, but the one in my county (not going to mention it) is absolute s***.
If they taught kids to ride correctly I wouldn't hate the group so much, but one of this groups rules is that your wheels should never leave the ground. Sure, this is the midwest. In other areas of the world, that could be downright dangerous! Practice by yourself will teach you how to ride a trail at a snails pace, the whole point of NICA is to teach correct bike handling and skills that you will need anywhere am I right? I've seen kids that were taught to brake with their middle finger.
I just got on a team recently to help coach. We are the first team in the U.P of Michigan currently competing in the Wisconsin league. Hoping to have our own NICA league in the U.P here in a couple more years.
This was just in its first pre-life stages when I was at Lone Peak high school. Wish it would have started up sooner because I would have really gotten into it.
Wish they had this in my high school. But then again, I live in Florida and it would be all XC. Would have been better than nothing I suppose. Great video that is showing the shape of the future of mountain biking.
Why shouldn't HS MTB be freeride and DH MTB? Aren't rocks on the MTB trail to be expected? There should be a technical aspect to MTB, not just fire road riding like much of NICA. Glorified cyclocrosscountry races are not MTB. Although I applaud efforts to expand the scene, MTB should not be misrepresented as "the T-ball of cycling" as NICA calls it. MTB is merely presented by them as a safer alternative to freeride and road biking (high speed crashes). NICA also has opposed DH and freeride MTB, calling it "too risky". Where is MTB without the risk? Is it not an inherently risky sport? NICA even requires "two wheels on the ground", banning ALL JUMPING . They also ban caffeine, presumably to stop the energy drink lobby, but shouldn't they just ban energy drink sponsorship. Furthermore, some of their sponsors, including Clif Bar make caffeinated products. Is this not very narrow vision on what MTB should be? Shouldn't kids be exposed to various facets of the sport such as freeride, DH, DJ, and Trials? I'm sure many young riders dislike the "ultra XC hardcore" aspect of it and just want to ride, hit some tech rock gardens, session some jumps, and have fun. It takes money to run a race, but there is no need for extravagant $45 per race fees - as these races are volunteer run. Strip these races down to the bare bones, do away with the extravagance, and just RIDE! You cannot shoehorn MTB all the time in a traditional sporting model, as it is not always a traditional sport. There are also massive discrepancies in MTB equipment where some kids are riding with Walmart bikes, and others are riding $10,000 XC superbikes.
Enough armchair MTB. This must be a grassroots effort. Introduce young MTBers this season to DH racing, freeride, BMX, and dirt jumps before they get sucked in by the world of gram/carb counting (don't let them drill speed holes in their water bottle), calorie shaving, Strava loving, cyclocross junkies. Offer to start a club with a local school or youth group, and teach them how to jump and shred tech trails well. Teach kids how to maintain their bikes, not just handing it to the shops, to you, or their parents. Most of all, teach them how to have fun. Build trails, not XC or flow, but tech MTB trails which reward good bike handling and require skill. Encourage jumping on club rides. Organize some (relaxed) jump comps - FEST style (except maybe a bit smaller) Take them BMXing or urban freeriding when the trails are wet instead of road riding. The resistance must start now...don't make MTB a synonym for XC.
May the best rider win (or the one with the biggest whips)...FREERIDE MTB FOR LIFE
We have plenty of rocks and technical trails at our races in the SoCal NICA league! I would assume that you have never been on a NICA high school team, you really just don't get it. Also, imagine the insurance costs for a high school freeride team, it would never happen as a school team, and by far the coolest part of all of this is that we have an actual, SCHOOL mountain biking team. And they ban caffeine to prevent riders from chugging energy drinks or eating a ton of energy chews before their race with the hope of getting some sort of edge on everybody else, sounds like a fine ban to me. The 'wheels on the ground' ban is also loosely enforced, at least in the SoCal league. They understand that there are certain sections of trail and certain speeds that will lead to the wheels leaving the ground, that's ok. What they don't want is people going out of their way to throw massive whips and taking the extra risk at NICA events. We even rode twilight zone (a jump line) at the NICA summer camp at Mammoth Bike Park. Most of our rider on our team are riding trail or even enduro bikes, and most of us race enduro too, but we still race NICA and we aren't spandex clad weight weenies. We race it because it is fun, because the immense amount of support is amazing, and it's one of the coolest things ever that our high school has an actual mountain bike team!
I raced NICA every year in highschool and even started the team at my school. I also Dirt Jump, Ride Downhill, Race Enduro, and work at a bike shop. I would be doing none of those things though if it wasnt for the people I met racing in the nica socal leauge. so I personally cant hate on nica too much. It was great to me.
@mtbdude562: Chilled...its just that there is no freeride/DH presence for MTB at a young age. Young riders need to be exposed to multiple parts of the sport.
@uphilarious: In my experience - a NICA league in the Midwest - the races are usually held in non-technical trails. MTB should force you to become better technically, mentally, and physically. The courses should not be "dumbed down" to accommodate everybody, people should get to that level though hard work and fun. That is the fun and challenge of MTB. Otherwise, one might as well road bike.
@mtbdude562: The problem isn't with introducing new people to the sport - that's great. The problem is when NICA denounces entire segments of MTB (based on their official stances-ie. freeride, DH, dirt jumping), not only are they alienating many potential MTBers, but are legitimizing a vital part of the MTB scene worldwide.
Edit: The problem isn't with introducing new people to the sport - that's great. The problem is when NICA denounces entire segments of MTB (based on their official stances-ie. freeride, DH, dirt jumping), not only are they alienating many potential MTBers, but are delegitimizing a vital part of the MTB scene worldwide. NICA should work on outreach to these types of bikers and stay true to the sport. If a sense of cooperation is shared between genres of MTB, that would be great. Otherwise, less and less people will do DH and freeride MTB - NICA should feature and encourage DH and freeride to broaden their base, and just get more people into the sport in general. This may be an unpopular opinion, but I bet there are others who feel just the same way.
@dea7hadder I totally agree that many of the regulations around NICA are quite strict (coming from a NICA racer), but you need to keep in mins that the vast majority of these regulations are to encourage the schools to adopt MTB as a school sport. If these were not in place, many of the schools would think of the stereotypical mountain biker getting high and ringing off some huge cliff and landing paralyzed in the hospital. That is the last thing a school would promote. Also, my team (Monticello High School Mustangs) not only races in NICA, but we take frequent trips to other big mountain riding locations (one of my personal favorites: Torrey Ridge s77.photobucket.com/user/firstbornbikes/media/SWEET/Torrey_Garden-03.jpg.html ) we ride plenty of technical stuff.
@xc12: Never said A-Line is tech A-Line is a machine built flow trail. By tech I am talking about North Shore style trail (think Mount Cypress, old school shore). I like rock gardens, trials drops, skinnies, natural jumps/gaps and trail stuff like that.
You should see the NorCal NICA league.Pretty much half of the varsity crowd is sponsered, including two kids who race in the EWS for Marin Suntour and Giant Co-Factory. So yeah, it's not breeding casual cyclist or weekend warriors.
Definitely missed "Utah"... well now I sure look stupid
Great vid. Its insane how well organized and big the NICA north and south HS race programs are in Utah. Not to mention Cam McCaul showed up randomly at a stop and so many kids were stoked that you wouldn't think followed the freeride scene.
washingtonleague.org
I encourage any Middle School or High School kids to check it out. These programs are awesome and I wish I had this when I was in High School. I loved collegiate racing, it got me through college.
Theres a local trail system i like where these turds go to do their practice laps and i have had more than several rides ruined by them and their inconsiderate bike manners. But yeah lets all cheer for every high school having a bike team and increasing the people on trails ten times then see how happy you are when they use your local trails to practice...just saying, i know a lot of PC people wont like m,y comment but it's true
I showed up to my local trail system and realized NICA was there and respectfully followed them at a snails pace leaving plenty of distance. After one lap of the park, I was called aside by the NICA leader, who told me I had to leave the *public park* because I was endangering the group or they would call the police (not saying if it was a male or female because they are probably reading this). I told them go ahead, they aren't going to kick me out of a public park. They then told all the NICA students that I didn't know how to ride a bike which is why I didn't pass, and to this day whenever they see me they make fun of me. How in the heck do you pass over 20 people wobbling side to side on a narrow singletrack trail? That would be a d*** move. SOOO, I was not only disrespected by the coach, but they broke the rule of positivity in NICA. I'm not saying all NICA leagues are bad, but the one in my county (not going to mention it) is absolute s***.
If they taught kids to ride correctly I wouldn't hate the group so much, but one of this groups rules is that your wheels should never leave the ground. Sure, this is the midwest. In other areas of the world, that could be downright dangerous! Practice by yourself will teach you how to ride a trail at a snails pace, the whole point of NICA is to teach correct bike handling and skills that you will need anywhere am I right? I've seen kids that were taught to brake with their middle finger.
Enough armchair MTB. This must be a grassroots effort. Introduce young MTBers this season to DH racing, freeride, BMX, and dirt jumps before they get sucked in by the world of gram/carb counting (don't let them drill speed holes in their water bottle), calorie shaving, Strava loving, cyclocross junkies. Offer to start a club with a local school or youth group, and teach them how to jump and shred tech trails well. Teach kids how to maintain their bikes, not just handing it to the shops, to you, or their parents. Most of all, teach them how to have fun. Build trails, not XC or flow, but tech MTB trails which reward good bike handling and require skill. Encourage jumping on club rides. Organize some (relaxed) jump comps - FEST style (except maybe a bit smaller) Take them BMXing or urban freeriding when the trails are wet instead of road riding. The resistance must start now...don't make MTB a synonym for XC.
May the best rider win (or the one with the biggest whips)...FREERIDE MTB FOR LIFE
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#freeridenotfixies #cyclocrosscantcutit #justhuckit #justsaynotonica
The problem isn't with introducing new people to the sport - that's great. The problem is when NICA denounces entire segments of MTB (based on their official stances-ie. freeride, DH, dirt jumping), not only are they alienating many potential MTBers, but are delegitimizing a vital part of the MTB scene worldwide. NICA should work on outreach to these types of bikers and stay true to the sport. If a sense of cooperation is shared between genres of MTB, that would be great. Otherwise, less and less people will do DH and freeride MTB - NICA should feature and encourage DH and freeride to broaden their base, and just get more people into the sport in general. This may be an unpopular opinion, but I bet there are others who feel just the same way.
I totally agree that many of the regulations around NICA are quite strict (coming from a NICA racer), but you need to keep in mins that the vast majority of these regulations are to encourage the schools to adopt MTB as a school sport. If these were not in place, many of the schools would think of the stereotypical mountain biker getting high and ringing off some huge cliff and landing paralyzed in the hospital. That is the last thing a school would promote. Also, my team (Monticello High School Mustangs) not only races in NICA, but we take frequent trips to other big mountain riding locations (one of my personal favorites: Torrey Ridge s77.photobucket.com/user/firstbornbikes/media/SWEET/Torrey_Garden-03.jpg.html ) we ride plenty of technical stuff.
btw: A-Line isn't technical.