Are You Going Electric? - Pinkbike Poll

Apr 21, 2016 at 15:25
by Vernon Felton  
When Shimano unveiled XTR Di2 two years ago, mountain bikers fell into two camps: Those who instantly loved the idea of waving goodbye to 100 years of cable-riddled cycling history and those who swore they’d never buy into Shimano’s electric shifting. Well, last week Shimano rolled out XT Di2, a group that offers many of the same features at less than half the cost of the top-tier e-group (the 2x XT Di2 group sells for $1,101 while the 1x option retails for $773).

Interestingly, there seems to be a whole lot less howling now from the anti-robot contingent. Were people less opposed to electronic shifting and more opposed to its early caviar-level price tag? Or am I reading the tea leaves all wrong on this one?

Where do you stand on the matter? Are you going to go electronic or are you a cable guy to the very end?
Shimano XT Di2
Shimano XT Di2


Now that electronic shifting has dropped in price, are you going to go electric?



MENTIONS: @vernonfelton




336 Comments

  • 325 4
 I heard your mum switched over to electric a whhhile ago *brrrrrrrrrrrr*...
  • 120 7
 Since I met your mum she said she doesn't need electric assistance any more. Much prefers the old fashioned manual method.
  • 21 73
flag Boardlife69 (Apr 22, 2016 at 2:48) (Below Threshold)
 Yo momma is so skanky her "D"I2 came with jumper cables.
  • 65 4
 such a vibrant comment
  • 14 35
flag drivereight (Apr 22, 2016 at 5:23) (Below Threshold)
 Yer mum called, said need more batteries!
  • 5 17
flag enduroelite (Apr 22, 2016 at 7:28) (Below Threshold)
 @bigtim: stick and rudder, huh
  • 53 7
 Every once in a while it appears that the pinkbike comment section is growing up - for better or for worse....and then WHAM!!! like clockwork, it comes crashing back down into it's pimple-ridden teenage years. In some ways it keeps us all young, in others not so much....
  • 6 25
flag cuban-b (Apr 22, 2016 at 10:24) (Below Threshold)
 @ckcost: your face is pimple-ridden! oh wait, that actually kinda makes sense Frown
  • 4 8
flag ckcost (Apr 22, 2016 at 10:28) (Below Threshold)
 @cuban-b: Ha! Maybe my inner 13YO face. Im way to old for those these days.
  • 32 0
 Hey hey now, leave my mother out of this and I will stay out of your mother
  • 14 0
 @ckcost: It's interesting that there was only one box to check for positive and almost the rest of them were some sort of negative.
If you put together all the negatives together makes the percentage of positives look very small.
I see what you did there Pinkbike
  • 9 0
 Every time I read an article and go to comment on it I always get lost in the puns and jokes then forget what I came here for
  • 5 0
 @enrico650: yea, I noticed that too. I was looking for a box which said something like, "Ill consider it after trying it out now that the price is realistic for replacing blown up non-serviceable rear derailleurs" or something similar....
  • 1 0
 3 of the options are pretty much the same choice.
  • 186 2
 I've only just gone 1x10..... we'll be on hover bikes by the time I'm on Di2...
  • 25 2
 What range?

I am currently living in the past with 3x9 and thinking of 1x10 over 1x11 XT purely based on pricing.
  • 7 1
 @darkmuncan: I like my 2x on my giant trance low gears when I need to climb and high gears for when I take my son on the trails on his trailer
  • 24 0
 @dubstepqt: I find 2xX pretty useful for real life, you can go from a heavier gear onto a lighter one with a single push of a lever, and then back just as easily, perfect for short steep technical random ascents in the middle of fast zones.
  • 4 3
 @darkmuncan Shimano XT 3x9 ftw i ride with that too pretty dope
  • 5 4
 @dubstepqt: Hi, you have a 2x8 maybe, you want your chainain to be as strait as possible all the time, so remove 2 (some would say 3) extreme gears on each side of the range. thus you have 10-12 usable efficient gears... you can get the same with the 1x but simpler, lighter and your chain will never get off the chainring ever again... Smile It all about the range. Cheers
  • 8 0
 @RedBurn: Thank god there are still people who know how to adjust front derailleurs
  • 1 0
 @darkmuncan: Same here. I am hoping to get a 1x11 in the next year.
  • 3 0
 @Fullblitz: im ok I don't need to spend extra on a bike when it works just fine Smile I think the 2016 trace 2 comes out the box PERFECT
  • 2 1
 @darkmuncan: I was like you 2 years ago. 3x9, then I went to 2x9 and finally I made the switch to 1x10 with a 11-42T. Gotta tell you, it was worth the money. So simple and no FD. You should go for it.
Beer
  • 1 0
 @dubstepqt: Yes, It does!
  • 12 0
 I'm still on 9 speed triples with 26 inch wheels. They need another selection in the poll. I love Di, But I love simple cable as well. I may switch one of my 7 twenty six inch bikes to Di. or even single chain ring. BUT I'll have to be disappointed with what I use now. At 62 I'm have more fun than a 62 year old is allowed. Cheek cramps from smiling, hanging on tight trying not to trip over my grin.
  • 2 0
 i ride a 3x9 and it has ben so helpful on the very technical trail i use to go, not in the mood for changing now.
  • 2 1
 @enduroelite: just git back from a ride with my son and the custom trailer mount god I love this bike had to use the low gears he adds extra 30 pounds to the back haha
  • 1 0
 @darkmuncan: I run a 1x10, 32 tooth front 11-40praxis rear on my hardtail 29er. Works great in practically anything However the XT 1x11 are surprisingly cheap now. Check out Jenson.com, you can get a whole setup for less than $200 I think.
  • 4 0
 26" 1x9 if it ain't broke, don't fix it....
  • 1 0
 @dubstepqt: 2x is the way to go if you don't want the road bike chain ring on your rear wheel that lets you use a big enough chain ring to keep both the climbing and top end gearing you get from a 2x9 system.
  • 1 0
 @davemud:

I just put a front mech back on my XC hardtail - 38/26 with 11-36t 10 speed.

Ran 1x9 and then 1x 10 for years on full suspension bikes. Found the 1x 10 too limited on the fast XC bike. Tried different front chainrings (32,33,34) no real difference, always in the wrong cadence. Maybe 2 rear cogs felt good?

The 2 x 10 feels great. Maybe 1 x 11 when the 10 speed wears out...
  • 1 0
 I upgraded my DH rig to 1x10 with a fancy-ass XO1DH derailleur that cost me more than a month's worth of utilities. My XC bike and my park bike are still 1x9 setups. Both of those bikes are still fun. So, no. I'm not going to upgrade to electronic shifting. Or boost. Or 650b. Or blah blah blah blah blah
  • 90 3
 Where's the "Its cool but not for me" option? I understand for general trail and XC duties it would be great, and if I rode less aggressively I might try it, however it just isn't practical for downhill applications considering cassette sizing and the derailleurs being expensive and vulnerable.
  • 20 4
 Still, look at any WC XC rider and advanced enthusiasts, shit's pretty aggro too.
  • 28 1
 @brodoyouevenbike: Well WC XC is far from "General trail and XC duties", those guys straight up thrash their bikes.
  • 4 1
 @yo13bo: I didn't notice the "general" Smile
  • 4 0
 @brodoyouevenbike: In my case, just the fact that it doesn't really give a huge advantage for downhill riding, is what makes up my decision that: I don't need this! In XC duties as you say ( yo13bo), its probably great. For downhill riding, we just need a working derailleur and shifter, and as long as it shifts correctly theirs no problem. To be honest, riding electric stuff on my bigbike would just scare me.
  • 35 0
 Exactly. Its quite often the case with PB polls I find... No middle ground.

Its not that polarising a subject for me. I think its a natural development, but one that I am waiting for price to drop (Which it has a bit but not enough), and my current gear to not work anymore. I'm not going to buy a new group for no reason. But i might consider it when the time comes.
  • 2 4
 To be honest I think the technology has the grounds to get much better, automatic electric shifting gearboxes could potentially work better than manual shifting just like in cars, sensors are pretty advanced these days. Is it necessary? Not for your usual weekend warrior, but if one person starts using in the WC circuit and wins, everyone will follow.
  • 13 0
 Only if it will integrate with my shock and set off a buzzer and warning lights to tell me I've left it in climb before I set off decending rather than me realising at the bottom.... Or half way down and end up riding like a squid trying too flick it to decent mode ????
  • 3 12
flag abzillah (Apr 22, 2016 at 2:52) (Below Threshold)
 "Are you going electric?"
Oh yes! I'm going electric on your mum!
  • 3 0
 @shakeyakey: Had that at the Grav. Enduro race the other day... One section was rough as shit, into a pedally bit and then a flat out but not rough section... the only time in my life i've wanted remote lock out, and I eventually gave up on the idea of trying to reach down and going OTB haha.
  • 15 0
 Or the "I may consider it when my perfectly good drivetrain is worn out" option. I dig it, but I'm in no rush.
  • 11 4
 Love snapping those $500 XTR Di2 rear mechs
  • 7 0
 @Mooka: Do you ? Have you done that?
  • 1 1
 They really force a bias. I wish they'd just let people back out of a bias answer if they chose to. Would kinda tell the market where it's actually at.

I didn't read but wouldn't these need batteries from time to time? I don't want to deal with that
  • 10 0
 The extra detail in the PB poll answers remind me of the answers my wife gives me when I ask her a simple question like "Are you getting eggs while you're at the store?" Her answer takes ten minutes and when I walk away, I'm still not sure if I should get them while I'm out. A simple "Yes" or "No" would have sufficed.
  • 12 1
 Also missing the "I'd consider it next time I need a new drivetrain" option.
  • 25 3
 I must be really really old school but the e-bikes and electronics seems to be missing the point. The simplicity and beauty of the mechanics is as much why I bike as the trails I choose. The bike industry seems to be out of touch with me and if they keep turning every little thing into a passing trend then they are putting a time limit on the sport as it will be considered a passing trend. I know as many people getting out of biking now as getting into it. Maybe more. There is a grace and loveliness to the mechanics but we are starting to lose that.
  • 2 1
 @stoanhart: agreed. I'm not changing just for the sake of change. Frankly, I love a 2x with a single shifter, the integration sounds awesome.
  • 8 4
 @vernonjeff: That could be the single most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. People are getting out of biking because they don't like new bike parts coming out? That makes zero sense. You can still buy hard tails, full rigid -whatever you want man. Are you saying that not being trendy is frustrating you to the point where you want to quit? I am baffled.
  • 4 1
 @vernonjeff: I guess you would still be driving a three on the tree fargo van if you love the simplicity of mechanics. It's called progress just like cars with 8 speed auto transmissions, do we need them no, but they work better and are smoother than the old clunkers of yesteryear. IMO
  • 6 3
 @DARKSTAR63: Sorry. Its the price. They are using innovation as an excuse to keep the prices up. I meant to add that they need to stop with the new trends and figure out how to get the prices down. I had to many things going on to articulate that thought properly and am out the door for work now... total swing and a miss for me today.
  • 7 1
 @vernonjeff: The upside of all this "innovation" is that my 3 year old bike is still one of the most capable bikes you can buy. I have no interest in any of the crap that's come out since I bought it: electronic drivetrains, 1x12, fat tires, "metric" shocks.... I always figured I'd buy a new bike when there was something a lot better, but that hasn't happened yet.

Now if they were to make a bike that was pounds lighter, or $1,000 or more lower priced, or if they'd fixed some of the little imperfections I'd be all over it!
  • 5 1
 @vernonjeff: I hear what you are saying when you put it that way, but it's not the first time I've pondered that argument. This is what I have come up with: Entry level bikes are better than ever. I would genuinely argue that entry level fully functioning mountain bikes are more affordable than ever. Just because top end bikes have gone up because a market has emerged for it does not mean you have to spend 8K on a bike. They have gotten the prices down, look at low level Shimano parts as a glaring example. The value is outstanding. The argument that bikes are getting too expensive doesn't hold water. You can built a simple kick ass bike for low dollars these days. It wont be the "latest" or the "greatest" perhaps but those are relevant and subjective terms and irrelevant to fun factor.
  • 1 0
 @stoanhart: the most important option, poll totally misses the obvious
  • 10 2
 @vernonjeff: totally agree. I love the simplicity of bikes and I also love gadgets but to me this is just technology for technologies sake, this adds nothing to the experience other than expense.
to each their own but I'm out on this one.
  • 1 0
 @brodoyouevenbike: What we need is an electronically shifted 12 speed Rohloff that is close to the same weight as Di2 or cable systems with a 500% gear range.

I love my Rohloff, but it is too heavy for the XC and enduro racers. They ended up only on commuter bikes and trekking bikes.

I know it would be expensive, but damn it would be sexy. Do you think they are working on such a thing?
  • 2 0
 @vernonjeff:@vernonjeff: Well said.
Go and read a great book "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" very appropriate. Not really about the same exact thing but it will strike a chord on the mindset of the simple and graceful device that can be repaired in the field on an life altering adventure. I read it when I was 14 and it stuck with me ever since.
  • 1 0
 @hangdogr: That was a good laugh. I know the feeling.
  • 1 0
 I'll hop on board once it's wireless. If its electronic but I still need to feed wires through my frame, i say what's the point. Sram eTap for MTB at a reasonable pricepoint? I'm all in
  • 3 0
 @kevinseven: I don't know. I still have issues with Bluetooth stuff like headsets , etc. I like a direct connection.
  • 5 0
 @OrangeGoblin: Agree on natural development, and along with this will need to come high mAh batteries, or better yet a direct charge from heat dissipation elsewhere.

In the spirit of "quit messing with your damn bike and just get out and ride", checking the battery on this thing is one more thing I have to do before hopping in the saddle. I barely have the patience to keep my bike lubed and air in the tires. This is just one more thing you've gotta maintain before every ride.
  • 2 0
 @chasejj: I can't help but feel that book has strongly influenced my attitude and philosophy in the best possible way. Having reread it several times, I know it makes me wary of overly complex systems that ultimately detract from the experience I'm looking for.

I just want to smash some berms and fly my bike. (cheers LC!) I don't need anything getting in the way of that.
  • 56 5
 I'm a huge fan of don't care either way, I'll buy whatever is good when I need the parts, cables/batteries inconsequential
  • 9 0
 Hit the nail on the head there. Groupsets are not something I make a habit of buying. If/when I do I'll go for whatever suits my budget regardless of cables/wires.
  • 14 1
 I agree but my issue is I already don't have enough time to go ride, I don't want to pull my bike out and realize I don't have enough battery to go for a ride. Which I know is a crappy excuse but I'm also that guy who's not going to remember to plug his bike in when he gets home
  • 3 2
 Pretty sure the batteries last for upwards of a month.
  • 3 0
 That's where I'm at. Pretty much indifferent. I don't shy from new tech and I will go to it when it makes sense. I see that there are some pros (and cons) to the electric shifting but not enough for me to ditch my current, perfectly good working 1x11 system.
  • 2 0
 Pretty much sums it up for me as well. When my current 1x10 drive-train wears out I'll see what's out there and in my budget. I'm more excited about the new SLX 11 speed stuff and maybe it'll even be on sale when I need a new cassette. If I had the money I'd have no problem going with the XT Di2 stuff though.
  • 4 1
 the battery change lasts for several months under regular use.
  • 7 3
 @bogey: People keep saying how long the charge lasts, but they're missing the point. Regardless of how long it lasts, you're going to want to ride someday and it's going to be dead. The fact that it lasts so long makes this even more likely, since you won't need to get in the habit of plugging it in after every ride.
  • 2 1
 @Ctk11: I've had the same rear mech cable on my bike for 6 years, progress?
  • 2 0
 @Ctk11: More like six months.
  • 3 4
 @expat: get a new one then.
  • 1 0
 @expat: you may want to replace that cable.
  • 1 0
 @TwoWheelPhrenzy: I look after my stuff, every few rides it gets taken out, inspected, greased and put back in. I always carry a spare too, never had to use it. I'll replace it when it breaks.
  • 3 1
 @skelldify: I think you're missing the point on this one. Di2 has a battery indicator that shows the battery level. And guess what? You're allowed to charge it before the battery is fully drained. Imagine that!! Not so hard is it. In fact, this is almost the holy grail of electronics. I'd love to only have to charge my phone every six months.

If I had to plug it in after every ride then it would be a deal breaker. I would never remember to plug it in every time especially when I'm in a rush.

I've been running XTR di2 for a year now and it is awesome. The shifts are faster, cleaner and more precise. I don't have to worry about goofy shifter cable routing that's affected by rear suspension or rubs on my frame. I don't have to change cables.

For me the downside is only the sloppy ergonomics of the shifter. It is horrible but it could be better. Even the cost isn't bad if you time the sales right or buy used. I pieced mine together for under $800 (shifter, RD, wires, junction, display, charger and battery).
  • 1 0
 @bogey: to each their own. I tried one of these setups a few weeks ago and it was all the things you say it was, faster, more precise. $800 worth of faster and more precise? absolutely not, for that price I was expecting far more. I was left pretty underwhelmed.
  • 47 2
 For me, bike is a symbol of pure mechanic simplicity and freedom. I don't want to lose its spirit and beauty. I'm not gonna get into electric...
  • 51 6
 It would be awesome to see more bikes with a gearbox instead of a deruiller. Then electric shifting would be more useful.
  • 6 3
 This.
  • 14 2
 There should be an "I'm waiting for a gearbox" option in this survey.
  • 3 0
 @mrbabcock: 3 frames in progress. I am tired of derailluers, having to pedal to shift and I missed a jump this morning because the chain skipped a little when i shifted down a gear to get up to speed for a gap. Won't happen with a gearbox.
  • 40 0
 It adds a complexity to my bike I don't really want. When I finish a ride a wash it down and put it in the shed. Recharging it isn't going to be the end of the world but if I forget to do it then it could ruin a perfectly good ride. I'm also concerned about long term durability. Little electric motors attached to a derailleur that's getting knocked about on my bike are going to be put through some pretty extreme forces. Cables are not causing me any real issues and I have put hundreds of thousands of kilometres on cable equipped mountainbikes over the years. I would much rather the investment went to gearboxes and other solutions rather than incremental changes for the sake of getting something new onto the market more regularly.
  • 9 6
 This. My thumb works just fine everytime, plus it helps me to hold my after ride beer. Can DI2 help ma drink beer? No? Then that's my answer.
  • 14 2
 This
+
What if one of those new little shiny di2 parts stops working? Who am I gonna call? (don't say it) can I fix all the little things on my own, or do I have to get IT support? I guess fixing by "bend it back" or just readjusting cable tension won't do. I can't fix electronics. Frown
  • 19 1
 @dodobob: ehm....ghostbusters....
I'll let myself out...
  • 8 0
 @dodobob: Exactly. This is a combination of software and electronics and all of those are expensive to maintain and support. I admit I maintain electrical systems and they rarely go wrong but when they do it's a f*cking nightmare.
You can do a trailside repair of a derailleur cable with a coke can! You can even carry a spare cable if you want. They barely weigh anything. Even if they can say Di2 is 99% reliable that 1% could be way more expensive to fix and you would need to get someone else to do the fix. If a mechanical, cable operated, analogue set up was only 75% reliable but home repairable, trail fixable and cheaper then it's 100% the right option for any trail rider
  • 4 0
 @BornToGo: it's amazing to me how much a cheeky 80s comedy - featuring a character called Slimer - has such a reach across generations and the world.
  • 1 0
 I seems a lot simpler than a mechanical derailleur to me. You just tell the servos where you want it positioned in space and it goes there instead of a complicated mechanical linkage design that sort of approximates where you'd like it to go, but has a bunch of compromises in order to handle differences between cog size, chain angle, chain tension, cable-pull leverage ratio, etc. The ability to move differently depending on which cogs the chain is going to/from and precisely control path of movement between cogs seems like a huge improvement over cable actuated derailleurs. Mechanical derailleurs also have almost no control over timing, it's a thumb in one direction and a spring in the other, while servos have complete control over timing so movements can be precisely animated. The "push a button to re-adjust" after tagging a rock is the killer feature for me, less messing about with derailleur and hanger alignment, since it no longer needs to be perfect.
  • 1 0
 @cuban-b: Ghostbusters. Hell yes. In the movie, he was a type of ghost called a "slimer" because of the ectoplasmic slime they left everywhere after passing through a solid object; most notably when Venkman, being played by the legendary Bill " f*ckin " Murray comments after the ghoul passed through him "he slimed me".

Must have been a huge problem for the Sedgewick Hotel, and would have been fine and good after the Ghostbusters handled it if that EPA douche didn't force the power to be turned off of the containment device.
  • 2 0
 Pretty spot on. I feel realy comfortable fixing/replacing/adjusting mechanical components, but I've never felt very comfortable tinkering with electronics. I also value the simplicity of mechanics over electronics, and have an appreciation for components that are field serviceable.

Part of why I ride bikes is to escape (even if only for an hour) the grasp of technology. I like leaving my phone at home, I like not having a GPS to guide my every move, and I like feeling accountable for my actions and decisions. Even with a potentially life saving device like a SPOT I would rather leave it at home because having that kind of safety net takes away from the experience of getting away from it all.
  • 2 0
 I've got two small kids, so I'm lucky if I get on my bike for a decent ride more than once a month. These rides often happen at short notice, so I don't want to pull my bike out of the shed and then realise the battery is flat. Non-electric for me for the foreseeable future.
  • 16 1
 I'm sitting on the fence on this one. As it currently stands I will not be upgrading to an electronic mech but do see the potential for gearboxes.
  • 11 0
 Fartymarty, I won't take your comments about sitting and standing lying down.
  • 7 0
 I wouldn't sit on an electric fence if I were you.
  • 1 0
 @iamamodel: let us get on our knees and pray to pinkbike we are all still on our feet.
  • 19 2
 Next up: anti-matter rear derailleur. We will NOT make a gearbox.
  • 23 9
 Electronic = more problems !
  • 9 8
 Except they are none on di2. If you don't know the product don't talk about it. My first di2 groupset is 6 years old, still working like a charm. Even more reliable and bombproof than good old campy!
  • 7 6
 Yeah, you do not have to replace lines and casing, turning on the clutch does not make you readjust the derailleur and you can use a front mech as easily as running 1xX. So many problems, oh my GOD! But wait, you have to charge it. This is a game changer ! ... for someone who do not use a cellphone, use no headlights and of course never uses a remote for a TV. Batteries are evil, we must fight them !
  • 13 2
 Option 7 Waiting for when it's in a gearbox
  • 4 2
 wireless electric pinion and then maybe
  • 1 2
 @aresiusbe: Exactly!
  • 15 8
 This survey paired with the comments is very revealing about pinkbike in general - as it stands the (small) majority are positive regarding electronic shifting yet the comments are massively negative. Those negative comments are based mainly on ignorance of the product - how you could go 6 months on a charge and then forget to charge it despite blinking warning lights for probably a month resulting in it running out is beyond me. Yet still we have people saying they wouldn't touch it with a barge pole because it could run out on ride...

Saying that I do love the tin foil hat, anti-progress comments on here, its why I'm here...
  • 4 2
 I'm all for e-shifting, but I'm waiting for shimano to release a 12 speed Di2 group. I don't want to jump in now and have to replace it all if they go 12 speed next year.
  • 3 7
flag MWasson (Apr 22, 2016 at 3:21) (Below Threshold)
 Most negative comments are by those who have never tried it. I have and I will not go back to standard cables. Now, I do love my Rohloff...if they made that lighter and in Boost 148, I would be all over it. Shifts like a dream. They display lets you know when the battery is low, but that takes months. It is now in XT at a lower price point. I bet if many would just give it a shot, they would love it. Especially with a front mech. Then it goes from great to unreal.
  • 2 1
 Came here to say just this. People worried about them running flat clearly dont know anything about it. The other thread of objections seems to revolve around fixing in the wilderness (pb speak for halfway round a trailcentre).
Bent hangar means its slightly out of line? you can realign using your phone. Cable snap? irrelevant

short of smashing it with a trail rock, what exactly is there to go wrong?
  • 7 1
 considering how "well" batteries are working in warm, cold or wet conditions, I would say that "anti progress comments" are relevant. Ten years ago you could let a phone at 40°C or -15 for hours without troubles. In 2016, an Iphone 6 shuts down when you ski during a cold day or if ustay on a beach a warm day. Is that the "progress" your talking about?
  • 3 0
 @AyJayDoubleyou: Sadly they can go wrong from what seems like an innocuous crash, the rear derailleurs go into "protection mode" where they swing up to the highest cog and stay there. You can reset them via the console but this doesn't always work. Quite why @shimano have protection mode on the MTB version is a mystery to me, my rear mech is now a very expensive paperweight. I love the way they work, I just wish they weren't as fragile
  • 1 1
 @zede: my anti-progress comment wasn't really specific to di2 but more of a generalisation about a lot of commenters here. Its the attitude that anything new is an abomination that's the problem, in particular when they have no experience of the actual product.
I'm not hell bent on progress for the sake of it or of the persuasion that everything I've got is brilliant and doesn't need changing ever either - a little bit of calm and thought would go a long way with some here.
A ten year old phone will still work with a SIM card today so carry on using it, I for one wouldn't give up my smart phone for a 10 year old one...how would I read pinkbike at work?
  • 1 1
 @Blackers: one of the good things about it being software based though would be the opportunity to do a firmware update to sort out this kind of issue. Its the flexibility of a electronic system, though I don't know if this is possible with current di2. If only bike frames were a piece of software, manufacturers could fix 'preproduction' issues with an over the air update.
  • 1 0
 @Blackers: my understanding is that you have to use 'recovery' mode (which will take about 30 seconds trailside) where it will auto cycle through the gears to check alignment, in case you've bent your hangar or lower cage.

I've just researched Di2 because I'm considering getting it - sounds like you actually have one so that does make your view more valuable than mine. What version do you have?
  • 1 0
 @AyJayDoubleyou: So I've done this recovery mode a half a dozen times, twice at the LBS to prove a point. The derailleur does in fact shift down 2 gears at a time to the bottom gear and then 2 at a time through to the top gear, this is designed to put the derailleur back in sync with the motor. Mine will then stay in the top gear (40t) and not shift out. We tested the hanger (it was never bent, the crash was a "propped on a rock and fell over" event) and found it to be true. I've replaced all 3 cables in the vain hope this was the problem (no joy, still the same) as well as removed the whole set-up from the bike and tried the same thing. I have the latest firmware (Shimano released an update about 2 months ago) but this has made no difference.

We can only surmise that the sensor inside the rear mech is a little screwy, particularly given it does the auto tune thing without a hitch. There doesn't seem to be a fix for this yet and I'm loath to take it apart to see what's inside. They use a special 3 point screw head as well (similar to the Macbook) so it's quite difficult to do so anyway. I'm going to see if Shimano AUS are willing to help/able to repair and will update this post if or when it happens. I got quoted $750AUD to replace the rear derailleur, it's a little over 12 months old so it's an expensive paperweight currently
  • 2 0
 @Blackers: sorry to hear that. Some stuff does just break, even from the Japanese. I had an xt brake that just would not work right with no amount of professional bleeding, pad changes, rotor cleaning...
If only we could combine shimano products with SRAMs return policy.
  • 8 1
 Wait a minute.. slow down bike industry.
gonna race my 26" 10 speed this weekend. I still have to go 1.5" steerer, then tapered steerer, then 15mm axle, then 29", then 11 speed, then 27.5 then fat bike then plus bike.
  • 5 0
 Don't forget boost fork, Boost 12 x 148 wheelset, 1x12.... It is an endless race we can't hope to win or afford
  • 6 0
 My 2 cents I find there to be something fundamentally wrong with plugging my bike into the socket in order for me to go ride. Just jars with what mountain biking is for me. Just me, the bike and the outdoors. Hell, I ride to escape technology not to use it...
  • 10 2
 No. I'll stick to my good old fashioned mechanical stuff please. Bikes are going the same way as cars and i don't like that.
  • 9 1
 Just wait until Tesla unleash their E-Bike with automated overtaking!
  • 1 0
 @darkmuncan: maybe the tesla steering assistance can navigate some 10' drops - which I've certainly never done before - could be worth it!
  • 2 0
 @darkmuncan: At the risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, why stop here? At what point do we just strap into a VR and pretend we rode down the mountain. I appreciate technology but I prefer playing in the dirt the old fashioned way. I like the mechanical feel of a long lever press, jumping through several gears at once. (not sure if Di2 does that) But I'm with a few others here, in that I prefer not to have the unnecessary complexity on a bike.
  • 8 0
 It's all fun and games until the government sues Apple to find out my poor shifting patterns.
  • 3 1
 Thanks for the laugh!
  • 8 2
 It is a cool concept, but I really don't see the benefit in it for me. especially since it is a closed system and you, For example, can't mix DI2 class components freely.
  • 2 4
 Yes you can. You can mix all Di2 components. It would, for example, be possible to run an Xt di2 Derailleur an cassette with Ultegra Road Levers for a single ring cyclocross setup.
  • 3 2
 @Bayonetwork: I had a client who tried, and failed to run Ultegra FD with XTR RD - all Di2 with no success. The software refused to use that combo.
  • 6 1
 None of the above. I'm waiting for a bullet proof gearbox. If it happens to be electric so be it. I feel that is the future, maintenance free, smooth belt or chain line, better rock clearance. DAMN! Sign me up!
  • 6 2
 Made from unicorns tusk.
  • 5 1
 I make my living in tech and part of what I love about bikes is the mechanical elegance. I like wrenching almost as much as riding. I like being able to disassemble and reassemble a trigger shifter (even if I hope I never have to do it again) to fix it. I'm wary of batteries to power anything but lights, not because I'm a luddite, though because I enjoy being able to work on and repair my bike, and ride to get away from operating computers...
  • 5 2
 What happens when moisture gets in the screen, mists up and you can't see the information in front of you? You shouldn't need to be told what gear you are in, you should just know. I guess knowing the battery life is important but at the end of the day, if your going to run out of battery on a ride, you're going to run out no matter if you know or not. Mechanical FTW!
  • 1 0
 The screen is optional, the system works without it.
  • 4 1
 I've tried Di2 & was fully prepared to hate it, as I hate most electrical items in life. After actually riding it, its awesome. The finger effort is minimal more important than you think if you're logging 9hr xc rides like me> & it shifts under any pedalling torque with total precision.
However I still wont buy it, its still really expensive, the vast majority of bikes arent designed to cleanly & securely store the battery & route the cables. But most important for me, its not user bodge/repairable in the wilderness, where I dont want to chance being stuck in a single gear, miles from home.
  • 1 0
 @scantregard Where did you try it? I had a go of a Scott Foil with it when I used to work in a shop, and apart from (for some totally unexplained reason) pressing the wrong bloody button everytime and going up or down when I wanted the opposite, it was bloody amazing.. although ive seen a few people who have dropped their bike and put it into 'safety mode' but updating and diagnosing wasn't a real problem.
  • 1 0
 @steviestokes: my friend who runs yetifan.com has it.
  • 3 0
 Nah, I'm sure it's lovely, but my mechanical XT M8000 system works so beautifully I don't feel the need to spunk a fortune (even half the fortune it was before) on an electric set-up and gears yeah you need 'em - but they're not really very exciting - I've never come home saying "oh my shifting today was awesome".

Another thing, if/when they go wrong I've always been able to MacGyver up something to carry on, or at least limp it home, but electronics, they work, or they don't, and there will be that one time I have to say to my mates "sorry lads, can't make it today, I forgot to charge my gears".
  • 4 1
 I've put 3000km on Di2 Ultegra 10spd with no issue. The front derailleur auto trim feature is great. Everyone once in a while I'll throw the battery on the charger just to be sure. The most common issue I have is forgetting the battery on the charger.
  • 7 5
 To be completely honest, electronic stuff and wireless components will be the way forward. As of now, will I go out and buy di2 or that magura dropper? No. But when I next get a bike, or a seatpost, or a drivetrain, maybe. If long term reviews can prove durability and this is stuff that can operate for more then a few hours at a time, not at some terrible run time before needing charging, I'll switch over eventually.
  • 12 1
 Who the fuk needs a wifi dropper? Really.
  • 4 1
 @Boardlife69: Il admit, its going to be expensive when it goes wrong... and I love the reverb/cable options..

but I think we all share a little bit of dread when we know we've got to re-route, bleed, re-route & cable our droppers. It obviously it becomes second nature eventually.. but I like the idea of just, plug-n-play one day.
  • 4 2
 The roadie reviews of it not working well in cold weather due to the battery have put me off. Being stuck in a single gear miles from home in cr*p cold weather isn't appealing. I'm waiting for the the internal gearboxes to refine and come down in price!
  • 2 0
 I don't think electric is a bad idea. My biggest reservationis with damaging the mech, as I have put a few derailers in the grave in my day. I hate shelling out for a new one and the idea of a higher monetary penalty really puts me off. That being said, I think this argument is like talking about auto vs. manual transmissions. Most people are going to take auto because of it's consistency and ease of use, not to mention that it will always shift faster and cleaner when operating correctly. But some of us still love the tactile sense of physically shifting the car - it feels more engaging and as a result makes the experience more satisfying. Di2 is amazing and great at what it does, but I don't know if I prefer it over the hard ka-chunk of a positive Sram shift, or if I ever will.
  • 2 0
 In the past year I have hit rocks with 3 derailuers. I ripped off an X9, which got replaced with an X7 type 2. Then I ripped off the X7 type 2, and replaced it with an X7. Then I ripped off the X7, and replaced it with a GX because roller bearing cluches were invented for a damn good reason. I want nothing to do with an expensive rear derailuer. I can't even imaging buying another X9 with how much it coats to replace them with how frequently they get ripped off the bike, much less going up to X0, much less going Di2 or Eagle or whatever else they come up with that costs more than $50 online.
  • 2 0
 I should probably also mention that I did break a shifter cable once in the past year. So $1500 worth of Di2 derailuers could have saved me $4 on a cable replacement.
  • 3 1
 Di2 = perfect shifts every time, no matter how much pressure your putting on the pedals. no dropped chain, no broken chains.

Di2 = equal pressure applied to the shifter every time. no missed-shifts, no cable stretch. When your on epic 4 hour rides, you thumbs don't go numb.
  • 2 0
 You should actually be in sales for them. What you wrote improved my unoptomistic opinion.
  • 3 1
 I already have to check tire pressure, shock pressure, and fork pressure before every ride. The last thing I want is to have to make sure my bike is charged. I can't really see any significant advantage by going electric, only negatives.
  • 2 0
 No option that says "im still waiting for the price to drop further"....


We all know prices will go down a lot since several companies such as Microsoft and some other ones stepped into the electric shifting game, and they will be competing by selling them at low price.
  • 2 0
 Would be rad if you could turn the pedals and charge the battery. Just have a training/charging day every 3 months, press a button, adds a little more resistance, but juices up the battery. Also excellent in dead battery scenarios.
  • 2 0
 Im an old man...and I think the opening comments are hilarious. I scroll down to read the funny sarcasm more than the sober inputs. Trust me folks....My professional life is nothing but serious crap 24/7.........life is too short not to be goofy. Its part of the essence of mt biking and being a mt biker....to be goofy, play and have a good time. Cheerio.
  • 3 2
 I'm all for change especially if it leads to better products with longer lifespan. Cables stretch, get muddy, housing breaks and can tangle you up when your flung off your bike. I see the benefits and LED displays are awesome...
  • 2 0
 Where is the button "I don't know and I don't care to figure out yet as what I have now is doing just fine. I'll figure out by the time my current system is dead and I'm in the market for a replacement"? I'd click that.
  • 5 3
 I am waiting for Sram's e-tap version of 1x drivetrains, than I will wait for the price drop. A wireless shifter and a derailleur with changable battery would be so simple and light. Di2 is still too complicated for me.
  • 9 6
 Sram e-tap is trash. Wireless was the solution to avoid and Sram jumped in it. FYI, there is a huge lag between the moment you shift and the moment your mech moves. All due to ... wireless. Wireless consumes too much battery, everything has to leave the sleeping mode before doing anything. There is no sleeping mode with di2, once you have shifted once, it's up and ready to shift anytime you want without waiting. Di2 is the proper way, better than EPS or e-Tap. I know and use or have used all of them through my job. Di2 is nothing else than a fly by wire technology, reliable enough for military airplanes ...
  • 3 2
 I went to Di2 on my enduro bike and it was outstanding.

I am going with the Magua Vyron and Di2 combo this time on my hard tail build.

Most of the Di2 cables will be internal, and the battery in the seatpost tube.

The shifting of a Di2 is better than XX1 and is simple to work on/adjust.
  • 3 2
 I have di2 on my road bike (yeh, I Tarmac brah...) and it's awesome. It's easier to change gear so I change gear more often which means I get tired less quick.

It'll be better when it's wireless, and it will be awesome on my next mountain bike. Oh, and auto-shift already exists for road bikes, it's still quite new, gd reviews though.
  • 1 0
 I tried a bike out with auto electronic shifting, an electric motor and a Nuvinci hub gear which uses some kind of magic to mean there are no steps between the gears. It was weird but pretty nice, constant cadence without any input at any speed. I wouldn't own one due to cost, complexity and lack of that certain something you can't put your finger on but it was cool to ride.
  • 1 0
 I don't know, it seems pretty intense. Personally, unless I'm riding up a mountain, or a legitimate hill, I've always been one to keep my slopestyle bike in a single relatively hard gear. I just added gears back to enable mountain riding from the previous single speed arrangement. Back in the day we'd always ride steep hills that you could only push your bike up anyways, or we'd mess around on streets or ramps, basically all locations where chain slap wasn't adventageous, and pedalling hard uphill was pretty well negated.
  • 3 1
 waiting for bluetooth dropper and suspension, shifting is no so critical for me, however I assume the are lots of benefits going wirelessly, also it would be awesome to have recuperation process implemented
  • 2 1
 That's a bit like asking what do you prefer 26" or 27.5" a couple of years ago. The answer is it don't effing matter, in a few years, if you want top to mid tier equipment from the big manufacturers you WILL be buying electric, like it or not.
  • 1 0
 I have tried XTR D12 and it was lovely, shifted almost telepathically. Too expensive for me but impressive none the less.

I like my main bike to be XT level on the drivetrain so if that means going Di2 next time I buy a full build then that's fine by me. As long as there is the option of mechanical or electric aftermarket I'm fine with that too. As long as it fits on/in the frame without issues then it doesn't really bother me. If the downside of having to charge a battery every 6 months or so is less than the problem of snapping a gear cable mid-ride every now and then (average 2 a year) I'll be happy.
  • 3 0
 I have no problems with a 30T chain ring, 11-36 cassette, and a derailleur. It ain't broke. The problem with mountain bike gears is the derailleur, not the cable.
  • 1 0
 Whatever anyone is going to say, and it's true, you have to decide if you want it or not. But Di2 works perfectly in any condition. Sure Trailside maintenance is not possible, but on the other hand there's a lot less that can go wrong. The chances that the syshem will fail are very low. And for everybody else who i continuing to hate, there will always be mechanical versions of the groupsets, no worries. Be easy and give it a try, not everything new sucks.
  • 3 0
 A buddy of mine just posted a picture on facebook of his road bike connected to his laptop as he was in the process of trying to fix his Di2 that crapped out. It failed in the middle of a long ride and he was stuck to one gear all the way home. So, yeah it can break and when it does you better hope you have internet access.
  • 1 0
 Check out the mobile pictures i just posted on a Kingdom Hex and see how it can be done mostly internally. The rear mech cable run from the BB into the chainstay and came out the back. Battery and Junction B is inside the frame and can be charged from the display unit. Never need to fuss with it again. But If I want it out, I can pull it out easily.
  • 1 0
 I'm just waiting for the price to drop...

So I'll probably be "jumping in" long after they've become standard on most high end bikes, and I can get it second hand, or on a smoking deal from CRC (or whatever the new hot spot is at that time).

Hell I just got a 10 speed cassette last year, to give an idea of how "behind" I am.
  • 1 0
 Id rather work on my bike. tune deraillers, change cables..than to charge my shifter batteries like a smart phone. My bike is my freedom and should be super dependable. Id sacrifice "precise" shifting of the claimed Di2 any day to just have a fun, no bullcrap ride!
  • 2 1
 Some of these comments are hilarious. They remind me of the "You ain't gonna put that git dern fuel infection on my ve-hic-le" There will be growing pains at some point, sure. Electronics aren't the boogeyman they were in the 80's.
  • 2 0
 Where is the "I like the idea, but it is STILL to expensive for me to adopt yet" option?

I can't have a rear mech that costs that much hanging off the back of my bike as attempt to weave through, over and around the rocks.
  • 1 0
 New di2 looks great and I have talked to firsthand users that say it works brilliantly. Still not in my budget range. I'm sure there is still room for the price to come down more. I can wait. I have a new XT M8000 drivetrain and a toolbox full of housing and cables. Patience will pay off as there will be adjustment in price now that drive trains have entered the electronic tech realm. You can count on improvement, innovation, better efficiency, and lower prices every 6 months like my gps watch.
  • 1 0
 I had RockShox's Ei System on my Lapierre Spicy before. I had to change the system 3 times. Ended up replacing the shock. It was a nightmare....a costly one that is. Wonder if this is more reliable but I guess I'll be more cautious about electrical stuff on my bike in the future.
  • 1 0
 I'm going to switch, & here's my reason why: multishifting. as we've crammed more & more gears in the back of the bike, we've made it so that you have to cross more gears to get a big change, when hitting the end of a downhill, or the end of an uphill. Front derailleurs suck, & I'm glad they're gone, but one thing I do miss is the ability to hit one button to go from a fast descending gear to a climbing gear, especially in Arizona where you often hit washes that have steep chutes followed by steep climbs. It was already noticeable in 10 speed, the two gear faster jump you get on a shimano shifter vs a SRAM is really noticeable at the top of a hill when trying to get up to speed.

I've tested Di2 XTR, & being able to hold the button down for multiple changes blows every other option away. it's fast, & easy to do in the heat of the moment. with any luck, at retail the derailleur will be $100 or less, but even if it's $150, I think I'll be buying it.
  • 1 0
 I have DI2 on my cross bike. People saying it needs charging all the time are mistaken. I bought the bike in September and have charged it once and it was still showing green at the time. The batteries really do hold enough charge for many many rides. In that same time I would probably have had to change the gear cables at least once. More often than not when people say "it is too complex" they are really saying "i don't how it works and am afraid of it" like I read about hydraulic brakes versus some POS mechanical. Really they just have never thought about it. An Avid BB7 has a lot of parts for example compared to a hydraulic brake that has two moving parts. Two.

I will say that the electric does not shift much better than mechanical as I also have a Dura Ace equipped road bike. The difference is more in the amount of finger movement needed to actuate a shift. I am fully capable of mis-shifting either system. Some have claimed that because electric works perfectly every time that they shift more often. Not me. I have always shifted often. One thing about electric though, once you click it shifts perfectly. And.Never. Misses. And the front derailleur automatically trims to avoid chain rub. And set up is a breeze. A monkey can do it.

Another thing to consider is full suspension bikes and the sometimes torturous cable routing required that can lead to a heavy shift feel. never an issue for electric.

I am not going to ditch the current mechanical setup for electric though. Once it is tired and worn though I will consider it.
  • 1 0
 I meant to add that the derailleurs are certainly more complex what with motors and gears that assume drive it, but the electric shifter. Is less complex mechanically. Couple of switches.
  • 1 0
 I will give Di a shot when it cheaper, if it ever make me walk 10 miles back to the car, I'll switch back to xtr without hesitation. I ride MTB for decades, the mechanical drive train system never fail to the point that I cannot b repaired on the trail or having any temperature issues.
  • 1 0
 Does anyone know how much the battery, display and extra plus size derailleurs weigh compared to mechanical and cables?
Seems like there are a lot of new ways to make our bikes heavier between dropper post, wider rims, bigger wheels, heavier + size tires. Thanks goodness I can't afford every new idea.
  • 1 0
 491 grams for a 1 x 11 Di2 setup. 408 grams for 1 x11 XTR setup. 386 grams for XX1 setup.
  • 1 0
 @MWasson: Thanks for the weights. So the new shifting system would add about 90 grams to my bike. Currently I have added 322 grams with My Reverb over my old Easton EC90 seatpost. If I add Velocity 35 rims instead of my current velocity SS 555 grams x 2 Vs. current 380 grams x 2 = 350 grams. Then let's talk about new tires my Schwalbe 27.5 x 2.25 tires a racing ralph and nobby nic weigh 530 grams Rac Ralph + 600 gram nics = 1130 grams. Schwalbe 27.5 x 2.8 Nic 860 grams and Rocket Ron 27.5 x 2.8 Liteskin 680 Grams = 1540 Grams. So 410 grams more for tires. 90 Grams Shifters + 322 Grams dropper post + 350 Grams more rims + 410 Grams tires. Now I have all the latest greatest and my bike weighs 1172 Grams more or 2.58lbs more. I still haven't compared my current 27.5 fork to a new Boost fork and hubs but you get the idea. These new items really add some weight to my bike that I worked so hard to reduce in the past. Is this better? You decide.
  • 2 0
 I'm generally not an early adapter, I'm gonna let you all go first, and then when I hear the product offers superior performance and is generally reliable, that's when I'll jump on the bandwagon.
  • 2 0
 The older and fatter I get . I am only looking for larger rear cassette cogs and smaller front CR's for my 1X. I am pretty sure I may need something with an electric motor if this situation keeps progressing.
  • 1 0
 I enjoy the simplicity of a cable. Electric sounds cool and who doesn't like running the newest and fanciest gear, but I'm going to have to pass. I don't need to worry about having my batteries charged up before each ride and I don't need to worry that the system will fail while I'm a hundred miles into the forest!!!
  • 1 0
 The bike has always been a beautiful invention as in itself it is a self sustaining machine. Adding electronics and batteries to it makes it less I feel. Not to mention the hugely negative environmental impact that batteries cause. It is inevitable that electronic gears and power assisted bikes will become more and more mainstream, but I think it is a shame.
  • 1 0
 So I have had XTR di2 for a while now, I run 1x11 using the sram 10-42t cassette and I love it, main advantages are it shifts perfect every time no matter what, even when it's thick in mud it still shift effortlessly, there's quite a few little details like the fact you can't just hold the shifter to shift multiple gear and the second you let off it stops in that gear. It would be good on the DH bike but I wouldn't have it until a rear mech is cheap enough and the advantage is minimal, in all honesty the advantage is minimal on any bike, but I just love the fact it's pretty much fit and forget other than a charge once a month or so.
  • 1 0
 I have had an ingenious idea that may interest the drivetrain companies. Gearing is all based around the minimum cadence we are willing to push before the motion becomes too inefficient to be reasonable, and we then change gear; the opposite is true for changing up a gear. Why then, do the manufacturers not set their electronic groupsets to allow the rider to preset a rough cadence window whereby once this is exceeded in either end of the tolerance, the groups changes gear automatically? Maybe have a trip-out feature for the odd occasion where excess torque is being applied to prevent changing under load
  • 1 0
 Technophobia (from Greek τέχνη technē, "art, skill, craft"[1] and φόβος phobos, "fear"[2]) is the fear or dislike of advanced technology or complex devices, especially computers.[3] Although there are numerous interpretations of technophobia, they seem to become more complex as technology continues to evolve. The term is generally used in the sense of an irrational fear, but others contend fears are justified. It is related to cyberphobia and is the opposite of technophilia. Dr. Larry Rosen, research psychologist, computer educator, and professor at the California State University suggests that there are three dominant subcategories of technophobes- the "uncomfortable users", the "cognitive computerphobes", and "anxious computerphobes".[4] First receiving widespread notice during the Industrial Revolution, technophobia has been observed to affect various societies and communities throughout the world. This has caused some groups to take stances against some modern technological developments in order to preserve their ideologies. In some of these cases, the new technologies conflict with established beliefs, such as the personal values of simplicity and modest lifestyles. A number of examples of technophobic ideas can be found in multiple forms of art, ranging from literary works such as Frankenstein to films like Metropolis. Many of these works portray the darker side of technology as perceived by the technophobic. As technologies become increasingly complex and difficult to understand, people are more likely to harbor anxieties relating to their use of modern technologies.
  • 3 2
 I love shimano but di2 is not for me. I don't want to charge my bike before I can ride it or have that thought of it dieing on me mid ride. Sometimes I go on last minute rides can't do that if I need to charge my bike.
  • 4 0
 I was at a ride day for my shop and the shimano rep was there on a xtr di2 rig and said his battery lasted 6 months without a charge. Although I'm with you on the concern, I have to admit it's a tad irrational. The shift function on his bike was surprisingly smooth and I liked the syncro shift feature, but I'd rather be able to use a tool to fix my stuff on the trail, rather than having to figure out my smart phone to make my bike shift properly.
  • 1 0
 @mbrand721: that's good to know! I love technology but I would be lying if I said i'm not concerned about electronics on my bike. I'm open to new ideas I would love to try it out.
  • 2 0
 That's exactly what i think ! A good wireless system would be nice for noise free and no hassle to go through the frame but the risk to go with a half charged system and ruin your spin is too high. By experience when i do night spin during winter it already happen to me to have some of my lights half charged so will happen even more diring summer on unplanned spins. Maybe if you can swap batteries easily and they are not too heavy to have a spare in the bag.
  • 1 0
 @Balgaroth: they should do different sizes of battery, or a steerer tube quick release system, someting like that. The thing that puts me off is having to have that big ugly heavy battery hanging off my bike. Six months? Much longer than necessary. I'd be happy with a week, honestly. I only ride once a week at best.
  • 1 0
 @jaame: so the batteries are actually designed to mount in either got steer tube or seat tube. I didn't realize that the bike he was riding was Di2 until I looked closer and saw the dash display unit. Which, honestly, looks just like a cycle computer on a road bike.
  • 1 0
 @mbrand721: Additionally, the display is optional. hide the battery in either spot, one wire back to the frame, & if you want a display, connect your garmin to the little wireless module that you could stash anywhere.

That said, I do wish they'd gone with a wireless shifter. literally everything done except actually making the thing, dang it! I can carry a coin cell or two in my pack, & a battery should last at least as long as the di2 battery does between charges.
  • 1 0
 @groghunter: it's almost there i guess. G still want in next year even with wires, but wireless would be better. I thought the battery had to be mounted to lie bottle bosses. That s good about the tube mount.
  • 3 0
 If it finds it's way into the mainstream I'd probably end up with electronic shifting eventually, but I'm in no rush.
  • 1 1
 I'll go straight electronic for my next bike but will keep my old one for some reason.
But there is nothing wrong with the cable for deraileurs as they wont rip of most of the time, but if here is any offer for electronic brakes i'll jump head first as no one wants a ripped hydraulic hose in middle of nowhere, but hey which one is better: ripped hose or empty battery, off course we can charge batteries with the old school tire chargers or just a power bank.
Electronic all my bike except the pedaling power, ill leave that for my older me.
  • 2 0
 When it's wireless and as cheap as SLX 10x is now then I will probably get it when an old derailleur wears out. But I am a cheapskate.
  • 1 0
 I answered on the cable side, but come to think of it, if an XT Di2 pops up second hand and I can afford it, I can clearly imagine myself going for one Smile Just the rear, of course, as I am a simple man Smile
  • 1 0
 I don't see the point in swapping cables for wires, especially when I have to find somewhere to stash the battery. I like the idea of electronic shifting, but I'll wait till it's wireless.
  • 3 0
 I dont want to recharge by bike by any means. I even hate recharging night lights.
  • 1 0
 Good point. I always forget to charge my lights and end up riding in the dark without lights 5 minutes after I turned them on.
  • 3 3
 Cables are the work of the devil, all this technology and engineering going into your bike and then you go and change gear by pushing on a clockwork gear shifter, which pulls a bit of wire inside a shit rubber tube, which then pulls a spring mechanism back and forth?
  • 1 0
 I was out for a spin the other day with a lad who was riding one of Greg Callaghans cubes, batteries went and he only had 3rd. Feck that, ill change a cable every now and again!
  • 1 0
 I think for me the reason for not switching is that I love to run SRAM 1x11 X1. Would love to be able to fit the Di2 to that but I prefer SRAM cassettes with the wider range, without an odd looking 42t,
  • 1 0
 Not sure how you could have possibly missed this all this time, but Shimano setups work fine on SRAM cassettes. It was literally one of the first things people tried when 11 speed XTR came out. It's certainly what I plan to do, DI2 XT on an SRAM cassette.
  • 1 1
 Why do some people fight progress? If there is a better way to shift, I am all for it. IGHs rock, but are heavy.

First is Di2 with wires, then SRAM is going wireless, then Shimano will have to go wireless, and we will all be able to enjoy the progress.

If you are worried about gear range, you can go 11-50 with Shimano right now. If you want two more usable gears, use the front mech with two rings and it will do the shifting for you. It is simply amazing and nearly faultless.
  • 4 1
 Electronic shifting?!? Pfft! What's next? Engines on bikes? What will you call it, a motorbike? Ridiculous.
  • 1 0
 Go back in time and you could say the same about suspension and gears.
  • 1 0
 Electric shifting seems pretty awesome to me, and I agree there's a lot less angry trolls in the comments whining about it. In a couple years when I actually need a new group set this looks like a great option!
  • 3 0
 Yes, some are just angry with the though of progress...but why? When the went to paddle shifters on race cars, no one cried like this. It seems like when progress is being made, some people just complain to complain....the Di2 is great! Richard Cunningham tested it and loved it. I tested it and loved it. Maintenance free as much as it can be. So easy to adjust and change, and the battery lasts half a damn year, and lets you know way before its close to flat. 98% of the arguments in here are unsubstantiated. The only thing is cost, and the XT is cheaper and has some improvements over the XTR (bluetooth connectivity).
  • 1 0
 @MWasson: Exactly! Sooner or later this will most likely be the normal and we'll all be sitting around wondering why we were so restistant!
  • 1 0
 I'm thinking the freeride guys who do tailwips and barspins will like electric shifting. no more cable stretch when you turn the bars all the way around! bring back 9 speed though.
  • 1 1
 As soon as no charging is involved I will have no problem going to electronic shifting. I just don't want to charge my bike. If there was a solar panel on the display that could adequately power the device and store a descent amount of charge I would be all in.
  • 1 0
 The bicycle is by definition a perfect machine..what the fuck you gotta start adding electric this and that do hickeys and what nots. That's a shit ton of razzamatazz and rigmarole I don't need thanks.
  • 1 0
 I want internal cvt gearbox, auto shifting, simulated 13 speed, upgradable to 14 speed. And boost spacing. And integrates with google glasses, backwards compatible with iphone4.
  • 1 1
 I have posted a large amount of information, pictures, bikes and videos relating to Di2 on mountain bikes.

Check it out in the Forums "Di2 Information". A lot of people seemed to be misinformed or lacking basic knowledge of how it works and why it is superior to conventional cable operated systems.
  • 1 0
 I want to be the only power source required to ride my bike. Electric gears is too close to electric bike for me. I have a motorbike licence, if I wanted to ride something with a power source I would.
  • 1 0
 Its only gears, its not like strapping a motor to your bike. I dont know where the resistance comes from. if its good and reasonably priced people will buy it.
  • 10 1
 Resistance is an electrical quantity that measures how the device or material reduces the electric current flow through it
  • 1 2
 @poah: ....... the resistance against electronic groupsets. Grab a coffee and a snickers bud Smile .
  • 5 0
 @bluumax: you missed the joke
  • 2 0
 @poah: Thought you were a super srs pinkbike armchair engineer, went straight over my head mate
  • 1 0
 I cannot wait. No more shitty cables, or tension issues. I love my Zee with a clutch, but hate how firm the lever action is to shift. Sign me up.
  • 1 0
 Sounds like you need to adjust the clutch mechanism in your Zee mech.
  • 1 0
 less cables is good... imagine when the brakes will be without cables too ... FINALLY stem & handlebar will be able to live free ! Big Grin a bike without cables, I vote yes !
  • 3 0
 just get a klunker already Smile
  • 1 0
 haha find me one with 26/140/140
  • 2 0
 It's missing the option, of let's see. I'm interested but haven't seen enough yet to make decisions.
  • 4 1
 I'll be switching to electronic when it becomes wireless.
  • 1 0
 LOL yes so i can hack your Wireless and make you crash MUAHAAHAAH im evil not really.
  • 2 0
 @BTKMADDOG: why would you wanna hack my wireless? I am always the last one up the mountain and the last one down Smile Smile
  • 1 0
 Already happened on the road side with SRAM Red eTap. Hoping it comes to XX1/XO1 soon.
  • 1 0
 For long distance (marathon) keep it simple and repairable.
I don't want more gadgets on the bike that could die and can't be repaired.
  • 4 0
 consumerism 101
  • 1 2
 I'm the who cares camp, I see most of you aren't. We did have the option of going Di2 on my sons Time Trail bike but chose to stick with Dura Ace as we didn't really see the advantage of hefting extra weight about for a millisecond saved although I'm sure at UCI level it will help. I'm very anal about maintaining the drive-train so the self indexing is pointless for me. By all means if you're a Luddite that doesn't have a clue what a limit screw is or want an easy low maintenance solution for your laziness spend away.
  • 4 0
 If you have a Di2 system, and you don't bend the Hanger, it will always work perfectly. No Housing getting dirty, it will always shift like ok the first day.
  • 4 0
 I'm going gearbox
  • 2 3
 Most negative comments are by those who have never tried it. I have and I will not go back to standard cables. Now, I do love my Rohloff...if they made that lighter and in Boost 148, I would be all over it. Shifts like a dream. They display lets you know when the battery is low, but that takes months. It is now in XT at a lower price point. I bet if many would just give it a shot, they would love it. Especially with a front mech. Then it goes from great to unreal.
  • 3 0
 I have plans for a Di2 E-bike
  • 1 2
 This seems like its about a year too early to me. I mean XT Di2 isn't actually available to purchase yet, which means that MTB Di2 is essentially not available yet. That said, i'm not planning on buying in, however I know I will someday, and it's entirely possible that when i'm looking for upgrades next offseason, the mood could strike and I could end up with an electric drivetrain.
  • 1 2
 XTR Di2 for MTBs was released last year.
  • 1 0
 @MWasson: I know. How many riders do you know that have it? Have you ever actually seen it in the wild?

That's my point. Sure it's been "available" for some time. But "available" doesn't mean "accessible".
  • 1 0
 @TheRaven: I have had it on my bike since last year. They come out on some new mountain bikes as well on the high end models. There is another Kingdom in Enduro MTB that has Di2 as well (Greater than the sum of it's Parts article). I do not see a lot of other bikes, as I do not ride in bike parks. I am in Afghanistan and only ride on the mountains on the camp with a few Slovaks and one American.

XTR Di2 has been available at least a year, an now XT Di2 is now also available now on CRC- www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/s?q=xt+di2&cat=direct

Here is an example of a Di2 equipped bike from the factory. They sold these last year as well- www.specialized.com/us/en/bikes/mountain/cross-country/epic/sworks-epic-29/106406
  • 1 0
 @MWasson: So then you see my point. "Available" doesn't mean "accessible". Sure, some riders have XTR Di2...just like some riders own S-works Epic World Cups.

This is what I meant when I said "essentially not available yet".
  • 2 1
 The same people saying no are the same people who said carbon fiber wasn't strong enough for mountain bikes, air shocks didn't work, and tubeless wasn't reliable.
  • 2 0
 I'd rather clicked this: "Waiting a couple of years until all the guinea pigs get the kinks out.
  • 2 1
 Like I sais before...mtb will only be for doctors, dentists, & lawyers. Like what happened to hunting & fishing gear.
  • 1 0
 And you're saying this because the stuff that's on the expensive bikes is now trickling down to lower price points? In a few years there will be Tiagra Di2. And hey, as one of those doctors who loves to ride, just thank yahoos like us with more money than sense or riding ability for subsidizing companies' R&D and enjoy the ride. Smile
  • 1 0
 I'm holding out for SRAM's version. Their road version is all wireless and really elegant. I'll definitely be in line for some XO1 eTap goodness when it's released.
  • 2 0
 Yknow, I actually want the shifter portion to be wireless, & the SRAM stuff is pretty sweet, but I struggle to look at that big knobby battery hanging off the derailleur & call it "elegant."
  • 1 0
 @groghunter: Still more elegant than wires and separate battery packs.
  • 1 0
 @DrPete: separate... battery packs? that's only on SRAM, Shimano uses one battery. that they give you a simple method to hide in the steerer, or you can hide it in the seatpost as long as you have internal routing. Meanwhile, in order to get the batteries small enough to not make the derailleurs huge, the SRAM batteries have far less life before recharging.

Plus they have handlebars & stems that hide all the wires. you can have a Shimano system that literally only has a few inches of wire visible.
  • 1 0
 @groghunter: Right, I meant the one battery. SRAM just has batteries on each component. Perhaps I'm just a lazy bum but the all-wireless setup just strikes me as more elegant, or at least simpler.
  • 1 0
 It would be nice to display what tooth cog you're in rather than display what gear you're in. You'd have to program it, but teeth means more to me than just what gear.
  • 1 0
 That would seem like an easy firmware thing.
  • 1 0
 WOW if you want to fix that better carry a soldering gun and some spare electric wire But is it solar EMP proof and water resistant.
  • 1 0
 My thumb never runs out of batteries. Modern shifters are pretty sweet, even if the electric stuff is "perfect" all of the time.
  • 1 0
 I thought Di2 was dumb and unnecessary until I tried it on a TT bike. Now I'm just waiting for the price to drop.
  • 1 0
 That is damn cheap for electric shifting IMO. However not sure what I would want, although I'd love to try it out on a demo bike one day!
  • 1 0
 It's pretty damn sweet. Don't have it on any of my bikes but now that SRAM's road group is wireless the road bike may get the electric shifting treatment.
  • 2 0
 @DrPete: Im thinking of putting it on the next road bike...
  • 1 0
 i just love the idea I can fix my bike without any major knowledge in technology. I don't want to call an IT guy to fix my bike.
  • 1 0
 no i don't believe in all this di2 crap i think thay should stick with what works it costs too much and is more prone for problems
  • 1 0
 I'd love to go electronic, but need to see more reviews on issues/relibility in the long term. And will wait for SLX Di2 Smile
  • 1 0
 I'd be surprised if the next saint stuff isn't di2. I can't wait for the xt stuff.
  • 1 0
 On the one hand, Apparently Shimano has confirmed somewhere that they have 4 new MTB groups to announce this year, so I was thinking the other two are going to be 11 speed Saint, & Di2 Saint.

But on the other hand, if they're testing it under WC riders, they're doing an amazing job of hiding that shit.
  • 4 4
 For me this is some kind of cheating. Bike idea is that this is mechanical machine not electrical even if it is just about electrical shifting.
  • 6 0
 I agree actually. A bicycle may be a machine, but it should be entirely human powered. There is a value in that to me and as a kind of philosophy with respect to things like trail access. And emotionally: I am surrounded by electronic crap in everyday life, and don't need a computerized bike. The benefit is meaningless, and mechanical designs are more interesting. After all this is s hobby.

I don't even run a gps most of the time, to hell with strava. But for following a new trail, sure that is real progress and doesn't interfere with the experience.
  • 1 0
 Basically the first 2 options are "Yes" and the next 4 are "no". "No" is winning.
  • 2 0
 Will it work with a gearbox?
  • 1 0
 I hope bike brands build in battery areas woth easy quick access rather then a pain to fit and swap.
  • 2 0
 We need market research to sell to Shimano, hurry up and click damnit
  • 1 0
 Just a question of time when SRAM and Shimano will fit the lower gruppos with their electronic systems. I'm fine with it !
  • 1 0
 Nope, I have a gear box on my current bike not going back to derailleurs anytime soon.
  • 1 1
 I'm seriously considering going electric as buying a new SRAM drivetrain is so expensive compared to Shimano's top of the range.
  • 2 1
 Absolutely never it's a money grab for a product that cost no more to make than a cable setup.
  • 1 0
 if its lighter than the cable one, and the battery last long.. i might considering it..
  • 2 1
 So I can add cost and a timed failure to my drive train! where do I sign up?
  • 1 0
 Evidently there is already a long line to sign up as evidenced by these here comments on the pinkbikes interwebsites. Also the poll had those into this sacreligious electric shifter shit as the Leading group by almost 1000
  • 1 0
 Still running a 1x9 xo. Waiting to go to a 1x11 cable setup before anything else
  • 2 1
 mine keeps flashing 12:00A.M.... is there a Shimano Bar somewhere..? please advise.
  • 1 0
 I'm jumping in on the 1x36 Di2 mech with my 173.2 mm fork and the 700 mm dropper
  • 1 0
 I'd buy DI2 if there was no such thing as 1x11. Shifting is already so easy and maintenance free.
  • 1 0
 I'm all for evolution of technology.. However this better not become the new "standard".
  • 1 0
 Cables will go the way of carburetors. And only mechs with missing front teeth will know how to adjust them.
  • 1 0
 If it still drops 200 I can afford it maybe. Or maybe I can wait till they start beeing around as used ones Big Grin
  • 2 0
 Don't be fuc""@@ stupid!!
  • 1 0
 When they make it for dh or even a 10 speed short cage then I will. Not going to buy an enduro bike for a lonnng ways off.
  • 1 0
 If someone else foots the bill every time I crash and damage my derailleur, I'll maybe consider it.
  • 1 0
 If I had the money it would either be a pinion gearbox or Acros hydraulic shifting
  • 1 0
 those mechs are bloomin expensive for items that will probably get ripped off by a lone rock
  • 1 0
 Nice but a bit heavy , I wouldn't run it on my nomad for fear of smashing it and it's a bit portly for a xc bike
  • 1 0
 Where's the "I would love to go electric but it's still too expensive for me" button on the poll??
  • 1 0
 None of these answers reflect my thoughts. I'll go electronic when it's wireless... and when I need a new drivetrain.
  • 4 2
 hell no...
  • 1 0
 S5.5c with Di2 id in my sights..
  • 1 0
 It's ok for those who rides XC but i ride DH no points Smile
  • 1 1
 I can pretty much rig my cable derailleur to get me home, Di2 do I have to call the geek squad to come out to fix it?
  • 2 1
 its unnecessary but inevitable
  • 1 0
 Waiting for wireless 1x with decent gear range!
  • 1 0
 Watch out someone don't hack that stuff, and is it solar emp proof.
  • 3 2
 Yes but only when its wireless and says SRAM on it. Long live the LBS.
  • 1 0
 I just made my own di2 10 speed xtr
  • 2 1
 Internal hub shifting where are you??....battery or not.
  • 1 0
 Not until SRAM makes a wireless Grip Shifter. And no,I'm not joking.
  • 2 0
 Nice a wireless grip shitter great idea
  • 1 0
 So when is the saint di2 group coming out?
  • 2 0
 No thanks
  • 1 1
 No need for an armchair expert pretentious load of waffle answer ... it's a No !
  • 2 1
 Lots of money for slow shifting.
  • 1 0
 The neexy thing would be electric cable and chanless drive terrain..lol
  • 1 0
 looks like my cell phone after 1 call
  • 1 0
 Oh Pinkbike. Your polls have an amusingly unscientific charm.
  • 1 0
 I would actually like more info. How even do you adjust it?
  • 1 0
 Di2 Pinion should be nice!
  • 1 0
 Looks awesome!
I wonder how good it is?
But, my current set up is A-Ok!
  • 1 0
 My Shimano airlines are still holding up.
  • 1 0
 Wheres the "Hell nah" button
  • 2 1
 Exactly
  • 1 1
 Still waiting for the price to drop honestly...
  • 1 1
 Yeah I'm jumping in but the price has still to get lower than that.
  • 1 1
 maybe if the added this to their saint lineup id consider it
  • 1 1
 I feel like a lot of these answers overlap.
  • 1 1
 I want a wireless version.
  • 1 1
 If the price continues to decline, I would consider it.
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