So, what happens next? This is where mountain bikers could make a difference. True, the bill's chances could be better, but let's stop for a second: There's actually a bill in Congress right now. People have always said this would be impossible. That we should settle down, accept whatever bone is tossed our way and consider ourselves lucky. Thanks to the donations and support of mountain bikers this past year, there is now a bill in Congress that could change things. It's a small victory, but it's a victory all the same. That might be good enough for you or perhaps you don't mind being shut out of the Wilderness.
I'm not going to tell you how to feel about this--your opinions are yours and yours alone. If, however, you want access to some Wilderness areas, if you object to the way the Forest Service has been pre-emptively closing hundreds of miles of trails in states such as Montana, if you're tired of not being considered an equal when it comes to Wilderness access, you need to speak up in support of this bill. Now. Right now.
Forget the forums. It’s time for mountain bikers from the states to write their representatives in the Senate and House of Representatives and inform them that they object to the way the Forest Service and other agencies adopted anti-mountain bike policies in the 1980s. Tell your representatives that you are as much of an environmentalist as the guy with the hiking staff or the pack train. Tell them that you are tired of being shut out of Wilderness areas for no valid reason and with no recourse. If you're concerned that this bill could be co-opted and twisted into a Trojan horse for business interests, spell it out in your letter and demand that your representatives maintain the environmental protections afforded by the Wilderness Act. Make yourself heard.
Great article as usual Vernon.
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Did you take the time to exercise your fingers and email your Congress persons? Ya know, to help Mountain bikes?
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You can bet that democratic representatives will be predisposed to kill this thing, in part because of Hatch and Lee's (absolutely deserved) reputation for hating environmental preservation, and because the traditional wilderness/environmental organizations that most democratic representatives typically pay attention to will be telling them it's a horrible bill that will introduce a bunch of hooligans (us) into their precious wilderness areas.
They need your voice to help counter that.
I expect the most powerful letter you could write to a representative who's a member of the democratic party would be something like this:
* I'm your constituent, and deeply concerned about wilderness preservation.
* While I expect you'd be understandably predisposed to oppose anything introduced by Hatch & Lee, they're on the right side of things for once.
* You're going to hear from a lot of traditional wilderness organizations that this is bad for wilderness, but they're wrong. They thing Mountain Bikers are a bunch of hooligans. But they're not. Mountain bikers are conservationists who love experience our natural lands. I'm one of them.
* This bill supports wilderness preservation, by allowing more Americans to experience Wilderness, improving the Forest Service's ability to maintain trails, and gaining a gigantic community's support for wilderness preservation.
Also, don't just write a letter, call. Get your local MTB organization together and request an appointment with your representative(s). The old-guard-mountain-bike-hating environmental organizations are going to be loud on this one. We need to be louder if we want any chance of success.
www.govtrack.us/congress/members
Find your state, click on the senator you want, register to email, and send it off. I've emailed mine, its easy.
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"The bill would not, however, guarantee mountain bikers free reign in every Wilderness area. Instead, the bill requires that the people who manage these lands reconsider granting access to mountain bikes within two years of the bill becoming law. Land managers can still deny mountain bikers access to trails—they retain ultimate control—but if STC’s legislation passes, mountain bikers would have to be considered alongside hikers and equestrians instead of being summarily dismissed."
I tend to agree that some legislators would probably just dismiss the bill outright based on the sponsors, so it's probably important to explain what's in the bill as succinctly as possible in any letter to prevent that.
It's insane that we allow gigantic trail-destroying flower-munching easily-spooked shit machines (which I personally have nothing against) to clop through wilderness areas, but human-powered mountain bikes are banned because they might destroy the pristine wilderness experience.
Just let a horse walk on a smooth really really hardpacked gravel road and let a biker skid as hard as he can. Pretty visual evidence.
Wilderness is a natural, wild, undeveloped area sans any man-made features. I think many anti-bikes-in-Wilderness people see these man-made, technologically-advanced wonder machines we ride as just that: not natural. And I personally can't 100% disagree with that logic.
Sure we are human powered but on downhill sections we are about equal to a moto in all respects but noise. So it really detracts the other users from the "wilderness experience" and as to that horses has a much longer history as a means to explore the wilderness out back
But it sucks that you can access these trails. Sure am glad to be swede sometimes where we can ride bikes where ever out in nature more or less
I think that's the point that needs to be made to land managers and the general public; that in this day and age it's just as natural exploring the Wilderness via a human-powered bicycle as it is with hiking boots on your feet or a horse underneath you. Throw in that bikes aren't as harmful to the trails as they're made out to be, to boot. Unfortunately, I think that's a tough sell.
I don't see how this is equal.
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The current Wilderness implementation is merely a way to exclude another group because of a general dislike, not because we disturb nature. The original act discussed "Human Powered" which includes bikes and was intended to get more people out into nature. Excluding one of the largest and most active groups which use human powered locomotion is not in the spirit of the original intent.
PS. I have nothing against horses or mx bikes
If you want unfettered access to trails then you need to go to Scotland
And on a side note... 10,896 proposed bills in just a year and half? Over regulation much? Land of the free huh?
There is so much acreage...literally miles upon miles that it's against the law to bike. But...road bikers are allowed to get all up in the main parkway road (a skinny as heck 2 lane with many many many blind curves) and they jack up car traffic everyday. How is that in comparison to bikes on a trail out in the woods? I'd say way more dangerous.
Not to mention there is so much space, you could create 2 bike trails for every one hiking trail and have miles and miles between them, never to intersect.
The current situation is just dumb bureaucratic mess.
And also, as someone who has ridden the Blue Ridge Parkway, on road bike, mountain bike and moto, it's scary as hell. Most of the people using that road are tourists, and not paying attention to the windy mountain road, instead they look at the scenery. I get it, it's beautiful up there, but stay in your lane. Virginians, I'm looking at you.
Horses absolutely destroy trails in a way that mountain bikes don't. I've never seen a dedicated mountain bike trail that leaves a 3' gorge through a meadow, the way horses do in the wilderness areas where they're allowed. If the argument is about erosion and trail-damage, the easy counter is to focus on areas where horses are allowed and tearing stuff up.
First and foremost(low hanging fruit) for this legislation is to get the trails that are now in wilderness that were once open to mountain bikes to be re-opened to bikes(ex. Idaho, White Clouds). Any existing trails where mountain bikes are allowed need to be grandfathered in to any new wilderness area...I don't think every trail in wilderness needs to be opened to bikes.
I'm all for the bill, love giving choice to the local managers who know the trails.
I wonder if the discussion would be clarified if future articles could show off places where wilderness riding is reasonable, and other places where it isn't (too steep, loose, wet, crowded.) At least give considerate opponents an idea of how this can work.
Would be useful to land managers to have a set of example parameters, for example a way to allow bikes but not permit riding where the trail can't support it. Bikers would need to use common sense and push their steeds in some areas, regardless of whether they are capable of riding it.
In a perfect world the new wilderness riders would be so conscientious that they're welcomed by all as stewards (pick up trash, etc.) I'd say today that solo trailrunners make the best impression on me: light on their feet, self sufficient and mindful. I also see that the craziest mtb haters hate the trail runners too!
Example of how this can go wrong: open some random trail to bikes, get a bunch of DH shuttling traffic onto remote ill maintained trails and current users will have every right to make a stink. Suppose they tend to be young and have them drinking, leaving garbage behind, playing music, building jumps, etc.
I can think of trails here in the cascades that I *could* ride but my poor skills would mean a bunch of skidding and trail damage. Today we see less fit/ less conscientious hikers eroding trails with poor choices on where they step, cutting the trail, creating rockfall hazard, etc. I expect a casual MTB would be worse than that.
"States rights" will make this even harder. In North Carolina, it is written into the Recreation Management plan that all new trails must be multi-use, allowing horse, hiker and bike traffic. The hikers and equestrians pump more dollars and time into their efforts, while mountain bikers continue to just do what they do: ride renegade/illegal shit until they get caught.
Kids live the moment, while their energy and creativity is used to capitalize and market. If they aren't getting to ride and build the kids of trails they want, they will do it anyway.
First responders will fight this also. EMS crews are already at capacity, with more and more needed in there budgets. If a person falls off a waterfall or wrecks their bike, these guys "need" to be able to get their vehicles into places like remote wilderness. That is a much bigger picture issue, public land managers should not be held accountable for a persons injury. That only happens in America though.
Here in Brevard, a person falls from a waterfall, gets stuck rock climbing or gets lost once a week in the summer.
Locally, this will be challenged even further by groups like hunters and fishermen who claim that their needs are not being met either. Truthfully, hunters are being gentrified and pushed out, culturally and economically. The woods no longer provide fruit bearing trees with enough mass to sustain deer populations, and the food chain has been off whack since humans killed off all the natural predators. Government dollars are being used to fight overpopulation, disease and famine just so people can continue killing in the name of "heritage."
I work at a newspaper, and hear more noise from the hunters about how they have to pay a fee for their form of recreation. I do believe it is unfair that bikers don't have to pay a fee, but ask anyone of us and we would gladly pay up for the privilege. I say stick a gate at the entrance, $2 a car for visitors, annual passes for locals and people who want to buy one.
Compound that with the damage that mountain bike races do when they are held in the rain and mountain bikers aren't making many friends. Interestingly, the trails that are in the worst shape are along the Parkway and in the Wilderness areas, where people aren't supposed to ride.
I don't really believe Wilderness exists, at least not on the East Coast. I have lived in Brevard for 11 years and see this place being trampled. I can hear a train of Harley-Davidson's from nearly anywhere as they cruise the Blue Ridge Parkway. That's not an exaggeration. A group of 100 soft tails blaring classic rock doesn't go unnoticed.
Group camps in Wilderness areas for the literally hundreds of summer and therapy camps grow larger every year, they break off limbs, move rocks, build fire pits and trash everything. They are taught to "Leave No Trace," but that is literally impossible.
Ted Stroll is widely considered a sneaky person. I can verify this, he told me several things on the record, and then came back and told me he never said those things. If you would like proof, send me a message.
You're right, we don't have much room at the table. We're still in the other room, at the kids table, drinking milk. How do we fix that? Show up everyday and do a good job, get involved, pay attention. I am Sisyphus, a kook, uphill everyday.
I actually subscribed to pin bike for that comment (even though I have browsing PB for a long, long time).
What do you actually expect from traditional Eco-friendly associations etc. when all our videos display massive skidding, trail building power tools etc. even fans at WC run chainsaws. @chinaboy is right there is even footage of retarded enduro racers washing their bikes in a mountain river... Seriously? It is bad to do it, it is crazy stupid to show it.
A lot of the videos the community shoots displays "redbull-testosterone loaded rednecks" hacking down trees, shoveling etc. It is the very easy to be pointed out as potential trail hooligans.
I am the only one to see things like this.
The public's perception is based on the riders they see every day. The perception bias you describe is your own. You decry those who are most invested in the sport. It's like middle aged dad shooting up two handed bricks in the back yard complaining that Lebron and Jordan ain't doin' it right. Take the speed, flow, and intensity out of mountain biking and it will have lost it's soul. Just another passionless form of fitness.
I disagree with your second paragraph: how easy for an anti-mtb committee to say: "look, these skidding/builders/negative looking (in their mind) riders are at the forefront of the sport, they even get sponsored for image only (vs. for competition). If we allow mtbikers in our wilderness we will end up with a bunch of rednecks destroying everything. Let's not allow this."
That is not what I think, this is what how hikers see you.
The first leisure use of wilderness was hiking/backpacking and these people are very quiet. Maybe you should adapt to the ones who first used it so you can have access too?
Maybe in the US you do not give much regards to people who were here before you, but now I am just being mean.
Here, 0 chance.
The problem is more the image that it carries more than the act itself.
Image is more important than you think.
@Allmountin: of course I fully agree with you on this one, I was just being mean :-)
Some people are going to have to change the way they ride.
It's going to be more about sharing the trail and safely riding, and less about right of way.
How about specific use trails? Or single use trails if they're called. Backpackers/hikers stay off bike trails, and bikers stay off their trails...sure you'll have the few bad apples, but you can't stop em all.
I guess what I really was trying to say is if it's a bike trail or predominately bike use trail I'm going to ride how I want. But you're 100% right for multi-use trails, you MUST respect the other users to not only keep a high public image of bikers, but simply for respect of others. I guess I just don't use a lot of multi-use trails.
Having said all of that, I want to thank you for being willing to lodge your opinion, knowing that you might get a lot of grief for it. We need to be able to have respectful conversations in which we can also agree to disagree while still being a solid community. In short, while I'm on the other side of the fence from you on this issue, I'm glad you're speaking your mind. Cheers.
As far as Blanchard, I've ridden there a bit and I'll definitely admit I avoid it because of the horse experiences. Just from a horse shit standpoint alone, I don't ride the trails enough to notice the damage they cause nor the lack of their representation when it comes to the dirty work. I 100% do see the frustration in that. That's generally why I stick to areas in Bellingham where I probably won't see anyone, and if I do see them on a bike it's someone I know. So I get that, I avoid a lot of public interaction (even Galbraith as of late) and that's just of bikers alone. I 100% see the frustration and the arguments made.
I will admit, i'm definitely the wrong guy to be arguing any points on this article and I really don't have a say in it. I'm not an avid hiker/back packer nor am I an avid user of the North Cascade wilderness as I'm pretty deep into being a student. Maybe one day, but I totally see where you're coming from.
'Haul ass' and big jumps? Save them for the bike park, trail centre etc.
Natural riding on shared trails? Keep speeds down and be polite to others. Enjoy the views and being 'out there' instead for your kicks.
Not hard is it?
I personally ride a lot in the backcountry. Soft Bounds. Out of bounds. Off resort. Etc. When you're out there you should be aware of the risks. You get hurt, get stuck, cause an avi... you are responsible for what happens. You need a rescue you pay for it. You cause damage or injury to others you deal with it. I am very aware of what I'm doing, where I'm at and what the risks are when doing that.
I think that should be the thought process when riding far out... as it is while hiking. I actually cracked a couple ribs when I was a teenager on a hike because someone screwed up and set off a massive rock slide with many many people below them. I literally jumped on a huge bolder to keep it from taking a group of people out. It took me out.
And I don't see anything wrong with limiting some trails. I mean... does it really make sense to have someone on a bike descending half dome while 2000 people are trying to go up. (idiotic but you get the point).
But I don't like the idea of blanket closures just because.
My favorite riding is 6+ hour backcountry type xc loops. Ill find myself in Wilderness from time to time, and the people I meet are 99% stoked to see a MTBer. Just make sure your bikes don't make noise, don't skid, say hi and remain cordial, slow down for blind turns and just generally share the trail. We all go to the Wilderness for essentially the same reason, and we need to share it.
I don't want to stir the pot, however we can't put aside the fact that Sierra Club are trying to protect the wilderness and the very same environment that we enjoy as well, so I think that they don't want it for themselves only and we as users need to find ways of working together with them and compromise on both side with higher goal of not letting loopholes for sellout to thinly veiled disguised efforts of Big Oil pawns to grab land and lease it to Oil and Gas sector.
Second, one could argue that the Human Powered Travel in Wilderness bill has demonstrated the need for the conservation community to register the MTB community on their radar.
As has been said before, this bill wouldn't exist if the MTB community was actively and meaningfully included in land management decisions. Not just as an afterthought but as equal and willing partners in the process - across the board. This situation we find ourselves in was entirely avoidable. Unfortunately things are likely to get worse before they improve.
For me this is the most troublesome part of the deal. I'm not stoked that mountain biking in the wilderness is tied to allowing the use of chainsaws in the wilderness. I spent a summer working on a wilderness trail crew so I understand how difficult it is to maintain trails without power tools, but not allowing motors into the wilderness is at the very essence of what these places are, and should continue to be. Difficult to get to, remote, wild, some places need to remain this way. Wilderness is the the last preservation of this, and allowing motors of any kind is a slippery slope. First it's just chainsaws, then is it motorcycles, to haul the chainsaws, then is it four wheelers?
I want to be able to ride my mountain bike in wilderness areas where it makes sense, but not at the cost of allowing motors into the wilderness as well.
All motorized transport is still clearly banned. Why does everybody always assume the "slippery slope" scenario?
Do you prefer that no user group gets to use some of these wilderness trails past the first few miles? (I don't know any hikers or horse riders who are going to utilize a trail that has fallen trees every 30 yards)
I understand your concern regarding chainsaws but I am not buying the slippery slope argument. This would be a practical change that would help to improve access to wilderness areas for all user groups. Keep in mind that the intent of the wilderness designation is to both protect our national treasures and to encourage access to those same treasures. This will not realistically happen without allowing chainsaws.
My understanding is similar to that of @iantmcg - a huge portion of their budget goes to fighting fires which are increasing in size/frequency and costs to fight every year.
Dammit, I was really hoping that this was going to be a game changer as I'm dying to ride some of the great trails we lost. The STC f*cked this up. Have they paid no attention to US politics the past 8 years?? This will not stop me from writing my local officials to plead for their support, but there is zero chance they will get on board given the sponsors of this legislation.
I am in full support of keeping some areas hike access only. But I am not in support of the massive amounts of trails that have been made illegal to ride that are literally within minutes of major cities. You can't expect people to only ride in designated skate parks and on man made mtb parks.
Santa Cruz is a prime example. They've completely shut it down. But they can't enforce it. So you have people riding "illegal" trails all the time. In the process occassionally catching flack from rangers and hikers and horses.... that don't expect them out there. Hikers with headphones on.
It creates a hostile environment, a dangerous one. It keeps mtb riders off trails and unable to maintain them... hikers often times don't think twice about trail maintenance. It's kinda like picking up your dog shit. Some do. Most don't. No one picks up their horse shit.
Of course their are bad seeds in all parties.
And I think a huge part of the issue is how much money and how much representation anti-mtb groups have. The MTB community often isn't even aware of backdoor deals that happen and most of the time wouldn't have a chance at stopping it anyways. That was part of my point.
Essentially that was all of my point.
This is all rooted in entitlement and greed, and I don't understand how so many mountain bikers can be so short sighted, so selfish that they're only willing to look at it in terms of the sierra club hating us, and quantifying the erosion impact of mountain biking. The idea of protecting wilderness areas is a legacy we should be glad to pass on along with those pieces of the world that as a direct result of that protection haven't become a playground or dump for our excesses. The sad fact is that many of us are probably motivated about this more due to intransigence about feeling excluded than we are by the thought of riding in that area. We don't need to ride everywhere.
Mountain bikers and wilderness advocates should be natural allies - if conservation groups would recognize this fact and start to work with the mountain biking community to tailor legislation that responsibly conserves the land while still providing reasonable access (or at least the possibility of access) that would go a long way. Instead we get swept under the rug with blanket bans that take local input out of the equation.
This blanket ban on mountain bikes in wilderness areas is inherently wrong (it should be on a case by case basis as this bill proposes) and has pushed many of us to be willing to support whatever legislators are willing to get behind our cause (at least on this specific issue).
How would you like us to be allies other than being given access? Those are just words to get what you want.
I don't disagree that the blanket ban is unnecessary, but that isn't the entire issue here. I see this as a Trojan horse, and I can't believe so many people think this won't prove to be a starting point for future problems with federally protected land, especially looking at who is supporting it.
I also agree with you that the potential for trojan horse riders being added to this bill are a very real concern. I am not naive to the way things work in our bought-and-paid for government.
That said, we have to start somewhere and we have not been able to find any traction on the blue side of the aisle. I sincerely hope that a bi-partisan bill can be crafted from the foundation started with this bill (I highly doubt that the current bill will go anywhere).
Nate, Lander, WY
"WILDERNESS SYSTEM ESTABLISHED STATEMENT OF POLICY
Section 2.(a) In order to assure that an increasing population, accompanied by expanding
settlement and growing mechanization, does not occupy and modify all areas within the United
States and its possessions, leaving no lands designated for preservation and protection in their
natural condition, it is hereby declared to be the policy of the Congress to secure for the
American people of present and future generations the benefits of an enduring resource of
wilderness. For this purpose there is hereby established a National Wilderness Preservation
System to be composed of federally owned areas designated by Congress as ''wilderness
areas'', and these shall be administered for the use and enjoyment of the American people in
such manner as will leave them unimpaired for future use and enjoyment as wilderness, and
so as to provide for the protection of these areas, the preservation of their wilderness
character, and for the gathering and dissemination of information regarding their use and
enjoyment as wilderness; and no Federal lands shall be designated as ''wilderness areas''
except as provided for in this Act or by a subsequent Act."
“If congress had intended that wilderness be administered in so stringent a manner, we would never have written the law as we did…. We wouldn’t have provided for the continuation of non-conforming uses where they were established – including the use of motor boats in part of the Boundary Waters Canoe Area and airfields in the primitive areas here in Idaho. As these examples demonstrate, it was not the intent of congress that wilderness be administered in so pure a fashion as to needlessly restrict its customary public use and enjoyment. Quite the contrary, congress fully intended that wilderness should be managed to allow its use by a wide spectrum of Americans.” – Senator Frank Church from Wilderness In a Balanced Land Use Framework, 1977.
There are so few opportunities for the creation of new Wilderness areas, it would benefit the conservation community to work with bicyclists to maintain historical bicycle access where it's already established as a way of reducing opposition to Wilderness legislation. If the mountain biking community felt they already had a say or already felt included, this bill wouldn't exist. Think about it, what would there be to oppose if the MTB community had some guarantee that a Wilderness designation wouldn't automatically mean a blanket ban on an established use? As an friend of mine always says: "cooler heads will prevail."
On the other hand, there should be some trails open to us, especially ones that the FS is preemptively closing. That's a major bummer, and big loss for us riders.
"(i) IN GENERAL.—The term ‘mechanical transport’ means any method of transportation that—
“(I) travels over ground, snow, or ice; and
“(II) possesses, or is propelled by, a nonliving power source.
Representative Rick Larsen
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I think MTB's are getting an unfair shake by being banned from Wilderness. It is extremely unlikely that MTB's could have anywhere near the negative effect on the environment as horseback activities and ranching/grazing activities which are currently allowed. Proof of this is the 170 year old Oregon trail of which the National Park Services state some 2,000 miles of ruts are still visible and caused mostly by livestock traffic.
In Colorado ranchers run their sheep and cattle in Wilderness Areas, many of which die in streams and contaminate water. Not to mention the endless amounts of defecate that would not be there otherwise (think refilling your water bottle, yes even filtered). Ranchers oppose predators or the re-introduction of them which by definition is the taming of the wilderness. Removing certain species wildlife from wilderness makes it less wild. That's another issue, I digress. People complain and claim that horses have little effect on the environment and that its been this way for ages. Horses which are fed hay from grasses not consistent with what grows in the wilderness introduce seeds that are not native. This is as great of a threat as any in keeping the land pristine. Horses and livestock alike concentrated in areas for decades almost certainly have an erosive effect on land. So while clearly grazing and horseback has a far more negative effect, MTB activities are far less likely to render such damage.
With Hatch and Lee as sponsors of the bill it should be viewed as nefarious at best. It is again as I said not what the bill is currently, but what it will become when all of the requisite pork that will invariably be included implicates. When concessions are made, and they are always made. The lobbying firm hired by the STC may have something to say along the lines of "Its not what we originally set out for, but the best we could do". Rushing headlong into supporting a bill that has yet to see its final draft could prove more detrimental for wilderness than the otherwise well intentioned MTB access argument being presented.
Two issues I have issue with this article part where it states one goal was allowing people to access wilderness under their own power. I just would like to know the source on that statement.
Now the part about the need to "improve the trails" and the trails not being up to forest service standards. Going on an extended trip into a wilderness area where sometimes you can literally go days without encountering another human being is a special experience. Part of that experience is the not only how remote the areas are and rugged the terrain is, but the difficulty of accessing these places via poor trails, route finding, and exploring are all valuable an in my opinion essential aspects of the wilderness experience.
Now for the defense of mountain bikers, one of my main problems with wilderness mountain bike access was just the sheer advantage of covering long distances in short periods, would potentially diminish the idea of wilderness and the experience. Except people already trail run through these areas and large portions of these areas are primarily used only for day use a lot of the time, so is it really true? Who am I or any other wilderness lovers to decide how other individuals should be able to access or enjoy these places and experiences. Equine access is a slap in the face to the mountain bike community, with a much higher environmental impact and also trail degradation. For me when I am out backpacking in the Weminuche it is almost as common to see a horsebacks as it is backpacks in certain areas. I will tell you first hand when you see what ridiculous luxuries these horsemen bring camping or "glamping" it truly is in direct opposition with the true spirit of the wilderness in the first place. Lastly I will finish with the story of Chicago Basin the most popular area in the wilderness where 3 of Colorado's 14ers are located. The vegetation in this basin is completely altered, all the lower levels of the trees branches are stripped from years and years of camp fire overuse, wilderness was originally supposed to restore this areas and the popularity of some these areas have done the opposite and increased the destruction. So to frown on mountain bikers, ignore the many higher impacts of not only equine users, but also the primary users which are hikers and backpackers.
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Mike Lee does not believe that anthropomorphic global warming exists. It is incredibly transparent that Hatch and Lee see this as a foothold to push through more legislation to pry back control of federal lands in Utah, which they have been attempting for years. Dont believe for one second that they remotely give a shit about mountain bikers, or any other recreational users.
The fact that the STC accepted sponsorship of this Bill by Hatch and Lee is mind boggling. It will go nowhere due to who is introducing it, which is a massive disappointment.
I'm no fan of Hatch or Lee, they are corrupt politicians, but they might not have evil motives in this case. Sponsoring a bill to allow bikes in the wilderness does not hurt their base of support so they may be sponsoring it simply because it's no sweat off their back/risk to sponsor it. I'm not saying they are doing it out of the kindness of their heart, but it doesn't cost them any votes and maybe gains them a few.
and you might be onto something about their intentions. until they actually shoehorn bullshit amendments to the bill, i will withhold skepticism. even though this may not be a high priority in their day to day business, it's something that can be approved easily to show constituents that senators are responding to them. or maybe i'm being too optimistic.
Like I said before, the STC should have found a different sponsor. This will go nowhere.
You may be right about the R next to the sponsors names hurting the bill. Sad how politics works.
@westeast: the government invests in multiple sectors that are important, including subsidies to Exxon, Shell, and GM. that's money is not spent to create a conspiracy or to fabricate the risks of climate change. My point is the climate change is not a conspiracy created by scientists to get rich, which was your original unjustified assertion.
The greens are the old reds from the 60s...same folks whom were pushn commi now pushn green, getn that .gov green.
Also came across this other tidbit for you: US Bureau of Labor Statistics (why do we have one of those?) says state and local governments pay 35% more and provide 69% greater benefits than the private sector.
It seems that our government policy is based upon the US concept too: "With the wilderness policy of 1985, the New Zealand government applied more stringent criteria that eliminated ‘developments such as huts, tracks [trails], bridges, signs, and mechanised access’.
www.doc.govt.nz/Documents/science-and-technical/WildernessA.pdf
I completely agree that the erosion created by a horse is far greater than a bike. Anyone who has seen the damage caused by a single horse going through a soft forest trail can concede that. And horse droppings are an issue in such places as they are will potentially spread parasites and disease to local endemic species.
If the definition of wilderness area is comparable to ours I can't see too much issue with this exclusion (if anything its an argument for horse to be added to the ban); however if the definition of wilderness areas includes all national and forest parks with established trail networks and supporting infrastructure – which is what I'm understanding from this article and similar – then this ban seems both unfair and unjustified.
The most alarming thing that I take away from this article is all the activities which are allowed in your 'wilderness areas'. The fact that mining activities are allowed in some wilderness areas should never be used as a justification for allowing riding in such areas. By doing this you are only aligning yourself with the most evil and unethical interested party.
Does this article (or the previous ones) provides any scientific results that relates trail degrades with sports? I would be really interested to see wheter horses are more destructive than bikes or the way around. Because after all, we need to show people that we (bikers) are not the enemy, we do not destroy trails for fun. But even if a such a study would exist, we do already know the answer: bikes are way more destructive than hikers. You want proofs? Just take a look at any MTB video footages (Videos for you monday, for example, here at PB): really, we LOVE ripping trails, in any form and way possible!!!!! (with "we" I'm calling in all the MTB bikers, even the ones that hate it, like myself).
But lets move on... Quote from the article:
Bikes aren’t the only things banned. Any kind of machinery (aside from hand tools) that could be used to do trail maintenance also got the boot. Feel like maintaining tens of thousands of miles of trail annually with nothing more than a Pulaski, McLeod and a handsaw? Anyone who has built more than a couple miles of trail with hand tools will tell you that it’s no way to maintain trails on this kind of massive scale.
I don't know what kind of trails you expect to maintain, but hand tools should really be enough in order to preserve the state of wilderness trails. After all they've probably been build with hand tools!!!!!! Scared of the few trees that have fallen during the winter snow? That's is wilderness too, mate: you can use hand tools to remove them. Any other tools will most likely be used to build some other non-wilderness objects, such as bing jumps and wooden structures. If bikers would behave responsibly, trail mainteinance should be a fast and easy job: but we have already proved that the majority of bikers love to rip trails. Reading the comments above, I have the feeling that a lot of bikers would love to turn wilderness trails into some bike park shit (just read the comments above...).
The article clearly avoid to address e-MTB: are they human powered or mechanically powered? How can you be so sure that they are not humamn powered? In the next decade more and more people will rip trails with them: and they will erode even more trails then we did with our leg-powered bikes. Seriously, how can you forbid access to one but not the other? Most importantly, even if you'll be able to forbid the access to e-MTB, will you be there to control that e-MTB stay out of them?
At the end, you can all see that lifting a ban without putting in some new restrictions (and way to make sure such restrictions will be respected) would be quite harmfull for wilderness. The average MTB biker doesn't care about wilderness, all they do care is having fun, and most of the time this means ripping trails, which is bike-park philosophy and not wilderness philosophy. So, while I'm simpathetic toward the ban lifting, I see this article as a lot of misleading points all written togheter in order to get the attention of the average biker who doesn't give a shit about respect of the wilderness or anyone/anything else but its way of having fun.
Scotland, they have a right to roam law