Friday Randoms: Crankworx Whistler 2016

Aug 20, 2016 at 0:48
by Vernon Felton  


Giant Reign 1 Advanced

Nope, it's not new. Giant's 2017 Reign features the same frame as the 2015 and 2016 models. The Trance is the Giant model that gets the redesign love in `17. So why the picture of a Reign? Because the 2017 Reign Advanced 1 is a stunner. Highlights include Fox suspension, front and rear, a Shimano XT 1x drivetrain and Giant TRX 1 composite wheels. Smart spec.

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It's the little details. The Reign's frame might not be getting a reboot for 2017, but the new kit is impressive all the same. The Fox Float X2 rear shock is the obvious standout, but the 36 Float fork is going to make riders happy as well.



Details:
• Composite main frame, aluminum rear triangle
• 160 millimeters (6.3 inches) of suspension
• Fox 36 Float Performance Elite fork
• Fox Float X2 Performance shock
• Giant TRX 1 composite wheelset
• Shimano XT 1x drivetain
• Shimano XT brakes
• $5,199 (CAD)
The Reign received a major facelift back in 2015 that saw the geometry go about as extreme in the low, slack and long direction as possible at the time. A size Large Reign sports a 640-millimeter (25.2-inch) top tube and a reach of 458 millimeters (18 inches). Pair that with the 65-degree head angle and 160 millimeters of suspension and, well, there's a reason we're seeing a ton of Reign's being ridden around Whistler's bike park. The Reign is less all-mountain rig and more mini-park bike. For 2017, Giant reduced the leverage ratio on the Trance models, making them pedal a bit more briskly. Kind of makes you wonder what will happen to the Reign the next time it goes under the scalpel... Given Giant's recent remodeling rate, you can probably expect a change in design (one way or the other) in the next year or two.




Clapped-Out Super Bike For Sale

There was a time when just about every serious downhill racer rode this bike: The Intense M1. A whole lot of people piloted M1s to national and world championship titles. Sure, the frames may have been painted with some other brand's logo, but there was no mistaking the profile of what was, for years and years, the best damn long-travel bike in the world. Which is why it was kind of sad to see this specimen here in the Whistler plaza...for sale...sad, dejected, sitting alongside a battered toaster oven and a couple of dog-eared romance novels. Okay, there's a bit of poetic license at work here, but you get the idea.

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• One of the most gloried of DH bikes ever built
• Meticulously aged and distressed
• Equipped with Hayes brakes circa, the dawn of time
• Four hundred bucks? Really? Who wouldn't buy it?
How did it come to this? Four hundred bucks? Really? That's all? Come on, people, it's a friggin' M1! It deserves better. Then again, maybe it just deserves a new home. Hopefully, it'll find one.




Giro Terraduro Mid

The Terraduro is already a a popular shoe amongst riders who clip in, but who'd also like to still be able to walk around without looking all ungainly and spastic. A novel idea, right?

Giro Terraduro Mid

The new Terraduro Mid retains all that was good about the Terraduro model and adds a bit of height to the equation. Dirt and water are going to have a hard time infiltrating your socks, thanks to the lace shroud, ankle scree cover and sealed cleat opening. Similarly, the Vibram sole features aggressive lugs that should keep hike-a-bike stumbling to a minimum. All good things.
Details:
• Empire lacing system with shroud
• Breathable DWR Ariaprene scree cover
• Highly water-resistant with lace shroud, water gasket, and sealed cleat opening
• Updated Vibram high-traction lugged outsole with flexible forefoot for walking
• 435 grams (size 42.5)
• $190/ £159 / €189




Scott Grenade EVO Knee Pads

Grenade Pro IIs were a hard pad to beat - plenty of protection in a package that rarely slipped or rubbed your legs raw. With the new Grenade Evos, Scott was aiming to make the pads even better suited to long days in the saddle. While D30 is already well known for being comfortable (it's the soft stuff that firms up when you hit it), Scott upgraded the Evo version with a scored D30 insert that should prove even more flexible.

Crankworx Misc

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The new Grenade Evo pads still use a D30 insert, but this one gets a new tweak.



Details:
• Removable D30 inserts
• Lighter, more comfortable construction
• More tear-resistant pad covering
• Possible to connect Evo knee pad to shin pads
• $160 (CAD)



Yakima DrTray

This new hitch rack from Yakima, the DrTray, won't be available until spring of 2017, but it might be worth the wait. The rack, which Yakima is claiming will be the lightest rack in its class, accommodates everything from fat bikes to skinny-tired road bikes. Cooler yet, Yakima claims that there'll be far fewer moments where you curse and struggle to keep handlebars from knocking into seat posts and frames. How is that possible? You can actually slide the trays back and forth (no tools required) while they're loaded with bikes.

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Each tray accommodates bikes weighing up to 40 pounds. Cost for the new rack? Pricing is still being worked out, but you can expect something in the range of $579 to $600 USD for the two-tray version. You can add a third tray for an additional $229. How about a fourth tray? Nope. It's a three-tray maximum.





104 Comments

  • + 36
 for a budget minded rider, is there any reason not to buy a giant? are there bikes, at lower price points, where the frame is good enough that it overrides having better spec?

genuine question I battle with, myself
  • + 50
 YT fanbooooi droppin in withiiiiiin...
  • + 26
 With the change in geometry making them longer and slacker and suspension refined over the years I can imagine it out-performs a lot of the 'boutique' bikes too. Makes you wonder why you would go to Santa Cruz, Yeti etc if you can only afford the entry level build - The Reign has a very solid spec.
  • + 9
 Well giant is making good bike for a while now. the only bad thing is they have a pressfit bb but i never had issues with mine (and it seems giant pressfit bb are trouble free compared to specialized).
Regarding the price, I would say giant is not what it used to be, before 2013 their prices were among the lowest but then they started to rise and now its nearly similar to other brands.
  • + 7
 Can't agree with you more! While Giant may not make the most trendy or "ahead of the game" bikes out there, they're just generally solid, with good spec and great value. What more can you say?
  • + 9
 The bike industry would be a different place without Giant. From the manufacturing of frames for other brands to pushing the value for $£€ side of things, they always give killer options for us consumers and their suspension design has probably had more R+D into it than any other brand. Refined and perfected.
  • - 75
flag WAKIdesigns (Aug 20, 2016 at 3:00) (Below Threshold)
 @Racer951: Nothing to you personally but generally speaking I strongly believe that the question "why would someone buy a SC or Intense or some other expensive stuff when you have Giant or Canyon?" has only one answer and that is: go fk yourself. That considering how many people buy expensive bikes and that it is none of asking persons business and being a dick about it will never, ever deter anyone from buying a SC bike, it can only give him nodding of some a-holes if that's what he looks up to...
  • + 25
 @WAKIdesigns: Waki do you want to go and re-read what I put or have you not had your morning coffee?

I said 'If you can only afford the entry level build' as I refer to the Giant having a very solid spec for the price-point, something the entry level Santa Cruz / Yeti bikes cant achieve due to much higher frame prices.
  • - 41
flag WAKIdesigns (Aug 20, 2016 at 3:23) (Below Threshold)
 @Racer951: I wasn't criticizing your input. It inspired me to write it though because I often see morons talking "why would anyone" bollocks.
  • + 2
 @zede: i hear what your saying with Giant having gone up a little bit in price but name another brand that gives you quality suspension f+r, carbon frame, carbon wheels and awsome parts spec for these €£$? YT and Canyon come close BUT the fact that those 2 brands are online only means that their price is the same for everyone. Giant being instore gives room for a good price either between stores price battling or, as most of us do, through store loyalty over the years and getting a good deal cause they know you.
  • - 5
flag ctd07 (Aug 20, 2016 at 3:43) (Below Threshold)
 Giants start creaking everywhere after 6 months!?... Well at least my trance has, bottom bracket, fox fork headtube, seat, seat tube, internal routing, all creaking and rattling incessantly in a cacophony of noise
  • - 27
flag zer0c00l44 (Aug 20, 2016 at 3:44) (Below Threshold)
 Yes one big reason, all their bikes are fugly monstrosities.
  • + 4
 @ctd07: did you build you bike yourself and forgot to put grease ?
@slowrider73 : i didnt notice the price was in canadian dollars
So i checked, and a giant reign advanced 1 2016 is 4700€ and it s true that if you compare with the full prices and specs its hard to find something similar.
  • - 6
flag ctd07 (Aug 20, 2016 at 4:36) (Below Threshold)
 @zede: Oh yeh dude, because all giants come in bits and you have to build them yourself 0_o
  • + 2
 @ctd07: yeah idk man, i asked the bikeshop not to build my last bike because i like to do it and when you do it by your self you can wrap the internal cables nicely so there is no noise.
I have no clue whether giant has a policy that forbids this or if the bikes come all built from the factory
  • + 11
 @ctd07: try doing maintenance on your bike then dude. I love how people blame the bike for their lack of maintenance lol bikes don't maintain themselves it's like buying a brand new car and then not bothering to ever give it an oil change lol. I own a 2012 reign 1 and as long as I keep the pivots greased every few months I doesn't make a sound!!!
  • - 12
flag ctd07 (Aug 20, 2016 at 6:36) (Below Threshold)
 @mhoshal: Fox forks are notorious for creaking on the scu assembly, u cant 'grease' that, same goes for the press fit bottom bracket, I don't have the right tools to take it out, and it simply isn't worth ripping put all the cables/hoses so I can pad them up so they just rattle. The saddle also started creaking, again this cant be 'serviced'. I regularly clean and service my bike, but the creaking and rattling ain't going away soon
  • + 9
 @ctd07: are you a moron?

A well maintained bike shouldn't creak ot rattle.

I've got a brand new 2016 reign and I LOVE it.

You'll never get a better bike that performs as well as a giant for the price.
  • + 15
 @ctd07: when I bought my Reign, I took it completely apart, all the way down to the suspension pivots. To make sure that there was proper grease everywhere that needed it and that things were tightened down properly.
Oh, and my Pike creaks too. Press fit BB? 90% of the new bikes on the market have a press fit. Get some black RTV silicone, slap it on the cups and the frame, and press it back in. Don't have the tools? Their cheap, X-Tools makes a nice for the money $50 press and all you otherwise need is a 3/4"-1" pvc or wooden dowel to pound out the BB. Creaky head tube? Use those same tools and if you have an alloy frame, grease the cups and bearings faces. If carbon, clean cups and frame and re-install. Internal cables? Get some 3/8" neoprene tubing and slide that over the housing/hoses or weatherstripping and wrap that around a d slap it back in. Seat tube creaking? Pull out your seatpost and grease the internal tube. Seat creaking? Drip some Phil's tenacious oil or chain lube where the seat rails connect with the saddle or replace the super cheap seat that spec it with because they expect 80% of people to find a better one to fit them anyhow.
To you it sounds like a lot of reason why your bike sucks D, when the rest of us just see it as excuses to why you're being lazy about bike maintenance.
And Fox warranties the CSU assembly for creaking FYI.
  • + 3
 @Racer951: Should check out how competitive the kits and prices are on the new '17 Santa Cruz lineup? Had a customer heading towards a YT bike, however new 17 Bronson alloy S kit w/ 1x, Pike, Reverb & *hand built wheels was only a couple hundred dollars more than similar spec YT when I provided a small amount of good customer pricing. Also, our shop just donated a $1000 us dollars for the local trail building............... does YT or Canyon do that? *All wheel options from Santa Cruz are hand built on their in house wheel line.
  • + 1
 @bike98826: I dont think its all the wheels... When you get a low spec bike like the one that comes with wtbs ST wheels, they send those in as a whole. When it has an ENVE build, they build those. Im pretty sure thats all.
  • + 3
 Ride it! If you like it buy it. With all the new stuff out there theres lots of deals on very good quality new, last years bikes, demos and used ones too. Do the research, shop hard get a great deal.
  • + 2
 @bike98826: IIRC Santa Cruz's wheels are not hand built. I do remember just a few months ago that bikes were being delayed because their wheel building machine was down.
Hand built wheels aren't always better anyhow. Maybe by a well-experienced shop wrench, but I've put my hands on many of hand built wheels released by companies that out of round, aren't straight, and don't have a balanced tension. When you're building wheels as fast as they have to, mistakes are more likely to happen.
Ie: Intense. Intense had hand built bikes for years, but many of them came crooked, out of tolerance, hub spacing too wide or too narrow. They starting buying bikes from overseas and now their QC (and warranty!) has seen a massive boost.
  • + 7
 @mtnbykr05: That's what I was thinking since some time - hand built in US or Hand built in UK: and so fkng what if we are speaking strictly about quality and performance? How exactly is Jose or Harry, a guaranteed better welder or wheel builder than Chin Gzu Chao?
  • - 1
 I came from a 2014 giant trance x1 27.5 to a SC nomad.

The trance retailed for 3200ish if i remember right. The fox fork on it was utter garbage, so was the shock. I overheated the shock constantly. The rear end flexed quite a bit and the offset rocker linkage hit my right calf while pedaling, but not my left. The rear rocker linkage had a ton of flex in it. By the time i replaced the wheels to something better (scored some takeoffs from a '16 reign), a fox float factory 34 and new headset because of the crappy overdrive 2, and a decent cockpit i was into the bike over 4k and my rear shock still needed to go. Decided to cut my losses with the giant at that point.

I bought a '15 nomad slightly used for 4k with the x1 build, the wheels were cheap sram hubs on narrow wtbs, but they were stiff. I was able to put 800 miles on it without putting a dime into it. The SC also progressed my riding over the last year better than my last 3 since i was way more confident, the bike didn't get trashed and i knew what the bike could do under better riders than me.

I've scored some takeoff carbon SC bars and just put some i9 wheels on it but that was because i chose to, not because the stock parts broke. The wheels were a birthday present. I did have to put bigger rotors on it this year as i started overheating the 180s that came on the bike. I blame that in me becoming a better rider, braking later and harder.

I wouldn't think twice about buying another SC bike once i knew what i wanted. I was faster on a few pedaly trails with the giant.

Giant offers a killer bike for the money, when you're price shopping remember giant usually offers carbon wheels at a much lower pricepoint. Now giants come with respectable suspension and decent wheels i would ride one again. The new trance looks like it fixed all the issues i had with my previous gen as well.

I recommend giant to people who are just getting into their first suspension bike for sure.
  • + 2
 @chillrider199: I've recently been inside their facility and watched the wheels being built in all the various hub & rim combinations, it's not just the Enve/I9 combos. My experience with the wheels is that they are very solid and great hub/rim value at each of their price points. Just saw a pretty nice new Ibis come with Sta Tru hubs and they were on their 3rd freehub in a month. I haven't had to do a single wheel tension or hub service to a customers Santa Cruz bike within the 1st year of use ever.
  • + 4
 @zede: I just replaced my 2006 Reign 1 with a 2016 YT Capra AL Comp 1. Same MSRP.
  • + 3
 @bike98826: okay. But just saying, free hubs have nothing to do with a wheel being built. Thats just faulty hubs.
  • + 0
 Polygon. Definitely
  • + 1
 @Racer951: yes sir carbon wheels to boot for 5100 ????
  • + 3
 @Racer951: I've had carbon giant 5kish,now yetis carbon at similar price.thought it might be abit of a Wendy bike when I got it..but now I've got to admit its light years better than giants plastic.period.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: eyesight.its all down to eyesight.unfortunatley it's very hard to do continuous welding of high quality,when you need to stop and give your specs a wipe to rid them of perspirationSmile
  • + 1
 @Ninjasstolemytv You my friend are a smart man! These Reigns Absolutely Rip! Plain and simple.
  • + 3
 Giants are the bomb thats all, put the money for it you wont regret it Wink
  • + 1
 My Giant Reign(2010) out climbed my SC Nomad(2010) all day, but the Nomad barely topped the Reign on the descent.
  • + 1
 @ecly13:

I had a 2012 reign x0. It was one of my least favorite bikes to date. It was like a long travel xc bike
  • + 2
 @mtnbykr05: Good info, cheers buddy, might try some of those things, at the moment the noises are terrible, I've never had a noisy bike before - how do u go about getting warranty in the csu and how many years is the warranty do u know?
  • - 1
 @ctd07: everything you just mentioned can be serviced or done by own hands lol you really don't know anything about the mechanics with bikes clearly lol saying you don't have the right tools tells me your a noob that doesn't wrench their bike at all do yourself a favor learn!!!
  • + 1
 @mhoshal: I'll be honest, apart from a press fit bn press, I have all the tools, I used to be an agricultural mechanic for 7 years and as such, I hate fixing stuff now, it is annoying how easy the bike creaks and I have sorted the seat/post once before but it started creaking again very quickly, found it was actually grit under the seatclamp collar causing it. My point is more that I've never had a bike so much noise after only 6 months before sans-maintenance, any other bike I've owned has normally lasted a couple of years before it needed stripping down. Plus the fork csu is the main noise and that cant be fixed. Yeh I'm too lazy to service my bike other than oiling the drive chain, but it still makes way to many noises for how new it is, I've read a lot if negative reports on press fit bbs and now experience it first hand, I'm aware it could be fixed my removing and regreasing, but bbs used to me a fit and forget item in the past that basically never needed servicing
  • + 2
 @Larkey1: Have you heard a well maintained Gambler?
  • + 1
 @bike98826: If I had the money I would defiantly buy from a shop. Some of us just don't have that much dough tho...
  • + 1
 @UtahBikeMike: To be fair, the Nomad is comparable to a Reign, rather than the Trance.
I generally think that Giant offer great value for money, and possibly keep other manufacturers honest in regards to pricing. As for 'dentist' bikes, I've got no issue with it. If you can afford an S Works, or carbon Santa Cruz, then good on you. Those bikes often turn up 5 years later at the fraction of the cost, with little use and can be awesome to ride.
  • + 2
 @ctd07: Fox has a service form online to receive an RA. You'll send it to them for an evaluation, and if it's under warranty they'll set you up at no cost. If it isn't, they'll call you and ask if you would like a new CSU. They've been known to stretch the time frame for known issues with an era of product, and I've even seen upgrades to kashima a time or two.
*This is for US only and don't know how or what may differ for anyone South Pacific.
  • + 1
 In Canada with the currency the way it is, Devinici is definitely competitive, and the Alu frames are made here too.
  • + 3
 @ctd07: so basically the only real problem you had was with the fox fork creaking and you blame the rest of the bike for a fork you could have had warrenteed. What kind of fork are you riding now?
  • - 1
 Giants are cheap, relatively, here in Australia but they were always expensive like spesh when I lived in the U.S.A. They have enough money and not enough innovation and fuckem for dropping Danny.
  • + 1
 @ChazzMichaelMichaels:

I had a 2012 reign xo before my trance. The trance was a way better bike in every way. The geo on the reign was garbage until they fixed it with this generation. I have no experience with the current reign, but it looks to be a way better bike.
  • + 1
 @choppertank3e: don't really think they "dropped" Danny. Seeing Danny and his spark fade through his time with Giant, I would presume it was his decision to look elsewhere. Any large corporate bike company uses their riders as a marketing tool, and bouncing them from one corporate event to the next. This tires and bores the rider, enough to suck out their drive to do better. Mitch Ropelato on Specialized is a fine example. They pushed so hard to have him ride what they wanted and you could see his results dwindle because he wasn't doing what he was most passionate about- Racing DH and Gated events, not Enduro on a 29'r. If that's really what he wanted, I'm sure he would be riding a Hightower and not a 5010.
  • + 26
 Does anybody else think @wakidesigns is such a know it all wannabe try hard?
  • + 10
 Better question. Is there anybody left who doesn't think that?
  • + 1
 @topherdagopher: yes me.his edification on us is compelling.a true giant amongst us yetis.i also want to play with his man breasts while sniffing a few santas eyebrows of his saddleWink
  • + 7
 I think he's been getting worse over the last few weeks. Seems like he tries to write shocking things or even twist peoples words around just so he can have a rant.
  • + 3
 Haha yep hes a bit special alright. I like him though. Just gotta sift through some of the BS and hes good value. Cmon weve all gotta admit that at some point hes made ya laugh!!!! .......and the boy can draw !
  • + 14
 The Intense got about the best sales advertising the owner could hope for..
  • + 5
 Is the Reign red or some sort of bright red with orange hues ?
1st pic it looks almost orange, small pic it looks simply red.
Is it my screen or one of those pic has a totally wrong color balance ?
  • + 1
 In the stock images it looks red. In that one image it looks orange? Maybe the picture was altered somehow? Because i can't see the sun making the bike go from such a dark red to to such a bright orange like that. I like the orange better though Razz
  • + 3
 Its listed as "Neon Red" on giants website
  • + 3
 It's closer to the small picture: red.
  • + 7
 That Reign or a Deore equipped Intense...hmmm...?
  • + 5
 Soooo many nice bikes out there right now. Was never a huge fan of Giant, but this Reign just looks so damn nice.
  • + 1
 I've never had a yakima product that still looked decent after a year or two. For the price they should withstand the weather much better. And Thule isn't much better... In fact there's no rack you can buy that still looks good after a year or two. They should start using better automotive paint, less plastics, covered hardware, etc.
  • + 1
 Super interested in those shoes. One of the reasons I am hesitant to buy 5tens offering for clipless shoes is the tread pattern. While it may be great for riding, hiking or pushing up muddy hills is just not an option for many 5ten shoes.
  • + 0
 Brits cannot accept they aren't the owners of english anymore...now it's an international tool...so it can't be so Londonistic sic as they used to love it
I can't stand that so girly brit accent you use when you talk...only islanders can understand...be welcome to XXI century globalization...sons of Great Britain (that is what we say here in Spain as a despective word to someone)
XOXOXO
  • + 0
 agree with rickbanks89 ,as a father of a child with cerabal palsy and as one with a good cense of humour generally i find that referance pretty lame PB go buy a dictionary and lift your game .
Freedom of speech ?
Really !!
have a long look at yourself A -merica and the trouble you have at home with your racial divide and the use of the N word mate and the hate that results.
Sorry rant over carry on.
  • + 2
 Will the new terraduro delaminate like the POS older model on it's first ride?
  • + 3
 Hopefully they have solved their sole delam issues. Major issues with the previous ones.
  • + 3
 I would like to see a review of a 2012 Canfield one in comparison .
  • + 3
 New Terras look mint....proper bomb proof
  • + 1
 Dear Giro, can you please do that shoe for flat pedals as well, it looks the bollocks and has some great features.
  • + 3
 I'm not offended.
  • + 2
 "looking all ungainly and spastic" come one Pinkbike.
  • + 13
 Pinkbike, you have offended two Brits!
  • - 5
flag kelownakona (Aug 20, 2016 at 10:24) (Below Threshold)
 @DJ-24: because North Americans don't understand the root of their own language.

Typical
  • + 1
 Nice bike but wheres the dropper?
  • + 3
 There is the dropper post, the saddle is dropped
  • + 1
 That is the first Giant of which I’ve ever like the looks.
  • + 0
 Giant used to look soooo lame. But not anymore. I'm riding a trance sx, yes, it rocks
  • + 4
 In your opinion they looked lame bud... I still think my 06 anodized blue glory was one of the nicest looking dh bikes ever made!!!
  • + 1
 @mhoshal: Glory were always top, particularly your 06 glory, I clearly remember it ;-)
  • - 1
 Spastic? Really need to rethink your word choice PB!
  • + 7
 The word has a completely different meaning and connotation in North America. I'm sorry you were offended but there was obviously no harm intended.
  • + 4
 Why? We enjoy a little something called freedom of speech.
  • + 1
 I guess there are no British words that are used that are offensive to other English speaking countries. Oh wait lol
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