WAKi-leaks Installment 5 - 2x2 Zoopa-drive

May 27, 2014 at 15:59
by Wacek Kipszak  
Waki-leak nr 5 . Deutche amp Gabbana Zoopa Drive

In recent days, on Pinkbike, we've had the opportunity to read two "opinion" articles on electric engine, assisted mountain bikes. For some years now this genre was slowly growing, mostly amongst smaller companies coming mainly from Germany, but the 2013 Eurobike show has shown that even more mainstream companies like Scott or LaPierre are coming up with designs for such bicycles. Let's be honest, the topic is very controversial, everyone is asking themselves questions, "how far can we go with that?", "why don't we just buy a motor bike?", "How bad is it compared to shuttling or lifts?" The insults are flying! I wanted to ask some hard questions to people making those bikes.

I met Andreas Morgentoser and Klaus Sprachfluss from an upcoming company called "Deutche und Gabbana" who shared their ground braking design with me. Their main philosophy is to make electric bikes appear less like freaks, they want to make them look and work better. In their own words: "Se first yeer vi vent to Eurobike vi undaehstood sat se most eylecthric baycycles look tehribell. Vi vanted to shov se vorld sat it can be done in a mohr innovaytive vay, in a metch bettehr looking peckedge, Vi olzo undaehstood sat if four veel, tzvoo axel dhive car is bettehr in teyreyn sat one axel dhive, sen se same principell can be used in mauntein biking ".

2x2 is not a new concept in trekking or transport bicycles, but it will be its first shot in mountain biking. The whole system, the front engine, rear engine and the battery, can be mounted on most mountain bike frames as well as most forks as long as they are equipped with 15mm or 20mm thru-axle. Actually it is the fork where the most innovation takes place. A special front hub comes along with the system, but it uses a classic 32 hole layout so you can lace your favorite rim to it. The whole kit weighs 11,2kg, the fork engine alone adds 1,3kg to the fork. Battery can last up to 3000 vertical feet. The maximum speed reached by Andreas on a horizontal asphalt surface was 67km/h.

Waki-leak nr 5 . Deutche amp Gabbana Zoopa Drive
Details of the Front Engine

The creators claim that one engine is like 26" wheels, we need to move forward, the second engine adds traction on steepest uphills, keeps bike tracking in the corners when on power and according to their tests increases your chance of getting a KOM by a good margin. Also like with Tornado airplane, if one engine fails the other one can still get you home. Klaus added that 2x2 Zoopa Drive improves the stability and cornering as it lowers the center of gravity of the whole bicycle. They said that this set of engines gives you a chance to uphill like XC and downhill like a DH bike. It has been underlined for me that it is just a tool, like a knife; you can onions with it, and you can stab people, choice is yours. He told me a story of a permanently injured rider that could keep on riding thanks to that, a guy who broke his pelvis so badly yet his biggest pain was a very thought that he may never ride again. He also got a touching testimonial of a 34 year old student with an eating disorder who could choose a healthy life style of riding a bike, instead of wasting his life away, being addicted to fantasy series full of aggressive sex scenes. They can all enjoy mountain biking only thanks to electric engine assist. The more mountain bikers the better is at the very core at Deutche & Gabbana: more riders, riding more. We all want our sport to grow. For the greater good, for the better trails...

Klaus asked me if I want to try one and I said sure, but I would ride it on a regular basis. I like hardship, I like to be exposed to my own weakness. They replied that I can get tired, But at a higher speed, having more fun! My counter was that I want mountains to stay big to me. I don't ride for speed, it is important to me but it is not why I bike, descent is like an ice cream to me, awesome but I cannot live eating just that. So we agreed that we all have our own painkillers, chair lifts, lighter wheels, more suspension travel, stronger brakes... the progress is always up to the one that wants to progress. We are who we are, same tool that will kick me in the butt, can make another person stagnate.

Thank you for reading
Arguably Yours
Wacek Kipszak

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Disclaimer: This article is meant to be a satire. My very intention with it is to entertain you and eventually provide some food for reflection in case we treat our sport a bit too seriously. I honestly do not wish to insult or harm anyone or any company. Eventual resemblance to persons, names and places might be coincidental. Certain parts of text may not express the true beliefs of the author and may be deeply ironical.


114 Comments

  • + 165
 I dont like the idea of weak people riding bikes in the mountains
  • + 54
 This. If you cant be fit to ride up. You probably gonna cause traffic jams all the way down.
  • - 99
flag RedOnion (Jun 3, 2014 at 3:05) (Below Threshold)
 That comment coming from a german sounds super racist!
  • + 71
 Says the same group of dudes who go to bike parks with lifts, and get shuttles to the top when available.
  • + 54
 What because all Germans are sons of Hitler??? Idiot!!!!
  • + 23
 @onion

Who is this Julius Caesar? You know I don't follow the NBA!
  • + 11
 @RedOnion & StueyStuey: Yes, all germans are Nazies because of a few maniacs 70 years ago... oh wait wasn't AH actually born in Austria?! Has all this shit about german racists been Austrian fasist propaganda all along?!!!

Seriously i'm with bOObdesign on this one. If you cant ride a bike in the mountains without electronic assist you shouldn't be doing it. I'm not talking about bikeparks with a rider coming down the trail every 15 seconds, that should be pretty safe. But riding in real mountains where bailing a disabled after a broken chain or blown tire requires a lift with a helicopter reeeally isn't a good idea.
  • + 6
 Amen!
  • + 13
 @ bOObdesign

LOL, at first I read it as "I dont like the idea of WAKI riding bikes in the mountains"
  • + 9
 people freak out very easily here. i'm sure redonion was just joking
  • + 6
 Not sure I'm getting why this concept/technology is getting so much abuse. You don't like it, don't buy/ride it! simple.

Sure I agree you can call it lazy to let the bike do some work for you, but is it any lazier than someone taking an uplift?

But more importantly, and he uses an example in the post, some people may have some form of disability and need the assistance.

a short one for bOObdesign, its arrogant pr!cks like you that discourage folks from getting into biking. we all start weak and with time and practice get strong and develop our skills.
  • + 0
 @BushmanSteve

we start off weak but you're not going to get any stronger if you don't do any work. also if you have a disability maybe mtb isn't for you
  • + 9
 BushmanSteve. I try to make this stuff open for interpretation. You are entitled to find whatever you want in it Smile I have no problem with the technology, this is a tool. I do not hide though, that in my world view, in a twisted selfish, maybe elistist way, I think that there are billions of people who should not ride bikes. For their own well being as well as well as of every cyclist. I deeply believe in the calling, you must have a sincere calling to a particular activity within you, otherwise you will not realize your ambitions through it. You will just buy another piece of equipment. That is irrelevant whether it is a electric engine, new fork, softer tyre compound, carbon wheels or a chairlift. Quite honestly, nothing did more to get more people to the "actual mountain biking" sport than the emergence of more affordable and better mid-travel full suspension bikes, things that can pedal to the top and that will allow you to deal with technical features you would not dare to try on a XC bike. No electric engine will ever challenge that.

I do not wish to decide who is worthy or unworthy, but I find the non-ciritcaly positive stoke to get more people to the sport as a short sighted thinking of an imbecile. There is more of perfectly normal, yet primitive search for acceptance in it, getting people to accept you and appreciate you by being involved in the same activity, than true will to get people do what you think would be good for them. Then there's a big deal of narcisism in it. Cycling is better than nothing but it is not a healthy activity. It may be an activity than makes you excell in your mind and body, but there is no equality sign between cycling and health, as with any sport anyways. People who do study human body, what it needs to stay healthy, like physioherapists, will tell you: all you need for health is some long walk and basic mobility exercises. Mountain Biking is a luxurious adrenaline boosting sport, not a cure to cope with disfunctions.
  • + 3
 @waki I see what you're saying, and I also disagree with some of the non-critically positive stuff. The main problem with it, though, is that almost 100% of the people I've introduced to mountain biking (by letting them borrow bikes, helping them pick out cheap ones to start on, etc) have really enjoyed getting into it, and even if they don't end up being obsessed with it the way a lot of people here do, they find it to be a superior way to get out and get your exercise; it's technically challenging, there's a controllable level of risk involved, and you can do it by yourself (ie not a team sport). It's a way more universal thing than your post implies, because it doesn't have to be some sacred "finding yourself" type of calling (it definitely isn't for me); it's exactly the same as learning to push yourself in any other sport/hobby/job, there's just more action. The barrier to people starting mtb isn't usually that they're not 'meant' to do it, it's that they don't know about it, or there's an initial cost/knowledge barrier to cross when picking out a bike and learning to ride.

As ppl are always saying, more people in the sport means cheaper/better equipment for everyone, and hopefully eventually more trails to ride and better maintenance, stuff like that. Does some of the tech make it "too easy"? Sure, that's why I like riding rigid bikes sometimes, or why my only mtb is an xc bike. But that's up to the individual. One thing I do know, however, is that if you EVER ride lifts or shuttle in cars, you have no room to criticize ANYBODY, whether it's Di2, electric bikes, whatever.
  • + 7
 So much of this BS reminds me of the fat/rockered ski debate when those first came out. "It's too easy!" "You're really just skiing a shorter ski!" "What happened to working on technique???" "Anybody can slash down a mountain on those!" "Now the noobs can ride all my stashes!" If you're an oldtimer earning your turns all the way to the top of the Rockies/Alps/whatever on some old-ass skinny tele skis (or a hardtail), hate away. Otherwise, realize you depend just as much on technology as they do, and it's everyone's choice to use it or not. If someone is actually ruining your ride or trashing your trails, go ahead and call them out. But if you're just annoyed that they're enjoying themselves on some equipment you don't like, get over yourself and ride on.

All of which is to say, I'm annoyed with many of the forum discussions lately, but I really liked the way you ended the piece. Very well done! Another excellent piece of Waki satire. Keep up the good work! Smile
  • + 7
 "One thing I do know, however, is that if you EVER ride lifts or shuttle in cars, you have no room to criticize ANYBODY, whether it's Di2, electric bikes, whatever" - that is just "morality, righteousness, truth", big word transcendence BS. Everyone can criticize and judge whoever he wants on anything. The further your words and beliefs fly from what you do and who you are, the more often you throw sht at others, the more sour you get, the less enjoyment from life you have. The more you channel your super ego on others, more you run from it, the more power it gets over you. It's your choice. And about the people getting the sht? - grow some thick skin, life's tough.
  • + 3
 Ive honestly never read such drivel
  • + 3
 Ride whatever you want. But if you ride 3x more trails with one of these, you better be fixing 3x more trails.
  • + 2
 HoboG - thank you, nobody should. I was meant to stop writing such try-hard, pseudo-intellectual crap... BryceBorlick - E X A C T L Y
  • + 4
 Edited my post, cuz it sounded overly negative and I really liked how you ended the article, I just didn't get the edit up in time.

Of course anyone CAN criticize anything. I'm just saying that as a large portion of people on this site are using technological assistance to their mtb on a massive scale, a little self awareness would help when it comes to the discussions about Di2 or e-bikes or whatever. People on here talk shit on "doctor/lawyer bikes" and all that while riding on chairlifts.... *your* technology is fine, but *theirs* isn't. I'm not saying I have a problem with people riding lifts, or that earning our turns on rigid singlespeeds is the 'true mtb', I'm saying nobody really has that much room to criticize. As you said, mtb is at its core a luxury, so hating on someone else for being more luxurious than you is like calling out someone for getting a banana split while you're eating an ice cream cone. It's ALL luxury, it's ALL extra. Nobody is really doing this to serve a higher calling, they're doing it because this is how they enjoy their free time. More importantly, the other person's banana split doesn't have to affect your enjoyment of your ice cream cone.

Talk shit, don't talk shit, that's the individual's choice too. But the guy running Di2 is probably enjoying it, and the guy telling his friends how Di2 is destroying the soul of mtb is probably full of shit in his own special way. Only reason to be upset with someone else's choice of gear is if you're (a) in a race and it offers an unfair advantage, or (b) if your sense of self worth depends on deciding just how much luxury everyone else should enjoy. Everyone knows a guy like that, and most people don't want to ride with him.
  • + 5
 I know what i'm gonna say is controversial but I think it's more "ethical, legal or whatever" going up by e-powered bike than by car.
And moreover, the moment you use a non human powered energy the original sport become a diffrent sport. As if a climber reached the summit by helicopter. Is that mountaineering? of course not. Is that sport? yes, but a different one.
  • + 1
 @guataisi well put. I agree with that, especially as a skier/climber.
  • + 1
 What do weak people in mountains have to do with race??
  • + 9
 I like the idea of pedal assisted sussers like the cube stereo hybrid. I also don't really care wether it's real biking or not. What I do know is that with my 65 year old dad on one we might be able to ride some light trail again. That would be nice.
  • + 5
 People with disabilities such as deteriorating muscle diseases... that would kill to ride aren't as fortunate as you brawww
  • + 1
 Well....thats really a point
  • + 1
 The 65yr old dad thing
  • + 2
 It may be my pathological lack of faith in humanity, tendency to prejudgment, but you must admit that people with disabilities, old dads, are a relatively small, I'd say microscopic target group, buying force to motivate a large company like Scott or Cube to enter the market which is already saturated with e-bikes... so if only world would be so perfect... I mean how do you sell an e-bike in the shop? - hi what's that? That sir is a mountain bike with electric engine, only for people with disabilities! You look healthy, you cannot buy one... There's plenty of toxic waste generated, money wasted for yet another thing standing in a garage, used once per month at best, after the honeymoon is over. Oh I forgot - a couple of FB likes and square instagram pictures generated. My writing here is to make at least one person not buy one. As to your dad - that is honestly awesome that you would convince him to ride one.
  • + 0
 also, if its got an electric motor, its motorized and it shouldn't be on any trail where motorized vehicles are prohibited.
  • + 1
 I just kind of like the idea of them.
Dirt magazine had an article on the cube and it really grabbed me.
There is a bit of an internal war raging though. On the one hand I'm thinking this is pretty cool, I'm not getting any younger and one of these babies can see me up hills quicker, I could maybe go further, I could convince my dad to come and ride. I can session those really good descents I only get to do once a ride.
Then on the other hand I think, it's cheating, it's not real mountain biking, it's just being lazy and I will pay for that.
All of these things are equally true depending on your outlook.
But with the attitude of "this is wrong you can't do this, I don't want you on my trails" we are no better than the walkers (in the uk) who didn't want us on the trails.
Also didn't I hear a few years back mtb was banned on the trails in Slovakia?
Guess I'm saying we've all been on the receiving end of negativity in our sport, you would think we would all be a bit more open minded
Loved the article, made me chuckle a lot, very subtle in places.
  • + 1
 haha ...... waki finally shows his real face Big Grin

pretty much my opinion
the market does not really care for 65yo dad.... but e-bikes are at least in such situations..... acceptable
  • + 2
 I think we can all agree they are never going to take over the world. I just find the level of resistance to them surprising.
  • + 2
 We all have our own insecurities Smile
  • + 3
 What's the difference between a Dirt bike and a Mountain bike? an engine, nufff said....
  • + 1
 On a different note. Anyone remember biopace? I heard shimano were planning on re introducing an "enduro" specific version. That should nicely raise passions Smile
  • + 1
 that is a completely different story..... i would buy that
  • + 1
 How about this , just ride what ever you enjoy and don't judge others ?
  • + 1
 If I want to judge, I'll judge, don't you judge my judging you judgy hipocrit
  • + 1
 @juslucky Were you talking to me? I shoulda said my question was aimed at red onion

@randybadger. Yeah I think adjustable elliptical chainrings are available now.
  • + 1
 They were horrible 20 years ago and many blamed their uneven motion for knee injuries.
  • + 1
 Yeah, terrible idea, but now they've added adjustability and they're trying it on again lol. Maybe they just wait a few year's till the people who remember are thin on the ground.
-Archive developments department-
"Pull that chainring design out of the 1990 file will you Derek, I reckon there's life in that one again!"
  • + 8
 Does anyone else remember the Christini two wheel drive mountain bikes from years ago? While I understand this is satire, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see some of the electric bike companies experiment with it again!
  • + 1
 Bionicon did a 2 wheel drive about 20 years ago too. It got roundly laugh at at the trade shows
  • + 1
 Two hub motors would be really easy to do. If the controllers were worth anything they could also transfer power to the front wheel if your back slips out on a climb. You wouldn't have the complications that you would with a mechanical drive for both wheels. Yes weight would be high but it's an e bike. Plus the two motors would be smaller than one big one out back.
  • + 1
 www.youtube.com/watch?v=nroVxpmUMQg
You beat me to it. Why have a 2nd motor when you can just have AWD. Saw this 500W kit from 2009 and wondered why it didn't catch on. The frame has 5 or 6 inches of travel and is made by Christini. The fork is also proprietary I think. This is the problem with all new technologies coming from racing. A few christini motor bikes have done ok in enduro cross but there is no electric bike racing series at least not offroad. AWD is too heavy though not as bad as you might think and the frame and fork tech too far behind to catch on. 2 hubs has been done too.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xEqsQDR1fM
I wish some one would put ALL these crazy technologies into one bike.
AWD, Airless tyres, Electric suspension, Electric shifting gearbox, midmount e motor, Issotrusse frame, Those crazy Rotor cranks that they stopped making. If all the eccentric Billionaires were interested in bikes instead of Planes, boats and cars.
  • + 2
 A guy at my shop apparently owns a Christini. I couldn't believe it, I knew they existed but figured nobody had ever bought one. Never had the chance to talk to him about it, but the other guys in the shop say that dude is such a beast he dusts them all when he's riding it, despite the massive extra weight and inefficiency.
  • + 4
 What is the point of a mountain bike that you can't ride on mountain bike trails? I wish this question would be addressed when writing one of these articles on ebikes. Most mtb trails do not allow the use of motorized vehicles, which means ebikes can only be ridden on ORV trails where they will get run off the trail by dirt bikes and ATV's. So what is the point of a mountain bike equipped with a motor?

Why is this question not being asked? Seems like a pretty big issue for ebikes.
  • + 1
 you are right. nearly every trail i ride on is non-motorized. also i think slightly too technical for the kind of weakling that would try these. the people i am talking about would crash a mountain bike or a dirt bike, so i have no reason to believe they wouldn't crash their e-bike as well. the idea of more service and maintenance while getting less of a workout each time doesn't appeal to me
  • + 1
 I reckon people will try to get away with it as they are quiet and look like bikes. Which begs the question, will it develop into a snitch culture with real bikers shopping local vigilante e-punks to the Feds!?
  • + 2
 The problem with many motor sports is that a large part of the competition is between machines. Right now, mountain biking is largely rider oriented. Every steroid shot, every motor, and every short cut is just another cut corner that pulls away from rider achievement. Cycling is attractive to me as a challenge. In every discipline I ride there are milestones and achievements. This sort of assistance cheapens them. On the other hand, not all riders are interested in achievement. Some are just going to the shop or to work. To these riders I say ... NOTHING! They're boring! I want nothing to do with them or their 'bicycles'.
  • + 2
 I am going to buy a KTM ebike to ride on local trails. If for no other reason than to enrage all these self righteous anti eBike idiots. It will be very hard to detect, follow or find me as I travel in silence over rough terrain VERY quickly. So suck it. It won't replace my stable of MTB's but it will be most of all FUN. I am finding these Ebike articles very amusing here and on BR.
  • + 2
 If this idea was done properly in such a way that you didn't have a load of hideous looking electronics hanging off your bike then maybe, just MAYBE, it might gain some popularity. If I had a the motor from a 24v cordless drill hidden DISCRETELY in my seat tube that I could plug in and charge up without compromising the performance or appearance of my ride then I wouldn't mind. The help on the push-ups would mean I'd get another couple of runs in. Give me a break.... I'm getting old and my knees are f*cked!
  • + 3
 I don't like this idea either. I'd like to be able to see who is cheating and who is keeping it real...!
  • + 1
 there is a company that made a system like that. cant remember the name of it off the top of my head but cancellara was accused by a rival team of using it to win the paris roubaix one year
  • + 2
 Yeah that's what made me think of it.... I like the idea of cheating! Not in a race but on a normal sunday. Imagine the look on all the 29ers faces as you blitz past them on the way up on a 8'' travel DH beast. It would be priceless.
  • + 5
 It sure is a true DOUCHE & Gabbana
  • + 1
 hahahaha
  • + 3
 It doesn't seem to work, waki. People still to serious. Satire is too soft an approach. Don't use a handmade samurai sword. Use a chainsaw! Hehe
  • + 3
 Hehe, but chainsaw is not sexual enough.
  • + 1
 Not necessarily. Not if you use one that has an electric motor...I have much faith in your Kung fu skills to drive this subject harshly like putting babies on spikes....ok, maybe not babies..
  • + 1
 Satire and comedy aside. This page I stumbled on looking for a 2 wheel drive Bionicon from back in the day makes sensible reading.
  • + 1
 He says while forgetting to paste.
cloud2evo.com/home/374-bionicon-e-ram
  • + 1
 bla bla bla ride motorbike if you don't like cycling bla bla bla bla. Bicycles are ridden with pedals and people are healthier this way.. so it must be better for nature too bal bla bla bklab bla argument 2 bal bal bla bla argument 54 bl bla
  • + 1
 Lets face the future. One guy out of our riding buddies will purchace one of these bikes or kits. He will then send our pride crashing to the ground on every climb and open flat(maybe) and talk smack for the first 2 hrs. Then he will want to cut the whole ride short if his led indicator tells him to. And if he is too busy busting our chops to notice then we all get to slow up our ride to wait for them to pedal that extra weight back to the parking lot and he will
NEVER BE CALLED OUT FOR A RIDE AGAIN
  • + 1
 Ruthless
  • + 3
 Ok, so now we should have a good laugh, thanks to eMTBs. Cause eventually, there won't be to much to laugh about, thanks to eMTBs.
  • + 3
 A fat MTB'ers dream maybe?!

For the average able bodied person out there, this idea is pointless!

Heaven forbid, but if I ever lost the use of my legs....
  • + 4
 Then focus on using your third leg...
  • + 1
 god for bid satire...
  • + 1
 Unfortunately Waki I'm all about the Balls!
  • + 1
 Meh, add a motor, don't add a motor. Who cares? Same size tyres won't wreck the trails any more than a normal bike being used incorrectly and you aren't flogging peoples children for more battery juice so what's the big deal?

I think it's an american thing with trail possessiveness and elitism. Never seen UK people going so nutty about ebikes on trails.
  • + 1
 If i am going to bother with a bike that has a motor, then I would want a ton of Travel. I really just want my KTM with an electric motor , that would be cool. I hope these bikes never show up on my local mtb trails, we have enough challenges with access
  • + 2
 It is arguably the most influential and informative feature ever posted on PB, the future of mtb is definitely electric......



(now that is satire ;-))
  • + 0
 Theyres a reason why most shouldn't and cant climb mount Everest!

And even more reason why we all cant just fly to to top get a ghey selfie no matter how deep your pockets!

Riding on trails, respect for each other and between other users trampers/walkers dam horse riders and land access is hard enough ready.

We all love technology but also purity of mtb, its why we rode as kids we didnt care then about easy and its why we got into mtb as older kids. Those that didnt will never get it they arent mtb riders theyre just on the easy rode if cool.

We had a long weekend just gone by was awesome to see so many bikers out!
Unfortunately this brings problems people ignore, main commercial mtb carpark bikes cars kids dogs stupid parents over crowded stinking toliets thats befote getting into the forest which is not a bike park, yet accident carnage potential was incredible.
Forestry road leading to traiks, walkers, prams, riders, kids, parents, grandad s on bike first time since Korea all on wrong side of road completely blovked side to side and no yeilding or even basic awareness let alone manners and courtesy 4 times we were forced off the forestry roads to avoid collision and then abused WTF one parent with brats apologised but continued on blocking the road for others behind us.

And we want electric bikes in the mix!

It never fails to amuse me nans stupidity in name if commerce, technology, worst of all using someone's disability to justify theyre point of business.

The age if innocence freedom of mtb is coming to an end my local trails I rarely ride in weekends anymore too many dam muppets around!
  • + 0
 I'm disabled. I'm a mountain bike. Doc said I couldn't do it again. I'll race y'all down my local mountain and still beat your non disabled butt s. LOL! Electric assist bikes for the severely disabled sure. But where a mountain bike belongs. Power of batteries should not follow. Unless it's a flash light.
  • + 1
 You should have drawn the power supply to the front, run thru the steerer. Would have made for a cleaner install, as well as, there would be a less chance of it getting ripped of.
  • + 5
 you can onions with it
  • + 1
 You've never onioned?
  • + 2
 I once grilled an onion and ate it on a piece of toast
  • + 1
 @HoboG fascinating, tell me more about onioning
  • + 2
 In a medievil precursor to downhill mountain biking, peasents would race down the hill by diving head first onto a bed of onions thrown from baskets by the servants of the local lord. The first brave soul to make it to the bottom would be crowned "Onion King", and would wear the onion helm until next years race
  • + 1
 England is so crazy
  • + 1
 Believe.
  • + 1
 these opinions and humor, where u have to spend a whole freakin hour reading to understand anything.... it´s just getting to complicated. GO RIDE!!! f*ck EVERYTHING ELSE!
  • + 1
 I would not be surprised to see something like this on the way in Germany The Germans are very creative in general. Sometimes you see weird thing tough.
  • + 2
 The only 2 wheel-drive bike I could get behind: images2.alphacoders.com/169/16922.jpg
  • + 2
 Similar ideas for off-road morotbikes Yamaha had years ago
www.motorbikestoday.com/news/Articles/yam_2trac.htm
  • + 3
 you do realize it's a joke?
  • + 1
 Don't worry, i laughed...
  • + 1
 You never know what they will come across, then create 'demand' and force you to buy as there is no other option as with the 650B. I'm just pointing that there somebody already had similar idea, other thought it's joke, but shit happens...
  • + 0
 Right, yeah, it's a joke now, but so were 29er wheels a few years ago...
  • + 2
 29ers are still a joke.
  • + 2
 FACT: Ebikes seem about as popular as dog shit flavoured ice cream right now.
  • + 2
 Did you hear about the ice cream man they found dead in the back of his van covered in strawberry sauce and Hundreds and Thousands?
Apparently he topped himself.
  • + 2
 I like that it's satire mixed with a large peppering of food for thought.
  • + 2
 Don't give them ideas, they already took your electric component designs!
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 I like how mountain bikers think that we invented this trail riding shit and that we now own it outright and exclusively. Sure, if its a purpose built trail by and for mountain bikes then so be it. Honestly though.. if I look around at the trails in my neck of the woods and learn about their history I find many of their origins in INDIGINOUS culture from a milenia ago.. even these were originally probably forged by ANIMALS. Another rather large portion were probably forged in more recent times (the last couple of centuries) by MOTORCYCLISTS, HORSEBACK RIDERS or even, wait for it.. HIKERS.
Don't for once think that we were the first group of nomads to traverse a trail in the forest and we sure as hell won't be the last.. when it comes to our attitude towards our relationship to the trails and towards other potential groups who may wish to share them it may be advantageous to try and take a wider view. And if you still want to fight for something how about starting with the democratization of energy away from fossil fuels into an electric future powered by a smart grid.. oh sorry there's that dirty word.. electric! And to Waki.. I love you but why are you so scared of technology? For the sake of our species future on this planet please put your formidable intellect and creative mind to better use than this.
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 Hehe, I always appreicate your opinion, in fact my opinion in that area has been vastly moderated by a chat we had once. As to your last sentence. Well we also need a bit of a brake in some areas to survive don't you think? Areas like... unnecessary luxurious sports? Honestly I do not care about the future of our species... I do not give a slightest sht. Hey, you are going to die, so will your kids. Does it matter how? Car crash, bath tub, virus, poisonous air, contaminated food, lack of fresh water? Dust to dust. What is important is now, this moment. Waste of time on internet! Vanity fair, please please accept me by wise choice of words, look how intellectual I am.
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 Sorry man.. I was on a bit of a mission to save the world last night.. sounds a bit harsh reading it back. I am aware of my own insignificance on a cosmic scale.. The beauty of looking at the bigger picture is as you say perspective on our own mortality but also a sense of awe at the achievements of our own DNA thru the guise of humanity.. maybe you or I or even our children won't make it out a here alive but that's not to say that our dna won't live beyond the planet?
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 No worries, My skin is as thick as large my mouth is, and I always appreciate a sincere good conversation. Thank you for disagreeing with me. As to DNA leaving the planet, I really do not think that is any meanigful. Intergalactic scale procreation... you know, even if environment was no object, I think it is plain dumb to have burgers and bacon as the main source of your nutrition, drive V12 trucks in the city, have 400sqare meter houses litter them with plastic stuff one never needed, pick up any wants, desires and follow their call instantly. But at the same time, vast majority of all this environmentalist, sociological is nothing more than fear of failing to procreate. This miserable, pathetic guilt in the gut, that you are breathing, that we use more than we need to survive, all that sustained by filth of pumping up the ego by pointing a finger at someone as "the bad guy" - you flew an airplane instead of taking a train and you eat meat! Haven't you heard of the death of the oceans? That hidden arrogance, "I hope that with my actions I am giving a birth of at least one more generation".

We should live good lives, even if we knew the world is gone tomorrow. I think if we knew the wrold is going under tomorrow, people would call their close ones to say I love you, do anything to go see them, rather then fly to Vegas... That's the paradox. And as to electric engines... my whole point is: do not fall for that desire generation sht. You yourself use one for "necessity", you almost made one yourself, would you ride a Scott Spark with one? The uncomfort of freedom - realizing that we eat sht, trying to tell others the same but they don't want to listen. Choose a pill.
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 People are so blinded by hatred they forget to read the disclaimer haha
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 I had enough of this Waki-leaks whatever shit it is..
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 Get more dh runs in and your enjoying yourself why the f##k not
Wouldn't buy one personally but would like to try one for the crack
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 you are ALL a bunch of TROLLS. lol
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 It is better to be a best troll than an average footballer Big Grin
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 oh waki you so silly Smile
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 doesnt look much efficient.. small motor, unnecessary gears, new hubs..
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 That's not a bycicle....I wonder why it's on this website?
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 No, stop it!
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 second........motor!
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 Motörhead!
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 Awesome
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 Nice scootter man!!

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