The Paralititan: A 300mm Huck Bike Concept

Aug 19, 2022 at 13:55
by Yoki  



AN INTRODUCTION


Where were you when you fell in love with MTB for the first time? What were you doing? What did you see?

At a time before the internet was flooded with ‘Sick Edits’ and freebooting compilations, when YouTube wasn’t really a thing yet, my only exposure to ‘professional’ level riding came from watching locals who were exceptionally good and exchanging VHS tapes and DVDs with friends. I have been into bikes as long as I can remember - and when I say that I mean I have absolutely no memory of ever learning to ride a bike, but my truly falling in love moment came the day I got my hands on a copy of one of the NWD (New World Disorder) Movies.

Being a young kid, who had never seen anyone ride like that before, I was truly blown away. I still remember the deep awe I felt as I stood, much too excited to be able to sit in front of the family TV, eagerly watching, learning about what is possible on a bicycle, and I never got bored of it. I watched that DVD over and over until it would no longer play. I just felt cool watching it, so cool in fact, whenever my parents had guests over I would make it play in the background as I wanted everyone to experience this grand spectacle I have discovered. What I saw was an inspiring display of the world’s best hitting huge gaps, sending big drops, doing all sorts of awesome tricks and in general just cycling their bikes in a way no sane person would ever in their right mind choose to attempt, so naturally, I wanted to be just like those people.

As I get older, what I notice in myself and the people around me is that the things we like rarely change. The things we enjoy in life stay the same but take on an evolved form. This is the essence of the Paralititan project; something I have always liked in an evolved form.

WHO AND WHAT IS YOKI?

Yoki is the name I have given to my journey of exploration of art in engineering as it applies to things I take an interest in on both a theoretical and practical level. I chose this name because my real name is too Polish and complicated and very few people outside my home country would know how to read let alone pronounce it.





INITIAL MUSINGS


I see myself an avid admirer of old school huck bikes, but I understand that the limitations of period parts frequently leave them looking out of proportion. Being short and tall as they are, the riders are typically left looking like they are competing in a giraffe rodeo.

Josh Bender and his 12 Karpiel Apocalypse
Case in point: Josh Bender and his 12" Karpiel Apocalypse. No man has matched his style, no other man can pull off this fashion sense.

The mission of this 2D design was to explore what it would take to create a long travel bike with harmonious proportions from carbon and with a gearbox. This included research into components and dimensions that could theoretically be possible with modern tech, which is why another parameter of this project was to work with parts that are available at this present moment.

And so, this project started with the question of 'what if?'. Dirt bikes have 12 inches of travel and look well proportioned, so what if I take a dirt bike and make it into a bicycle? A very quick photoshop, which I lovingly christened the Crappiel, was all that was required to convince me this was an idea worth pursuing.


Initial Musings The Crappiel
Initial Musings

Paralatitan Frame - Bare Bones
The progression from initial idea to final frame

After the early 2000s, burly bikes and parts became a thing of the past, but with modern parts it’s possible to make it look much more like a normal bike. I wanted the finished product to be an object of beauty, while still looking intimidating enough to scare away small children. Continuing the moto inspiration, I designed the frame around the same linkage system found in dirt bikes.

bigquotes"I wanted the finished product to be an object of beauty, while still looking intimidating enough to scare away small children."



COMPRESSION SEQUENCE


We all love compression shots and this project would be incomplete without it. This took a lot of work to complete being a 2D project, however 150 odd layers and 20GB of RAM later I have successfully achieved a comprehensive squish animation.

Squish!


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A FULL BUILD

PART SELECTION:

THE FORK:

While many compatible parts such as bars, stem, wheels (Including juicy, fat 3" tires) were easy to source as they are standard parts, things like suspension were a little trickier so I had to look outside of the normal scope to find what would fit.
The suspension had to meet the criteria I set for it; Big & Beefy, Capable & Air-sprung, and above all, Available - so that if at any point I decided to sink my life savings into creating this bike, I could. Theoretically.

The Paralititan has a very slack 62-degrees head angle for the purpose of keeping it as low as possible, therefore finding a fork which would deal with extra flex was important.

One of, if not the last 12 inch suspension bicycle fork still in production is Risse Racing's Big Foot fork (the one Bender used in his famous Jaw Drop video). While considered, with coil spring and 36mm stanchions, I decided to turn to our brothers in the motorsport department in order to explore other viable options.

The WP XPLOR PRO 7448 is air sprung, features 40mm stanchions, a 12inch stroke and is designed to take big hits. While it weighs approx 7.5kg (For reference the Super Monster weighed ~5.8kg) it is still one of the lightest in the moto world, so I deemed it appropriate for what this project is trying to accomplish.

The biggest hurdle in transpeciation grafting said forks is the incompatibility in the steer tube. This, however, was not a cause for worry, as the best thing about theoretical works like this is the unlimited imaginary budget I have given myself leaving me able to simply say you’d probably have to get some custom crowns machined. Problem solved.


Josh Bender s Karpiel Apocalypse and a Risse Big Foot 12 Fork
Shock Comparison
Effigear Mimic Gearbox

(Far Left) Risse Big Foot 12", (Left) WP XPLOR PRO 7448, (Right) To-Scale, Side-by-side Shock Comparison, (Far Right) Effigear Mimic Gearbox

THE SHOCK

The Shock: I equally did not think it wise to impose 300mm of wheel travel on a shock with 75mm stroke as this would be akin to designing a downhill bike around a tiny XC Shock. Once again, looking at what the motorised riders are running, this time in the world of ATV and snomobiles, I settled on Fox's Float 3 Evol R ATV front Shock. While not rich in adjustment, the huge stroke and air volume render it more than capable for this application, the overall large size also helps with the overall proportion of what is a big ‘big bike’.

GEARING

Low BBs are not possible on 12-inch travel bikes, but with bigger wheels and modern gearboxes, they can be lower in relation to the axles. The development of gearboxes and axle-mounted chainrings has made 40T chainrings no longer necessary, increasing clearance under the bottom bracket - in this case having opted for 26T - in comparison to 40T of old provides over an inch of extra clearance, which was spent on lowering the BB height. A high pivot redirects the travel back and up meaning the saddle is further forward in relation to the wheel upon compression, allowing you to run it lower, giving significantly more room for movement between the legs and contributing to an all-round more ‘rideable’ feel. In this case I opted for the effigear Mimic, due to offering just the right number of gears while having the ability to be run with a standard, non twist-grip shifter.

Big thanks to Effigear for sharing with me the info and resources I needed to complete this project.

Paralatitan Frame
Frame With Gearbox & Shock


The Paralititan - Full Bike

Paralititan Geo Chart
The Paralititan vs SC V10 Scale Comparison
I see the odd bike release article with a Geo chart which I as a European struggle with as I don't always feel up to the task of converting every dimension I see to metric. This is why I wanted to make this one as inclusive as possible.
A size comparison of the full titan against a SantaCruz V10 to help you picture it in your mind.


THE E-BIKE VERSION

BY POPULAR DEMAND

Having run this design by a number of my friends, a frequent response I got was "You should make an e-bike version."

So here it is:

Paralititan E-Bike Version
"Images you can feel the weight of"

FINAL THOUGHTS


My hope with this undertaking is to show how modern advancements in bike tech have the potential to solve many issues which have plagued the huck bikes of old. And while modern 8-inch bikes are extremely capable, how much more would a bike like the Paralititan be? Maybe this will inspire a builder out there to try a project like this, and maybe, just maybe this will help usher in a New World Disorder.


253 Comments

  • 177 0
 I've been waiting for somebody to standardize MABEW in 3125ths.
  • 55 0
 projected weight of 95 1/2 BigMacs, 'merica!
  • 49 1
 Angles in °F is a nice touch!
  • 12 0
 Down to the 100,000th. Beer
SRAM's .99mm was just the launch point
  • 10 0
 Thank you for the Freedom Units.
  • 12 0
 @thartwig: Also known as Degrees of Freedom.
  • 152 1
 Those local green trails better tremble. I'm coming!
  • 84 0
 Now I can finally safely do a 300mm drop!
  • 18 0
 mtbr guys are already asking if they can long stroke it... y'know, for more bottomlessness
  • 2 1
 @blackjack88: lol, my thoughts exactly.
  • 111 6
 is Yoki, waki rebranded?
  • 34 2
 Perhaps a sober waki?
  • 16 9
 Trickster god Loki, with egg on their face?
  • 1 16
flag fabwizard (Aug 22, 2022 at 14:34) (Below Threshold)
 Says he is Polish, I dont think Waki was Polish.
  • 21 1
 @fabwizard: pretty sure Waki is Polish.
  • 23 2
 yes, not trying to cast dispersions but this looks a whole lot like Waki's work:
Waki loved gearboxes, Waki was polish, Waki loved antidote/unno frames, Waki had the graphic design experience to create something like this....
  • 6 2
 God Bless Yoki, this article it's a piece if art in all senses.
  • 38 1
 Waki is only available with outside+ subscription.
  • 6 14
flag me2menow (Aug 22, 2022 at 17:33) (Below Threshold)
 This guy is miles more funny, intelligent, skilled, and artistic than waki
  • 8 3
 @adrennan: if sub allow to have Waki in the comments I might finally decide to splash the cash lol
  • 29 0
 I hope my 13-year-old account adequately proves that I am not, in fact, Waki.
  • 46 1
 @yoki-bike: In these times of conspiracy theories I'm afraid your denials and well presented evidence only further prove that you are, in fact, not only Waki but also Elvis.
  • 18 1
 @yoki-bike: so you're playing the long con. Brilliant.
  • 3 1
 @hamncheez: well done
  • 1 1
 @Woody25: and an alien of course
  • 1 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: waki is in fact polish. i follow him on instagram.
  • 90 8
 All that...and put's Enve's on it. LOL
  • 22 9
 And Carbon cranks. I love the concept for going big, but I won't even run carbon cranks on my 200mm bike.
  • 3 10
flag PauRexs (Aug 22, 2022 at 15:58) (Below Threshold)
 It's well known in F1 that the proper absorbtion is trough deformation... So 300mm plus couple Enves ans then maybe some mini skies under the bottom of the bars and rear axle and the next Bender might stay on the bike while bike-skiing into that gravel clif landing... 2 in 1 thx to enve decomposites...
  • 27 0
 I felt a bit silly doing a Full Enve build but it was important to keep it under 100 Big Macs.
  • 77 0
 I found all of Canyon's missing vowels.
  • 53 1
 as someone with probably a bit more experience on 12 inch travel bikes than the average rider, I think you might want to steepen up the head angle a bit. Maybe the motocross forks will handle the slack better than a super monster, but I've found that anything under 63 degrees really locks the fork to any small bumps, and at about 61 degrees it will just about outright only react to square edge hits. The best setup I've ridden is the 2005 norco Aline which when overstroked with a 10.5 shock, puts the headangle at about 65/65.5 degrees, which feels pretty perfect for low speed hucking style riding. incredible designs though, I hope to see this riding off big rocks someday!
  • 11 17
flag Lasse2000 (Aug 22, 2022 at 12:42) (Below Threshold)
 You may be right for normal DH and trail stuff. But this is for benderstyle riding off cliffs into extremly steep landings. The slack HA should suit this correctly, no?
  • 41 2
 @Lasse2000: I think it's the opposite, a slacker head angle is probably better for going fast into trail obstacles as the suspension can absorb the impacts better than a steeper head angle where the fork would be forced to flex backwards more.
But if the only thing this bike is good for is absorbing the impact of being dropped from a great height, you'd want a 90 degree head angle Smile
  • 18 2
 Time for another linkage fork!!!
  • 14 0
 So a YZ205F (2020) appears to have a 63.5 HTA (they call it something else in moto so its hard to look up) and has a 12.5 inch fork on it. The bike seems to get along fine with small bump compliance, with no fork binding despite a wet weight of 230 pounds.

This is also a selling point of inverted forks; they tend to not bind at all from lateral or torsional loads.
  • 5 5
 my spire is 62.5*HA and that statement is incorrect
  • 12 0
 I agree with your thoughts on this but look at how well the first version of the grim doughnut did with Yoann. Totally beat all expectations (including Yoann's previous best on his training trail).
  • 6 2
 I dont understand why DH bikes dont run 300 mm forks or bigger and run more sag % say 50%. Would you not get the wheel to track the ground better?
  • 16 0
 @fabwizard: there's a balance between absorbing the trail and dampening rider inputs. Also, weight.
  • 6 0
 @Bro-LanDog: Grim Donought V3 test 400 mm fork (-:
  • 6 0
 @fabwizard: there have actually been a lot invested into this concept, and after a lot of testing 200mm seemed the best compromise.
  • 3 7
flag fabwizard (Aug 22, 2022 at 15:41) (Below Threshold)
 @artistformlyknowasdan: Actually, I would say that in comparison to off road motorsport, very little has been invested. And due to the small overall level of funding we generally just see minor adjustments year over year. Rather than major changes.
  • 6 1
 @fabwizard: 300 mm travel will raise the center of mass up too high and will not be stable or good at cornering. If you ran enough sag to drop the ride (BB) height down to match a similar ride height of a 200 mm travel bike, then the spring rate will be really low and the bottom out resistance will be less than half of what you would have with the 200 mm travel bike at 20% sag. It would have to be very very progressive to work. It would also be very hard to bunny hop. I recall hearing an interview with Gee Atherton that they had done testing with really high sags like 50% years ago, but have since settled on the more common setups.

Note that multiple race bikes over the last 20 years did try out more travel and have come back down to around 200 mm. The Santa Cruz V10 used to have 254 mm travel back in 2008 back, but have since come back down to 215 mm. Intense and Kona had similar stories.

But that is for race bikes, not freeride cliff hucking bikes.
  • 3 0
 @fabwizard: Steeve from Vorsprung did address which we don't use 300mm forks in one of his videos, probably the one taking about how much travel is too much travel. I don't remember exactly but I think it had to do with the lack of unsprung weight compared to 100kg MX machines. Have a look at it.
  • 5 0
 "small bumps". There's the misunderstanding right there
  • 2 0
 @hamncheez: "Rake angle" and them they count from the other side also.
  • 4 0
 Fundementally, trophy trucks and dirt bikes run so much sag because they are powered. Rear traction is of uttermost importance when you literally have to have electronic throttling of power (traction control).
  • 1 4
 @Balgaroth: OK So test 100KG DH bike?????

Maybe there is a track where this would work better than a light bike? Teams are experimenting with adding weight already????
  • 47 3
 Looks like a unno
  • 6 2
 Looks good then?
  • 11 0
 @danielfloyd unno... It kinda does
  • 15 0
 Unno and Antidote were the two companies I studied very closely to take inspiration from for this. I'm glad it shows.
  • 40 0
 Finally a bike for those who want to be able to "smash harder into everything" aka case the shit out of everything and get away with it
  • 22 0
 hey thats me
  • 21 0
 I feel personally targeted by this comment
  • 37 0
 Dust off your Roach pads and say it with me..."kurwa!"
  • 2 0
 Roach Pads check. Kurwa...?
  • 1 0
 @50percentsure: Not a Friday Fails guy?
  • 28 3
 There are a few design details left out. At those kind of impact thresholds you’re going to want to armor the battery. High speeds will pretty much demand fenders. The dual role of regulating speed and absorbing impacts played by the pedals can be mitigated by moving to a fixed pedal position that’s ambidextrous and natural. Finally, speed control can be relocated to a simple hand control. Weight will go up but you can probably cut costs in half. There you go, the future of the ebike!
  • 4 1
 Many details left out for sure - especially on the e-bike version. Time constraints are a beach.
  • 24 3
 Skip the gear box, no one is riding this uphill, it's a big ole plow that's meant for sending it straight off cliffs, all you need is one gear. That'll drop the weight and remove a ton of complexity.
  • 10 10
 No one is riding this period.
  • 43 1
 @sspiff: not the first time I've heard this said in the last couple of days.
  • 9 1
 @BenPea: Difference is, last time it was screamed at you.
  • 1 2
 @BenPea: r/suicidebywords
  • 2 1
 @BenPea: f*ck. I really walked right into that one
  • 20 1
 Enter "Boostmaster 'redid' it first" comments
  • 19 0
 if Antidote bikes opened up manufacturing in Texas
  • 17 0
 Scott should pony up some money for Dangerholm to build out 300mm Gambler.
  • 6 0
 And weighs less than 30 lbs?
  • 9 35
flag az-shredder3 (Aug 22, 2022 at 13:02) (Below Threshold)
 Dangerholm is a prissy little XC boy
  • 18 2
 @az-shredder3: dangerholm absolutely rips dh
  • 8 0
 @az-shredder3: Its takes a real man to unfalteringly put an open blade to a brand new carbon frame, or to clad those thighs in short-jorts.
  • 2 1
 @ROOTminus1: those shorts are great to creat the buzzz, no need ot be real man, you just need to be smart and understand what will help you to raise attention. Also I'd have no problem drilling and dremeling even a Unno frame if they give me those frames for free, no bravery when the risks you take don't impact you in any meaningful way.
  • 14 0
 Mighty fine 12 incher you got there sir!
  • 4 1
 You are suspended from this thread for 69 minutes.
  • 14 0
 If you build it, they will huck it.
  • 10 0
 As a full blooded American, the MBEW standard actually comprised of a base two system, in other words it works in halves. 989/3125's would be more commonly known as 20,741/65,536ths. Thank you for being inclusive!
  • 8 0
 Man I absolutely love stuff like this! Such a cool theoretical project! Risse Racing has some interesting stuff haha. Dual disc forks and hubs, fat bike dh forks. Love finding out about random brands like that.
  • 2 0
 I used to have a set of 6" Risse Champs BITD. They took 375 mm of 5wt oil in each leg! They sagged under their own weight. Seals were BMW R-series you could get at a motorcycle shop. Bearings were teflon bushing you could buy as a strip. Shim stack easily accessible. One leg had rebound, the other compression. No LSC. I even had the CNCed Risse tools - one was a huge fully CNCed spanner (that I loaned to a shop and never saw again). You learned a lot about suspension with those bad boys - problems galore but easily fixable. I spent more time working on them than riding them. Unless my memory deceives me, still the butteriest fork ever made.
  • 10 0
 Throwing money at the screen......
  • 9 1
 So when we crowdfunding this? If we swap out the enve wheels it can go down in price by at least half
  • 8 0
 OMG This is amazing and now I want one...
  • 8 0
 Fork and shock design sounds like a job for Intend BC.
  • 4 0
 Or Avalanche. They still make a burly 10” fork but it’s expensive
  • 2 0
 @emptybe-er: Oh, I forgot about the MTN 10! Still cheaper than a WP moto fork though!
  • 7 0
 Totally unnecessary for majority of the riders, but everyone would want to rock it.
  • 3 0
 That is exactly how I would market this bike.
  • 7 0
 Disappointed to see Maxxis on there, this calls for a Gazzaloddi resurrection.
  • 6 0
 Time to write a strongly worded letter to Nokian!
  • 8 1
 ….and so now it’s cool again. Pay attention kiddos.
  • 6 0
 Josh Bender was always cool.
  • 1 1
 Hucking has always been cool but it’s a far cry from wagonwheels and snack storage. Talk about bde
  • 6 0
 Definetly gives Antidote bikes vibes
  • 6 0
 needs an SDG BigBoy saddle
  • 2 0
 I was very close to making it with 2 saddles held together with duct tape.
  • 6 0
 I heart people with wayyy too much time on their hands!
  • 6 0
 I hate how much I like this....
  • 1 0
 I'm late because I hiked this....
  • 2 0
 When you see benders bike now it almost looks unrideable, crazy that he used to launch off cliffs on it And his mate chrispy. I had the original big hit with 24 wheels 3inch tyres was a great bike we used to go the local quarry and drop of sand overhangs. Always wanted some hainbrik forks thay looked so cool. some cunt robbed it, still miss it know...
  • 1 0
 From someone who is from that era, he was the most influential for pushing limits of freeride. His vids were exciting and changed everything.
  • 5 0
 Scrap manmade tracks were ready to take on the world.
  • 5 0
 Are my eyes stupid or is that shock shaft longer than the can?
  • 1 0
 I had the same feeling, maybe its because the shaft goes to the end of the inner body which is not only the kashima can but that black piece with piggy back as well. Had to find out another pics of the shock
  • 4 1
 That is an Awesome Job to modernize a 300mm bike kudos to you !!! now we need a new breadth Mad Young Craziness that can ride the bike at it's full potential !!! Beautiful !
  • 1 0
 Besides the need to package the linkage/shock back there, what is the goal of the really long chainstay? Seems like that would create some balance issues (not fine-tuning balance issues that we normally bicker about with 2mm here and there, but like not even in the ballpark of balance with the front center and the large mass on the front).
  • 5 0
 With 12" of travel, the BB needs to be 394mm (19/100ths MABW), which is actually really low for that. With such a high bb, you have to lengthen the wheelbase on both ends or it will look and ride like a giraffe rodeo. If you look at the wheelbase, the ratio of fore-aft is actually reasonable.
  • 1 1
 @hamncheez: I'd agree that it looks better having a normal fore-aft ratio, but isn't the point of this thing to huck off cliffs? I'd struggle keeping the front end from dropping on slower speed drops with chainstays that long and a front end that heavy. But then, my technique isn't good enough for me to ever consider emulating Bender, anyway.
  • 1 0
 @avgas: having never hucked off anything larger than 12 feet, I can't really speak on that part of it
  • 6 1
 DH bike concept .....
"Make it an ebike"
-literally no one
  • 5 2
 i would 100% buy a dh bike that i can pedal to the top. ie a full 200mm beast.(so maybe not dh bike shaped as thats quite a challenge to pedal lol, But spesh got close with a 180mm dual crown? not sure on rear travel though)
If it was available here and not crazy priced(im expecting expensive though,)
  • 3 0
 First thing that came to mind was Bender. Not disappointed to see Bender in the first photo. Karpiel was one of a kind back in the day
  • 5 0
 goddam, I've never been more impressed with a bike before
  • 4 1
 At this point I am convinced that PB is putting out these sexy decoy articles to distract us from the fact that we still don’t have last week’s Friday Fails!!!
  • 1 0
 I must be missing something here. How much clearance does the bb have at full compression? The radius of a 27.5+ tyre is 370mm? Less when tyres are compressed. I get the feeling the chainring would get to know the dirt pretty well.

Fun project though!
  • 3 0
 At full compression: Ground to BB Centre: 107.5mm. Not accounting for tire compression the chainring is 55.4mm from the dirt. At tire bottom out it will dig into the dirt. If and when the time to make this comes about, these are things I would undoubtedly address, however this project didn't go that deep as I focused mainly on making it look nice. Sorry!
  • 2 1
 @yoki-bike: no need to be sorry, just had to check my mental maths when I saw the compression sequence!

This is a really great project. I also wonder if there are other forks out there being built for the Sur Ron type of e dirt bikes that could suit.

A couple more tweaks and your huck-monster will be ready to roll... then drop.
  • 1 0
 That top top length doesn't seem to line up. Reach makes sense, since the BB and bars are like 100 mm forward compared to the V10, but the saddle is only like 20mm forward. That would seem to make the effective top tube more like almost 700mm, which is pretty insane.
  • 1 1
 Yes I don’t think this monstrous fantasy-photoshopped bike’s seated pedaling position was realistic either. smh
  • 1 0
 Looks sick, I definitely want to ride that!
I am a bit worried the front end might be too heavy with that fork, but maybe it gets balanced out with that suuuuper long chainstay length?
Also I have to say I don't believe you'd want it to be that slack though, I'm thinking 64 degrees is good on something like this. But I love to see different perspectives for making a 300mm huck bike, I am in the process of getting a custom frame designed, but trying to decide on what geometry I want is taking a bit of time for me to decide on. With a big fork up front and all that stack height, you can't just re-use the same geo as any other bike!
  • 5 1
 This looks pretty Waki to me, but I really like it!
  • 5 1
 have I overread the wheelsize?
  • 3 1
 no, the thought police wouldn't allow it.
  • 3 0
 It's 27.5+
  • 4 0
 So sick! I'll take the +500mm reach version to go!
  • 3 0
 Cant wait to see paul aston talk about this for 3 months after he breaks it
  • 2 0
 Studying maths in high school - my brain gave up when introduced to angles measured in radians. But it would be inclusive to have them I guess.
  • 4 0
 I'm rock solid right now..
  • 1 0
 Interesting seeing the comparison between to the V10, before I had read down to that part I had also thought of the comparison to the original V10, which had 10 inches of travel - hence the name.
  • 1 1
 Came here just to say, make it 200mm or even 180mm, no motor and I'm all in to get one! Not hating on the e-bike or huck machine, just thinking this is a proper nod to the Honda RN-01 and looks like it would be an amazingly fun DH bike.
  • 2 0
 Ale żeś wymodził ziomuś, jestem pod wrażeniem. Chce zobaczyć testy tego cuda jak się już z nim uporasz, ale wygląda zajebiście
  • 1 0
 Just eeeeb it
Just to make it heavier


And less practical
And more like a moto

Or get an enduro motorbike and take the engine out and slap some pedals on it
Easy ; )
Sendy
  • 3 0
 ...we're going to need a bigger shuttle... (play "JAWS" theme music)
  • 3 0
 I hope @mikelevy adopts MABEW for the field test
  • 2 0
 looks like an Unno Antidote hybrid on steroids, fascinating concept, looks sick! Big kudos!
  • 2 0
 Maybe just me, but found myself staring at the squish travel video for like 5minutes!
  • 1 0
 username checks out
  • 5 2
 It’s called a concept for a reason.
  • 2 0
 Looks like it would fit Greg Smile

Cable routing through the headset of course Frown
  • 3 0
 Aww I thought it was real at first
  • 3 0
 @suicidedownhiller next Wil White sponsor?
  • 3 0
 Will White is a legend. Would love to see him rocking this!
  • 3 0
 The official Meathead Summer bike
  • 3 0
 Holy Sheet a DH bike that might actually fit me!!! Take my money now!!!
  • 1 0
 Holy seat rub! No renderings w rear wheel at full travel, probably for the best. No worries, it will work fine in the metaverse.
  • 2 0
 It was actually on the list but at that point I was reaching 200hours on this and I have a house to move! I worked out that the saddle would need to be only a little bit higher and definitely more forward.
  • 1 0
 Ring ring ,
Hello Fox Factory
Yes I’d like to order 50 gazillion volume spacers please

Also ,do ya have any flip chips in stock
I gonna need like uhhh ,idk, 20 or so
  • 2 0
 And still room for a water bottle. Please can we get bottle mounts on this when it makes production?
  • 1 1
 "Including juicy, fat 3" tires"

How about a top down view? How wide are the "chainstays" with a 3" inch tire, two links, and a pivot, in between them? Heel-rub central back there!
  • 1 0
 Just for the record: The term Crappiel may have first been coined in the early 00's by Reno local legends John Wilson and Dustin Sweet.
  • 1 0
 reno 911?
  • 3 0
 Streetetz!!!!
  • 2 0
 No glover compartment and no water bottle mount.
  • 2 0
 Finally, a bike sized for Minnaar!
  • 3 0
 Does it climb well?
  • 7 0
 like a goat with the balls made of lead
  • 5 2
 100% waki
  • 3 0
 Haha, not Waki!
  • 2 0
 Yeah but how does it pedal?
  • 3 1
 So good, totally want the ebike version
  • 1 3
 This is awesome! I've dreamed up a bike like this sometimes. I'd make a few slight changes (if it was mine) like get some negative rise bars or even make the top fork crown with handlebar extensions for lower bar height. Then move the seat lower and more forward, to maximize leg travel and also you won't be sitting much.

Cool project Smile
  • 3 0
 huh, negative rise bars is an interesting one! I'm with you on moving the seat forward, it was in fact in the plans to do that but I was too spent!
  • 1 0
 Bender's rig is the tallest Small frame I've ever seen!
"Giraffe Rodeo" indeed
  • 1 1
 Really? Bender’s bike is the tallest bike you’ve seen? That just can’t be right
  • 1 0
 Can I see where that crank arm is upon full compression? Oh and I think I had that shock on my YFZ450 x2 :-D
  • 1 0
 It is an ATV front shock according to article but likely very similar.
  • 2 0
 @fabwizard: A YFZ450 is a quad. A YZ450F is a motocross bike. So he probably did have them on his YFZ.

Also, nukethequads!
  • 2 0
 Id like to ride off some buildings with this please.
  • 2 0
 My 2008 Gambler weighed almost this much. I’d ride this
  • 1 0
 Ummm... so is anyone going to tell him "48" in 7448 means those 48mm forks and not 40mm forks?
  • 1 0
 huh.
  • 2 0
 I still have my New World Disorder VHS tape I got in 2000.
  • 1 0
 Hey @yoki-bike is the idler wheel sprung so that it can take up chain slack as the suspension compresses?
  • 1 0
 In the brief, yes. This and a number of other features I didn't end up developing and going into detail on as then the project would have taken more time than I wanted to give it. I had a pretty neat little device idea for keeping tension built into the swingarm.
  • 1 0
 @yoki-bike: Nice! I've often wondered about the possibility of altering an existing alloy frame to accomodate a gearbox like Effi or Pinion and realise that part of the design would have to incorporate a chain tension device. I particularly like the solution of incorporating it in a moving hpp style idler so that you don't have to have a device slapping around behind the chainring like on a Zerode or at the hub so that you still kind of have a derailleur.
  • 2 3
 Let’s be honest. Nobody would ever ever ever huck themselves off of huge drops with ANYTHING carbon fiber. Ever. And if they do, they better get the best life insurance policy as possible.
  • 3 0
 Umm, been happening for years at Rampage.
  • 2 0
 yes they do, its called rampage!
  • 1 1
 Hide a bafang bbs HD 1000w on it somehow use carbon..fiberglass.. Plastic bags anything.. . Il see myself out.. I'm back just call sur- ron..
  • 2 0
 We need the return of the jaw drop.
  • 1 0
 Not gonna lie, I would consider that E bike version, looks way better than a SurRon.
  • 1 0
 Don't snowmobile my mountain bike! In all honestly, what a rad project, and a fun concept.
  • 1 0
 I want to see a video of someone who's mental jumping off something stupidly high!
  • 2 0
 Has someone notified @boostmaster yet?
  • 1 0
 my norco aline 2005 27.5 converted with 267mm shock took out 271mm real travel what about 300 damn i want it
  • 1 0
 Resurrect the 48h FUNN or Bombshell Crushers wheelset for this project.
  • 2 0
 And Seismic hubs!
  • 2 0
 @jukka4130: Oh wow I forgot about those lol.
  • 1 0
 Now imagine it would be 200mm rig, just wow, it looks great
  • 5 0
 Casually working on a 207mm bike that I do in fact plan to make. There will be some similarities but also many differences.
  • 2 0
 @yoki-bike: I'd rather buy the 300mm version.
  • 1 0
 retro comment... 'Where's the motor?'
  • 2 1
 umm, that, there is a cheater dh bike, not a freeride bike.
  • 1 0
 Awesome enginnering, the guy had a CR500 in his childhood
  • 1 0
 Throw the WP out and put some KYB SSS on it
  • 2 0
 Bender would be proud
  • 1 0
 That one looooong damper Wink
  • 2 0
 Grim Donut became old...
  • 1 0
 What do you call a huck e-bike? An Alta
  • 1 0
 Hell yeah put some forks on that suck ass on a motorcycle
  • 1 0
 This is the bike for a 'worst case scenario'. Love it.
  • 1 0
 We would allow superboost 157 for these machines.
  • 1 3
 "Dirt bikes have 12 inches of travel and look well proportioned"

They also have _much_ smaller wheels. This project certainly looks great, but that particular premise is a bit flawed...
  • 1 0
 Para..paralit paralitit an para - I give up
  • 1 0
 THIS IS WHAT DOWNHILL BIKES SHOULD LOOK LIKE!!!!
  • 1 0
 I LOVE IT, more travel please....
  • 1 0
 Drop In TV, early 2000's if anyone remembers?
  • 1 0
 Is that 12” hard or soft?
  • 1 0
 The WP XPLOR Moto forks actually have 48mm stanchions, not 40
  • 1 0
 finally a rearward biased bike, chainstays way longer than reach!
  • 1 0
 Looks awesome!
  • 1 1
 no dual shock, no 24" wheels. no Bender's seal of approval.
  • 1 0
 SkyHigh pivot
  • 1 1
 Here’s an e-bike people would get behind.
  • 3 4
 SRAM BRAKES??? the worst choice of brakes for hucking that monster of a bike.
  • 3 2
 code RSC or TRP/hayes a4s are the only brakes id run on a dh bike.

Shimano grab OK but lack the sheer grunt/modulation unless you squeeze super hard.
  • 3 0
 @HeatedRotor: You should try Magura...
  • 1 0
 @landscapeben: i have, multiple times, they are great while they work. I had warranty after warranty on the levers.

I have the new hope Brakes arrive not long ago that im due to test shortly, just putting together my 3 new nukeproofs ill be riding for the next 3 months
  • 1 0
 this thing would only really need guide r's honestly, i dont know why you're trippin
  • 1 0
 @HeatedRotor: Crikey you must be pretty hard on your brakes, my Magura's have been bomb proof!
  • 1 0
 @landscapeben: not hard on brakes i would think. considering if you google magura lever leaking theres alot of problems
  • 1 0
 Hope for the win!
  • 1 0
 @HeatedRotor: guess I got lucky though I heard the older models from a few years ago were full of problems particularly bleeding but since then the newer ones are awesome, so not sure when yours were?
  • 1 0
 @landscapeben: i bought a new batch in feb of this year - was using with Shimano levers after the the levers leaked again. They go awesome then lol.

Been really trying to get my hands on some trick stuff but my order from may last year is still not sent.
  • 1 0
 @HeatedRotor: gutting! Sorry dude tup
  • 1 0
 The future Grim Donut?
  • 1 0
 Gofundme page needed
  • 1 0
 Стритец ЖИВ!
  • 1 2
 just stick super monster t,s on it forget the wp thay weigh a ton..
  • 4 0
 Too flexxxy for the Ht angle
  • 1 2
 Just missing 29 front wheel. More moto.
  • 1 3
 Just because you can, doesn't always mean you should.
  • 3 4
 Absolutely ridiculous!
  • 1 4
 Jesus, chainstays well over 1/2 a metre!
  • 2 5
 Well, after 22 years, the time has come for me to leave.
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