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Waki_Cornering practice

For nasty use

30 Comments

  • + 3
 I try to keep the cranks horizontal until grip starts to fail, then drop the outside foot. This gives you somewhere to go if grip changes. If you commit to outside pedal down throughout the corner, then you don't have many alternatives besides a dab or outrigger when traction wanes.

Fortunately, this bit of unsolicited advice won't cost a single öre.
  • + 1
 I am aware of that technique and I was planning to try it as one could argue that riding with leveled pedals in general offers more "options" as even if you don't drop the pedal you can generate additional pressure using hips alone driving both pedals to the ground at once as one would do on a pumptrack. IHaving them leveled and pumping with hip will actually generate more pressure than dropping pedal. I am good at it on right handers Razz At the same time riding with lowered pedal drops your COG by over 5 inches so it offers a more balanced ride and if you keep your knee at least a bit bent with dropped heel you can still generate some pressure Big Grin Practice practice practice
  • + 1
 Pretty weird line choice though..
  • + 1
 Please explain
  • + 1
 Well said, mater WAKI. I know that James Wilson (www.bikejames.com) has argued from a physiological standpoint that if we always ride with the same foot forward, then we'll have a direction in which we turn more easily and confidently. I know that years ago, with rigid bikes and steep head angles and my size 46 shoes I used to I tried to put the 'inside foot' forward to avoid hitting my toes on the front wheel. It is clear that today, most riders are taught to keep their front foot forward when not pedaling and this seemingly leads to strength turing one direction and challenge in the other. Interesting to contemplate. I know he (James W.) got neg propped in an article he wrote several months ago where he stated this perspective. May need to go back and see if it is worth trying to teach this old dog some new tricks. hmmmmm.
  • + 1
 I read a lot of stuff from James, and I pondered this issue a bit long time ago but I don't really agree with him because A-both foot placements have pros and cons, I feel more confident with foot down but at the same time I can lean the bike harder when my both feet are turned towards the exit of the corner, when leveled (one he adresses as the right technique - leading foot on the outside). 170mm of lowering of your body's Center Off Mass is hell of a lot and is pretty much unachieveable with leading foot on the outside without a weird move putting your out of balance. You either have to pedal forward what requires putting pressure on pedal, thus shifting weight too much forward (assuming you are on right gear), putting you out of balance in result, or you need to back pedal 3/4 of stroke which I doubt anyone does, ever, anywhere. I must say I find late, hard braking as a great way of shifting body weight forward. I think Gene Hamilton from Betterride.net was writing something about it in his article on not dropping your butt while braking.
  • + 1
 Well judging by this video it's inside - outside - outside, whereas the basic rule is outside - inside -outside unless there's an obstacle in that line that will slow you down more than taking the lesser line. Nathan Rennie explained it pretty well in Fundamentals, which I would prefer over other instruction pieces.
  • - 1
 No way to apply it here - both entrance and exit of the corner are 1,5m wide between two trees, so there is no real outside. It looks like a section through stomach more or less. For general advice I'd rather refer to LeeMcCormacks book than Fundamentals vid from Dirt that doesn't break any skill down. They just show you what is possible, what kind of move pros use. Nathan also talked about it on 4x track where you see through the corner. This one is blind for at least 50% of the way. Back to Lee and Lopes book, they talk of a great thing that is: it is always better to brake too much than too little and turn later than sooner. Late apex FTW. Also enter as wide as you can.
  • + 1
 For the good of humanbikingkind, this is one of the most impressive things I have ever seen when it comes to cornering.

www.facebook.com/jerome.clementz/videos/732247913531450/?pnref=story

Then if you ever have time put two videos next to each other: inside lines on the last corner in Val Di Sole: one with Sam Hill crashing and losing gold medal, and second one from 2012 I think with Gwin winning, (Danny Hart blew up the berm a minute later). Sam keeps it sliding all the way in incredible manner, until unfortunate dirt eating feast, while Gwin rails it like a Japanese monorail train in even more loose conditions. I have no clue how Gwin does it...
  • + 1
 I mean, Jerome is seriously underrated, look at all videos in his profile, holy sht...
www.facebook.com/jerome.clementz/videos

watch thaaat! This is nuts considering that he does not train those trails for a week like DHillers
www.facebook.com/jerome.clementz/videos/vb.348752135214365/745451488877759/?type=2&theater
  • + 1
 Flat corners are my fave, preferably loose surface like this one. I think your pretty much nailing the basics.. the only thing I could really say is maybe try pushing that front wheel thru a bit more by moving your weight a little further forward..you look a little static thru the corner, maybe experiment with subtle weight shifts fore and aft as you move thru the apex and play around with the drift.. Have fun, get loose!
  • + 1
 Thanks! Lately I prefer such topics of discussion rather than how many tokens in your Pike Big Grin

#doyoueventokensinyourpike
  • + 1
 It's a great idea! I think I might try some on sections of trail I am struggling with..peer feedback is awesome, free advice is always welcome.
  • + 2
 so slow ; are you going to send your video to charlie to get some robot tips ?
  • + 6
 No, I posted it merely as a seeking fame and appreciation here on Pinkbike. Do you think I can get sponsored with those skills?
  • + 5
 I'd let you sign my breasts any time Waki
  • + 2
 I'm sure you can get sponsored, the good thing is you don't need slow mo in you video. Since gwin is going to leave sram, you should send them a resume with your results and this awesome video.
  • + 1
 seriously - can you ride faster?
  • + 1
 no idea, it's soaking wet here, full of roots and rocks, and the slopes are like 45°
  • + 2
 I know, I know and Germans are always close
  • + 1
 I don't get the joke.
"in a related story" I was wondering if it's a good idea to apply a really light rear braking while cornering ? because usually, It's the front wheel which loose the grip first
  • + 3
 Bad jokes aside I did it just because it is a turn where I can practice body position and looking ahead. Speed is irrelevant. I actually did it on the edge of grip I am able to generate. The corner is tightening and flat, so no gain in speed at the end of it. When I tried to come in as fast as I could (the top of the hill was like 2-3 vertical m above that corner) sliding was robbing me from even more exit speed. Behind the corner there is a slight incline so I can measure how well I took it by how high I roll. Going in too hot was not good at all. I'll do similar thing on higher speed corner this evening.

As to your sliding, whether front or rear slides away first is just a matter of weight distribution. If you are too far back as most of us amateurs are, then this is what happens. Braking in the turn is dependent on loots of sht, but generally it is better to brake more than necessary and then roll through the turn and pump the exit rather than coming in too hot and dancing like a bag of potatoes sliding out and sht. Sliding on MTB is as good as Clarkson drifting on Top Gear track - it is effectful, not effective Big Grin Pros drift a lot on sick edits, and very little on the race run. Sliding is fun though Big Grin keep it balanced Big Grin
  • + 1
 Waki speaks the truth, it's better to brake before, as CG said in some video it's about how fast you exit the turn, not how fast you enter it.
But there's so many variables it's kind of hard, for example a couple of days ago I fully commited to the front wheel on a flat corner with mud and I nearly exploded.
Maybe a wheelie out of the corner?? or a cuttie (or whatever its called)
  • + 1
 @zede if the front wheel looses grip first on your bike adjust position. Either on your own of change your cockpit. It shouldn't be that way.
  • + 3
 any slower and you'd be going backwards
  • + 7
 You heartless knob!
  • + 3
 Why? going backwards through that corner would be badass!
  • + 1
 Perfect little to clip show someone who is learning the concept.
  • - 2
 to people claiming he's going slow, here's something that will really make you go slow: breaking your shoulder from going fast through a flat corner with no skill.

that'll slow ya down, you wankers.
  • + 1
 Smile goddammit !








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