There's still nothing out there to compare to the Sultan bro, that's why she stays. Even though she's a long frame, slower round the bends, but forward planning and a short 50mm stem x 760mm low rise bars keeps this beauty's turning circle predictable, fast, responsive and balanced. I got some orange 810mm bars coming, but will trim down, also stiffer wheelset in the Easton EA360s. The new Ellsworths are looking good, the newer Turner Sultan got the oversized head tube 1.5in, rear maxle, and a few extra weld plates for strength over mine....I would love the 2010 over my 2009, but maybe in the future? I think that newer one would be much stiffer due to the rear maxle and 1.5 head tube, but prices still high.