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Help Please! Rockshox Revelation Rl 650b 140mm info
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flag danlang22
Posted: May 8, 2015 at 9:55 Quote
Hi all,

Im considering buying the orange crush 2015, it has Rockshox Revelation Rl 140mm forks and im trying to figure out whether it has lockout ? some internet info seems to suggest no, but then other reviews talk about lockout.

could anybody possibly shed some light from experience or maybe seeing one?

also if anybody does know and it doesn't have lockout is this going to be a problem when coming to fast riding on flat surfaces.

thanks in advance.
flag Harry-Bradbury
Posted: May 8, 2015 at 13:03 Quote
Rock Shox Revelation RL

"Something good got even better. We received so much positive feedback from trail riders out there that we wanted to give something back. Winner of numerous magazine tests, we upgraded Revelation with our new Motion Control DNA system. Now, the stiff and lightweight ultimate trail fork is even smoother and more responsive. And with Dual Position AIr, the uphills are even easier now, too. Add in the new RCT3 - a lockout with three positions - and you can adapt to any terrain: Switch between "Open (with all DNA possibilities)"

Also, in the specs sheet: "External Beginning Stroke Rebound /Low Speed Compression / Tooled Floodgate and External Lockout / Spring via Air Pressure, External Travel: Dual Position Air (+ 80 g), Damping: External rebound, low speed compression to 'Lock' with internal Floodgate , Spring Adjust: Air pressure via single Schrader valve"

This is from the sram website, so as it seems it does, but from experience I wouldn't know. I have RockShox Pike and these do have a lockout, but it doesn't totally lock out the fork to the point where it won't move no matter how hard you try, but it makes it extremely hard to push down. So in effect it does work very well!
flag Robertlewallyn
Posted: May 8, 2015 at 19:22 Quote
I have a revelation rl 130mm and I wish I had gotten my shop to substitute it for a pike. The chassis is simply too flexy and it really shows in the rough stuff. I ride a 2014 stumpjumper fsr comp 29, a bike that really should be able to handle light enduro style riding but the fork is really holding me back. I just dont trust it to push farther than I have. I have gotten up to doing four foot drops at full speed, blasting over rough and numerous roots, and hucking up to about 15 feet in distance, but the fork flexes enough that I worry about barreling down rough descents. Do yourself a favor and get a pike rct3 or rl instead.
flag Harry-Bradbury
Posted: May 12, 2015 at 11:26 Quote
I have pike rct3, wish I could recommend them, but had two pairs and have had problems with both. Sent the first pair back after a month, got them replaced with a new pair which have just started wobbling and clunking after a week...
flag brianl
Posted: May 12, 2015 at 12:00 Quote
danlang22 wrote:
Hi all,

Im considering buying the orange crush 2015, it has Rockshox Revelation Rl 140mm forks and im trying to figure out whether it has lockout ? some internet info seems to suggest no, but then other reviews talk about lockout.

could anybody possibly shed some light from experience or maybe seeing one?

also if anybody does know and it doesn't have lockout is this going to be a problem when coming to fast riding on flat surfaces.

thanks in advance.
Not sure if you're still waiting for info, but,
Yes - I just bought a 2015 27.5 Trance with 140mm Revelation RL, and the LSC knob goes from full open through 4 clicks to what I'd call a lockout, moves only slightly if you bounce on it hard. The Monarch RT shock doesn't lock out, just a threshold setting, seems like a strange match for OEM.

Robert - the Rev is plenty stiff for my needs, but I'm only 140lb.
If you need more, you might start shopping around for a deal on a Pike or Mattoc.
flag Robertlewallyn
Posted: May 12, 2015 at 18:50 Quote
I also weigh about 140lbs and have only been riding for about six months, not counting winter Frown , and have progressed enough that when I ride enduro style courses or rough singletrack and am charging through rocky sections, the fork can flex enough to be worrying. On the other hand, it behaves very well in smooth to moderate conditions. To be fair though the revelation was never meant to be a hard charging enduro fork, but would seriously benefit from a couple 32mm bottomless tokens which I have just ordered to tune the spring rate to be more progressive and resist diving under braking and bottoming out after jumps. The somewhat soft wheels that are supplied with my bike may also contribute to the flexy feeling but it feels like the fork itself isn't being able to stay composed in the really rough stuff.

Harry- where is the feeling of clunkiness originating? If from the headset, the fork may need to be tightened in a bit using the top cap bolt. If from the legs, the damper and left leg bolt may be loose, causing the the lower legs to move independently from the damper and air spring and being very clunky. This will also allow the lube bath to leak out and cause the fork to be sticky and need service very often. If from the stanchions themselves, the dust seal may be incorrectly installed or disfigured. If it is simply a matter of the ride, just pm me and I'd be more than happy to help you tune the fork to your preferences.

Brianl- what do you mean by four clicks? Revelations only have a three mode system: open, threshold, and "lockout". Also, great choice of bike! The trance should be an efficient, nimble all rounder for every trail
flag brianl
Posted: May 13, 2015 at 11:34 Quote
Robertlewallyn wrote:
I also weigh about 140lbs and have only been riding for about six months, not counting winter Frown , and have progressed enough that when I ride enduro style courses or rough singletrack and am charging through rocky sections, the fork can flex enough to be worrying. On the other hand, it behaves very well in smooth to moderate conditions. To be fair though the revelation was never meant to be a hard charging enduro fork, but would seriously benefit from a couple 32mm bottomless tokens which I have just ordered to tune the spring rate to be more progressive and resist diving under braking and bottoming out after jumps. The somewhat soft wheels that are supplied with my bike may also contribute to the flexy feeling but it feels like the fork itself isn't being able to stay composed in the really rough stuff.

Harry- where is the feeling of clunkiness originating? If from the headset, the fork may need to be tightened in a bit using the top cap bolt. If from the legs, the damper and left leg bolt may be loose, causing the the lower legs to move independently from the damper and air spring and being very clunky. This will also allow the lube bath to leak out and cause the fork to be sticky and need service very often. If from the stanchions themselves, the dust seal may be incorrectly installed or disfigured. If it is simply a matter of the ride, just pm me and I'd be more than happy to help you tune the fork to your preferences.

Brianl- what do you mean by four clicks? Revelations only have a three mode system: open, threshold, and "lockout". Also, great choice of bike! The trance should be an efficient, nimble all rounder for every trail
Rev/Pike RCT3 has the 3 settings, plus adjustable LSC, but my Rev RL has a lever with 4 or 5 clicks between open and locked, sort of adjustable LSC but I'm not sure what the damper looks like inside, yet.

Yeah, worth trying the tokens to fine tune the spring curve, and yes, wheels could definitely be a factor in the flex you're feeling, so if you have a chance, try a stiffer/beefier set, before upgrading the fork.
flag titaniumtit
Posted: May 13, 2015 at 21:27 Quote
Harry-Bradbury wrote:
I have pike rct3, wish I could recommend them, but had two pairs and have had problems with both. Sent the first pair back after a month, got them replaced with a new pair which have just started wobbling and clunking after a week...

This is typical of RS purchases.

Every set of RS I have ever bought new needed warranty work.

Never ever will I touch them
Again.

Not with the likes of X Fusion etc at exceptional
Prices with uber reliability compared to RS's deteriorating image. Even if they reckon tbeyve pulled it out if the bag with their pike/rs 1 marketing shite!
flag Harry-Bradbury
Posted: May 22, 2015 at 0:00 Quote
Haha, I agree. Two sets of bikes, both a massive pain in the arse. this will be the second warranty job, but hopefully I can get credited for them rather than a new set (get some Fox 36's).

The noise is definitely coming from the stantion, headset is brand new and correctly tensioned. There's rattling from the lower left leg of the fork AND there's a knocking when the fork is being pushed down. Thanks for the help though, will return asap.
flag trillion
Posted: May 27, 2015 at 10:35 Quote
brianl wrote:
Rev/Pike RCT3 has the 3 settings, plus adjustable LSC, but my Rev RL has a lever with 4 or 5 clicks between open and locked, sort of adjustable LSC but I'm not sure what the damper looks like inside, yet.

Yeah, worth trying the tokens to fine tune the spring curve, and yes, wheels could definitely be a factor in the flex you're feeling, so if you have a chance, try a stiffer/beefier set, before upgrading the fork.
How many clicks are you running for the LSC adjustment? I'm got the RL on a new bike so I'm still playing around with the fork butI'm finding the last 3 positions are just way too unresponsive to small bumps...to the point of being almost useless (except for using the near-lockout I suppose).
flag brianl
Posted: May 27, 2015 at 12:09 Quote
trillion wrote:
brianl wrote:
Rev/Pike RCT3 has the 3 settings, plus adjustable LSC, but my Rev RL has a lever with 4 or 5 clicks between open and locked, sort of adjustable LSC but I'm not sure what the damper looks like inside, yet.

Yeah, worth trying the tokens to fine tune the spring curve, and yes, wheels could definitely be a factor in the flex you're feeling, so if you have a chance, try a stiffer/beefier set, before upgrading the fork.
How many clicks are you running for the LSC adjustment? I'm got the RL on a new bike so I'm still playing around with the fork butI'm finding the last 3 positions are just way too unresponsive to small bumps...to the point of being almost useless (except for using the near-lockout I suppose).
I'm running it wide open, and didn't feel a need to add any LSC.
I think with this primitive damper the LSC might be ok for climbing out of the saddle but it's not going to feel like a real shimstack for reducing brake dive and bottom out. I've ordered an RCT3 damper for the fork (retails for $225), so you might see if your LBS will give you a discount on one.
flag north-shore-king
Posted: Oct 4, 2015 at 22:00 Quote
Robertlewallyn wrote:
I have a revelation rl 130mm and I wish I had gotten my shop to substitute it for a pike. The chassis is simply too flexy and it really shows in the rough stuff. I ride a 2014 stumpjumper fsr comp 29, a bike that really should be able to handle light enduro style riding but the fork is really holding me back. I just dont trust it to push farther than I have. I have gotten up to doing four foot drops at full speed, blasting over rough and numerous roots, and hucking up to about 15 feet in distance, but the fork flexes enough that I worry about barreling down rough descents. Do yourself a favor and get a pike rct3 or rl instead.

The rev is much better suited for 26 and 27.5 inch wheels and not for 29ers because the fork is shorter and stiffer in the smaller wheel sizes.
flag north-shore-king
Posted: Oct 15, 2015 at 14:15 Quote
Yes the rev has a lockout that only allows 1 inch or so of travel to be used. As a side note the rev RLs that come on the Norco Sights and specialized Stumpjumper FSRs are the best, but in general the rev RL is a great fork. Never get FOX.
Rockshox all the way. Good luck.
flag mhoshal
Posted: Mar 8, 2016 at 4:39 Quote
I've got the Rev RLT 150mm and love it. For the guys having issues with them you shouldn't try and tinker with a suspension fork without first knowing what you're doing. Backyard mechanics who don't have a clue are always gonna blame the brand for their own stupidity
flag north-shore-king
Posted: May 21, 2016 at 22:48 Quote
mhoshal wrote:
I've got the Rev RLT 150mm and love it. For the guys having issues with them you shouldn't try and tinker with a suspension fork without first knowing what you're doing. Backyard mechanics who don't have a clue are always gonna blame the brand for their own stupidity

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