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flag Noah8
Posted: Aug 16, 2015 at 7:44 Quote
Hi everyone,

I am Noah, used to race pro motocross/supercross and now going to step to DH and see where I can reach.

I am living in Germany now and I am looking for a DH bike to race the 2016 season and maybe further. I was thinking of buying a bike emidiatly but then I thought maybe the 2016 models will be out soon and I should wait.

My options where yt industries Tues CF pro, solid strick dh world cup, pivot, and also radon.
First question is I don't understand why all the top guys riding for yt industries only use the rock shock suspension and not the bos? Second when do u guys think the 2016 will be out. Basically I am just really confused what to go for. Radon still has 26 wheels but I am sure for 2016 they will change it.
Are there any other brands on this process catogary I am missing!?

Let me know.
Cheers .
flag gcmartini
Posted: Aug 16, 2015 at 9:15 Quote
Hey man!

The reason the riders on the YT industries team donèt ride with BOS suspension is because most of them are sponsored by a different suspension company such as Marz or RockShox.

As far as bikes go, this is all personal preference. Durability is all roughly the same, however you must pick a bike that fits you best as the geometry is unique on each one. Also you want a bike that fits your budget no-doubt. Your best bet is to buy a bike with the new industry standard, 27.5 wheel size, as pretty much all world cup racers are suiting these wheels.
flag Noah8
Posted: Aug 16, 2015 at 12:42 Quote
Thanks. I also though that most of them must be sponsored by Rckshox. I mean i donut have any DH experience and i cant go to all the factories and try them out since that will cost a lot of money. I only have experience with MX and all kind of MX set up. but nothing with DH. My budge is around 4k Euros.

Another thing i am not sure about is should i wait for the 2016 models from yt indus or any other brands. Or should i just get a 2015 one right away.

gcmartini wrote:
Hey man!

The reason the riders on the YT industries team donèt ride with BOS suspension is because most of them are sponsored by a different suspension company such as Marz or RockShox.

As far as bikes go, this is all personal preference. Durability is all roughly the same, however you must pick a bike that fits you best as the geometry is unique on each one. Also you want a bike that fits your budget no-doubt. Your best bet is to buy a bike with the new industry standard, 27.5 wheel size, as pretty much all world cup racers are suiting these wheels.
flag gcmartini
Posted: Aug 16, 2015 at 13:13 Quote
You could wait until 2016 however it is very likely that there will be minimal, if any, changes to geometry and components.

Since it may be too late in the season to start racing at all your local venue's, you could wait until next year to drop the cash. However if you did buy a bike now you would have the rest of the season to train and get a lot of time in on a DH bike, which in my opinion will definitely help you.

Personally, I would go with a YT bike and spend 3000-3400 euros on it. Keep whatever money that's left to help with the maintenance of the bike for the next season.
flag Laevian
Posted: Aug 16, 2015 at 14:08 Quote
Noah8 wrote:
Thanks. I also though that most of them must be sponsored by Rckshox. I mean i donut have any DH experience and i cant go to all the factories and try them out since that will cost a lot of money. I only have experience with MX and all kind of MX set up. but nothing with DH. My budge is around 4k Euros.

Another thing i am not sure about is should i wait for the 2016 models from yt indus or any other brands. Or should i just get a 2015 one right away.

gcmartini wrote:
Hey man!

The reason the riders on the YT industries team donèt ride with BOS suspension is because most of them are sponsored by a different suspension company such as Marz or RockShox.

As far as bikes go, this is all personal preference. Durability is all roughly the same, however you must pick a bike that fits you best as the geometry is unique on each one. Also you want a bike that fits your budget no-doubt. Your best bet is to buy a bike with the new industry standard, 27.5 wheel size, as pretty much all world cup racers are suiting these wheels.

The best thing you can do is to make your own build to fit your exact riding style.

As from a rider to another, you can't expect to get off the bike and directly onto the dh track and master it without at least one year training and learning the basics. Without the proper exercise it's not worth the risk.

If you have no dh experience as you say, find an assistant or ride with a group of downhill riders for at least one year before. If you went pro in Motocross you will know that "Uebung macht den Meister" and you have to take your preparation well before in consideration.

Keep it safe and make your own build, that's my point. Find your strenghts and weaknesses on your bike and complement them with a custom build. If i were you i would buy a second hand dh bike and would start there.

If you have 4K Eur to invest, try investing in yourself as well, getting proper training and nutrition. Don't spend it all on the bike from the beginning, until you get some experience. I think one year of proper dedication can bring you somewhere, but i don't know if close enough to the podium. That's up to you.

You can't know what you need before you try stuff out, and yes, visiting all factories is not worth it. Don't let bike shops shove their standards down your throat. You have an option.
flag Loki87
Posted: Aug 16, 2015 at 15:29 Quote
I can recommend the Strike from personal experience. However, all of the listed bikes will work just as good as the other.
There are nearly no bad choices out there and differences are minimal in handling characteristics.
I wouldn´t pay a premium for a bike like the Pivot Phoenix, as it doesn´t offer any real advantages besides image and reputation.
A custom build is good, but for a beginner with no experience absolutely worthless, since you would not even know which parts you prefer, so all the choice you gain with a custom build is wasted anyways. Besides, these completes are speced incredibly well anyways.


As a sidenote, i´d recommend to stay away from BOS suspension. In our region the service is horrible (which means service is terrible and they actively hinder you from doing it yourself by not providing spare parts).
Get the Rock Shox equipped models instead, they work just as well and are easily serviceable.
flag Noah8
Posted: Aug 17, 2015 at 2:50 Quote
Thanks for the info.
yes training is key, know that from MX.

gcmartini wrote:
You could wait until 2016 however it is very likely that there will be minimal, if any, changes to geometry and components.

Since it may be too late in the season to start racing at all your local venue's, you could wait until next year to drop the cash. However if you did buy a bike now you would have the rest of the season to train and get a lot of time in on a DH bike, which in my opinion will definitely help you.

Personally, I would go with a YT bike and spend 3000-3400 euros on it. Keep whatever money that's left to help with the maintenance of the bike for the next season.
flag Noah8
Posted: Aug 17, 2015 at 2:53 Quote
But building a custom bike for my riding style will also be very expensive and difficult since it is not like you can try out things and then change. I think buying a full ready bike will be better.
Fitness side is under control and nutrition too since i also studied fitness food nutrition.
But on bike time is what i need the most.

Laevian wrote:
Noah8 wrote:
Thanks. I also though that most of them must be sponsored by Rckshox. I mean i donut have any DH experience and i cant go to all the factories and try them out since that will cost a lot of money. I only have experience with MX and all kind of MX set up. but nothing with DH. My budge is around 4k Euros.

Another thing i am not sure about is should i wait for the 2016 models from yt indus or any other brands. Or should i just get a 2015 one right away.

gcmartini wrote:
Hey man!

The reason the riders on the YT industries team donèt ride with BOS suspension is because most of them are sponsored by a different suspension company such as Marz or RockShox.

As far as bikes go, this is all personal preference. Durability is all roughly the same, however you must pick a bike that fits you best as the geometry is unique on each one. Also you want a bike that fits your budget no-doubt. Your best bet is to buy a bike with the new industry standard, 27.5 wheel size, as pretty much all world cup racers are suiting these wheels.

The best thing you can do is to make your own build to fit your exact riding style.

As from a rider to another, you can't expect to get off the bike and directly onto the dh track and master it without at least one year training and learning the basics. Without the proper exercise it's not worth the risk.

If you have no dh experience as you say, find an assistant or ride with a group of downhill riders for at least one year before. If you went pro in Motocross you will know that "Uebung macht den Meister" and you have to take your preparation well before in consideration.

Keep it safe and make your own build, that's my point. Find your strenghts and weaknesses on your bike and complement them with a custom build. If i were you i would buy a second hand dh bike and would start there.

If you have 4K Eur to invest, try investing in yourself as well, getting proper training and nutrition. Don't spend it all on the bike from the beginning, until you get some experience. I think one year of proper dedication can bring you somewhere, but i don't know if close enough to the podium. That's up to you.

You can't know what you need before you try stuff out, and yes, visiting all factories is not worth it. Don't let bike shops shove their standards down your throat. You have an option.
flag Noah8
Posted: Aug 17, 2015 at 2:53 Quote
But the yt tues pro only comes with bos suspension.
Loki87 wrote:
I can recommend the Strike from personal experience. However, all of the listed bikes will work just as good as the other.
There are nearly no bad choices out there and differences are minimal in handling characteristics.
I wouldn´t pay a premium for a bike like the Pivot Phoenix, as it doesn´t offer any real advantages besides image and reputation.
A custom build is good, but for a beginner with no experience absolutely worthless, since you would not even know which parts you prefer, so all the choice you gain with a custom build is wasted anyways. Besides, these completes are speced incredibly well anyways.


As a sidenote, i´d recommend to stay away from BOS suspension. In our region the service is horrible (which means service is terrible and they actively hinder you from doing it yourself by not providing spare parts).
Get the Rock Shox equipped models instead, they work just as well and are easily serviceable.
flag Loki87
Posted: Aug 17, 2015 at 5:43 Quote
Noah8 wrote:
But the yt tues pro only comes with bos suspension.
Loki87 wrote:
I can recommend the Strike from personal experience. However, all of the listed bikes will work just as good as the other.
There are nearly no bad choices out there and differences are minimal in handling characteristics.
I wouldn´t pay a premium for a bike like the Pivot Phoenix, as it doesn´t offer any real advantages besides image and reputation.
A custom build is good, but for a beginner with no experience absolutely worthless, since you would not even know which parts you prefer, so all the choice you gain with a custom build is wasted anyways. Besides, these completes are speced incredibly well anyways.


As a sidenote, i´d recommend to stay away from BOS suspension. In our region the service is horrible (which means service is terrible and they actively hinder you from doing it yourself by not providing spare parts).
Get the Rock Shox equipped models instead, they work just as well and are easily serviceable.

You don´t have to buy the Tues Pro. The Comp is a very well spec´d bike. There´s nothing to be gained from the Pro besides more bling bling and a little lighter weight maybe.
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