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flag rustler
Posted: May 9, 2025 at 22:56 Quote
Zipp 303s vs. Hunt 40 carbon discs???

Current gravel bike is fantastic, and I want to make it the do-all with a carbon road wheelset. These two have come recommended and are in the same cost range ($865 & $980). I'd be happy with either one... thoughts? Tires to pair them with?
flag seraph
Posted: May 14, 2025 at 12:50 Quote
Zipp has a much better pedigree than Hunt. They'd be my first choice.
flag dirttorpedo
Posted: May 21, 2025 at 15:56 Quote
I'm old school and would avoid any wheelset that had hookless rims. I think the Zipp are hookless.
flag seraph
Posted: May 22, 2025 at 15:54 Quote
dirttorpedo wrote:
I'm old school and would avoid any wheelset that had hookless rims. I think the Zipp are hookless.

I've been riding hookless rims on my gravel bike since 2020. No issues so far. I'm pretty sure I'm not even riding tires that are specifically for hookless rims.
flag dirttorpedo
Posted: May 26, 2025 at 10:17 Quote
seraph wrote:
dirttorpedo wrote:
I'm old school and would avoid any wheelset that had hookless rims. I think the Zipp are hookless.

I've been riding hookless rims on my gravel bike since 2020. No issues so far. I'm pretty sure I'm not even riding tires that are specifically for hookless rims.

That's great news. I'm a retrogrouch so I like the tried and true - particularly if putting out that kind of coin on an upgrade. I'm thinking about getting a set of carbon wheels for my carbon gravel bike for road riding and am looking at Shimano 105 or Roval because I don't have the $ in my budget for high end wheels like Zipps, etc.
flag seraph
Posted: May 28, 2025 at 23:12 Quote
dirttorpedo wrote:
seraph wrote:
dirttorpedo wrote:
I'm old school and would avoid any wheelset that had hookless rims. I think the Zipp are hookless.

I've been riding hookless rims on my gravel bike since 2020. No issues so far. I'm pretty sure I'm not even riding tires that are specifically for hookless rims.

That's great news. I'm a retrogrouch so I like the tried and true - particularly if putting out that kind of coin on an upgrade. I'm thinking about getting a set of carbon wheels for my carbon gravel bike for road riding and am looking at Shimano 105 or Roval because I don't have the $ in my budget for high end wheels like Zipps, etc.

I'm trying to tell you that hookless is just fine. It's both tried and true. What do you have against hookless anyway?
flag dirttorpedo
Posted: Jun 2, 2025 at 9:50 Quote
seraph wrote:
dirttorpedo wrote:
seraph wrote:


I've been riding hookless rims on my gravel bike since 2020. No issues so far. I'm pretty sure I'm not even riding tires that are specifically for hookless rims.

That's great news. I'm a retrogrouch so I like the tried and true - particularly if putting out that kind of coin on an upgrade. I'm thinking about getting a set of carbon wheels for my carbon gravel bike for road riding and am looking at Shimano 105 or Roval because I don't have the $ in my budget for high end wheels like Zipps, etc.

I'm trying to tell you that hookless is just fine. It's both tried and true. What do you have against hookless anyway?

I get you're trying to tell me that hookless is tried and true. I guess you haven't heard / read the reports of unexpected blowouts of some tires being run tubeless on hookless rims in the road cycling space. I've been primarily a roadie / gravel cyclist for the last 15 years and as indicated a retrogrouch. I like tubes, clinchers, and hooked rims which as far as I can tell don't spontaneously blow off the rim at typical road pressures. Which probably isn't a big deal, because expensive carbon wheelsets haven't been in my budget so far. But if they are, I'll get ones with hooked rims.
flag seraph
Posted: Jun 3, 2025 at 22:16 Quote
dirttorpedo wrote:
seraph wrote:
dirttorpedo wrote:


That's great news. I'm a retrogrouch so I like the tried and true - particularly if putting out that kind of coin on an upgrade. I'm thinking about getting a set of carbon wheels for my carbon gravel bike for road riding and am looking at Shimano 105 or Roval because I don't have the $ in my budget for high end wheels like Zipps, etc.

I'm trying to tell you that hookless is just fine. It's both tried and true. What do you have against hookless anyway?

I get you're trying to tell me that hookless is tried and true. I guess you haven't heard / read the reports of unexpected blowouts of some tires being run tubeless on hookless rims in the road cycling space. I've been primarily a roadie / gravel cyclist for the last 15 years and as indicated a retrogrouch. I like tubes, clinchers, and hooked rims which as far as I can tell don't spontaneously blow off the rim at typical road pressures. Which probably isn't a big deal, because expensive carbon wheelsets haven't been in my budget so far. But if they are, I'll get ones with hooked rims.

I can almost guarantee that any failures with hookless rims have been user error, most likely the use of tires that are not designed to work with hookless rims. We sell our bikes with Zipp wheels and Schwalbe tires. The rims have a recommended max pressure of 73 psi. If a user installs different (wrong) tires or exceeds that pressure rating, whatever happens is entirely their fault for not following manufacturers' recommended settings.
flag dirttorpedo
Posted: Jun 4, 2025 at 9:15 Quote
Zipp advises that Zipp wheels are only compatible with approved tires and provides this chart. https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/campaigns/hookless-tire-compatibility#xplr

With hooked rims, I can run any clincher I want, tubes or tubeless and am not limited to a max pressure of 73 psi (which is about 7 psi lower than I typically run on my road bike these days).

So you sell them? Makes sense you promote them then.

Roadies discussing the roadie perspective on hookless rims here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTo3hflNb0c

Link to the prior show mentioned above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkqSgTu2SR8

Interesting interview with mulitiple rim manufacturers at Sea Otter here - https://bikerumor.com/how-the-bike-industry-really-feels-about-hookless-wheels/

So low pressure and fat tires work well with tubeless and higher pressure skinny tires don't. Suggested in last interview that any tire 35mm or skinnier at pressures above 75 psi is not a good match for hookless. Considering the reported accuracy of pump pressure guages you'd probably want to run less than 70psi to be safe. Common road tire sizes are 28mm - 32mm currently (I am riding 32mm on my gravel bike when using as winter road trainer). So if you are looking for a carbon wheelset to run skinny road tires hookless is probably not the way to go from what I've heard in my recent research.

Does that make sense to you?
flag seraph
Posted: Jun 4, 2025 at 15:59 Quote
dirttorpedo wrote:
Zipp advises that Zipp wheels are only compatible with approved tires and provides this chart. https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/campaigns/hookless-tire-compatibility#xplr

With hooked rims, I can run any clincher I want, tubes or tubeless and am not limited to a max pressure of 73 psi (which is about 7 psi lower than I typically run on my road bike these days).

So you sell them? Makes sense you promote them then.

Roadies discussing the roadie perspective on hookless rims here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTo3hflNb0c

Link to the prior show mentioned above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkqSgTu2SR8

Interesting interview with mulitiple rim manufacturers at Sea Otter here - https://bikerumor.com/how-the-bike-industry-really-feels-about-hookless-wheels/

So low pressure and fat tires work well with tubeless and higher pressure skinny tires don't. Suggested in last interview that any tire 35mm or skinnier at pressures above 75 psi is not a good match for hookless. Considering the reported accuracy of pump pressure guages you'd probably want to run less than 70psi to be safe. Common road tire sizes are 28mm - 32mm currently (I am riding 32mm on my gravel bike when using as winter road trainer). So if you are looking for a carbon wheelset to run skinny road tires hookless is probably not the way to go from what I've heard in my recent research.

Does that make sense to you?

We sell our bikes with 25c tires on hookless Zipp rims and have not had any issues with blowouts. Where is your god now?

And I'm not saying you should run 25c tires. It's not 2004 anymore. What I'm saying is that at the right pressure, and with the right tire, you'll be fine.
flag dirttorpedo
Posted: Jun 9, 2025 at 10:14 Quote
seraph wrote:
dirttorpedo wrote:
Zipp advises that Zipp wheels are only compatible with approved tires and provides this chart. https://www.sram.com/en/zipp/campaigns/hookless-tire-compatibility#xplr

With hooked rims, I can run any clincher I want, tubes or tubeless and am not limited to a max pressure of 73 psi (which is about 7 psi lower than I typically run on my road bike these days).

So you sell them? Makes sense you promote them then.

Roadies discussing the roadie perspective on hookless rims here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTo3hflNb0c

Link to the prior show mentioned above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkqSgTu2SR8

Interesting interview with mulitiple rim manufacturers at Sea Otter here - https://bikerumor.com/how-the-bike-industry-really-feels-about-hookless-wheels/

So low pressure and fat tires work well with tubeless and higher pressure skinny tires don't. Suggested in last interview that any tire 35mm or skinnier at pressures above 75 psi is not a good match for hookless. Considering the reported accuracy of pump pressure guages you'd probably want to run less than 70psi to be safe. Common road tire sizes are 28mm - 32mm currently (I am riding 32mm on my gravel bike when using as winter road trainer). So if you are looking for a carbon wheelset to run skinny road tires hookless is probably not the way to go from what I've heard in my recent research.

Does that make sense to you?

We sell our bikes with 25c tires on hookless Zipp rims and have not had any issues with blowouts. Where is your god now?

And I'm not saying you should run 25c tires. It's not 2004 anymore. What I'm saying is that at the right pressure, and with the right tire, you'll be fine.

Ha! Sorry, I don't have a "God" so I need to focus on more prosaic things like evidence and engineering opinion. Thanks for the gear shaming - sadly I don't have tens of thousands of dollars to keep up with the bike industry need for me to sell my perfectly serviceable road bike with 25mm max tire clearance, rim brakes and hooked alloy wheels. I chortled inside while my fat ass passed the fellow pushing his Pinarello Dogma with deep dish carbon wheels up the climbs on the fondo I rode this weekend. Anyhow, keep drinking the industry kool aid.
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