Hhahahaha how much do orange charge for the 224 Evo now? the basic single pivot frame made from FOLDED alumininium? no advanced techniques here, its something like 2k isnt it, for 2k i would be close to all the top frames, or one of the new giants and the best part of new forks1
The basic frame that'ss HAND MADE, that's why there expensive.
You my friend just found about catalog frames. Astro and a bunch load of other taiwanese companies develop frames and sell them to other so called bike brands to put their stickers on and sell them as legit. Most of times using the same factories as Kona, Specialized, Norco (in these cases the brands develop their frames and just get them built there). Same with the saddles, ever noticed that basically all those "chromolly rails" saddles on the market are all the same but with different graphics and branding? Thats why the veryfew companies that still build products in america are so proud of their "Handmade in USA" labels.
Intense Socoms are hand made, they have a VPP l;inkage, and cost the same as an orange.
Giant glorys are hand made, Maestro, and cost £1300
Also a point did you know only 6 people work at orange? I wonder how many work at giant hmmm.
You know what the worst thing about orange is on top of all this? after paying so much for a frame, if you break it ONE day over their warranty, they can really "help you out".
Front triangles are something like £900, Rear ends £700.
6 people work at Orange you say. 6 adults most likely. 6 adults with families, responsibilities, etc who have to pay for shit. They are going to charge up the butt because 1 company most likely has to support 6 people + their families.