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flag chasefreeride37
Posted: Nov 15, 2007 at 16:45 Quote
Hey pinkbike, I was wondering your opinion on mavic 823s for freeride and some DH. The main reason I will be buying the 823s will be for the tubeless capability and will be running minion UST's if I do buy them. They will be laced to ringles. I am wondering what your opinion is on using 823s for freeride, especially when they are tubeless. I understand that 823s are more of a DH race rim and are the same as deemax but they will be laced to a completely different hub and handmade. Them being mostly race rims makes me wonder how they will handle some rough freeride.

I have done my research and have come to a conclusion that tubeless is fine as long as you run the recommended amount of PSI for the tires so your not burping air on the way down. Though the 729 is bombproof and could save me a some cash, I am getting a very good deal on both (round $450 built for the 823s, less for the 729s) so it doesnt really matter and I'd rather save the weight of the tubes + rotational weight.

Probably the hardest riding I will be doing next summer will be at Blue Mountain and possibly Whistler. So... will a set of 823s on abbahs hold for rough freeride? Or will I end up having to true them every so often...
flag hihi
Posted: Nov 15, 2007 at 16:48 Quote
if u r getting 823 rims build in hub that alot cash alittler over priced
flag chasefreeride37
Posted: Nov 15, 2007 at 16:50 Quote
hihi wrote:
if u r getting 823 rims build in hub that alot cash alittler over priced

I found it was a good price considering they are quit a bit more online. Please speak normal english next time tho... I had to read your response a few times just to get it..
flag mcnaughty
Posted: Nov 15, 2007 at 16:53 Quote
Dude,

Those wheels will be tough as shit and super light. I use 32h DeeMax on Ringle hubs, Same wheels your building just with a powdercoated rim. Make sure the shop building them for you uses DT Swiss Alpine 111 spokes they are tripple butted and fit the wide flange on the Ringle hubs. You'll love these wheels.
flag laurie1
Posted: Nov 15, 2007 at 17:01 Quote
Mavic's EX823 are their highest end rims. Like you already know, they are essentially Deemax hoops. That being said, the rims are virtually indestructible and will be able to handle anything you can throw at them on both the freeride and the DH scene. As far as hubs go, I would get something better than Ringle, as ever since Hayes bought them, their quality has gone downhill (no pun intended). The hub bodies are absolute crap and they are one of those hubs that require more maintenance than one should do. I had to get mine rebuilt and the pawls went to hell after one wet and muddy race. Therefore, my Ringles got rebuilt at least twice in the season and I didn't even ride that much. I have since switched to CK hubs because I am sporting the Pretty and Strong hubs and headset. If you are shelling out that kind of money on 823's, I would invest in some Hadley hubs too. These are cheaper than Chris King and have the same clicking loudness as the Ringe but are far superior to the Ringle as they have a titanium cassette body which makes them very light and durable.
flag chasefreeride37
Posted: Nov 15, 2007 at 17:05 Quote
mcnaughty wrote:
Dude,

Those wheels will be tough as shit and super light. I use 32h DeeMax on Ringle hubs, Same wheels your building just with a powdercoated rim. Make sure the shop building them for you uses DT Swiss Alpine 111 spokes they are tripple butted and fit the wide flange on the Ringle hubs. You'll love these wheels.

I originally wanted to use alpine III but I think they said they want to use Champions Confused ... I will see if they can also order Alpine III's but it will most likely cost me a bit more cause they have the champions in stock.

I know the strength of the wheel is also based a huge amount on the build of the wheel to. From what they have explained to me, it seems like they know what they are doing and are going to take there time to built it (using the device that measure the amount of tension on each spoke individually).
flag driver-bob
Posted: Nov 15, 2007 at 17:08 Quote
823s are awesome rims. Been riding them all summer and whilst heavier than 729s they are still quite fine to use as a trail / freeride rim when pared with the right tires.

Champion spokes are fine, it's all in the build quality Wink

As a matter of interest, who is building them for you? It's not the easiest wheelset to build up.
flag chasefreeride37
Posted: Nov 15, 2007 at 17:12 Quote
laurie1 wrote:
Mavic's EX823 are their highest end rims. Like you already know, they are essentially Deemax hoops. That being said, the rims are virtually indestructible and will be able to handle anything you can throw at them on both the freeride and the DH scene. As far as hubs go, I would get something better than Ringle, as ever since Hayes bought them, their quality has gone downhill (no pun intended). The hub bodies are absolute crap and they are one of those hubs that require more maintenance than one should do. I had to get mine rebuilt and the pawls went to hell after one wet and muddy race. Therefore, my Ringles got rebuilt at least twice in the season and I didn't even ride that much. I have since switched to CK hubs because I am sporting the Pretty and Strong hubs and headset. If you are shelling out that kind of money on 823's, I would invest in some Hadley hubs too. These are cheaper than Chris King and have the same clicking loudness as the Ringe but are far superior to the Ringle as they have a titanium cassette body which makes them very light and durable.

Well it seems that 823s can easily handle DH and freeride from how you describe it. As for the Hadley, I honestly think they are to loud but if ringles are that low-grade and need that much maintenance, maybe it would be better to just get used to the hadleys.

Was it both your front and rear that blew on your bike or just the rear? Maybe a rear hadley/front abbah ringle to save some cash?

EDIT: omg, hadleys come in gold Pimp
flag chasefreeride37
Posted: Nov 15, 2007 at 17:13 Quote
driver-bob wrote:
823s are awesome rims. Been riding them all summer and whilst heavier than 729s they are still quite fine to use as a trail / freeride rim when pared with the right tires.

Champion spokes are fine, it's all in the build quality Wink

As a matter of interest, who is building them for you? It's not the easiest wheelset to build up.

The bike shop owners Dad would be building them up. He says he takes roughly 3 days to built up the wheelset and takes his time.
flag laurie1
Posted: Nov 15, 2007 at 17:22 Quote
chasefreeride37 wrote:
laurie1 wrote:
Mavic's EX823 are their highest end rims. Like you already know, they are essentially Deemax hoops. That being said, the rims are virtually indestructible and will be able to handle anything you can throw at them on both the freeride and the DH scene. As far as hubs go, I would get something better than Ringle, as ever since Hayes bought them, their quality has gone downhill (no pun intended). The hub bodies are absolute crap and they are one of those hubs that require more maintenance than one should do. I had to get mine rebuilt and the pawls went to hell after one wet and muddy race. Therefore, my Ringles got rebuilt at least twice in the season and I didn't even ride that much. I have since switched to CK hubs because I am sporting the Pretty and Strong hubs and headset. If you are shelling out that kind of money on 823's, I would invest in some Hadley hubs too. These are cheaper than Chris King and have the same clicking loudness as the Ringe but are far superior to the Ringle as they have a titanium cassette body which makes them very light and durable.

Well it seems that 823s can easily handle DH and freeride from how you describe it. As for the Hadley, I honestly think they are to loud but if ringles are that low-grade and need that much maintenance, maybe it would be better to just get used to the hadleys.

Was it both your front and rear that blew on your bike or just the rear? Maybe a rear hadley/front abbah ringle to save some cash?

EDIT: omg, hadleys come in gold Pimp

It was mainly my rear Ringle that I had issues with since there are more moving parts in that hub versus the front hub. Way back, I used to have an old school set of Ringle hubs and they were fantastic and the quality was on par with all the other high end hub manufacturers (King and Hadley). It is just now they have out sourced these hubs to China and Hayes has cut some corners in order to keep the price competitive and this has created a less durable hub. I also noticed that there was a lot of drag on my front Ringle hub and my shop could never figure out why it rotated so slowly even though they are very mechanically inclined and have solved any issues I have ever had with my bike. I like matching wheels so I run the same hubs, spokes, rims, and tires front and rear since I like symmetry. The Hadley hub is definitely pretty pimp in Gold and the red and blue are also pretty cool too. The way I look at wheels is that they take most of the impact/abuse of your riding so a good set of wheels is worth the investment.
flag driver-bob
Posted: Nov 15, 2007 at 17:24 Quote
chasefreeride37 wrote:
The bike shop owners Dad would be building them up. He says he takes roughly 3 days to built up the wheelset and takes his time.

Which shop is that? I didn't realise anyone in town had a spoke tensionometer as they are super expensive.

Also watch for your tire choice. 42a Minions will be hard hard going in Windsor. I was running 42a Highrollers and it was like I was riding in mud all the time. Switched to 60a Ignitors and whilst I sacrificed some grip they made riding the bike way easier.
flag chasefreeride37
Posted: Nov 15, 2007 at 17:26 Quote
laurie1 wrote:
chasefreeride37 wrote:
laurie1 wrote:
Mavic's EX823 are their highest end rims. Like you already know, they are essentially Deemax hoops. That being said, the rims are virtually indestructible and will be able to handle anything you can throw at them on both the freeride and the DH scene. As far as hubs go, I would get something better than Ringle, as ever since Hayes bought them, their quality has gone downhill (no pun intended). The hub bodies are absolute crap and they are one of those hubs that require more maintenance than one should do. I had to get mine rebuilt and the pawls went to hell after one wet and muddy race. Therefore, my Ringles got rebuilt at least twice in the season and I didn't even ride that much. I have since switched to CK hubs because I am sporting the Pretty and Strong hubs and headset. If you are shelling out that kind of money on 823's, I would invest in some Hadley hubs too. These are cheaper than Chris King and have the same clicking loudness as the Ringe but are far superior to the Ringle as they have a titanium cassette body which makes them very light and durable.

Well it seems that 823s can easily handle DH and freeride from how you describe it. As for the Hadley, I honestly think they are to loud but if ringles are that low-grade and need that much maintenance, maybe it would be better to just get used to the hadleys.

Was it both your front and rear that blew on your bike or just the rear? Maybe a rear hadley/front abbah ringle to save some cash?

EDIT: omg, hadleys come in gold Pimp

It was mainly my rear Ringle that I had issues with since there are more moving parts in that hub versus the front hub. Way back, I used to have an old school set of Ringle hubs and they were fantastic and the quality was on par with all the other high end hub manufacturers (King and Hadley). It is just now they have out sourced these hubs to China and Hayes has cut some corners in order to keep the price competitive and this has created a less durable hub. I also noticed that there was a lot of drag on my front Ringle hub and my shop could never figure out why it rotated so slowly even though they are very mechanically inclined and have solved any issues I have ever had with my bike. I like matching wheels so I run the same hubs, spokes, rims, and tires front and rear since I like symmetry. The Hadley hub is definitely pretty pimp in Gold and the red and blue are also pretty cool too. The way I look at wheels is that they take most of the impact/abuse of your riding so a good set of wheels is worth the investment.

Thank you very much for all of this info! I will most likely get them built up on gold hadleys now. I was also considering gold Pro II's awhile back but I heard it is impossible to find replacement parts for them if anything breaks since they are a UK based company...

I was wondering what is your input on spokes (champion vs alpine).
flag Hummeroid
Posted: Nov 15, 2007 at 17:27 Quote
yep, i run 823s, and have for a while now. Built onto a Saint hub, with DT 2.0 Champions, NEVER have i rn them out of true, running a 3 cross spoke pattern, and i run em low on pressure at times. CONSIDERABLY lower than tubes, and I NEVER have had a flat. Buy Stans tire sealant for em, and it works mint! I am running Minion front and Nevegal (non tubeless) rear and both hold air great.

I weigh about 180 lbs, and run maybe 25 psi in them for normal rocky colorado stuff
flag driver-bob
Posted: Nov 15, 2007 at 17:32 Quote
Go for Hadley over Pro IIs. I had Hope brakes and getting spares for them is really hard here.

The Hadley hub is really nice, light and reliable.

Far as spokes so, I've always built with champions and have never had a problem with any wheels. Never saw the need for the extra cost of the Alpines.
flag laurie1
Posted: Nov 15, 2007 at 17:36 Quote
chasefreeride37 wrote:
laurie1 wrote:
chasefreeride37 wrote:


Well it seems that 823s can easily handle DH and freeride from how you describe it. As for the Hadley, I honestly think they are to loud but if ringles are that low-grade and need that much maintenance, maybe it would be better to just get used to the hadleys.

Was it both your front and rear that blew on your bike or just the rear? Maybe a rear hadley/front abbah ringle to save some cash?

EDIT: omg, hadleys come in gold Pimp

It was mainly my rear Ringle that I had issues with since there are more moving parts in that hub versus the front hub. Way back, I used to have an old school set of Ringle hubs and they were fantastic and the quality was on par with all the other high end hub manufacturers (King and Hadley). It is just now they have out sourced these hubs to China and Hayes has cut some corners in order to keep the price competitive and this has created a less durable hub. I also noticed that there was a lot of drag on my front Ringle hub and my shop could never figure out why it rotated so slowly even though they are very mechanically inclined and have solved any issues I have ever had with my bike. I like matching wheels so I run the same hubs, spokes, rims, and tires front and rear since I like symmetry. The Hadley hub is definitely pretty pimp in Gold and the red and blue are also pretty cool too. The way I look at wheels is that they take most of the impact/abuse of your riding so a good set of wheels is worth the investment.

Thank you very much for all of this info! I will most likely get them built up on gold hadleys now. I was also considering gold Pro II's awhile back but I heard it is impossible to find replacement parts for them if anything breaks since they are a UK based company...

I was wondering what is your input on spokes (champion vs alpine).

Any spoke that DT Swiss makes is a great spoke. That is one thing they are good at. Well at least that and hubs. I am not a fan of their dent easy rims but I would go for the Competition spokes. There really isn't a need for the alpine spokes. As long as the wheel is built by an expert and you take your wheel to get trued after the first couple of rides, once everything sets in place, there really won't be a difference in the wheel other than the few grams you gain or lose. Since I am a lighter rider, I can get away with Competition spokes but heavy huckers may want to use the Alpine spokes.
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