could some one explain to me why what i understand to be a high forward single pivot(orange 22x) does not pedal well. the pivot is above the chain so surely when the chain is tensioned(pedaling) the swingarm will be pulled down uncompressing the shock; good pedaling performance?
since you guys obviously know a shitload more than i do about this stuff (draco, angrytomato), could you analyze the Corsair suspension setup? namely the one on the maelstrom (can be seen here: www.corsairbikes.com). i've heard it supposedly good, and i'm looking into buying one, could you just hit some advantages and disadvantages of it, cause i don't really have enough knowledge with this stuff to fully understand it's properties of motion very in-depth.
since you guys obviously know a shitload more than i do about this stuff (draco, angrytomato), could you analyze the Corsair suspension setup? namely the one on the maelstrom (can be seen here: www.corsairbikes.com). i've heard it supposedly good, and i'm looking into buying one, could you just hit some advantages and disadvantages of it, cause i don't really have enough knowledge with this stuff to fully understand it's properties of motion very in-depth.
well, the first couple advantages I can think of are the low shock rate (better ride quality, shock tuning is more noticeable, the trade off is a longer, therefore heavier shock/spring), the small linkage pieces (lateral stiffness), the axle path seems to go outward for about the first 2/3 of travel which, as mentioned before, generally means better bump compliance at a slight trade off for pedaling performance. leverage rate starts falling at a little before half way from about 2.7:1 all the way down to 1.2:1 meaning this thing is going to be very hard to bottom out but it may struggle a bit with hard-core rock gardens. there is a bit of chain growth, but its not enough to worry about. the pedal will kickback to about 13.5 deg which isn't bad really.
all in all it's just a very well designed linkage activated single pivot. it will probably be a tad on the heavy side, but if your doing freeride that doesn't involve abnormal amounts of pedaling you'll probably like it. but of course, you should always go demo one if you can before you buy it. ask me if you have any more questions
mtb4life666 wrote:
could some one explain to me why what i understand to be a high forward single pivot(orange 22x) does not pedal well. the pivot is above the chain so surely when the chain is tensioned(pedaling) the swingarm will be pulled down uncompressing the shock; good pedaling performance?
mainly having the pivot higher up will increase chain growth, obviously. i haven't studied it too much but it might have an effect on brake/crank jack as well.
could some one explain to me why what i understand to be a high forward single pivot(orange 22x) does not pedal well. the pivot is above the chain so surely when the chain is tensioned(pedaling) the swingarm will be pulled down uncompressing the shock; good pedaling performance?
Pedaling does not make the shock "firmer". The suspension just yanks the chain from you when it compresses. If the feel was somewhat uniform (smooth singletrack, stuff like that), then you probably wouldn't notice. But if you climb your way through some roots, you'll experience loss of traction every time the suspension drops, because the tension you exert on the chain is absorbed by the changing length between your chainrings and cassette.
Of course, all of this is a lot less technical when you experience it. It's not hell to ride, and you probably won't think to yourself "Man, this uneven chain tension that the high pivot point causes is killing me". It's more of a general feeling that some people find too awkward to adopt, while others won't really be bothered.
could some one explain to me why what i understand to be a high forward single pivot(orange 22x) does not pedal well. the pivot is above the chain so surely when the chain is tensioned(pedaling) the swingarm will be pulled down uncompressing the shock; good pedaling performance?
Pedaling does not make the shock "firmer". The suspension just yanks the chain from you when it compresses. If the feel was somewhat uniform (smooth singletrack, stuff like that), then you probably wouldn't notice. But if you climb your way through some roots, you'll experience loss of traction every time the suspension drops, because the tension you exert on the chain is absorbed by the changing length between your chainrings and cassette.
Of course, all of this is a lot less technical when you experience it. It's not hell to ride, and you probably won't think to yourself "Man, this uneven chain tension that the high pivot point causes is killing me". It's more of a general feeling that some people find too awkward to adopt, while others won't really be bothered.
Cheers man, I think I'm one of those people who aren't really bothered, well i never noticed on my 222.
Please just try to rate as much as you can, I'm sick of all this bs I hear from other people.
dude. the theme of the last like 4 pages is that there is no one design that is best.
thus- to rate them in efficiency and axle path cannot be done.
so:
the worlds best suspension bikes, in order, UNQUESTIONABLE TRUTH:
1. The one you are riding right now. Better than not riding one. 2. The one you want, with all the parts you want on it. 3. The one you can afford to buy. 4. The one that fits you best. 5. The one that is designed specifically for the terrain it will be ridden on, and complies with 1-4.
Please just try to rate as much as you can, I'm sick of all this bs I hear from other people.
dude. the theme of the last like 4 pages is that there is no one design that is best.
thus- to rate them in efficiency and axle path cannot be done.
so:
the worlds best suspension bikes, in order, UNQUESTIONABLE TRUTH:
1. The one you are riding right now. Better than not riding one. 2. The one you want, with all the parts you want on it. 3. The one you can afford to buy. 4. The one that fits you best. 5. The one that is designed specifically for the terrain it will be ridden on, and complies with 1-4.
/end thread. haha.
everyone who wanted you to shout out for their favorite trend's head just exploded.