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Oct 16, 2017 at 7:12
Oct 16, 2017
Not an argument. You are not adding anything to the conversation. I have no idea what your position is other than "retaliatory" somehow excuses/accounts for the horrors that happen but the media won't report on. You have no solid position or you are not willing to stand up for it. This debate is not for everyone. This is unproductive and nothing good will come from this e-discussion.

theminsta paulaston's article
Oct 12, 2017 at 15:40
Oct 12, 2017
Raaw Madonna - Press Release and Interview
As a rider that was/is extremely dissatisfied by every full suspension bike I've tried, with all the top-end shocks, both coil and air (carbon Nomad Gen2, carbon Scott Spark, Yeti SB6c) I have decided that researching graphs would lead me closer to a bike that I can accept. I understand that the graphs are usually inaccurate but for my purpose, I believe it is close enough.
theminsta paulaston's article
Oct 11, 2017 at 13:57
Oct 11, 2017
Raaw Madonna - Press Release and Interview
@bkm303: From what I have seen, the vast majority of frames are either badly designed or the graphs on Linkage Design blog is incorrect. There are only a few shapes/types of FC that would be considered useful/well-designed and many of the frames on that blog have terrible graphs/curves. The terrible FC graph I am talking about is when the FC curve sharply increases from 0 and becomes flat in the midstroke and slightly linear towards the endstroke. And I assumed that the blog generated his/her own FC graphs and had some sort of consistency in what variables were used. That being said, I mainly looked at the gradient/shape of the FC with not much for the actual values as people generally have access to various springs or a shock pump. Thanks for the knowledge so far.
Oct 11, 2017 at 12:37
Oct 11, 2017
theminsta paulaston's article
Oct 11, 2017 at 12:36
Oct 11, 2017
Raaw Madonna - Press Release and Interview
I might be mistaken but from what I've observed, two frames with very similar LR curves occasionally had very different FC graphs. The delta LR didn't seem to consistently provide a higher endstroke force value either (probably because different "shocks" were used between frame reports by Linkage Design. I might have either read it/assumed incorrectly and/or the data/graphs provided by Linkage Design blog was incorrect. And I would argue that force characteristic curves/graphs are much more useful than leverage ratio curves/graphs (given that a perfectly linear base shock is used and normalized for travel, etc.) because it shows how the frame's initial stroke will behave (rough or plush; how much midstroke support; how much bottom out support). Specifically, I'm concerned with how frames will work with high stiction air shocks that already have a high initiation force requirement.
theminsta paulaston's article
Oct 11, 2017 at 6:59
Oct 11, 2017
Raaw Madonna - Press Release and Interview
@faul: Imagine this: A machine completely bottoms a Fox DHX2 shock with force meter. Then, a machine completely bottoms a Frame with the same shock. If you subtract the two (Frame + Shock force characteristics) - (shock force characteristics) you will get frame FC. The frame FC will tell you how much bottom out support you can expect because leverage curve does not give an accurate representation of how it performs/feels/reacts in practice (real life).
theminsta paulaston's article
Oct 11, 2017 at 6:31
Oct 11, 2017
Raaw Madonna - Press Release and Interview
@faul: Frame force characteristic + shock force characteristic are both useful. Frame FC let's us see how well it would work with a coil or air shock. For instance, a frame with a sharp increase of FC at initial travel will feel bad with an air shock and its stiction.
theminsta paulaston's article
Oct 11, 2017 at 6:24
Oct 11, 2017
Raaw Madonna - Press Release and Interview
Needs more graphs... Specifically, the pedal kickback and force characteristics!
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