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Posted: Sep 20, 2010 at 19:50 Quote
If someone is already crazy enough to kill someone, then they would do it whether they were religious or not. The problem is that religions give people groups to belong to, and these different groups often fight. Another problem is that religious groups often force their beliefs on others (this is very prevalent in the US and other countries).

Religions also oppress people. For example, most religions oppress homosexuals and women. While you could argue that today, people don't really act like this and we are for the most part secular, I can assure you that we are not. Especially if you go to the middle east where it is fully legal in most countries to treat women like shiet (because of the huge Islamic influence on the government).

Most people in American prisons are christians:
"Texas Department of Criminal Justice, 1999
Baptist 39,781 30.3%
Unknown* 28,890 22.0%
Catholic 23,637 18.0%
Other 39,009 29.7%

Other= "The rest of the inmates are divided among the categories of Christian Church, Methodist, Church of Christ, Pentecostal, Muslim, Protestant, Jewish, non-denominational, no religious preference and other.""

This at least makes it clear to me that believing in a book does not make you an angel. Especially considering that most people today live by antinomian standards.








It also really helps when you believe that God is forgiving...
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Posted: Sep 21, 2010 at 6:07 Quote
I'd point out that Texas is a very religion happy state. You probably wouldn't get those numbers in northern states. Not saying there wouldn't be any but it'd drop a bit

I think another thing worth noting is that different branches of Christianity are VERY VERY different.. For example I was raised in a Mennonite community which is basically non denominational. They don't care about what other denominations do so there are no rivalry's or anything. But they don't ever intrude on other people. They don't agree with homosexual rights but they would be the last to try and oppress them. Mennonites are also non violent and I know every church says that but these people really are. My point being not all christians are the same. This will sound bad but baptists are typically found in the south and of less education than other denominations.
flag valtra
Posted: Sep 21, 2010 at 19:54 Quote
My highschool just started a humanist group. Not quite related to this thread, but here's the background:

There is a VERY large prayer group that meets every Wednesday at lunch to sing and preach fundamentalist Christian "values" or whatever you like to call them. (you know, the earth is 10000 years old, homosexuality is worse than murder, etc. etc.)

Tomorrow is the first meeting of the "Anti-Hilltop" so to speak, though they can't call themselves that so it's the Humanist group for those who are "atheist, agnostic, or just don't care about religion at all".

Take that Hilltopers
flag AMBikerJJ8
Posted: Sep 21, 2010 at 20:56 Quote
valtra wrote:
My highschool just started a humanist group. Not quite related to this thread, but here's the background:

There is a VERY large prayer group that meets every Wednesday at lunch to sing and preach fundamentalist Christian "values" or whatever you like to call them. (you know, the earth is 10000 years old, homosexuality is worse than murder, etc. etc.)

Tomorrow is the first meeting of the "Anti-Hilltop" so to speak, though they can't call themselves that so it's the Humanist group for those who are "atheist, agnostic, or just don't care about religion at all".

Take that Hilltopers

Hahaha! Owned...
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Posted: Sep 24, 2010 at 12:23 Quote
joram-adams wrote:
Ok just a question, if this big bang did happen and we all know this because scientists claim to have the technology to do this then, well how do we know all this? what is oxygen? it's aparently an invisible gas that is produced by trees. but then who do we know oxygen is oxygen? it could be obalogowog or something.
oxygen is just a made up word like all other chemicals and materials, scientists discovered it and named it oxygen. before that it hadnt been discovered so it wasnt oxygen yet if that makes sense
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Posted: Sep 25, 2010 at 18:43 Quote
I think the better part of Matthew sums up just how much faith you should put into the bible for a moral teaching:

10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.


For those of you who haven't read the book, or know why this is such an apt chapter: most religious people agree that the atrocities in the old testament (pre-Jesus) should be either ignored, or looked at as a sort of "pre-enlightened age". Matthew is the first chapter in the new testament, and directly focuses on Jesus and his sayings. To ignore the teachings of Jesus in Matthew is to ignore the saviour of the christian faith.

I'm not the first to say it, but I feel it should be repeated as oft as possible: the best way to become an atheist is to read the bible. Any bible really, as they're all the same thing (assuming abrahamic origins), just worded a bit differently.
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Posted: Sep 26, 2010 at 22:12 Quote
the-k-man wrote:
joram-adams wrote:
odin333 wrote:
yeah, also 98% of all scientists accept evolution.
Thats because they're scientsts, there job is to find reasons for stuff happening. But some things cannot be explained.

bible says the world is 6000ish yo, we know 100% that it is older disproving the foundation of christianity. so you are wrong it can be explained and it has been explained countless times.
I would love for you to show me where it says exactly how long the earth has been around for in the bible.
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Posted: Sep 26, 2010 at 23:14 Quote
I'd say right about here:

Genesis:

1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
1:7 And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


There are multiple ways to interpret this, here are two: first that the earth was literally created in six days, with the books within the bible being written shortly thereafter about this whole mess (at most five thousand years); second that the earth was created in six thousand years (each "day" was a thousand years - a commonly held belief), making it about ten thousand years old at this point.

You have read the bible, right? You do know this stuff is in there?

Protip: in the first chapter of Genesis plants are created before humans. Second chapter says the opposite. Which one do you figure is true?
flag joexspocent92
Posted: Sep 28, 2010 at 13:23 Quote
CheesyBurrito wrote:
I'd say right about here........

Snippety snip snipped by mod.

+1 tup
flag slyfox
Posted: Sep 28, 2010 at 17:13 Quote
How bout not quoting a whole novel? KTHANX
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Mod
Posted: Sep 29, 2010 at 7:05 Quote
slyfox wrote:
How bout not quoting a whole novel? KTHANX

lol
flag slyfox
Posted: Sep 29, 2010 at 17:02 Quote
I mean that guy wrote so much that it could practically be a novel lol
flag ajsngklsagkjsdag
Posted: Sep 29, 2010 at 17:37 Quote
If you don't want to read it all then dont. To me it was a damn good post.
flag slyfox
Posted: Sep 29, 2010 at 17:40 Quote
ahhhhh! i'm not complaining about how much he wrote, im complaining about people quoting that post, making the page giant.



screw it.
flag almostwise
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Posted: Sep 30, 2010 at 9:20 Quote
You made a good point. I forgot to snip it...will do it now.

I look at the bible as a novel which is why I chuckled. Smile

 


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