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flag bleach
Posted: Jun 28, 2011 at 8:45 Quote
My SC dose flex, but it's hard to notice when riding. (I don't DJ.) I like it, it would be nice if there was a 150mm travel version, for my switch.
flag rffr
Posted: Aug 1, 2011 at 2:08 Quote
Wow suddenly with these new USD forks coming out, everyone thinks they are top shit now. Shame on you. Myself and others have been claiming their ridability and benefits for a long time, but up until now it was a solid fight, with a massive amount of negative nancy trolls. Funny of shit has changed.

Still rockin' my shivers. 8 years old and going strong. I beat the living shit out of them daily, and they probably work better than most new gen forks.
flag rffr
Posted: Aug 1, 2011 at 2:08 Quote
bleach wrote:
My SC dose flex, but it's hard to notice when riding. (I don't DJ.) I like it, it would be nice if there was a 150mm travel version, for my switch.

Get a stainless axle and there will be no more lateral flex. Only thing left is the positive flex =]
flag rffr
Posted: Aug 1, 2011 at 2:11 Quote
Simak wrote:
my risse pimp champ Pimp

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I also had and have inverted forks: Foes F1 1995, Mr. Dirt FAT fork 1997, Wht Bros. DH-3 2001, Bombshell Marlyn (Carbon) 2002?, Wht Bros. DH2 2003.
and my friend's forks: Avy DHS-8.5, Risse Bigfoot, Tech-in T-11, Hanebrink LT-8

Avy, foes, and the white bros DH3's were good, but Champs? Champs suck mate! They are the ONLY good risse forks but they weight a ton. Shivers, avy's, and WB's are better in every way.

But, I will give the champs a little respect though, as the Risse Champs were the 1 and only good fork Risse made. I've ridden them plenty, and known people that have owned Champs near as long as me with my shivers, DH3's or Avy's, and they have never had anything bad to say, other than the fact that chicks dig the guys even more because their arms and legs are massive from pushing up DH runs. So in that turn rock on!

Nice porno paint job btw!
flag mr-eric
Posted: Sep 26, 2011 at 13:55 Quote
hey, just wondering what you guys think about the white brothers groove 200 fork. looks pretty solid but does anyone here have any experience using it?
flag rffr
Posted: Sep 26, 2011 at 19:56 Quote
mr-eric wrote:
hey, just wondering what you guys think about the white brothers groove 200 fork. looks pretty solid but does anyone here have any experience using it?

Absolutely top notch fork. If they actually made them work with my 8in head tube I'd be running them instead of shiv's. I'll be riding avy's soon as they are my only option. The WB inverted forks are better IMO than the new dorados when not considering weight, and not too far behind Avy's.

Great forks, awsome support, great company, great employees. Not one bad thing to say about WB, especially the groove forks. My groove's and DH-3's were effing dope forks. You can beat the snot out of them day in and out and they won't break. Stronger than shivers IMO, and I have had some absolutely gnarly crashes on my shivers.

And to put it this way, Canfield trusted and liked WB enough to have them as their factory team fork sponsor (they might even still have them as the sponsor). Even the regular type forks had massively good reviews on PB a few years back when they were reviewed. Like said, Avalanche first beyond all for suspension, BUT, WB is not far behind.
flag mr-eric
Posted: Sep 26, 2011 at 21:05 Quote
rffr wrote:
mr-eric wrote:
hey, just wondering what you guys think about the white brothers groove 200 fork. looks pretty solid but does anyone here have any experience using it?

Absolutely top notch fork. If they actually made them work with my 8in head tube I'd be running them instead of shiv's. I'll be riding avy's soon as they are my only option. The WB inverted forks are better IMO than the new dorados when not considering weight, and not too far behind Avy's.

Great forks, awsome support, great company, great employees. Not one bad thing to say about WB, especially the groove forks. My groove's and DH-3's were effing dope forks. You can beat the snot out of them day in and out and they won't break. Stronger than shivers IMO, and I have had some absolutely gnarly crashes on my shivers.

And to put it this way, Canfield trusted and liked WB enough to have them as their factory team fork sponsor (they might even still have them as the sponsor). Even the regular type forks had massively good reviews on PB a few years back when they were reviewed. Like said, Avalanche first beyond all for suspension, BUT, WB is not far behind.
so in your opinion would it be worth buying a groove 200 to replace a fox 40? i run a 2008 40 and i really like it but im buying a new frame soon and i wanna get a new fork too. i just dont know if i should play it safe and buy the new 2011 marz 888 or i can be unique and buy the groove. the only reason im considering buying a "differnt" fork is because im just so sick of seeing every single bike up at whistler running a boxxer or a 40. plus the groove looks f*cking beastly
flag rffr
Posted: Sep 26, 2011 at 23:38 Quote
mr-eric wrote:
rffr wrote:
mr-eric wrote:
hey, just wondering what you guys think about the white brothers groove 200 fork. looks pretty solid but does anyone here have any experience using it?

Absolutely top notch fork. If they actually made them work with my 8in head tube I'd be running them instead of shiv's. I'll be riding avy's soon as they are my only option. The WB inverted forks are better IMO than the new dorados when not considering weight, and not too far behind Avy's.

Great forks, awsome support, great company, great employees. Not one bad thing to say about WB, especially the groove forks. My groove's and DH-3's were effing dope forks. You can beat the snot out of them day in and out and they won't break. Stronger than shivers IMO, and I have had some absolutely gnarly crashes on my shivers.

And to put it this way, Canfield trusted and liked WB enough to have them as their factory team fork sponsor (they might even still have them as the sponsor). Even the regular type forks had massively good reviews on PB a few years back when they were reviewed. Like said, Avalanche first beyond all for suspension, BUT, WB is not far behind.
so in your opinion would it be worth buying a groove 200 to replace a fox 40? i run a 2008 40 and i really like it but im buying a new frame soon and i wanna get a new fork too. i just dont know if i should play it safe and buy the new 2011 marz 888 or i can be unique and buy the groove. the only reason im considering buying a "differnt" fork is because im just so sick of seeing every single bike up at whistler running a boxxer or a 40. plus the groove looks f*cking beastly

In all honest man it's about feeling. Ride a buddies bike with some USD forks, or heck, spend 200 and buy some shivers. Literally, they have an entirely different feeling. You will hate or love it. I can't say get them to you, or it's worth it. Try some USD's and find out for yourself. My 888's skipped from bumps, rocks, etc, while my shivers plow over them. You have to adjust your riding style. Both can create better benefits, which IMO is why neither type of fork is worth it. IMO with the weight of the WB forks, and price, you can get some Avalanche DH-7's which weight literally a tad more, and perform many times better. Of course they have 7in of travel just like shivers (well 7.5 for shivers most of the time but it's really 7 properly set up). I literally noticed no diff btw my 8in 888's and my 7.5 shivers set up to 7in travel, travel wise. Nor when I ran groove's or DH-3's. The inch is not noticeable what so ever travel wise.

IMO if your going from light skippy to heavy plow forks it's really worth picking up some shivers (most common). I'd say stratos would be the best bet to give the idea to WB's but they are rare and hard to sell. Shivers you can buy for 200, ride a dozen times, sell for 200. They have, and will hold their value at that price. Just make sure it's the 01-03 shivers as the 04/05 changed their valving.

Like said, for the money, I'd get some Avy DH-7 forks over the groove's, but if you want 8in travel, the groove's are solid. BUT imo Avy's will last longer, function way better, and cost about the same. WB may have better customer service, but you should never need customer service to begin with, with Avy's. Plus Avy's are rider tuned. IE you order your forks, give your weight, height, riding style, he will tune them for you specifically. Something WB won't ever do. So your getting that "black box" or "worx" ordeal with no extra charge. My next forks will be Avy's, regardless of if the new Dorados are lighter. I think it was 7 or 8lbs for the 7in Avy's, and 8-9lbs for the 8in avy's. But that is off topic anyways. WB is solid, and being you are asking about them, I'll comment on them.

Find a pair of DH-3's or Shivers on ebay etc and try them out (1-200$) to see if it's worth change to inverted forks. Remember they are 2 different feelings, 2 different tracking types, and 2 different riding styles. It's a love or hate. I myself can never give my normal forks completely up as I like both and both work good for certain trails or races. If you are keeping your fox forks and not selling them I say go for it. At least you can switch back to the fox forks for certain trails or races. Just remember, unlike Avalanche, WB Groove forks don't hold their retail. You can spend X amount of dollars on them and only get 500 or so back if you don't like them. IE big loss. Avy forks hold much better value. IE bringing in 8-1000$ selling used.
flag mr-eric
Posted: Sep 27, 2011 at 7:34 Quote
rffr wrote:
mr-eric wrote:
rffr wrote:


Absolutely top notch fork. If they actually made them work with my 8in head tube I'd be running them instead of shiv's. I'll be riding avy's soon as they are my only option. The WB inverted forks are better IMO than the new dorados when not considering weight, and not too far behind Avy's.

Great forks, awsome support, great company, great employees. Not one bad thing to say about WB, especially the groove forks. My groove's and DH-3's were effing dope forks. You can beat the snot out of them day in and out and they won't break. Stronger than shivers IMO, and I have had some absolutely gnarly crashes on my shivers.

And to put it this way, Canfield trusted and liked WB enough to have them as their factory team fork sponsor (they might even still have them as the sponsor). Even the regular type forks had massively good reviews on PB a few years back when they were reviewed. Like said, Avalanche first beyond all for suspension, BUT, WB is not far behind.
so in your opinion would it be worth buying a groove 200 to replace a fox 40? i run a 2008 40 and i really like it but im buying a new frame soon and i wanna get a new fork too. i just dont know if i should play it safe and buy the new 2011 marz 888 or i can be unique and buy the groove. the only reason im considering buying a "differnt" fork is because im just so sick of seeing every single bike up at whistler running a boxxer or a 40. plus the groove looks f*cking beastly

In all honest man it's about feeling. Ride a buddies bike with some USD forks, or heck, spend 200 and buy some shivers. Literally, they have an entirely different feeling. You will hate or love it. I can't say get them to you, or it's worth it. Try some USD's and find out for yourself. My 888's skipped from bumps, rocks, etc, while my shivers plow over them. You have to adjust your riding style. Both can create better benefits, which IMO is why neither type of fork is worth it. IMO with the weight of the WB forks, and price, you can get some Avalanche DH-7's which weight literally a tad more, and perform many times better. Of course they have 7in of travel just like shivers (well 7.5 for shivers most of the time but it's really 7 properly set up). I literally noticed no diff btw my 8in 888's and my 7.5 shivers set up to 7in travel, travel wise. Nor when I ran groove's or DH-3's. The inch is not noticeable what so ever travel wise.

IMO if your going from light skippy to heavy plow forks it's really worth picking up some shivers (most common). I'd say stratos would be the best bet to give the idea to WB's but they are rare and hard to sell. Shivers you can buy for 200, ride a dozen times, sell for 200. They have, and will hold their value at that price. Just make sure it's the 01-03 shivers as the 04/05 changed their valving.

Like said, for the money, I'd get some Avy DH-7 forks over the groove's, but if you want 8in travel, the groove's are solid. BUT imo Avy's will last longer, function way better, and cost about the same. WB may have better customer service, but you should never need customer service to begin with, with Avy's. Plus Avy's are rider tuned. IE you order your forks, give your weight, height, riding style, he will tune them for you specifically. Something WB won't ever do. So your getting that "black box" or "worx" ordeal with no extra charge. My next forks will be Avy's, regardless of if the new Dorados are lighter. I think it was 7 or 8lbs for the 7in Avy's, and 8-9lbs for the 8in avy's. But that is off topic anyways. WB is solid, and being you are asking about them, I'll comment on them.

Find a pair of DH-3's or Shivers on ebay etc and try them out (1-200$) to see if it's worth change to inverted forks. Remember they are 2 different feelings, 2 different tracking types, and 2 different riding styles. It's a love or hate. I myself can never give my normal forks completely up as I like both and both work good for certain trails or races. If you are keeping your fox forks and not selling them I say go for it. At least you can switch back to the fox forks for certain trails or races. Just remember, unlike Avalanche, WB Groove forks don't hold their retail. You can spend X amount of dollars on them and only get 500 or so back if you don't like them. IE big loss. Avy forks hold much better value. IE bringing in 8-1000$ selling used.
thanks man this really helps.
flag dutchforce
Posted: Jun 14, 2012 at 14:17 Quote
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So sexy wished they where for sale
flag nation
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Posted: Jan 5, 2013 at 20:02 Quote
I've been running a WB Groove 200 for a few months now. Once broken in, they are fantastic! Everyone says, "you can't bottom this one out," once you get your compression and preload dialed, you really won't. I've had some awefully hard landings and this this takes them in stride. I would definitely advise throwing a little money and getting some high quality stantion guards made, the ones the provide are pointless. Also, before you take this fork into the wild, practice installing and removing the front wheel. The fork is very torsionally stiff, especially considering the fact that it's inverted, but the axle definitely plays a role in that stiffness, and consequently is almost impossible to put in. A set of Lizard Skins fork boots will also work wonders on this thing. Prepare to change your riding style, this is probably the best BIG HIT fork on the market, so to all you Rampage hopefulls, Cheers!
flag c4mtb
Posted: Feb 7, 2013 at 10:43 Quote
what is the consensus on the new dorado pros
flag norland-dynamics
Posted: Feb 24, 2013 at 4:44 Quote
Kowa Makes the most spectacular USD fork I ever tried
203 mm travel
40 mm Kashima coated stanchions
High and low compression adjust
Rebound
Travel stepless adjustable frol 20 to 203 mm (perfect for bike shuttling without scratch stanchions, or to put the bike in the car without remove the fron wheel)
Air spring
Full CNC
And all this goodness in a 3.3 kg package
Some pics.
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Enjoying my DH Bike Prototype in Finland
Thesis Project Prototype
Thesis Project Prototype Visiting Finland
flag Taikuri
Posted: Feb 24, 2013 at 10:37 Quote
Where to buy KOWA forks ?
flag fantaman
Posted: Feb 24, 2013 at 10:51 Quote
Taikuri wrote:
Where to buy KOWA forks ?

Alutech germany sells Kowa

 


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