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24 inch dj vs. bmx

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flag denzelg91
Posted: Sep 11, 2012 at 8:14 Quote
Ok so I'm looking at park bikes and I'd like to bmx but I think I'm just to big I'm a 6'4" 15 yr and still growing. Im into the idea of grinding And ive heard of 24" bikes with pegs. I've tried friends bmx and they feel kinda awkward, not sure if I'm not used to them or I'm too big In general any advice is greatly appreciated.
flag cmc4130
Posted: Sep 11, 2012 at 10:21 Quote
denzelg91 wrote:
Ok so I'm looking at park bikes and I'd like to bmx but I think I'm just to big I'm a 6'4" 15 yr and still growing. Im into the idea of grinding And ive heard of 24" bikes with pegs. I've tried friends bmx and they feel kinda awkward, not sure if I'm not used to them or I'm too big In general any advice is greatly appreciated.

Although there are people who claim that BMX is one size fits all, it really isn't. Tall bmx'ers who ride 20" wheels typically ride XL, XXL frames with big handlebars to make them roomier. This Macneil Deuce Deuce, for example has a 22" inch top tube (rather than the typical 20" or 21"tt), and Jaumell is riding it with large handlebars (WTP Mad Max, which I believe are 8.7" rise).

http://www.macneilbmx.com/blog/2009/08/jaumells-deuce/

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Then, there's the newly released S&M Holmes with 22" wheels:

bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=451009

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Here's a Macneil Deuce Deuce next to a Faction Zeitgeist 22"-wheel bmx.
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There are two types of setups with 24". One is mtb-dj-park 24", which is a frame that is normally designed around a suspension fork--but that you can put a rigid mtb fork on as well. Like Union Street Molly Maguire or NS Capital.

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The other is a 24" BMX, such as a Sunday Model C 24", Wave C 24", Liquid Feedback 24", Specialized P24, 2010/2011 We The People Avenger 24", etc.

I'm riding a Liquid Feedback 24" here with pegs:
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Specialized P24:
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a very cool option: the SUNDAY Wave C 24" bmx:
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Sunday Model C 24" in action:

vimeo.com/19769310

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flag denzelg91
Posted: Sep 11, 2012 at 16:12 Quote
cmc4130 wrote:
denzelg91 wrote:
Ok so I'm looking at park bikes and I'd like to bmx but I think I'm just to big I'm a 6'4" 15 yr and still growing. Im into the idea of grinding And ive heard of 24" bikes with pegs. I've tried friends bmx and they feel kinda awkward, not sure if I'm not used to them or I'm too big In general any advice is greatly appreciated.

Although there are people who claim that BMX is one size fits all, it really isn't. Tall bmx'ers who ride 20" wheels typically ride XL, XXL frames with big handlebars to make them roomier. This Macneil Deuce Deuce, for example has a 22" inch top tube (rather than the typical 20" or 21"tt), and Jaumell is riding it with large handlebars (WTP Mad Max, which I believe are 8.7" rise).

http://www.macneilbmx.com/blog/2009/08/jaumells-deuce/

Unsecure image, only https images allowed: http://www.macneilbmx.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/jam_w_bike-625x415.jpg
Then, there's the newly released S&M Holmes with 22" wheels:

bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=451009

Unsecure image, only https images allowed: http://i825.photobucket.com/albums/zz171/teachbmxcharlie/DSC00155-2.jpg
Here's a Macneil Deuce Deuce next to a Faction Zeitgeist 22"-wheel bmx.
Unsecure image, only https images allowed: http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh138/upsetbmx/Macneil-20---Faction-22.jpg
There are two types of setups with 24". One is mtb-dj-park 24", which is a frame that is normally designed around a suspension fork--but that you can put a rigid mtb fork on as well. Like Union Street Molly Maguire or NS Capital.

photo


The other is a 24" BMX, such as a Sunday Model C 24", Wave C 24", Liquid Feedback 24", Specialized P24, 2010/2011 We The People Avenger 24", etc.

I'm riding a Liquid Feedback 24" here with pegs:
Unsecure image, only https images allowed: http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh138/upsetbmx/cmc-Leander-icepick-grind.jpg
Specialized P24:
Unsecure image, only https images allowed: http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/data/934/2011_specialized_p24_bike.jpg
a very cool option: the SUNDAY Wave C 24" bmx:
Unsecure image, only https images allowed: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tpmGDs6ec_U/TWL36jtszjI/AAAAAAAAAu4/Pj6yCIZYpWg/s1600/Colby-Mockler_Sunday+Wave+C.jpg
Sunday Model C 24" in action:

vimeo.com/19769310

Unsecure image, only https images allowed: http://www.sundaybikes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/JC_invert_MF-500x333.jpghttp://www.sundaybikes.com/2011/01/27/wave-c-frames-coming-very-soon/
thanks for all the examples of bikes for bigger people, I really like the 2013 Sunday Model c am. but would a 24 inch bmx be much more maneuverable than a 24 inch dj?
flag cmc4130
Posted: Sep 12, 2012 at 15:21 Quote
denzelg91 wrote:

thanks for all the examples of bikes for bigger people, I really like the 2013 Sunday Model c am. but would a 24 inch bmx be much more maneuverable than a 24 inch dj?


i would say maneuverability is pretty similar. at least if we're talking about new school 24"-specific mtbmx/street/park frames like the Blackmarket Contraband, NS Capital 24, Union Street Molly Maguire, MUTANT, etc. the bikes definitely ride a little differently, but the tricks and style of jumping you see people do on 24dj vs. 24bmx are pretty similar.

the major difference is obviously being able to run a suspension fork on the mtb.

but if you're going to go rigid, then the next major difference is the head angle. an 24" mtb will typically be 70-72 degrees. a 24 bmx like a Sunday, Liquid, etc. will be 74 or 74.5. in theory, the mellower head angle is more stable for big jumps. in reality though, bmx'ers go plenty big (even with 75 head angle and 20" wheels), so there's not really a difference in terms of what's possible.

next, the mtb is going to have a lower bottom bracket. this also tends to favor stability on big jumps. some people say manuals and bunnyhops are easier with a high bottom bracket, and in some examples this is true... but there's plenty of other examples of people doing awesome manuals and hops with a negative rise (drop) bb.

so, overall, i think what you can "do" is pretty equivalent, even though the bikes will feel a little different. you may also want to pay attention to how much front end room there is.

MUTANT 24"mtb:
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InDust Cuatro 24" bmx (made in Texas!)
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