Then you have completely foolish people like me with 2 hardtails and no full suspension.
Not. Fool.... cool ...
If I could afford to I would not have given up the big wig I built up while waiting for the rootdown. Or a number of the other frames I’ve riffled through in the last few years. Definitely different tools for different applications. Even the Honzo I had befor the wig was spectacular for all day adventures without fatigue. But it was a twitchy bitch when things got deep.
Then you have completely foolish people like me with 2 hardtails and no full suspension.
Not. Fool.... cool ...
If I could afford to I would not have given up the big wig I built up while waiting for the rootdown. Or a number of the other frames I’ve riffled through in the last few years. Definitely different tools for different applications. Even the Honzo I had befor the wig was spectacular for all day adventures without fatigue. But it was a twitchy bitch when things got deep.
Must. Win. Lottery.
Yes, I have an Explosif that has very different characteristics from my Surface. Therefore, it stays. (or slays) It's my Range that I'm considering selling as it's a cobweb collector at this point.
I have the Surface Ti and the Arcturian. I think I should sell one but every time I go for a ride I decide it should be the other bike I sell. Both are super fun. The Surface Ti still blows me away every ride. I probably would love a full suspension but definitely not worth the investment for me without selling one of these. Just means two bikes would be sitting.
That green Surface is dope! Was that a standard color or custom?
Question for the Chromag collective: I’ve been on my ‘16 surface now for about 3 years and love it. I have it dialed in with a 150mm Fox36 up front, carbon wheels, etc and it’s perfect for the majority of my local rides, mostly solo. I feel like I’m pretty squarely in the intermediate category skill-wise and have progressed a ton the past few years. I’ve also had no real issues (and a ton of fun) riding Whistler, Squamish, Galbraith etc. but tend to seek out blues and blacks and avoid double blacks mostly.
Sometimes though, I ride with a few other locals on bigger full-sus bikes, better riders than me as well, so no surprise I’m not keeping up and being in my 40’s now I do get a bit beaten up trying to hang with the group. As a result, and I’m sure partly out of FOMO, I’ve started looking at some mid-travel 29’ers like the Smuggler, Norco Sight, etc. I really can’t imagine myself on anything bigger for my needs and usage.
I know, or at least assume, all modern bikes are amazing and climbing performance has come a long way, descending is great etc. Realistically though, what do I stand to gain by going full-suspension? Or what do I stand to lose as I would likely sell the Chromag and transfer over parts where feasible.
I read this thread (and others) and it does seem like there’s folks out there who get a hardtail/Chromag and their bigger bike hangs to gather dust. Another option I’m considering is slacking out the surface a bit with an angleset, give me just a tad more confidence when the going gets steep..
I’m asking for opinions as I’ve never had a full suspension really. Rigid singlespeed, rigid geared, XC hardtail, Chromag was more or less the progression so far
Thanks guys, appreciate any input!
PS. Sorry for the long post. TL;DR stick with Chromag hardtail or “upgrade” to full suspension and why?
Sounds like you would regret selling the Surface. I've had a couple of FS in the stable, but have always been a hardtail guy at heart. Built up my Surface in 2016 and my FS gathered dust until I sold it recently. If you are FS curious- look for a decent used bike and give it a go, but again- keep the Surface!
SC38 wrote:
Then you have completely foolish people like me with 2 hardtails and no full suspension.
Then you have completely foolish people like me with 2 hardtails and no full suspension.
I've been there. My trails don't "demand" a full-sus and I happily had a regular hardtail and a single speed XC bike. But in the last couple of years I felt like the hardtail was working me on flat landings etc. plus, I do lift access stuff once or twice a year (more this year) and told myself I'd never come back to BC with a hardtail, cause doing lift access stuff here on a Honzo was just unacceptable.
It’s an odd thing... I feel a bit smug keeping up with friends while riding a hardtail and they are on FS bikes. Can’t really put a finger on it but I’m buying into it and love the simplicity of the hardtail. I really think a great hardtail is pretty much all most of us need. I don’t know... I love mine and hope my body doesn’t make me need a FS. Just so fun.
It’s an odd thing... I feel a bit smug keeping up with friends while riding a hardtail and they are on FS bikes. Can’t really put a finger on it but I’m buying into it and love the simplicity of the hardtail. I really think a great hardtail is pretty much all most of us need. I don’t know... I love mine and hope my body doesn’t make me need a FS. Just so fun.
For sure... if I can only have one bike... it would be a HT.... 99% of what I like to ride is easily handled on one...
It sounds cliche but the connection to the trail is much more significant on one.
It’s an odd thing... I feel a bit smug keeping up with friends while riding a hardtail and they are on FS bikes. Can’t really put a finger on it but I’m buying into it and love the simplicity of the hardtail. I really think a great hardtail is pretty much all most of us need. I don’t know... I love mine and hope my body doesn’t make me need a FS. Just so fun.
Nobody needed front suspension either - just ride what yah got & love it. Hardtails are real mountain bikes, they just hurt a bit more.