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flag Surus007
Posted: Apr 17, 2020 at 19:50 Quote
I’m buying a Santa Cruz Hightower aluminum R set up. This bike comes with Yari forks. How are the Yari fork and how do they compare to the fox rhythm 34? I know the rhythm is a OEM fork and can only be bought on bikes from the manufacture and not sold separately. Well a t least that’s what I hear from a guy doing the video for worldwide. I’m very new to fs bikes meaning I have never road one or owned one. A lot of people I’m sure are going to hate on me because I want the aluminum vs the carbon. Carbon is not a option because I would at this point rather pay for better components then a carbon frame. Is it worth going up to the next level that has the lyric forks and the Sram GX drivetrain? The types of trails here is California that I ride are pretty mellow. Flats ups and downs and some smaller jumps (2-3 foot) and features. I do like doing some down hill but because this is my first real quality mtb I have never really had something I can trust in black diamond trails. That may change as I get used to this bike as well as gain more knowledge on how to ride more experience trails. Look I’m 44 years old 6’2 290 so I’m not looking to get too crazy.

What is the difference between the fox 34 performance and the fox 34? Are they better then the fox rhythm?
flag Cstunes
Posted: Apr 18, 2020 at 5:58 Quote
I’ve been on a Yari for three years and find it pretty good all around with a Debonaire shaft. My Yari has been upgrades with a Charger 2.1 damper, effectively making it a Lyrik Ultimate which was easy to do should you decide to upgrade some day. I too went AL build and spent the extra dough on suspension, brakes, wheels and drivetrain to make a bike SC wouldn’t, a high end AL build.

I can’t speak to the Fox line but again, I wouldn’t shy away from a Yari at all knowing I can upgrade it if I want.
flag Loki87
Posted: Apr 18, 2020 at 7:56 Quote
Cstunes wrote:
I’ve been on a Yari for three years and find it pretty good all around with a Debonaire shaft. My Yari has been upgrades with a Charger 2.1 damper, effectively making it a Lyrik Ultimate which was easy to do should you decide to upgrade some day. I too went AL build and spent the extra dough on suspension, brakes, wheels and drivetrain to make a bike SC wouldn’t, a high end AL build.

I can’t speak to the Fox line but again, I wouldn’t shy away from a Yari at all knowing I can upgrade it if I want.

I second this opinion. Went the same route with my bike as i figured i can easily just upgrade the Yari later on if i need to. The Yari imho is a far superior chassis in comparison to the Fox 34.
Funny enough i ended up doing nothing to the Yari so far. It doesn´t even have the upgraded air spring. It´s a pretty capable fork. Yes, if you want all day comfort for regular bikepark riding, get a damper upgrade, BUT for the occasional bikepark day and the usual trail stuff you don´t need more than a Yari. And that´s coming from a guy who rides his downhill bike with a fully custom tuned coil sprung Boxxer A LOT, so i definitely am a bit of a suspension snob.
The Yari isn´t perfect, the options it gives you along with the rather good base performance would make me buy this fork again in a heartbeat though.
There´s so much stuff you can do to that fork it´s amazing and should you find yourself wishing for more performance down the line 200-400$ should buy you a new damper to rival and/or outmatch any high end fork on the market.
flag gspottickles918
Posted: Apr 18, 2020 at 9:00 Quote
Your weight will definitely benefit from a beefier fork. Don’t get a 34!!
flag Surus007
Posted: Apr 18, 2020 at 10:26 Quote
Cstunes wrote:
I’ve been on a Yari for three years and find it pretty good all around with a Debonaire shaft. My Yari has been upgrades with a Charger 2.1 damper, effectively making it a Lyrik Ultimate which was easy to do should you decide to upgrade some day. I too went AL build and spent the extra dough on suspension, brakes, wheels and drivetrain to make a bike SC wouldn’t, a high end AL build.

I can’t speak to the Fox line but again, I wouldn’t shy away from a Yari at all knowing I can upgrade it if I want.

I’m so new to suspension on a bike that I didn’t realize that this fork could be upgraded. Crazy of me not to think it could now that it seems there is a upgrade for everything. Thanks for the response. I’m also glad to see I’m not the only one who would rather spend the money on drivetrain and shocks vs carbon frame. lol
flag Surus007
Posted: Apr 18, 2020 at 10:30 Quote
Loki87 wrote:
Cstunes wrote:
I’ve been on a Yari for three years and find it pretty good all around with a Debonaire shaft. My Yari has been upgrades with a Charger 2.1 damper, effectively making it a Lyrik Ultimate which was easy to do should you decide to upgrade some day. I too went AL build and spent the extra dough on suspension, brakes, wheels and drivetrain to make a bike SC wouldn’t, a high end AL build.

I can’t speak to the Fox line but again, I wouldn’t shy away from a Yari at all knowing I can upgrade it if I want.

I second this opinion. Went the same route with my bike as i figured i can easily just upgrade the Yari later on if i need to. The Yari imho is a far superior chassis in comparison to the Fox 34.
Funny enough i ended up doing nothing to the Yari so far. It doesn´t even have the upgraded air spring. It´s a pretty capable fork. Yes, if you want all day comfort for regular bikepark riding, get a damper upgrade, BUT for the occasional bikepark day and the usual trail stuff you don´t need more than a Yari. And that´s coming from a guy who rides his downhill bike with a fully custom tuned coil sprung Boxxer A LOT, so i definitely am a bit of a suspension snob.
The Yari isn´t perfect, the options it gives you along with the rather good base performance would make me buy this fork again in a heartbeat though.
There´s so much stuff you can do to that fork it´s amazing and should you find yourself wishing for more performance down the line 200-400$ should buy you a new damper to rival and/or outmatch any high end fork on the market.

Thanks for your thoughts on this subject. I didn’t realize there were up grades for this fork. When I went and test rode this SCHT the guy told me to ride up a curb. I said WHAT are you sure I can do that? He said yes go for it. I did and wow was I amazed. I hardly felt it. I mean I new I just went up a curb but I thought for sure I was going to Indo over the bars. Nope it just kept on going. This bike was set up with the Yari fork 150mm travel. Thanks again
flag Surus007
Posted: Apr 18, 2020 at 10:33 Quote
gnarcissistictendency wrote:
Your weight will definitely benefit from a beefier fork. Don’t get a 34!!

So then how does the Yari and the fox differ? Would you suggest a something different than the Yari for the type of riding I plan to do? If so what fork and detailed info on why.
flag gspottickles918
Posted: Apr 18, 2020 at 10:42 Quote
Surus007 wrote:
gnarcissistictendency wrote:
Your weight will definitely benefit from a beefier fork. Don’t get a 34!!

So then how does the Yari and the fox differ? Would you suggest a something different than the Yari for the type of riding I plan to do? If so what fork and detailed info on why.

The diameter of the stanchion on the Fox is 34 vs 35 on the Yari. Yari is built for tougher riding or heavier riders. Fox 34 is for light trail riding. If your riding a 150mm full squish bike you’ll be better off with a heavy duty fork. Hope that helps
flag Loki87
Posted: Apr 18, 2020 at 10:58 Quote
Besides the standard CHarger Damper from ROck Shox, this is another option you have with the Yari
http://www.avalanchedownhillracing.com/Rock%20Shox/Rockshox%20Lyrik.htm

FAST Suspension also offer tuning for it as do many others i can´t remember right now.

And as was said, the 34 is known as a lightweight option for light riders, light riding and/or cheaper bikes.
The Yari shares the chassis with its bigger sister and therefore is great to build upon.
However as you already said, it seems like for now this fork will be more than enough for you for the foreseeable future. Having the option to upgrade it in so many different ways makes it a no brainer in my book.

As for the aluminium frame. I never understood the hype around carbon. When executed perfectly it does offer great benefits. Most bicycle frames do not come close to utilizing it to it´s full potential though. If you can life with the slight weight penalty, the frame would be the last part i´d look to for upgrades (given the frame is a good design of course). The alu frame will perform flawlessly and investing into better components will offer far greater performance gains.
flag Surus007
Posted: Apr 18, 2020 at 11:10 Quote
gnarcissistictendency wrote:
Surus007 wrote:
gnarcissistictendency wrote:
Your weight will definitely benefit from a beefier fork. Don’t get a 34!!

So then how does the Yari and the fox differ? Would you suggest a something different than the Yari for the type of riding I plan to do? If so what fork and detailed info on why.

The diameter of the stanchion on the Fox is 34 vs 35 on the Yari. Yari is built for tougher riding or heavier riders. Fox 34 is for light trail riding. If your riding a 150mm full squish bike you’ll be better off with a heavy duty fork. Hope that helps

Thank you that does help out a lot. Yari it is until I feel or want to upgrade.
flag Surus007
Posted: Apr 18, 2020 at 11:14 Quote
Loki87 wrote:
Besides the standard CHarger Damper from ROck Shox, this is another option you have with the Yari
http://www.avalanchedownhillracing.com/Rock%20Shox/Rockshox%20Lyrik.htm

FAST Suspension also offer tuning for it as do many others i can´t remember right now.

And as was said, the 34 is known as a lightweight option for light riders, light riding and/or cheaper bikes.
The Yari shares the chassis with its bigger sister and therefore is great to build upon.


However as you already said, it seems like for now this fork will be more than enough for you for the foreseeable future. Having the option to upgrade it in so many different ways makes it a no brainer in my book.

As for the aluminium frame. I never understood the hype around carbon. When executed perfectly it does offer great benefits. Most bicycle frames do not come close to utilizing it to it´s full potential though. If you can life with the slight weight penalty, the frame would be the last part i´d look to for upgrades (given the frame is a good design of course). The alu frame will perform flawlessly and investing into better components will offer far greater performance gains.

Thanks for all the help. Yeah they say carbon is stiffer. I’m thinking to myself with the type of riding I do am I really going to notice a difference or need the added stiffness. I think not. I do want it to shift gears when I need it too and absorb bumps as well. Thanks everyone. Anyone out here in California and if so what are your favorite areas to ride?
flag Cstunes
Posted: Apr 19, 2020 at 7:00 Quote
For a rough idea moving forward on current forks by the big players, Lyrik/Yari share the 35mm chassis and compete with Fox 36 on enduro/big trail bikes while the Pike/Revelation share their 35mm chassis and compete with Fox 34 on the trail bike categories. I’m sure Fox has some form of the same as they offer Fit and Grip damper options in their various chassis.

The Yari will serve you well! Enjoy the new ride!!
flag Surus007
Posted: Apr 19, 2020 at 10:50 Quote
Cstunes wrote:
For a rough idea moving forward on current forks by the big players, Lyrik/Yari share the 35mm chassis and compete with Fox 36 on enduro/big trail bikes while the Pike/Revelation share their 35mm chassis and compete with Fox 34 on the trail bike categories. I’m sure Fox has some form of the same as they offer Fit and Grip damper options in their various chassis.

The Yari will serve you well! Enjoy the new ride!!

Thank you. I’m thinking I will stick with the Yari and if need be at some point I can upgrade the internals.
flag Marininmaine
Posted: Apr 19, 2020 at 12:38 Quote
This reply is probably too late, but the Yari and 34 are made for different kinds of riding. Most of Rockshox's forks have 35mm stanchions, so unlike fox, the intended use doesn't change with stanchion diameter. Think of the Yari as the less fancy version of the Lyrik, Rockshox's enduro fork. The Yari is generally meant for longer travel bikes, while the 34 is meant for trail bikes. A better comparison would be Yari vs 36 performance, and Pike vs 34.
flag R-M-R
Posted: Apr 19, 2020 at 13:04 Quote
I'll add another vote for the information above.

I favour the Rhythm damper over the Motion Control, but not by a wide enough margin to make up for the stouter chassis of the Yari. As mentioned above, you can upgrade the spring and damper in the Yari at a later point. If you wait until the damper needs a service and replace it with a new one, it's really not so expensive and you'll essentially have a top of the line fork.
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