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flag road-psyclist
Posted: Jun 9, 2021 at 11:59 Quote
A thread for Pinkbike'r truthers, a.k.a conspiracy theorists to share their knowledge and views on this thread.

Let's start with the COVID-19 theory.

What are your thoughts on this pandemic?

Sheep can join and ridicule me and other truthers and I'm open for debates.

Let's go.

Mace the Amazing (Kinny) featuring King Case - State of the World

by road-psyclist
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flag road-psyclist
Posted: Jun 9, 2021 at 12:28 Quote
Worth asking Matt. You'd be surprised how many truthers exist out there.
flag Matt115lamb
Posted: Jun 9, 2021 at 13:22 Quote
It’ll be worth a laugh if it’s a taker !
flag DoubleCrownAddict
Posted: Jun 15, 2021 at 6:15 Quote
It's revealing that conspiracy theories have essentially become a right wing phenomenon that seem to almost always have 1 of 3 goals involved:

1. Discredit and question mainstream media
2. Discredit and question established science
3. Discredit political opponents

So basically the goal is to manipulate people's opinions and make them stupid. Trump is the biggest conspiracy theory President America has ever had and is largely responsible for mainstreaming the dumbing down of democracy.

The biggest and perhaps most important conspiracy theory is whether Trump was doing it to primarily help Russia and Putin, who are also an established source of conspiracy theories designed to weaken Western democracies by making people question science, the media, and democratic institutions.

Here's a hit list of Trump's completely idiotic conspiracies, some of which are now mainstream thought in some right wing circles:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-conspiracy-theories-2016-5%3famp


During a July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, Trump pressured him to launch an investigation into former vice president Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden, over unsubstantiated allegations of corruption.
Then reports of the call — and the disclosure of a whistleblower complaint filed against the president — spurred Democrats to initiate impeachment proceedings against Trump that could lead to his removal from office.
But this certainly was not the first debunked

Throughout his presidency, on the campaign trail, and even in the years prior, Trump has floated theories fueled by the conspiratorial-minded corners of supermarket tabloids and the darkest corners of the internet.


Here are 24 of the most notable conspiracy theories Trump has entertained over the years.


Questions about Ted Cruz's father's potential ties to President John F. Kennedy's assassin.
ted cruz

On the eve of the Indiana primary in 2016, Trump attempted to undermine former Republican presidential rival Ted Cruz's father's legitimacy by parroting an unverified National Enquirer story.

It claimed Rafael Cruz was photographed in the early 1960s handing out pro-Fidel Castro leaflets with President John F. Kennedy's assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald.

The Cruz campaign denounced the piece as "garbage."

Questions about President Obama's birth certificate.

Donald Trump speaking to reporters after Obama released his long-form birth certificate. Matthew Cavanaugh/Getty Images
While mulling a potential 2012 presidential bid, Trump became the most high-profile figure to promote the rumors suggesting that President Obama was not born in the US.

Trump claimed he'd deployed private investigators who "could not believe what they're finding" about Obama's place of birth.

He also repeatedly clashed with reporters who pushed him on the issue. During one contentious interview, he told ABC's George Stephanopoulos that he'd been "co-opted" by "Obama and his minions" when the anchor tried to push back on Trump's claims.

When Obama eventually released his long-form birth certificate, Trump questioned the document's authenticity.

Trump has since continued to push the conspiracy theory in recent months during his presidency, according to advisors who spoke with The New York Times. One sitting US senator echoed these reports.

"[Trump] has had a hard time letting go of his claim that Mr. Obama was not born in the United States," the senator told The Times.


Questions about a former Bill Clinton aide's suicide.

After Vince Foster, a former aide to President Bill Clinton, was found dead in 1993, various law-enforcement agencies and independent counsels determined he committed suicide.

But Foster's death spawned conspiracy theorists who questioned whether the Clintons themselves were involved in Foster's death.

In an interview with the Washington Post, Trump suggested Foster's death was "very fishy."

"He had intimate knowledge of what was going on," Trump said of Foster's role in the White House. "He knew everything that was going on, and then all of a sudden he committed suicide."

He added: "I don't bring [Foster's death] up because I don't know enough to really discuss it. I will say there are people who continue to bring it up because they think it was absolutely a murder. I don't do that because I don't think it's fair."


Questions about whether Syrian refugees are ISIS terrorists.

Trump has, in part, justified his plan to temporarily bar Muslim immigrants from entering the US by claiming that refugees coming from Syria "could be a Trojan horse."

"It could be one of the greatest coups of all time," Trump told Fox News' Sean Hannity in 2015. "They could be ISIS. It could be a plot. I mean, I don't want to think in terms of conspiracy, but it could be a plot."

But the process for vetting refugees typically lasts 18 to 24 months, and immigration experts maintain it is one of the most difficult ways for terrorists to attempt to enter the US legally.

"It is extremely unlikely that someone who is a terrorist will be sent through the refugee resettlement program," Greg Chen, the director of advocacy at the American Immigration Lawyers Association, told Business Insider.

He added: "It takes a great deal of time, and it wouldn't make sense for someone who is a terrorist for someone to go through that process. There are going to be easier ways for a terrorist to try to infiltrate, rather than going through the refugee resettlement program."


Questions about whether an ISIS-linked terrorist attempted to charge at Trump on stage.

Secret Service agents form a perimeter around Trump after a man attempted to charge the stage at an Ohio rally. reuters
After an attendee at Trump's March 2016 rally in Dayton, Ohio, attempted to charge the stage, Trump claimed a video he retweeted proved the attendee was a terrorist linked to ISIS.

"He was playing Arabic music. He was dragging the flag along the ground, and he had internet chatter with ISIS and about ISIS. So I don't know if he was or not," Trump said. "But all we did was put out what he had on his internet. He's dragging the flag, the American flag, which I respect obviously more than you."

He added: "What do I know about it? All I know is what's on the internet. And I don't like to see a man dragging the American flag along the ground in a mocking fashion."

Multiple news outlets and fact-checkers debunked the video's authenticity. No government agency has said the man was connected to ISIS or other terrorist groups.


Questions about Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia's death.

Law enforcement determined there was no evidence of foul play in Justice Antonin Scalia's sudden death in 2016.

Asked about the circumstances of Scalia's death, Trump said he was unsure about what caused Scalia's death. Trump noted a pillow was found over the justice's face, a claim authorities rebutted.

"I'm hearing it's a big topic," Trump said in a radio interview. "It's a horrible topic but they're saying they found the pillow on his face, which is a pretty unusual place to find a pillow."

He added: "I can't give you an answer. It's just starting to come out now."

Questions about whether childhood vaccines cause autism.

At a Republican presidential debate in 2016, CNN host Jake Tapper asked Trump about his position that vaccines can cause autism.

"We had so many instances, people that work for me, just the other day, 2 years old, a beautiful child, went to have the vaccine and came back and a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic," Trump said.

Shortly after Trump's assertion, former presidential candidate and neurosurgeon Ben Carson corrected the real-estate mogul, pointing out that overwhelming medical evidence suggests that there's no link between autism and vaccines.

A 2013 study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found no connection between vaccines and an increased risk of autism.


Questions about whether Muslims in New Jersey were cheering after 9/11.
Donald Trump. Justin Sullivan/Getty Images
Trump emphatically claimed he saw televised news reports of Muslims cheering in New Jersey after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

"There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey, where you have large Arab populations. They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down," Trump said during an ABC interview.

He added: "I know it might be not politically correct for you to talk about it, but there were people cheering as that building came down — as those buildings came down. And that tells you something. It was well-covered at the time."

However, there is no evidence to suggest there were any American celebrations aired on television following the attacks. Some media reports at the time cited rumors of celebrations in New Jersey. But reports were never substantiated, and there's no evidence these protests were broadcast on national television.

Questions about whether wives of 9/11 hijackers fled to Saudi Arabia before the attacks.

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee repeatedly stated last year that the terrorists who carried out the September 11, 2001, attacks moved their families out of the US to Saudi Arabia several days before the hijacking.

"When you had the World Trade Center go, people were put into planes that were friends, family, girlfriends, and they were put into planes and they were sent back, for the most part, to Saudi Arabia," Trump said. "They knew what was going on. They went home and they wanted to watch their boyfriends on television."

The 9/11 commission report, the most extensive investigation into the events surrounding the attacks, determined that few of the hijackers kept in contact with their families, and none had family members living in the US.

PolitiFact also called the claim false.


Questions about the legitimacy of climate change.

Though many Republican leaders remain skeptical of climate change, Trump has taken his skepticism a step further. In 2012 he suggested that climate change is a "total, and very expensive hoax" perpetuated by China's government.

"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive," Trump tweeted in 2012.

Trump backed off the tweet, telling Fox News that his comment was a "joke." Still, the real-estate mogul has repeatedly maintained that climate change was a hoax, and said climate-change studies are "done for the benefit of China."

According to NASA, 97% of publishing climate scientists believe that human activities such as burning of fossil fuels have caused climate change.


Questions about whether asbestos is a "great con."

In a 1992 interview with New York magazine, Trump suggested the mob's "strong lobby" in New York may be responsible for asbestos.

"One of the great cons is asbestos," Trump said. "There's nothing wrong except the mob has a strong lobby in Albany because they have the dumps and control the truck."

Trump has more recently embraced the reality.

Last year, the real-estate mogul cited how he increased the valuation of one of his properties by millions after embarking on a massive asbestos-removal operation.


Questions about Marco Rubio's presidential eligibility.

Trump has a long history of speculating whether potential presidential rivals are constitutionally eligible to serve.

In February 2016, the former reality-TV star retweeted a supporter who claimed Rubio was ineligible to run because his parents were not natural-born US citizens, a claim that no major constitutional experts support.

When confronted on ABC's "This Week" about whether he believed Rubio was not constitutionally permitted to occupy the presidency, Trump, whose mother was born in Scotland, refused to disavow the tweet.

"I've never looked at it, George," Trump said of the tweet. "I honestly have never looked at it. As somebody said, he's not. And I retweeted it. I have 14 million people between Twitter and Facebook and Instagram, and I retweet things and we start dialogue and it's very interesting."

He added: "I'm not sure. Let people make their own determination."


Questions about Fox News being owned by a Saudi billionaire.

Trump's war with Fox News' Megyn Kelly recently reached a detente.

But during the peak of Trump's rhetorical battle with Kelly, he perpetuated a prominent outlandish theory from one of his Twitter followers.

In January 2016, the real-estate mogul retweeted a photo purportedly showing Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal with Kelly. The photo claimed the prince was a partial Fox News owner, which multiple outlets found was untrue. Alwaleed's investment company owns a small share of 21st Century Fox.

Questions about the legitimacy of the "Access Hollywood" tape.
Trump in the "Access Hollywood" tape. NBC
Toward the tail end of his presidential campaign, the 2005 "Access Hollywood" tape featuring Trump apparently admitting that he likes to grab women "by the p----" received broad coverage, and Trump apologized for his comments shortly afterward.

More recently though, after various allegations of sexual harassment in media and politics have begun to surface, Trump has walked back these comments.

"We don't think that was my voice," Trump reportedly told a senator, according to The New York Tiimes.

The Times' sources did not elaborate on why Trump has begun to doubt the authenticity of the tape's audio.

Claims that Joe Scarborough killed one of his interns.

In a tweet Trump sent in November 2017, he made references to a conspiracy theory that claims MSNBC anchor Joe Scarborough of "Morning Joe" murdered one of his staffers in Florida in 2001.

"So now that Matt Lauer is gone when will the Fake News practitioners at NBC be terminating the contract of Phil Griffin?" the tweet read. "And will they terminate low ratings Joe Scarborough based on the 'unsolved mystery' that took place in Florida years ago? Investigate!"

While Scarborough was serving as a Republican congressman in Florida's 1st district, one of his interns, Lori Klausutis, was found dead in the office. A coroner found no evidence of foul play, and indicated that the death occurred because of a heart problem that caused the intern to fatally hit her head on her desk.

Claims that Obama had wiretapped Trump's phone.
Obama campaigns in support of Northam at a rally with supporters in Richmond, Virginia Thomson Reuters
In March 2017, Trump sent a tweet accusing Obama of wiretapping his phones in Trump Tower.

"Terrible!" Trump wrote, "Just found out that Obama had my 'wires tapped' in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!"

PolitiFact and other outlets have debunked the claim. An Obama spokesman also issued a response to the allegation, saying: "Neither Barack Obama nor any White House official under Obama ever ordered surveillance of any U.S. citizen."

Claims that voter fraud in the 2016 election cost him the popular vote.
People vote at the Evergreen Recreation Center during the 2016 presidential election in the Boyle Heights area of Los Angeles. Thomson Reuters
In a tweet sent shortly after the November 2016 election, Trump wrote: "In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally."

This unsubstantiated claim was repeated by Kris Kobach, the chairman of Trump's panel on voter fraud, in July. The fact-checking site Snopes has debunked the claim entirely, citing "zero evidence."

Retweeting anti-Muslim conspiracy videos.
A screenshot of one of the videos Trump retweeted. @JaydaBF/Twitter
In November 2017, Trump caused diplomatic havoc by retweeting three videos posted by Jayda Fransen of the ultra-nationalist, anti-Muslim organization Britain First that purportedly showed Muslims in Europe committing crimes and destroying Christian icons.

Britain First has frequently targeted mosques and Muslims in the UK in order to brand all Muslims as violent extremists, and Trump's retweet of the videos was widely seen as a tacit endorsement of the group's efforts.

Although the authenticity of the videos has been called into question, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders has maintained this doesn't matter.

"Whether it's a real video, the threat is real," she told reporters.

Claims 3,000 people didn't die in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria and that Democrats inflated the death toll.
Trump tosses paper towels into a crowd at Calvary Chapel in Guaynabo, Puerto Rico. Evan Vucci/AP
In a September 2018 tweet, Trump claimed 3,000 people didn't die in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria and accused Democrats of inflating the death toll to make him "look as bad as possible," rejecting the findings of a government-funded study in the process.

"3000 people did not die in the two hurricanes that hit Puerto Rico," he said. "When I left the Island, AFTER the storm had hit, they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths. As time went by it did not go up by much. Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000…"

He then added: "This was done by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible when I was successfully raising Billions of Dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico. If a person died for any reason, like old age, just add them onto the list. Bad politics. I love Puerto Rico!"

A study commissioned by the Puerto Rico government that was released in August found that 2,975 people died in the wake of the storm.

Trump has been widely criticized for his response to Hurricane Maria, particularly by San Juan Mayor Carmin Yulín Cruz.

In response to Trump's claims on Thursday, Cruz tweeted, "This is what denial following neglect looks like: Mr Pres in the real world people died on your watch. YOUR LACK OF RESPECT IS APPALLING!"

Claims windmills cause cancer.
Flickr/Motorito
In April 2019 Trump railed against wind power and claimed the noise fron windmills causes cancer.

If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75 percent in value," Trump said at a Republican congressional fundraising dinner. "And they say the noise causes cancer."

Iowa's two Republican senators, Chuck Grassley and Joni Ernst, called his remarks "idiotic" and "ridiculous," respectively.

A 2014 report for the National Institutes of Health concluded while wind farms could cause disrupt a person's sleep or induce headaches, its negative impact health doesn't go beyond that.

"The weight of evidence suggests that when sited properly, wind turbines are not related to adverse health," the researchers wrote.

Claims the Clintons killed Jeffrey Epstein.
Bill and Hillary Clinton Justin Sullivan/Getty Images
In August 2019, Trump promoted a baseless conspiracy theory on his Twitter account connecting former President Bill Clinton and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to the death of financier and alleged sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

Trump retweeted a video from conservative comedian Terrence Williams, who claimed without any evidence the Clintons were responsible for killing Epstein. The multimillionaire reportedly killed himself in a Manhattan jail cell in early August.

Law enforcement officials are investigating Epstein's death, but none have suggested so far there was foul play, much less allege political figures were involved.




Claims former vice president Joe Biden was corrupt in his dealings with Ukraine during the Obama administration.
Former Vice President Joe Biden. Ritzau Scanpix/Keld Navntoft via REUTERS
In a July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, Trump repeatedly pushed his foreign counterpart to probe Biden over baseless allegations that he helped oust Ukraine's top prosecutor in the midst of an investigation into an energy company his son held a board position on.

"There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great," Trump said in a rough memo of the call released by the White House.

There isn't any evidence to support that allegation, which has been spread by Trump and his conservative allies. Nothing has come to light that proves Biden tried helping his son in Ukraine. Biden instead had been pressing Ukraine to dismiss a prosecutor who failed to curb corruption in the country in a campaign backed by other world leaders and institutions like the International Monetary Fund.

The investigation into Burisma Holdings, the natural gas company, was dormant around the time Biden started traveling into Ukraine in 2014. And Ukraine's general prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko recently told the BBC he didn't "know any reason to investigate Joe Biden or Hunter Biden according to Ukrainian law."

Claims a cybersecurity company named Crowdstrike framed Russia for election interference.
Trump talks to the media about the whistleblower in the Oval Office of the White House on September 30, 2019. Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
Trump floated the baseless conspiracy theory during the same July phone call with Zelensky.

"I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine. They say CrowdStrike," Trump said in a rough memo of the call released by the White House.

Crowdstrike was the cybersecurity company that the Democratic National Committee contracted to investigate its hacked servers during the 2016 presidential election, and it concluded Russia was behind the attack. The theory, however, maintains that Crowdstrike framed Russia — exonerating it from interfering in the election to aid Trump's victory.

According to NBC News, the thoroughly debunked theory originated on 4chan and has also been spread on far-right blogs and Fox News.

Claims Ukraine may be hiding Hillary Clinton's missing emails.
Hillary Clinton Mike Coppola/Getty Images
Trump recently said he believed that Hillary Clinton's deleted emails could be on a server hidden away in Ukraine.

Asked by a reporter if he believed some of Clinton's deleted emails could be in Ukraine in September, Trump said, "I think they could be."

Then he doubled down on it: "I think one of the great crimes committed is Hillary Clinton deleting 33,000 emails after Congress sends her a subpoena."

This theory is grew out of the unfounded Crowdstrike allegation and its been debunked as well. NBC News reports that Clinton's team sorted her emails into private and work-related batches to turn them over to the State Department in 2014. Then the employee managing the server was ordered to delete the 33,000 personal emails in December, around four months before Congress subpoenaed them.

Weeks after the subpoena was issued, the employee deleted the emails when he realized he hadn't done as he was instructed.

In a 2016 statement, then-FBI Director James Comey said the investigation"found no evidence that any of the additional work-related emails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them." FBI agents later recovered many of them and the agency concluded Clinton was careless in handling her emails.
flag Matt115lamb
Posted: Jun 15, 2021 at 9:28 Quote
I was gunna say that lol
flag DoubleCrownAddict
Posted: Jun 16, 2021 at 17:04 Quote
There is plenty of evidence that Trump was working on behalf of Putin and Russia while he was President. Most everything he did as President is exactly what Putin would have wanted him to do, especially weakening faith in American institutions, media, and spreading doubt about election integrity. This is exactly the recipe for destroying democracy, and Trump played it perfectly. A known intelligence agent actually wrote a book about it recently:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book


"Donald Trump was cultivated as a Russian asset over 40 years and proved so willing to parrot anti-western propaganda that there were celebrations in Moscow, a former KGB spy has told the Guardian.

Yuri Shvets, posted to Washington by the Soviet Union in the 1980s, compares the former US president to “the Cambridge five”, the British spy ring that passed secrets to Moscow during the second world war and early cold war.

Now 67, Shvets is a key source for American Kompromat, a new book by journalist Craig Unger, whose previous works include House of Trump, House of Putin. The book also explores the former president’s relationship with the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.


“This is an example where people were recruited when they were just students and then they rose to important positions; something like that was happening with Trump,” Shvets said by phone on Monday from his home in Virginia.

Shvets, a KGB major, had a cover job as a correspondent in Washington for the Russian news agency Tass during the 1980s. He moved to the US permanently in 1993 and gained American citizenship. He works as a corporate security investigator and was a partner of Alexander Litvinenko, who was assassinated in London in 2006.

Unger describes how Trump first appeared on the Russians’ radar in 1977 when he married his first wife, Ivana Zelnickova, a Czech model. Trump became the target of a spying operation overseen by Czechoslovakia’s intelligence service in cooperation with the KGB.


Three years later Trump opened his first big property development, the Grand Hyatt New York hotel near Grand Central station. Trump bought 200 television sets for the hotel from Semyon Kislin, a Soviet émigré who co-owned Joy-Lud electronics on Fifth Avenue.

According to Shvets, Joy-Lud was controlled by the KGB and Kislin worked as a so-called “spotter agent” who identified Trump, a young businessman on the rise, as a potential asset. Kislin denies that he had a relationship with the KGB.

Then, in 1987, Trump and Ivana visited Moscow and St Petersburg for the first time. Shvets said he was fed KGB talking points and flattered by KGB operatives who floated the idea that he should go into politics.


The ex-major recalled: “For the KGB, it was a charm offensive. They had collected a lot of information on his personality so they knew who he was personally. The feeling was that he was extremely vulnerable intellectually, and psychologically, and he was prone to flattery.

“This is what they exploited. They played the game as if they were immensely impressed by his personality and believed this is the guy who should be the president of the United States one day: it is people like him who could change the world. They fed him these so-called active measures soundbites and it happened. So it was a big achievement for the KGB active measures at the time.”

Soon after he returned to the US, Trump began exploring a run for the Republican nomination for president and even held a campaign rally in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. On 1 September, he took out a full-page advert in the New York Times, Washington Post and Boston Globe headlined: “There’s nothing wrong with America’s Foreign Defense Policy that a little backbone can’t cure.”


The ad offered some highly unorthodox opinions in Ronald Reagan’s cold war America, accusing ally Japan of exploiting the US and expressing scepticism about US participation in Nato. It took the form of an open letter to the American people “on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves”.

The bizarre intervention was cause for astonishment and jubilation in Russia. A few days later Shvets, who had returned home by now, was at the headquarters of the KGB’s first chief directorate in Yasenevo when he received a cable celebrating the ad as a successful “active measure” executed by a new KGB asset.

“It was unprecedented. I am pretty well familiar with KGB active measures starting in the early 70s and 80s, and then afterwards with Russia active measures, and I haven’t heard anything like that or anything similar – until Trump became the president of this country – because it was just silly. It was hard to believe that somebody would publish it under his name and that it will impress real serious people in the west but it did and, finally, this guy became the president.”

Trump’s election win in 2016 was again welcomed by Moscow. Special counsel Robert Mueller did not establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. But the Moscow Project, an initiative of the Center for American Progress Action Fund, found the Trump campaign and transition team had at least 272 known contacts and at least 38 known meetings with Russia-linked operatives.

Shvets, who has carried out his own investigation, said: “For me, the Mueller report was a big disappointment because people expected that it will be a thorough investigation of all ties between Trump and Moscow, when in fact what we got was an investigation of just crime-related issues. There were no counterintelligence aspects of the relationship between Trump and Moscow.”

He added: “This is what basically we decided to correct. So I did my investigation and then got together with Craig. So we believe that his book will pick up where Mueller left off.”


Unger, the author of seven books and a former contributing editor for Vanity Fair magazine, said of Trump: “He was an asset. It was not this grand, ingenious plan that we’re going to develop this guy and 40 years later he’ll be president. At the time it started, which was around 1980, the Russians were trying to recruit like crazy and going after dozens and dozens of people.”

“Trump was the perfect target in a lot of ways: his vanity, narcissism made him a natural target to recruit. He was cultivated over a 40-year period, right up through his election.”"
flag DoubleCrownAddict
Posted: Jun 16, 2021 at 17:08 Quote
There is actually an Intelligence Community report that gives even more evidence of Trump being a Russian agent, and provides more details on how Trump used his influence to weaken democracy:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/trump-russian-asset-election-intelligence-community-report.amp



Donald Trump was a tool in a long-running Russian campaign to weaken the United States. That’s been documented in Republican-led investigative reports, and now it has been updated with new evidence, thanks to the U.S. Intelligence Community’s assessment of the 2020 election. The report, drafted by the CIA, the FBI, and several other agencies, was released in unclassified form on Tuesday, but it was presented in classified form on Jan. 7. In other words, it was compiled, written, and edited during Trump’s administration. It destroys his lies about the election, and it exposes him as a Russian asset.

The report debunks conspiracy theories, promoted by Trump and his lawyers, that hackers in other countries robbed him of victory. “We have no indications that any foreign actor attempted to interfere in the 2020 US elections by altering any technical aspect of the voting process,” including “ballot casting, vote tabulation, or reporting results,” says the document. A separate analysis released by the Department of Justice reaches the same conclusion. The IC report adds that evidence of such operations, if they existed, would have shown up in U.S. surveillance or in “post-election audits of electronic results and paper backups.” The report implicitly mocks insinuations from Trump’s lawyers that former Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez, who died in 2013, somehow rigged Trump’s defeat. “We have no information,” it notes drily, that “current or former Venezuelan regimes were involved in attempts to compromise US election infrastructure.”


During the campaign, Trump, his national security appointees, and his allies in Congress insisted that China was meddling in the election to help Joe Biden. They even claimed that China’s interference was more dangerous than Russia’s. The report shreds that fiction. China “did not deploy influence efforts intended to change the outcome of the US Presidential election,” says the assessment. It finds no attempt by China to “provide funding to any candidates or parties,” and it challenges the Republican spin that China feared Trump because he was too tough. It argues, to the contrary, that Beijing saw Trump as a weaker adversary because he “would alienate US partners,” whereas Biden “would pose a greater challenge over the long run because he would be more successful in mobilizing a global alliance against China.”

As to Russia, the report leaves no doubt: In 2020, as in 2016, “President Putin authorized, and a range of Russian government organizations conducted, influence operations” to help Trump and hurt his Democratic opponent. For example, “Shortly after the 2018 midterm elections, Russian intelligence cyber actors attempted to hack organizations primarily affiliated with the Democratic Party.” Then, in late 2019, Russia’s military intelligence service, the GRU, “conducted a phishing campaign against subsidiaries of Burisma holdings, likely in an attempt to gather information related to President Biden’s family.” Throughout the 2020 election, agents “connected to the Russian Federal Security Service,” FSB, planted negative stories about Biden. Internet operatives working for the Kremlin, including the troll farm that had boosted Trump in 2016, continued to promote “Trump and his commentary, including repeating his political messaging.”


Attacks on Biden and his son, Hunter, were part of this operation. Through “US officials and prominent US individuals, some of whom were close to former President Trump and his administration,” the report says Russia’s intelligence services “repeatedly spread unsubstantiated or misleading claims about President Biden and his family’s alleged wrongdoing related to Ukraine.” In this way, Trump’s circle “laundered” the Russian-planted stories, which were then recirculated—and promoted by Russia’s online proxies—as American news.

One section of the report zeroes in on two Russian agents, Andriy Derkach and Konstantin Kilimnik, along with their associates. It says they met with and passed materials to people linked to the Trump administration to advocate for government investigations. Derkach peddled audio recordings that were edited to make Biden look corrupt, and he “worked to initiate legal proceedings in Ukraine and the US related to these allegations.” The report doesn’t name the Americans who collaborated with the Russian agents, but it’s easy to identify them from news reports. Trump’s lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, met with Derkach twice. Donald Trump Jr. promoted Derkach’s tapes. Trump’s 2016 campaign manager, Paul Manafort, gave Kilimnik inside information on the campaign. Trump, in a 2019 phone call, pressed Ukraine’s president to open an investigation of Biden, as Derkach proposed. And congressional Republicans, led by Reps. Jim Jordan and Devin Nunes, parroted a Russian-planted narrative “to falsely blame Ukraine for interfering in the 2016 US presidential election.”

Trump also helped Putin discredit American democracy. That was a major goal of Russia’s 2016 and 2020 operations, the report explains: “Throughout the election, Russia’s online influence actors sought to amplify mistrust in the electoral process by denigrating mail-in ballots, highlighting alleged irregularities, and accusing the Democratic Party of voter fraud.” Trump peddled the same fears. After the election, as “Russian online influence actors continued to promote narratives questioning the election results,” Trump duplicated that message. Russia’s agents also hyped “allegations of social media censorship,” as Trump did.

The IC assessment doesn’t address what Trump knew about the Russian influence campaign. But according to former officials who spoke last fall to the Washington Post and the New York Times, he was directly warned. In a December 2019 conversation, then–national security adviser Robert O’Brien told Trump that Giuliani had been “worked by Russian assets in Ukraine.” Trump shrugged and went on promoting the allegations Giuliani was feeding him. That makes Trump more than a Russian asset. It makes him, in technical terms, an agent of a foreign power.
flag p-m-z
Posted: Jun 16, 2021 at 17:09 Quote
Literally no one reads all that junk that you copy and paste from the internet.
flag DoubleCrownAddict
Posted: Jun 16, 2021 at 22:55 Quote
p-m-z wrote:
Literally no one reads all that junk that you copy and paste from the internet.

Translation: I read everything you posted looking for something to be critical of, but I came up completely short as always so now I'll just pretend I didn't read it and make a weak insult since I believe in most of these dumb conspiracies and I got nothin convincing to back them up with.
flag Matt115lamb
Posted: Jun 17, 2021 at 0:13 Quote
p-m-z wrote:
Literally no one reads all that junk that you copy and paste from the internet.
Its copied and pasted from credible sources not wako sites that kinny uses !
flag Matt115lamb
Posted: Jun 17, 2021 at 0:17 Quote
We might be blessed with a David Icke meme soon lol
flag p-m-z
Posted: Jun 17, 2021 at 0:35 Quote
Matt115lamb wrote:
p-m-z wrote:
Literally no one reads all that junk that you copy and paste from the internet.
Its copied and pasted from credible sources not wako sites that kinny uses !

lol lol Oh yes the same sites that have been proven to be spreading false info about the Whu Flu?
flag Matt115lamb
Posted: Jun 17, 2021 at 0:44 Quote
Where’s the proof of The Guardian online has spread false info on the “””whu flu””” ?
Did you watch Fox News lording Putin yesterday , wtf is wrong with them ?
flag road-psyclist
Posted: Jun 17, 2021 at 3:56 Quote
DCA, if you believe actual terrorists flew those planes into the twin towers, please watch this - https://www.facebook.com/claudio.marty.911/videos/255515916368577. It's only 5 minutes long.

(Ex) Captain Dan Hanley and other commercial pilots have stated that it was impossible for inexperienced Arabic terrorists (who failed to fly a Cessna propellered plane) couldn't have flown those jets into the towers.

You and other Americans...well...the world have been lied to about 9/11 and it would be good for you to check out Captain Dan Hanley's research and testimonies regarding the planes used in 9/11.

The flight path of the plane which hit the Pentagon was even more ludicrous and not even a professional pilot could have flown the flight path into the pentagon.

If you visit here, you'll see many pilots agree with Captain Dan Hanley that it was impossible for Arabic hijackers to fly the flight paths into the towers and that the planes were flying over 500 knots, to the point they would have fell apart -https://911pilots.org/.

I just don't like to see the un-awakened being lied to about 9/11, and other things.

Since I researched 9/11 in 2014, I've learned more about false flag attacks and other things. It's scary, but once you're awake, it's hard to go back to sleep.

This is a good read too - Fake terror plots, paid informants: the tactics of FBI 'entrapment' questioned - By the Guardian, seeing as Matt needs credible sources to believe what I'm saying. Smile
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